I believe we can. By encouraging the national dialogue to focus on costs rather than battles. Costs that drive the deficit everyone hollers about already and for quite awhile. Costs that have outstripped the VA in it’s ability to respond to the shell-shocked and wounded. Costs that have piled up in our monetary focus on overseas wars rather than the national infrastructure that fails everytime we turn around.
By telling our own stories, of relatives and friends and neighbors who are there, returning and trying to recover in this uncertain economic landscape. Or those all here, who fight the culture wars at home. By telling our stories of local job-providing businesses, neighbors and friends lost to budget cuts, overseas labor, depression due to failing economies, both local and national. By telling our stories of just how many jobs that local industry keeps local by making bombs or fighter jets, humvee parts or that of other MIC contracts. I’d be willing to bet there’s not that many in actuality though I am assured they exist in every state. Prove me wrong!
Especially now in the weeks after the killing of Osama bin Laden, people all over are questioning at last why we’re out there fighting at all. We all know the answers why we should be home dealing with what we need to do here. This week the Mississippi basin is flooded. Looks like the crest has passed Memphis and Louisiana, Mississippi are doing everything to hold it back. What worked? People filling sandbags, volunteering in their neighborhoods, building levees higher still. But so far the levees have held back high water not seen since ’37 or ’27. This should give people confidence there is nothing we can’t do as the waters recede and the damage surveyed. It’ll look like a warzone and take years to recover from too.
But the idea is already dawning on people. Why on earth is Washington or the State House, or the Governor talking about budget cuts? We need to cut defense and end the big industry giveaways and take care of our own here at home.



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“Especially now in the weeks after the killing of Osama bin Laden, people all over are questioning at last why we’re out there fighting at all.”
What a morally weak argument! “hey, now that we shot a guy in the head without a trial, maybe something good will come of it?”
We on the left are no more relevant to what happens in this country than women are to the politics of Saudi Arabia. Consider the way Obama treats the left.
NO! is the answer to the title of your post.
thanx Larue!
vector56, I hear you and wish I could offer you a moral argument that would end these wars and make everybody happy. One that got people to think again about ending all the wars – one that was most effective and morally unblemished – yes, a lot more effective than killing that one guy has been. But I think all those moral arguments were tried and they hadn’t got us as far to ending it.
I know it’s not up to me to cast judgement on what motivates a people be it greed or fear or anything else. All I know is that I can’t and don’t have to do any of it by myself. So I’ll keep plugging away, finding people to help in pushing for an end to the war madness and try to find ways to help and grow past all the hurt.
We are relevant and moreso all the time. The women in Saudi Arabia are very relevant to the struggle in Saudi Arabia as are the women and men in Egypt and Syria, Libya, Tunisia. They’re targets too, we can’t forget. But we all are if only eventually. It’s what we do between now and then that matters.
Action Toolkit: Bring Our War $$ Home
With a tender heart and a tough mind we’ll end all this worthless killing.
With pen and pictures because people don’t internalize numbers.
I did over 200 protests starting when the wars began.
Two nights stand out as we stood in the town center in major republican stronghold. The one night I flew an 3′ X 5′ American flag upside down, a signal of distress, that drew out a lot of comments and chance for discussion.
The one that provoked the strongest response was a 3′ X 4′ color poster of war crimes in Abu Grahb. People shielded their children’s eyes from our war atrocities.They begged me to go away.
The pictures are out there on the web and it’s our responsibility to get them out into the public anywhere your representative is meeting with the public.
Democrats Increasingly Scared Of Angering Deep Pockets, Survey Says
WASHINGTON — Democratic congressional staffers are increasingly wary of alienating corporate lobbyists for fear of inciting a massive advertising blitz against their bosses, according to an informal survey by the consumer watchdog group Public Citizen.
Almost 60 percent of the Democratic staffers responding to the survey said that the influence of lobbyists in the policymaking process has been strengthened by the 2010 “Citizens United” Supreme Court decision, which unleashed corporations to spend unlimited amounts of money on political advertising — in some cases, anonymously.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/11/democrats-congress-citizens-united-public-citizen_n_860584.html
The wars will end when the corporations and their minions are ready and not one day sooner.
Rec’d.
I’d also like to point out that if we are going to frame ending the wars in fiscal terms that legitimizes the deficit peacocks and all their BS. Reinforces their frame.
Just saying. Still worth it though probably. It’s like jujitsu – we can’t change their BS or what people will believe, but we can use it against them.
Nah, the lobbyists are scared they’ll lose their swagger before they get to really use it. Nice try though. ‘Informal survey’ of 70 staffers? Please.
thx! and you’re right one_outer. Use elements from their playbook, get their attention with notes from their own whistle, and when you have them collared, rub their nose in their own mess. Rinse, Repeat. ;-)
duly noted mzchief!
agreed, and thanks for sharing your story. For many years here in Kansas, everybody tried to ignore the infamous Westboro Baptist Church. ‘Don’t give the Phelps any attention no matter how heinous they act.’ So they got more extreme of course. The funeral protests, the incendiary slogans etc. harder and harder to ignore. What finally worked and got them to not stage their attention schemes so often in the immediate region? Christian bikers who would come to protests and sit on the other side of the street and rev their engines. Nobody could hear a damn thing what their hate-speech anymore. So people went back to their business.
kspopulist:
I great post; and like you I think using mass murder (war) as a means of problem solving is insane! But much more is going on here than the cold blooded murder of an old man without a trial. As we speak they are trying to kill Gaddafi; so far they have killed his son and grand children. I am sure Hugo Chavez has his name on a Navel Seal bullet. The day after Obama had Osama shot, 8 people where killed by drone execution. so far Obama has killed 900 plus people by drone and none have had their day in court and never will.
