I get furious when the punditocracy doesn’t recognize that Cheney’s position on accountability for torture makes the Constitution a dead letter, and the President a dictator who can define what the law is by fiat. By extension, to refrain from prosecuting and convicting those who violated the law by engaging in torture, is to legitimate the claim that each President is a dictator who cannot be prosecuted for his unlawful acts and who can insulate his minions from prosecution and convictions, as well.
We cannot maintain a constitutional democracy without refuting such claims through the necessary investigations, prosecutions and convictions. So, up till now, we must say that the President, through his inaction, has continued to place the survival of our democracy in jeopardy. It is the most important and the most egregious thing he is doing. And if this failure to investigate and prosecute goes on for long enough it will be grounds for impeachment.
To those who say that prosecutions will undermine the morale and the functioning of the CIA and could very well lead to successful attacks by terrorists in this country, I say that, neither the CIA and its proper functioning, nor complete success in preventing terrorist attacks in this country is worth giving up our democracy for. We are not America without our democracy. We are not America without the rule of law limiting the executive power, so the executive can’t take away our liberty. We are not America when the President and those who work for him can do whatever they think is necessary regardless of what the law says. And we are not America when the law is merely what the President says that it is.
How much is our constitution, the guarantor of our liberty, worth? Is it worth 3,000 American lives, or 6,000, or 12,000, or 500,000, or 5,000,000, or 50,000,000? We all will have different answers to the question of what the price of our liberty is, and some will even insist that it is beyond price. But whatever one’s personal answer to this question about what the price of liberty is, I suspect that there aren’t many Americans who think that the price for which we will exchange our liberty is merely greater confidence that a terrorist attack on the United States will not occur.
We must communicate to people that what Cheney is trying to do, is to persuade us to give up the protection of our liberties provided by the constitutional limitation of executive power, and subordination of the executive branch of Government to the same laws that all of us must obey, in return for his assurance that torture works, and that it has kept us safe for the 7-plus years of the Bush Administration, after 9/11. And that since this is true, he says, we ought to keep on using it, and also refrain from investigating and perhaps prosecuting the President, the VP and their minions for breaking the law. Then, after providing this explanation, we must ask people whether they set the price of their liberty so low, that they will give it up just for these or similar assurances from Dick Cheney or anyone else?
To all those who would give up their liberty in return for these assurances, even if they believe that these ridiculous claims are true, I say that you are traitors to the United States of America. You are the ones who are disloyal to what we have built here slowly and laboriously with much suffering, since 1776 and before. You are the ones who fail to understand the character of this nation and its historical mission, and you are the ones who are damaging us far more than the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 did or ever could.
Mr. Cheney claims that President Obama’s policies are making the United States less safe than it was under the policy of law breaking and torture pursued by the Bush Administration. That may or may not be so. I believe that the new policies, which claim to prohibit torture, but still leave much to be desired, are making us safer. But even if that were not so, I would still see them as an improvement over Bush/Cheney policies; simply because opposition to torture is not a matter of looking at consequences and deciding whether or not something works. It is a matter of moral principle, of obedience to our laws, and fulfillment of obligations to uphold the constitution and our laws. We cannot compromise them and still remain America.
So, whether or not Mr. Obama’s policy on torture saves us from further attacks or provides openings for new ones, they are the policies that save America, because they return us to who we are as a nation. While the policies followed by Bush and Cheney, whether or not they did or did not prevent attacks after 9/11, destroy America, simply because they destroy what we are as a country and who we are as Americans. We must never be tempted by danger, insecurity, and fear to follow them, ever again. And we must move to investigate, prosecute, convict and punish those who followed them. We must do this not because we are seeking revenge, and not because we are engaged in politics, but to do justice, and also because we must make clear to them, to ourselves, and to future generations of Americans and other nations, who we are, and what America is.
All of last week we heard the words: “. . . the work goes on. The cause endures. The hope still lives. And the dream shall never die.” When listening to Dick Cheney and the Army of Republican apologists who place loyalty to their party and to their careers as party shills over loyalty to America and what is best in it, we must keep in mind that part of “the dream” that “shall never die” is an America that loves its liberty, and that will never sacrifice it whatever the stresses and strains we encounter in pursuing that dream.
