Bill Egnor blogs about whether or not we’ve been expecting too much from President Obama. He says:
“If you look at the Presidency from the point of view of the Constitution, it really is not a powerful office except in terms of what it prevents. It is really and primarily a check on the powers of other areas of our government and military. The president proposes no legislation, none. He can only do one of two things with a piece of legislation; he can sign it and make it law, or he can veto it. This is intended to be the final check to prevent the Congress from making a big mistake. They can override a veto, it is true, but when a veto happens it requires a reexamination of the bill by both Houses and a two thirds majority in each in order to overrule the President.”
I don’t think we’ve been expecting too much from the President, and I do think he’s been letting us down. Bill’s contrary view is based on the idea that the written constitution makes the Presidency a relatively weak office, and that, under it, it is not the President’s job to legislate or to take the lead in helping us to meet America’s social, economic other problems. But, I think this is a very anachronistic interpretation of the constitution which the United States has left far behind long years ago.
Strong presidents established early on that they had considerable influence over legislation. Names that come to mind here are Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, and of course, Abraham Lincoln. But certainly by the early 20th century and Teddy Roosevelt’s presidency it had been established that the President has very powerful legislative functions because of two factors.
First, the President is the only official elected by all the people, not quite directly because of the electoral college it is true, but still pretty close to directly. And second, because the President is the leader of his political party, and party influence transcends the executive and legislative branches and gives the President, the actual, if not the formal power, to introduce legislation into the Congress. How that happens is that the Executive Branch often formulates bills, or at least the outlines of bills, and then has some friendly Congressperson or Senator introduce them into a House of Congress. This has been going on for a long time. It is the way things have been done in Washington, and it makes the President the most important legislative leader in the US Government, more important than the Speaker of the House, and more important than the Majority leader of the Senate, in actuality, if not in name.
None of this goes beyond the constitution or is prohibited by it. Instead, it is the way actual political practice has evolved under the constitution. It is, if you will, part of the unwritten constitution of the United States. For this to change, Presidents would have to refuse to try to lead the Congress in the direction they favor. But, how can Presidents do that, when as candidates they run for the Presidency, and ask for support, by promising many things to the public, promises they cannot begin to deliver upon except through vigorous leadership of the legislature exercised through addresses to the public, the Congress, press conferences, interviews, bills introduced into the legislature through friendly proxies, etc during which the President lays out what he wants Congress to do, i.e. what he wants them to legislate. If someone running for President expected to govern in a way that doesn’t involve leading the legislative branch, then all such promises would be made in bad faith.
I’ve pointed out that the legislative function of the President is not new, but goes back to the beginning of the Republic, and has been a dominant feature of the Presidency since the early 20th century at least. That means that this function has nothing to do with the Bush Administration and its over-stepping of executive authority. While I agree with Bill Egnor that the Bush Administration did that, and that many of its activities were unconstitutional and may well have involved violations of the law, its activity in this respect had nothing to do with the legislative functions of the Presidency. The over-stepping we’re talking about, instead, had to do with only violations of law and the constitution by the Bush Administration. These are violations that need desperately to be pursued with prosecutions by the Obama Administration, and, upon conviction, punished according to our laws.
For President Obama to be the strong progressive leader we thought we were electing, he doesn’t have to violate the constitution at all. All he has to do is to follow the pattern of modern presidents in leading the Congress. For him to refuse to do that, and to turn over major bills to Congress to write, is outrageous. It is to turn over the writing of those bills to lobbyists, and to maximize the chances that the products of Congress will act against the interests and the needs of the American people.
President Obama has disappointed us on so many fronts already, that I won’t take the time to list them here. But I will point out that acting differently to support a better stimulus bill, reconstruct our financial system, a better cap-and-trade bill, a better health care insurance reform bill, a better credit card reform act, quicker action on getting accountability for torture and violations of civil liberties, and on restoring and strengthening constitutional safeguards in these areas, required none of the arbitrary actions and violations of the constitution we saw during the Bush Administration. All that he needed to do was to act in the traditions of the best Democratic Presidents of the past. The truth is that he is refusing to do that, and instead is acting like a community facilitator who thinks his community is composed of inside the beltway congresspeople, media types, policy analysts, and lobbyists, rather than the American people.
