I think “groupthink” is a general pattern in this Administration. Not the simple groupthink that considers only one alternative and never discusses anything else, but a more complex sort of groupthink about frames.
Obama looks at alternatives in deciding on policy, alright. And he appears to be rational in his consideration of them. So far, so good. It’s a real departure from Bush’s “shoot from the hip,” gut-decided decisions, and follow-the-leader approach. But when he begins to consider issues, he generally seems to have made a pre-decision on the frame he will use for decision making. Alternatives that are outside his frame are “off the table” and not really open for discussion within the Administration. The limits of his frames, also, seem to be determined by political judgments that come from his gut, and that he does not arrive at through as rational a process as he uses after his pre-decision on a frame is made.
I see this pattern in his approach to fixing the financial system. I think he pre-decided that taking the big banks into receivership wasn’t on the table, even though many economists thought that he should have handled them that way. So all the other ideas for bringing the banks back were considered, but using resolution on them was never really compared on all fours with other alternatives during the decision making process, in spite of the fact that many economists outside this Administration were urging receivership and resolution as the way to go that was best for the American taxpayer, and for healing the financial system by recognizing and removing its toxic assets. Instead, the focus was on the details of a big bank bailout and on the technical wonky aspects of how that might best be done.
The same thing happened with the economic stimulus package. Early on, the President and Rahm Emanuel appear to have decided that ideas such as those of Krugman, Stieglitz, Baker, Galbraith, Kuttner, Reich, and others calling for a massive $1.2 – 1.6 trillion dollar stimulus, focused on infrastructure, saving state government jobs, and re-inventing the economy, couldn’t be sold to the Congress. So they never tried to make the sale to the American people in the face of Republican resistance, even though it was apparent then, as it is even more so now, that the stimulus being considered, and eventually passed in modified form, was only half the size of what was needed to bring jobs back, and also was targeted on the wrong things.
At the time, there were stories about how Rahm and he thought that people like Krugman, Stieglitz, and Dean Baker, were probably right from an economic point of view, but that they had never gotten a bill through Congress. Of course, the only bills Rahm had gotten through Congress, were in earlier pre-crash political environments in the Clinton and Bush Administrations. The thought doesn’t seem to have occurred to Rahm and the President, that old patterns of possibility and probability might have been changed by the panic everyone was feeling back in February and March about the economy, and that at the time the President could probably have gotten everything he wanted. The attitudes of the President and Rahm on the stimulus were very analogous to the President’s stated views on Medicare for All, single-payer health insurance. He admits it’s the best thing from a solution point of view, but he took it off the table as a decision alternative on political feasibility grounds, evidently partly on the assumption that he could not sell it.
In foreign policy, the President appears to be taking a very careful rational approach to what comes next in Afghanistan. But one thing that’s not on the table, from all that we hear, is the full withdrawal alternative. Another case of a decision alternative withdrawn from the process prematurely, because it doesn’t fit what is probably a political feasibility frame, since it plays into the narrative that Democrats are “soft” on National Security.
Everyone will agree with the homily that one should not try to do things that are politically infeasible. But I think political feasibility, unfortunately, is a very slippery thing which can vary from month to month, and that it is a great mistake to take the best solution to any problem “off the table,” until you have actually proven, by attempting to sell it, that it is, indeed, politically infeasible. I see this Administration taking “best solutions’ off the table all the time, and then muttering about how “the perfect is the enemy of the good.” However, I think that “the timid is just as much the enemy of the good as the perfect is.” And I also think that this Administration’s embrace of the timid reflects outdated lessons learned in the Clinton Administration during a center-right period in American History.
Now, however, we’re living in a period when the country does not yet know whether it’s still center-right or has moved to another position. Exactly where it moves will depend on who is successful at solving the nation’s problems, and on the nature of the solutions that appear to work. If these solutions involve Government, the Center-left orientation of American politics which was so successful from the 1930s through the ’60s will again be the order of the day. What actually happens will depend very much on this Administration and whether it can formulate and implement real solutions to problems. The half-measures it has favored so far while bleating about political feasibility, will likely lead to a right-wing reaction and another opportunity for the forces that came very close to bankrupting us so recently. These forces will again get another chance to make themselves richer while putting the nation into an even deeper and more precarious situation. With a little more time between themselves and the Bush Administration to distance themselves from it, to let the people forget, and to provide rationalizations for its and their failure, they’ll be ready once again to sell their low taxes, anti-government, anti-regulation, “trickle-down,” strident nationalist, and moralistic ideology to the American people.