In the past eight years we have been in danger of losing that dream. And even now, there is a question about how strongly the present Administration is committed to it. But one thing is very clear. The voices of Dick Cheney, Liz Cheney, and the cable pundits who support them are telling us that we had better kill that dream, because the only thing that counts is our physical safety. They, therefore, are the enemies of the dream that defines the character of America and our very identity as a nation. They must be rejected, summarily, and with great purpose. For if they are not, the most noble political experiment in the history of humanity will have failed, and we, and all of those in other nations who love liberty, will weep at the loss of liberty’s greatest champion.
(Also posted at the Alllifeisproblemsolving blog where there may be more comments)



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The reason that Cheney has the room to say so much is because Obama has been so hesitant and tentative to say or do anything. What Holder ordered was more of an initial review with a very limited scope. If Obama and Holder had begun a thorough investigation of torture, Cheney would still be yelling as loudly but from a much weaker position.
We have seen this now many times. Obama proposes some incredibly weak, watered down program. The Republicans raise hell like it was the end of the world, and it all seems like a lot of CYA on everyone’s part to obscure the fact that any real investigation is unlikely to happen.
The truth is that while I see Bush and Cheney as destroyers of the Constitution I do not see Obama as a defender of it.
Hugh, I agree. One of my biggest problems with Obama is that he’s not defending the constitution, but seems to be quietly consolidating some of the outrageous grabs of authority initiated or expanded by Bush. From signing statements to keeping things from Congress, he seems to be continuing the war with the Congressional Branch of Government, which, as usual, is not doing much to insist on its prerogatives.
Recommended. Thank you, letsgetitdone and Hugh, for seeing so clearly the critical moment that is right now for America, and for your sharp defining of what we can expect if corrective action is not taken.
Obama’s skillful oratory got him the presidency, but I do not see in him or those he has gathered around him the depth of understanding, courage or the strength of purpose which are required get it done.
So, what is it going to take to turn this around before it’s too late to wake up?
I think we need to build another movement. I think we may need new progressive organizations. Organizations like DFA and Move-on are not representing us now. We need to show them that politicians are not the only only ones who can lose their jobs if they think they’re smarter than their grass roots. We also need to find other politicians to back, though it’s hard to find any names we can really trust. Perhaps Al Franken, Sheldon Whitehouse, Russ Feingold, Bernie Sanders, and maybe Pat Leahy in the Senate. In the House there are more, but still not very many. We need the movement to generate its own political candidates.
get-er=done, I’d vote for Glenn Greenwald and Amy Goodman for any office they ran for!
got to put away the groceries, then will read the Dawg’s diary. Thanks.
Also, here’s a recent post from the Dog giving practical advice.
There’s something else we cannot do. We cannot prevail in any of the fights, justified or otherwise, that people like Dick Cheney would have us fight, either. There is nothing more fundamental to Islam than the expression, “Justice is the origin of rule.” Any government that does not deliver the rule of law, is thought to be illegitimate. Everyone talks about how torture was such a great recruiting tool. But so is failure to prosecute someone for crimes against humanity. Not arresting and trying Dick Cheney is endangering our troops. Shouldn’t we, like the ribbon magnets on the Chevy Suburbans say, support our troops?
Yes, ondelette, we should. We should start producing bumper stickers that read: Support our troops, convict the torturers! As for “Justice is the origin of rule,” I think Obama and the Congress need a very big dose of that. But that’s been apparent for some time now. See here, as well
Great post, letsgetitdone.
Thank you.
Thank you,Rusty1776. I’ve been watching your very good posts as well.
it seems like it has to be perennially rediscovered, but outside (D) captured areas what you are writing about is called the ratchet effect.
so Cheney cranked the lever pretty hard, but Obama keeps it there by letting the torturers get off scott free.
by voting (D), this is what you enable, year in, year out, decade after decade it has been clear.
Unless, of course we take over the Ds with our people.
You’re torturing me with all the torture articles. If you do not stop immediately I will have to report you to the DOJ.
Sorry.
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