One of Bill’s main points is:
"In the end if you want to make things work in this Republic, you have to work the system as it was intended. It is far to easy to do what the Republicans have done and short circuit the system, the problem is that way lies tyranny of one kind or another. The basic idea of our system of government and law is one of balance; we must not trade short term achievements, no matter how well intentioned, for long term imbalance. This is one of the myriad ways that democracies die, and it is one we must avoid."
I think this statement is mistaken in at least two respects.
1) We no longer live with the system the founders intended, or possibly could have forecast. Instead, we live with a system that has evolved so that the United States can live in a world that is vastly different culturally, technologically, socially, economically, and ethically. ‘The constitutional system" has, with the aid of the Supreme Court, and various home-grown traditions, evolved since the beginning to allow us to function in this new and much more complex world. The question is whether it has evolved enough; whether it can cope with the huge problems we see, and still maintain the freedoms that are so important to us. In any event, we don’t need or want to work the system as it was intended by the founders. Instead we need and want to be able to work the system that has evolved in order to solve those problems. We want, also, to preserve that system, but that does not mean we can, or ought to, preserve all of it. What we need to preserve is its essential character as a Democracy, committed to both majority rule and individual and minority freedoms and rights. But some parts of it, like the filibuster in the Senate, need to go before they destroy us all.
And 2) even though “balance” is essential, and short-term achievements should not supercede the fundamentals of our system and the need for long-term balance, the problem with this as a general statement is that we have to be really careful about distinguishing what is fundamental, from what is tradition that has outlived its usefulness. Our civil liberties are fundamental. The rule of law and its enforcement are fundamental. The separation of powers is fundamental. But some things that are not fundamental include private for-profit health insurance, bipartisanship, the filibuster, the seniority system in Congress, the electoral college, nine justices on the Supreme Court rather than 15, the right of the credit card companies to charge whatever interest rates they want, the rights of corporations to conduct their own political campaigns in their own economic interests, and many other things. So, the plea for balance cannot be so general. It has to be much more specific. It has to tell us what kinds of presidential activities would unbalance the system.
In particular, in noting that the Bush Administration unbalanced the relationship between the executive and legislative branches, one has to be specific about the ways in which that was done, and then one has to ask what Obama has done so far to right the balance. I think the answer is not much, as we see from his insistence on the "state secrets" doctrine, and his failure to pursue prosecutions for torture and illegal surveillance activities.
Coming back to the question of whether we are expecting too much from this President, I think we are expecting from him only that he will work hard, and with some success, to achieve the outcomes he promised. In many cases, we think he has abandoned those outcomes, for fear of antagonizing various corporate interests. In fact, we see him as so far representing their well-being and not ours; as being a Wall Street President like Hoover, and not a Main Street President like FDR, Truman, or even Lyndon Johnson.
We don’t like that. We also don’t like his attempts to marginalize us. To call those of us who insist on a good public option as “the left of the left,” and to say that those of us, like myself, who are Medicare for All people are just impractical idealists, or to say that those economists, some of the finest in the world, who earlier wanted a strong enough stimulus to bring us back from the recession are “impractical,” even though they were right, and he was obviously (long-term unemployment of 10% now being forecast) way off base. Put simply, we feel betrayed, and increasingly bitter and mistrustful of this Administration. It has a long way to go to regain our trust, if that’s even possible.
(Also posted at the Alllifeisproblemsolvingblog where there may be more comments)



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Obama’s record
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-ni…..s/1163263/
Hi John, Thanks for the link. I’d already seen it, but it’s hilarious and right on point. Thanks again.
Obama has only been in office for 8 months. Things I don’t like but keep praying for the guy…I actually believe in his good intentions and actions working towards his intentions
Lots of finger wagging out there and I believe we should be pointing those wagging fingers back at ourselves. Our jobs are to keep pushing..pushing hard…make him and our congress do their jobs .
Make Obama do it. Oppose the health insurance industry, etc etc. Keep pushing
The Bill Egnor post hit a nerve. I thought I might be one of the few to read it and think how odd his argument was. But then it got promoted to the main page. You do a complete job here of answering him. It is amazing to me what lengths some are willing to go to justify the terrible and terribly consistent record Obama is building. The truth is that Obama is thoroughly status quo. There isn’t an iota of change in him. At some point, ordinary Americans are going to turn against him and once that happens there will be no way for Obama to win them back. It didn’t have to happen like this, but the fault lies completely and absolutely with Obama. This is the path he chose.
On a different note, I finally put my Obama scandals list up on the web and it can be found here:
http://obamascandalslist.blogspot.com/
or by clicking on my name. It is a work in progress. I especially need to write up the healthcare debate.