Coming back to health insurance reform and health care reform, the bill that comes out of this Congress, is now almost sure to be highly inadequate. We won’t even get the second best solution of a Jacob Hacker-type PO plan out of this push for reform, but may, at best get a public option tied to Medicare rates, open to the unemployed, and those who can’t get insurance through their employment along with individual mandates, State opt-outs, individual subsidies whose adequacy will constantly be under attack from Republicans and deficit hawks more generally, and an exchange, that along with the PO won’t be operative until 2013. But those backing the Administration will trumpet what a great advance this is, and also probably say later that we can’t possibly take up reform again until we at least give the new bill a chance to work. In other words, they’re going to tell people to shut up until at least 2015, and let Congress get on with other urgent business. Meanwhile, 17- 20 million or more people will still remain uncovered, and large numbers of deaths and bankruptcies, though less than we have today, will still exist in America.
Why are we in this place right now in health insurance reform? I think it’s primarily because the President and his progressive allies, though not all progressives, created a political feasibility frame, before it considered the details of solutions and their likely effectiveness, and took certain alternatives that were worth consideration from a rational, solutions point of view, off the table to begin with, because they didn’t fit that prematurely constructed political feasibility frame. By doing that, the Administration moved the Overton Window of debate over health insurance alternatives over to the right. It distorted the Media’s perspective (and its frame for the debate), and also the public’s perspective on where the center was in the universe of health care alternatives. It excluded national health care alternatives modeled on the VA system, or on the UK’s National Health Plan, I.e. “socialized medicine” systems, and also national health insurance, i.e. “Medicare for All,” “socialized insurance” alternatives, such as the systems we find today in Medicare, or the enhanced Medicare system proposed in the Conyers/Kucinich HR 676 bill, or the kinds of systems we see today in Canada, Australia, and New Zealand among others. It made it seem that the idea of a public option was the “liberal” alternative in this debate, and by failing to get specific about what it wanted in a reform bill, it allowed vagueness, ambiguity, and paranoia about what a public option is, and what its version of a public option contained, to rule the day.
Going a bit deeper, the Administration’s framing of the situation, with a vague public option preference on the left, and no reform at all on the right, played into the media’s tendencies to create frames for stories based on the conventional wisdom of Administration insiders and the White House Press Corps. The media latched onto the Administration’s frame almost immediately at the beginning of 2009. It extended the groupthink about the frame from the Administration to itself, and never covered either national health care (single-payer, single-provider), or national health insurance (single-payer) alternatives on health care reform. After all, White House sources had said these alternatives were off the table, so, how could they be news?
The result of all this was that the Public’s perspectives, often amorphous and volatile on complex political issues, also became distorted, and shared in the Administration’s groupthink, because the frame it was fed by the MSM was one that excluded two types of solutions: national health care, and national health insurance, that had proven viable in other nations, but that the Administration viewed as politically infeasible. This distortion of perspectives has harmed the efforts of progressives to arrive at a solution to the health insurance reform problem that will work, and also be politically viable for Democrats.
Instead of discussing proposals for national health care or Medicare for All, and being able to point to successful and money-saving outcomes in other nations using those systems, or talking about how and why these alternatives can solve problems caused by our present health insurance non-system, progressives have been drawn into the morass of complex discussions about what the various features of exchanges, mandates, subsidies, and variants of the public option notion should be, and also into endless false issues, such as the “death panel,” government take-over of medicine, “rationing,” and other tall tales the opposition to health insurance floated week-by-week during the debate.
The blogosphere was also drawn very deeply into this debate, largely on the side of advocating for a strong and robust public option. But the bloggers, like everyone else, were caught in the President’s and the MSM’s framing of the political situation from the beginning. Most bloggers for reform accepted the constraints of the Administration’s frame, and spent very little time writing about national health care or national health insurance systems. They spent very little time criticizing the Administration’s and the Media’s frame. Instead they bowed to, and therefore helped to reinforce the frame that defined the public option as both the liberal alternative, and also the best alternative attainable at this time. The Jacob Hacker-type PO became “the left of the left” even though progressives originally viewed it as a second best compromise.
