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I wake up this morning, get my coffee and the FIRST thing I see from one of my fav sites is an article about Occupy, anarchists, and May Day Eve mayhem in San Francisco’s Mission District.
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Hmmm, police cars in front and in back of the 30 so who DID the violence? As one witness says, ‘escorting them’? Paid agents perhaps, in full view? We won’t know because Occupy has not divested themselves of these fuckwads!
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Phreaking appalling!!!!
The Mission is NOT 1%, it’s NOT corporate based it’s full of family and independent business owners and people struggling with the fascist corporations who dominate their lives and efforts to run their own small businesses . . . you know, insurance companies, the companies who own their vendors (and the high prices they pay for the products they need to DO businesss).
What was done last night is unacceptable, intolerable and is the kind of thing that’s going to KILL occupy.
Occupy MUST divest itself, publicly, and enforce that divestment, from the anarchists and violence acting members who use Occupy as a shield to hide behind.
Then, and ONLY then, can Occupy and all the world know that any acts of violence are random, not Occupy sanctioned and likely in many cases the part of paid 1% agents provocateurs.
I have NOT caught up with May Day/Occupy across the country yet, but I sure as shit hope like hell there’s better news out there than what came from SF’s Mission District last night.
Occupy, it’s time to step forward and POLICE yourselves and make a statement and make a stand! You are LOSING me and too many of the 99%.
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It’s bad, but statements similar to this throughout the piece make me wonder who was doing the damage: ‘anarchists’ or police hires or agents provacateurs of any stripe:
“Even as they defended themselves from criticism that they had allowed the vandals to run wild – one restaurant owner said officers even appeared to be “escorting” the group – high-level police officials met to find a better way to handle out-of-control crowds.”
Harmful as hell to the democracy movement.
If Occupy organized around DIVESTING themselves from the anarchists then the perps would be outed easily.
N that’s a story that would gain traction.
At this point, Occupy is failing miserably on this ONE single point that the MSM and the PTB are flailing on them, beating Occupy to death in the minds of every person who reads, hears and see’s the anarchy and violence and equates it with Occupy.
Oh, and lose the masks . . . that’s a ruse that only hides the paid informants and agitators, and the personally loon and violent agitators (skinheads, KKK, White Supremicists) and gives the MSM and the PTB yet another reason to stir discomfort against Occupy and its supporters.
I’m tellin all of yas, the PTB are ready and in action to shut this movement down in every way possible.
Having a bit (a small amount over a couple of years) of understanding, experience and participation in anti war efforts in the late 60′s/early 70′s, and being just a BIT read and knowledgeable about labor struggles in our country’s past, I see the same old tricks being used by the PTB, over and over again.
Who will learn from history and NOT fall for this crap?
Hey, Laruuuuuuuue!
Just goes to show ya that we never know…
Don’t forget, even the captain lied.
Here’s a Real Fine version of Everybody Knows.
PS
You’re known at our house as Larue, you know the one who lives up by Mary outside of Sacramento, oh, yeah it’s Rancho Cordovasomething, who sent us the Cohehn stuff?…and he says yeah. Just saying, that member since blah de day is still shorter than what we call you.
Hugs and good eatin’ too, buddy.
Rawk On.
A post from someone who was in SF last night. There’s a huge amount of misinformation out there right now, but I believe that Occupy SF and Occupy Oakland are both saying they are not responsible. And although there is a lot of anger out there about gentrification in the Mission, many of these targets still don’t make a lot of sense.
Stay tuned . . . mr hotflashcarol and I are on our way back down to the plaza right now, where the welcome wagon is apparently waiting for us.
Ah, geez, hfcarol. That welcome wagon has Nothing else better to do?
Thank you for going back.
Dude!
We won’t know because Occupy has not divested themselves of these fuckwads!
Ya know Larue….even if they divested, we still would not know. And I think the masks are great.
Where were you today? Sitting in front of the screen? or out with the people?
Personally, I think the American way of protesting through avant garde puppetry leaves a lot to be desired. We need to storm the fucking barricades. Show me ANY lasting change that has been affected by puppetry and proper english manners.
I sent you the Cohen I have? Australia?
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I’m a better human than I realize . . . lol
Yeah, eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we diet.
Love ya like a proggy, best to you and all yers.
I’m doin pics tomorrow of the stuff my and my honey have got in the ground since March . . . we had to redo stuff as rains and snails and wind and cold snuffed some stuff we had buried.
But now, even the starter boxes are sprouting and stuffs coming alive!
I’ll post a diary with pics in a few days . . . no biggie, just our lil cave dwelling anarchist planting efforts to grow stuff we eat and flowers for the property management so they overlook the space we’ve encroached upon with food things. ;-)
Did I say best to ya and yers? Ok. *smooches*
Carol, I’m pretty hip to my media people that I read, be they MSM or not.
However, the issues I’m confronting here are on going and long term with Occupy.
They just can’t continue to say, we didn’t do that.
They MUST come out with a definitive statement about non violence, and then, they must ENFORCE and dedicate forces to PREVENT violence by agents or loons and wanna be playahs.
And yes, I’m talking about Occupy people jumping agents and subduing them in any way as necessary, and sitting on them till cops come.
All documented with video that’s already been sent somewhere to stash if the cops take the flip phones or cameras that capture the abuse and Occupy’s suppression of it.
These tactics were standard actions for labor unions (sans the technology) for decades going back to the 1890′s.
ID the agents, corral the loons, and do NOT let them and their actions drive the MSM and police response.
If Occupy does not get real hip fast to dealing HARSHLY with violence, then they are doomed.