It depends on your meaning of Status Quo. For a non ideological president, who tends to be pragmatic, the small amount of change he has brought so far has resulted in protests and teabagging and screams of communism.
However, I would check the record of the president and what he has done out and then look at it from the viewpoint of what he has been building over the past 8 months.
He’s laid quite the groundwork quietly.
Progressives demand everything to be done overnight and alot of screaming headlines over every little thing done.
The opposite of what Obama is really like.
I think you may have fallen for the gop slamming and blaming game and thinking it’s being ‘progressive’ to do so when it is more doing what the rpeubs and msm are hoping you do.
vwcat, Have you read Hugh’s list? If so, I can’t see how you can make the comment you just did.
Thanks, for a definitive list, Hugh. I susbcribed.
Hugh,
I’m very impressed by your Obamascandalslist but have 2 suggestions:
1) the title doesn’t ring right and makes it seem like you are focusing on unsavoury personal experiences (which you are not). How about Obamashortcomingslist or something like that?
2) for Obama’s ties to Robert Rubin-Goldman Sachs, type “Obama” and “Hamilton Institute” into google and it will lead you to a diary that appeared here on Firedoglake. The Hamilton Institute is a free trade group set up and financed by Bob Rubin and Goldman. Guess who was the speaker at the opening ceremonies of the Institute? None other than Sen. Barack Obama who waxed eloquently about the need for free trade and the need to cut back on entitlements! He also commends his “friend, Bob [Rubin]”. His speech is given in the same article. I think it shows Obama has been in the Goldman Sachs bag for a long time.
What Hugh said.
Mr. Obama, for reasons different than George Bush Sr, is well on his way to a one-term presidency. He campaigned advocating for credible, necessary change from the Bush-Rove-Cheney presidency. That was an artful approach. Not because he likes change – he doesn’t – but because even Republicans wanted to change a lot of what that regime did, and Democrats had an endless list of changes they wanted.
It is abundantly clear now, and was to the observant earlier, and will be to many more over the next year, that Barack Obama is the quintessential man of the status quo. He prefers continuity he can bank on, not change we can believe in.
Mr. Obama is not FDR, breaking ranks with his class. He’s not even a restrained JFK or Teddy. He wants the advantages the status quo gives him, which elevated him from community organizer in ChiTown to el Presidente. Obama doesn’t seem directly interested in self-enrichment, but he knows that it, like book deals, will come from those rewarded when meaningful change is spiked.
I also suspect, without proof, that Obama hopes to distance himself from the aura of potential violence surrounding the work of his civil rights forebears – from Gandhi to Martin Luther King, Jr, to Thurgood Marshall. He wants peaceful acceptance of his accomplishments, whatever those are besides his status as president.
Obama wants to be seen as having no partisanship, a hopeless or hopelessly naive wish. He wants to be seen as having no race, an equally hopeless and hopelessly naive wish. It’s worse than that, I think, because Obama confuses being raceless with not having to enforce civil rights that a narrow economic elite finds an obstacle to its status and aims.
That’s a post-partisan, post-racial lesson Barack Obama should think about a little more.
I don’t know about his motivation EOH, but I do know that he always seems to support doing things for Wall Street and not Main Street. From my point of view he’s a Republican and not a Democrat.
In some respects Yes.
As with John in Sacremento who takes a comedy skit as fact. Actually the list of what Obama has done so far is very long. You only get bells and whistles on a few big name, ‘celebrity’ bills like Health Care. And those kind of bills do not take care of themselves overnight.
this is the first president to deal with both blogs and 24/7 cable news – one network that is actively working to undermine him and promote hate for him.
Obama also is a president who doesn’t believe in the imperial one. He does expect congress to do their job and this where the question get interesting.
Do We Expect too much from Obama or Do we expect nothing or far too little from Congress and then blame Obama???
Dude, lighten up
Thin skin much?