In the end, as the Administration, the MSM, the Congress, the blogosphere, and the public have all interacted with the Administration’s unfortunate framing of the issue, we have now come down to the current bad place, where many progressives will consider it a victory if we get a bill with an eligibility-restricted, opt-out PO with mandates and inadequate subsidies, that won’t even be operative until 2013. Such a bill will be a political disaster for this Administration and the Democratic Congress when the public perceives clearly that they will receive little benefit from the bill until 2013, and only after the insurance industry will have had the chance to raise its already unconscionably high rates by another 30 – 40%.
I’ve reviewed the highly negative effects of premature political framing of issues in the bank bailout, economic stimulus, Afghanistan policy re-evaluation, and health insurance reform areas. But, we can also see the same thing going on in cap-and-trade, credit card reform, and the discussion just beginning on a possible jobs bill. The frames of this Administration begin by excluding politically infeasible solutions. We will probably see this again in the areas of education, energy, and the environment, and in any other problems the Administration tackles. And we will also see it back solutions that create similar dynamics in the Media, the blogosphere, the public, and the Congress. This pattern however, does not serve us well. It has a bias toward political expediency at the price of real practicality – getting to solutions that work. If we can’t disturb this pattern, if the Administration is allowed to “pre-compromise” on solutions by using the political feasibility frame, before it has used a “how well does this solution work relative to others” frame, we will continue to get bad results.
What we need to do to get out of this box, is to be truly pragmatic. All of us, including the Administration, need to consider all the ideas that may work to solve a problem, and compare and debate them without first considering their political feasibility. We need to suspend judgment about that while we evaluate a solution on its own merits. That’s because political feasibility can’t be pre-determined. It is not a pre-condition of the legislative process, to be divined intuitively by the experienced and self-annointed political gurus. It is an outcome of that process. It has to be determined by political conflict and negotiation, and also by how well proposed solutions perform in actual debate. In its focus on “the perfect is the enemy of the good,” the Obama Administration has forgotten that “the timid is the enemy of the good,” also. In issue after issue, it has embraced the timid, and the result is that its solutions to the nation’s problems don’t work.
(Also posted at the Alllifeisproblemsolving blog where there may be more comments)



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What we need is to get Obama away from all his trusted advisors, that make the decisions and convince Him he has to do what they say. Short of killing them there is no hope of that.
He is a very smart guy, but has bought into the fact that smart people say they are smart people. Then those smart people convince others that they are smart people. It’s hard not to listen or be influenced by someone who has you convinced they are smart, and knows the right thing to do.
The true fact is if all these people were smart we wouldn’t have and problems and need them. So it become a self fullfilling need to be needed.
Washington’s problem, and it was there long before Obama is that it has to many people who think their smart. When truth be known there isn’t a brain in the bunch. Brains to be confused with opinions, because there are a million opinions, that we are convinced that there are that many brains.
It truly is hopeless, so we might as well bite the bullet and give up.
I guess I’m willing to agree that many of these people are very smart. But I think the real problem is that smart people think that because they are smarter than others it follows that they also must be right and others wrong, and it also follows they are right most of the time. Unfortunately, I don’t think either of these conclusions are true. I also think, that, in fact, the world and its interactions are hard to understand and that when we confront hard problems most of us are wrong much more often than we are right. So to be right in the long run we have to be willing to see error, admit error. and try something else.
Not many of us are able to do that. Bush couldn’t do it, and at this point I suspect that Obama can’t do it either. The problem is that America as a country has to be able to do it, or the 21st century will overwhelm us with its many challenges.
lets, very, very interesting analysis. The dangers of groupthink. As well as Beltway, political and corporate elite cronyism that I think Obama has been seduced by, probably before the election. Which means the performance he put on for 80 million of us was disingenuous.
You have again stretched my thinking with this analysis and I will continue to explore it.