N so are we all.
Heh, typical agent rhetoric or just grossly dumb and stupid and young posturing.
I did my time, now you do yours and shut the fuck up about MY past and MY present.
I’m in the game to share my thoughts, experiences.
When it all comes apart, we’ll all be in the streets, regardless of our age of anything else.
You don’t know me. *narrowseyes*
Angry much?
Do you post here for an echo chamber? or for discussion? Why are people on these intertoobs so quick to read hostility in every different opinion? Why do we bother to converse at all?
You? Tell me, what are YOUR bonifides and where in the streets these days are ya, and what are you doing.
1) To further a proggy cause.
2) Not to bust down doors like an idjit.
Just curious. (not much, really, yer a shill, I can tell by yer rhetoric).
Buh, By.
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Yer isolated on an island off of WA state, there are NO folks out there that are NOT filthy rich. NO ONE!
So yer trolling concerns kinda FAIL with that kind of background, even if yer NOT a paid troll for the 1%.
Gimme a fucking break.
1. I am a permaculturist that also works for a community land trust. I grow my own biodynamic food and I teach others to do the same. I no longer go to protests because I am the father of two young kids, one of whom is autistic. I live in a yurt off the grid with a composting outhouse. I do what I am able for the cause, holmes.
2. No doors to bust down.
Not A shill either.
And I’m certainly not into being attacked by you.
What, did you fall asleep in your highball?
One more response and then I am done here: no way – no fucking way, ever, ever, ever – are us “Occupy people” going to “jump on agents, subdue them and sit on them until the cops come.” The Oakland Police Department is a brutal, sadistic gang and I wouldn’t turn my worst enemy over to them. Furthermore, isn’t subduing and sitting on someone violent? How much like our oppressors do we have to become before we become palatable to “proggies”?
I kind of regretted even commenting on this diary, but I thought an alternative story of what may have happened in SF was in order.
Sleep well, hotflashcarol. I thought better of responding, too. So many discussions have happened here concerning this dilemma, that any shorthand for the many issues, concerns, divisions of thought, etc., seemed a bit pointless.
There will be so many different takes on events today. Talk to you tomorrow, maybe.
Thanks my friend. We’re home safe – we left and stuff started happening after dark, as expected. More tomorrow. Sleep well.
Larue, I’m disappointed in ya…! I’ll leave it at that…! 8-(
Larue,
Ever since the Occupy was created, I have avoided writing about Occupy for a number of reasons, even though I do agree with a few things that they have attempted and in some instances, have succeeded.
Of course, my behavior will continue to remain the same, or until I see and read that the leadership component kick the hell out of all the self-perceived anarchists of of the violence-prone. Until then, I will say nothing of this Justice Movement.
Regardless, I will recommend and with Five Stars, this thread of yours. Ya’ bring attention to what is truly important and that’s self-policing. When I think of the Chicano Movement and the Cesar Chavez labor movement, military vets were always in the forefront and in the use of subtlety and nuance, was found in the “use of military veterans” for providing both “security” and “self-policing” relative to violence since law enforcement was well-known to send in it”s “operatives” to undermine the overall effort for any Justice Movement. Consequently, when the “vets” were invited in, showing up and wearing the National Defense Medal, “pushed” the law enforcement authorities into a more malleable moment, and in some instances, the law enforcement officials would provide the “names” of the shit disturbers detimental to the Justice Movement. And since I come at this from personal experience and that of my many friends, thinking “small-minded” seems to rule the day for today and into the future.
Eventually, the leaders of Occupy will begin to wise up or they will see their Occupy’s demise without realizing that the “opportunity” presented itself for the long term, and they didn’t have to the cojones to do it “correctly.”
Jaango
Larue, you certainly have a point with your diary.
Until the Occupy movement disavows the anarchists bent on violence under cover of Occupy it will be plagued with misperceptions not only by the MSM but by those folks in communities experiencing Occupy for the first time. Lame justifications and rationalizations by individual Occupiers for the violence in their midst is going to ultimately tarnish Occupy.
Thanks for your post!
To me, this is the true Battle For the Soul of Occupy. My understanding of Occupy (admittedly local) is that veal-pen Democrats and middle-of-the-road liberals were shown the door months ago. The critical debate is whether Occupy is going to endorse and encourage property destruction, violence-advocacy, strict anti-capitalism (including small businesses), and a tactical focus on antagonizing police, or whether it’s going to reject the insurrectionist model in favor of a radical non-violent, non-partisan, broad-based peaceful protest movement that can appeal to and include moderates. It’s my opinion that those two projects cannot exist together in the same movement.
Yep, you describe exactly what I’m trying to get at.
HFC, ok, so they don’t jump and sit on anarchists, but Occupy MUST police itself or they will kill the movement.
How’s that.
Yer welcome and I appreciate knowing I’m not the only one who feels this way. Thanks for your comment.
Thank you, I too believe that the DIM/Faux Lib coopting meme is of itself a kabuki ploy . . . it’s a main stream media meme which diverts from the issues at hand.
Yea, I agree Larue. Disavow the blackblocks (or whatever they’re called)!
Strategically, the rock throwing and breaking windows is counter-productive and neanderthal-like (no offense meant to neanderthals); and tactically is just plain stupid
That said: I’ve met people from Occupy Oakland and they seemed very thoughtful, intelligent and concerned
About strategy and tactics … I think a fresh reading of Sun Tzu and Gene Sharp are in order
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Sun Tzu, for sure.
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The Art Of War is in reality a lovely and fitting way to conduct resistance.
;-)