Excellent diary, Letsgetitdone. Bill’s writing about the limited power of the presidency ignores more than 200 years of American history. Over that time, the presidency has grown increasingly powerful and the legislative branch, correspondingly has grown weaker. Part of that is due to the fact we have one executive and hundreds of congresscritters. The media like to focus on the kingpin. Part of the growth of power in the presidency is historical, especially due to the numerous wars we have been engaged in since 1917. Bill is living in denial and make-believe-land, like so many Obamabots. You point out, rightly so, that Obama has been a bitter disappointment to progressives. One only has to look at HIS selection (and continued support for) Rahm Emanuel and Obama’s freezing out most progressives from his administration. He has not even changed W’s man over at Defense, the second most important job in the government. Progressives and true Democrats from the Democratic side of the party (Paul Wellstone and Howard Dean democrats) need to recognize this. After Obama’s Olympics fiasco and with the reality of Obama really pushing mandated insurance rather than a public option, I think we’ll see his ratings continue to move South. He’s a one term president largely because he has pissed repeatedly on his base.
Thanks, fflambeau. I have a theory that one of the big reasons for the decline of the Congress is the combination of the need for solutions to the problems of modern times with the Seniority and Filibuster institutions in the Senate. These institutions support and amplify the negative power of individuals in the Senate, rather than the institutional positive power of the Congress as a whole as a problem solver. The majority leader of the Senate is a pygmy compared to the President because he or she can’t command the support of party members to back a party agenda that has been approved by the electorate in the last election. The Speaker of the House is more powerful by comparison, by her positive power and that of the House is severely diluted by the Senate.
Legislatures in other parliamentary systems have evolved into dominant positions because they can organize as one to control and constrain the executive while using their position to pass laws as the solutions to problems. The logical evolution of such systems is that the real executive comes directly from and is responsible to the parliament. We then have what Woodrow Wilson called “Congressional Government.” But in this Country that evolution has been blocked, and because the Congress can’t solve problems in a timely fashion we now have very strong Presidential Government, and even an ascendancy of the judicial branch, over the legislative, in some respects. Of course, the founding fathers didn’t foresee any of this, and their fear of the tyranny of a democratic legislature led them to over-correct, so that anti-democratic forces are now much too strong in the American political system.
W don’t need to have President Obama do what we want. We need to pressure conservatives in both parties to do what we want.
Here’s how
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/8715/
Hugh,
I’m very impressed by your Obamascandalslist but have 2 suggestions:
1) the title doesn’t ring right and makes it seem like you are focusing on unsavoury personal experiences (which you are not). How about Obamashortcomingslist or something like that?
2) for Obama’s ties to Robert Rubin-Goldman Sachs, type “Obama” and “Hamilton Institute” into google and it will lead you to a diary that appeared here on Firedoglake. The Hamilton Institute is a free trade group set up and financed by Bob Rubin and Goldman. Guess who was the speaker at the opening ceremonies of the Institute? None other than Sen. Barack Obama who waxed eloquently about the need for free trade and the need to cut back on entitlements! He also commends his “friend, Bob [Rubin]”. His speech is given in the same article. I think it shows Obama has been in the Goldman Sachs bag for a long time.
Letsgetitdone; Nice article man! Really good stuff, even if you are disagreeing with me.
Your points are valid and well thought out, but I think you miss what I am trying to say. I do think the office of the presidency should be less powerful than it is. The concentration of power in the President is something the Framers would be aghast at (well I think they would be who actually knows?), they did not want a single person to have this level of power.
More importantly though is the way the Presidency is viewed today we are normalizing the idea of the Unitary Executive and that, to me is the major danger we must push back against.
Having time to look my essay over again, I might not have framed it with this president, but more as an argument for pushing back presidential power in general. There are too many complications with the disappointment many of us, myself included, feel with the way President Obama has been handling issues of great importance. Reading the thread on my essay it is clear people missed the fact that I am pissed off with the President and do not believe we should give him an ounce of slack on failing to lead on the agenda he so clearly articulated in the campaign.
Still, for all its failings I think my article, with the help of yours, has achieved at least the purpose of getting people to think and speak out about what they think the role of the office of the president should be.
Thanks for the rebuttal!
Oh! One other point! It is true we have evolved this current state of affairs which is not actually granted by nor actually prohibited by the Constitution. However it is really contrary to the idea of checks and balances for it to be allowed to continue in the path. Just because we have done this from past precedent does not mean it is in the best interest of non-parliamentary democracy to continue to do so. The dangers the Bush Era have made apparent are all the argument we should need for putting the presidency in a more balanced position in regards to the Congress and the Judiciary branches.
Representative democracy like ours is never set in stone, it changes and flexes but it does not have to do so by accident, we can say we want the office of the presidency to be more constrained and limited more closely to its originally intended role of being the “no” vote instead of the affirmative office it has become.