With all due respect, there seems to be a theme being perpetuated here that isn’t supported by evidence. Namely that politicians care very much about the “national dialog.”
There are marginal issues where politicians make noise and movement to placate public opinion (DADT), but on deep institutional issues they’ve signaled clearly that they don’t care at all what the public thinks (TARP).
Agreed, TARP is where the mask fell of the facade.
That being said, it’s worth a try. However, I wouldn’t expect it to work. I’d expect to get asked why we hate America and love scary mooslims.
I’m to the point where I think short of making a significant, and sustained, dent in corporate revenues and/or shutting down big parts of the system through civil disobedience nothing we do or say can make a difference. The corporate state is just too powerful and I suspect we’re well passed the tipping point where corporate power has created powerful feedback loops that doom any effort short of destructive ones (like general strikes and civil disobedience and the like).
Today we are/were supposed to hear from the Pentagon about the troop drawdown in July, which was whispered to a reporter as 5,000, and another 5,000 at the end of the year.
I’ve been cruising the web, but haven’t seen aything yet. Pretty cynical number, if true, and wwe always need to ask now many contract killers will replace them.
yes, of course, I can’t claim any special insight to national consciousness. I’m not David Brooks lol. But the econ collapse is not the war on terror and vice versa. Not in size, scope or scale in what they effect. For example, TARP was initiated and passed into law by one administration/Congress and carried out with the 2nd half by the following Admin/Congress. An argument could also be made that the new Congress (as was the whole country) was so frightened by what might happen if they couldn’t repair the markets the admin/Congress was willing to do anything to stop the bleeding. Thus the need for speed, and the ‘no time for dialog’ we heard then. Despite the Arab Spring, and partly because of it, I think it’s clear the war on terror was not in the same place in narrative or ‘on the ground’.
If the suggestion is that the current torrent of military strikes is carried out in effect as an executive ‘cramdown’ like they called TARP, I’d agree. The strikes, the drones recently do seem to be carried out without specific congressional approval or oversight.
This should make everybody pause wrt executive fiat. My hunch and it is only that, is that Obama wants the wars over and this is how he pushes to that end. A cynical way of ‘spending capital to make more capital’.
I know a lot of people feel they are disenfranchised from their vote. That it has little if any effect. But taking a cue from Howard Zinn, if the people keep telling their stories and talking and talking, soldiers, civilians, families, and just as important all the stories of those in central Asia, if all these get heard and fanned and spread – we can make any gov’s actions look pretty small indeed. We do it all the time. We listen to our friends, neighbors. Not so much the press conferences or official speeches. ;-)
I heard those numbers on NPR today wendy, too. Totally lame.
So, what the hell are 100,000 troops doing in Afghanistan?
I just read that the state in Bahrain, the home of our fifth fleet is more uncertain than ever. Held back by imported Saudi troops the people are wondering how long that will last. Is our Pentagon looking for new home in the region? Even the WashingtonPost thinks that might be wise: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/applying-pressure-on-bahrain/2011/05/09/AF3sV6bG_story.html
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Oh, I think progressives will crank up the anti-war activism… just as soon as a Republican becomes President. And that is how the general public will view it… as entirely hollow.
The question that hasn’t been answered is how to get out. My suggestion is insist as a condition for US withdrawal, temporary autonomy for the area around Kabul. When the USSR left warlords fighting actually drastically increased the killing and dieing. Afghan President Karzai had asked the Saudi’s to mediate toward a peace agreement with the Taliban, but the Saudi’s said only if the Taliban first renounce al Qaeda. Congress could say no more funds until a drone cease-fire is tried or troops return to base or stop forward efforts unless an American is killed.
The fact that bin Laden didn’t resist while all his followers are expected to put up a ferocious fight was a blow to al Qaeda’s self-image, but a July 1, funding cut off date gives them time to try to restore their pride. They already threatened bin Laden’s grandmother. Kucinich proposed establishing a Department of Peace. Congress needs to establishment a fact-finding group to explore ways to withdraw without disturbing scenes like the one in Vietnam of the Embassy being vacated by helicopter.
Dennis Kucinich called for a Department of Peace. Congress must establish some kind of group to explore how to get the US out of Afghanistan with as few problems as possible. Remember the Vietnam pictures of the embassy being vacated by helicopter.
I would complain about the title, and shallow analysis of this post but so far it got voted a recommended article. The peace articles I thought were really good didn’t get voted a top article,
http://my.firedoglake.com/richardkanepa/2011/05/09/peace-movement-get-over-it-peace-is-still-possible
“I would complain about the title, and shallow analysis of this post but so far it got voted a recommended article. The peace articles I thought were really good didn’t get voted a top article,”
I agree, and sometimes timing’s a factor though I wasn’t thinking about that at the time.
I started out planning I would make a bunch of diaries with ‘Can We’ somehow in the title addressing a list of things, but only got a couple done so far.
The title is a bit of a goad ain’t it?
Your ideas are great and sober, Richard Kane!
I got a lot out of your piece and wish I could read everybody’s as more and more I value everybody’s work, effort and knowledge here.
It’s amazing to me.
Richard Kane:
something I’ve noticed is that the faster articles are posted, the higher the number per unit of time, the faster they go through the ‘MyFDL recommended diaries’ list. Which means less time there and less time to be noticed and then read and recommended by readers.
Slower news days [??] or just fewer articles being posted, means they stay longer on the MyFDL list and so potentially can be read and rec’d by more people. This is observation alone.
The chief editor may have a high tech algorithm that picks them based on pineapple futures or how many rainbows and lollipops Obama promised for us that day, for all I know. But I doubt it ;-)