This requires a better Congress in general and while that is hard, it is something I believe we should work for in order to have the kind of governance we want.
Cheers.
Thanks Bill, I generally agree with the thrust of this reply, except for the notion that the problem is to restrict the presidency to
I don’t think that that is the solution unless we want a Congressional Government and the eventual consolidation of executive as well as legislative functions in the Congress. Again, I’ll outline what I think should be done in my forthcoming diary.
Hi Bill, Thanks for your kind words, your support of my post, and your help in calling Jason’s attention to it. It’s great to be writing in a community where people support one another even when they disagree.
I take your point that the presidency should be less powerful than it is, and I generally agree with it. I too, have been very concerned at the abuse of power by the Executive Branch, and about the dangers of concentrating power in a unitary executive, and I have thought quite a bit about how to put a stop to it. However, I don’t think it’s useful to either appeal to the viewpoint of the founders to solve the problem, or to think about the solution in terms of simply reducing the President’s power.
Since my point of view is relatively complex, I won’t lay it out in this reply. Instead, I’ll do another diary later today to state my point of view. For now, I’ll just say that I think the Presidency is both too powerful and also too weak, and that the Congress is also too powerful and too weak, and that the mix of different types of power in how the two branches relate is very dysfunctional for the United States right now and has to be changed. My diary will analyze this situation and then suggest how it can be changed to solve the problem.
I’m looking forward to seeing the next piece on this. This is a good conversation to be having, IMO.
Thanks Jason, I expect I’ll be able to finish it before the night is over.
My full reply to Bill’s comments is posted.
Been away building a fence and other things but both Lets and Bill have valid points.
Lets points about how the ’system’ has evolved(been subverted) are accurate(though I would disagree with the timelines cited) and Bill’s point of his posting arguing that “More importantly though is the way the Presidency is viewed today we are normalizing the idea of the Unitary Executive and that, to me is the major danger we must push back against.” is one that I COMPLETELY AND ARDENTLY support. The American Revolution was against a King and corruptness regards taxation and the nation has devolved to where such exists internally.
I urge everyone to read Washington’s farewell address and reflect on it’s prescience.
And ask others to think back to the 70’s; for instance Buckley v. Valeo and it’s impact upon the electoral process.
IT IS THE SYSTEM THAT IS CORRUPT AND DYSFUNCTIONAL; the ‘players’ are only fulfilling the roles the ‘play’(system) has written them in for.
That said, it IS very disturbing and depressing that so few of the players have the various types of courage to exhibit, including Obama.
Great job once again lets.
Obama and Obama apologists get me down.
So, progressives shove aside a SP Medicare for All program that would renew, is fiscally conservative, because it removes the toxicity and clear destructiveness of big business and ends the $10-$20 million insurance and pharma execs yearly paychecks, soon to grow exponentially with mandatory care. And despite noises to transition in insurance workers, etc., it is too “change” imposing.
And even now, after seeing what the bottom feeders in Congress are capable of, the untrustworthiness of building the mysterious concoction of “public option” they still will not put support in for single payer because it is not “feasible” and “pragmatic.” Why, because the 80 million who brought in Obama for what they thought was change, now that they have a leadership not inclined for change, won’t fight for single payer cuz it is just toooooo big a change. A change they just can’t believe in … because it is too pure? Because it is ????? 80 million people would get SP in a heartbeat if they focused and fought for it like they did for the ideal of Obama.
Yeah, let’s work really hard for a system that we know will be very flawed and will be exploited and will have loopholes written into if by the best and brightest and most amoral lawyers … and then maybe in a few generations, America will begin to embrace a universal, single payer system without the vendors, whom Michael Moore asserts are some of the one percenters now controlling 95% of the wealth.
Yeah, I am a holier than thou bleeding heart liberal. But how many times does the football of public option get pulled away? At least I am not fighting for that illusory football, but for a concrete structure, a clear line in the sand.
Reagan got to fire the traffic controllers. They didn’t deserve it. The medical industrial complex does. It puts profit over the very lives of people. As does the military industrial complex. Can’t anyone wrap his or her mind around those horrifying statistics of tragedy?
But maybe a future generation will really get the perfect positive storm of constituency and Prez and a more moral congress … and maybe the too idealistic SP Medicare for All will get implemented. Even though the rest of the industrial world saw its merits and sanity for years.
And when you have to fight with your own party to follow up on the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happniess, because it is not a pragmatic and feasible plan …
oy vey.
oy vey, indeed.