I tend to think in feeling terms, i.e., Obama does not seem to have the heart and vision of a true reformer, or the imagination and courage and will of one.
I do, however, remember on a documentary about how JFK was overwhelmed by the big boys upon his election and railroaded into too hasty military decisions, and his father was so insistent that RFK become attorney general, despite the advisors fighting the very idea and JFK willing to forego it. JFK didn’t get why until he realized how grounded he suddenly was with someone who trusted him and he trusted working with him, letting him expand into his true self, and Bobby had his back politically and emotionally, ferociously. Obama’s team … they seemed recycled from other teams.
Is it about learned helplessness or crony-corruption with his lack of boldness so far?
I also think true reform has to be implemented by someone who is proactive. A statesman who asks “Why not?” as RFK asked. Obama is a reactive gamesman. Good on his feet, but when you are reactive, as you say, the other party chooses the frame. I remember Edwards and Hillary looking at Obama funny when he admitted to voting “present” rather than taking a firm stand on an issue. That was foreshadowing, maybe.
I appreciate thoughtfulness. But he doesn’t seem to have a strong moral compass.
And if he is like Bill Clinton with an eye on the polls and what the media is saying and fretting about winning the next election rather than putting this desperate country back on the tracks, then he is handing the opportunity and the power away to the willful right and its dangerous extremists.
Recommend!
Hi lib, Thanks for the great comment. Here are some comments on part of your effort.
I agree. When we compare him with Abe Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Wilson, FDR, Harry, JFK, or even LBJ he comes up really short so far in the heart, vision, imagination, and courage departments.
Probably neither of those. More likely, it’s about his inability to go beyond his comfort zone of pushing the envelope just a little while maintaining his ties with various stakeholders benefiting from the status quo. Boldness is about going beyond the status quo and moving on. He seems unwilling to move on.
I like that expression, but I think he’s been very proactive so far in bringing forward a very broad legislative agenda. What he seems not to be proactive about is guiding Congress through the legislative process.
Some have excused theis by saying that he’s trying to restore the historic role of the legislature. But my question is: restore it relative to what? The pre-Roosevelt (FDR) period? If this is true, then I think he truly is an ass, since for our Government to be able to meet its challenges in the 21st century, we have to rely on the President for leadership.
If the President doesn’t supply it, the other alternative is for the legislature to become dominant and for us to ove towards a parliamentary system. One or the other is necessary, because we need a proactive executive to respond quickly to challenges.
Right. I worry about this too. His advocacy on the stimulus, credit card reform, illegal surveillance, torture and accountability, Iraq and Afghanistan, Guantanamo, bank bailouts, mortgage foreclosure and leath care reform all reflect a willingness to live with endure injustice. I am really disappointed in this aspect. The truth is however, I didn’t get vibes about a really strong moral compass from any of the candidates in the last election with the exception of Dennis Kucinich. I’m afraid that people with a strong moral compass don’t seem to get into politics these days.
lets, thanks for your generous considerations to my points. This was really interesting to me, because it does feel like such a set up, entering the political arena. People with strong ego needs are willing to rise to the occasion to run, especially for such a stressful office as Prez, when we so don’t need someone with the vulnerability and malleability of excessive egoism.
And with the dark and dirty schadenfreude of a callous and now even more corporate manipulated media, the branding of a “stepford” type socially perfect and teflon person with no colorful history seems to be more electable and sadly is a more limited person in terms of strong life experience. I think Van Jones’ exit so quickly. There was a lot of character building maybe in his past that would have been drum beated on and on about by those bottom feeding shock jocks, etc. The way the “spin” can go, a politician has to have a strong hide. And can get pressured and blackmailed to join up with group think, or stifle their integrity either consciously dramatically and sell out or have it eroded by the gated community isolation they live in.
I wanted to back Hillary when Edwards was out and I think she had some solid feminism happening with the loyalty she engendered with women followers. But I also felt she was overcompensating for being female with her political stances with the military (and with the Israel lobby as a senator, too, in NY), and that was so ironic and frustrating and losing me as a humanist and feminist.
I bought into what John Edwards was saying. But I thought something was kind of off during his campaign, and I think by that time the affair had happened and he had lost his stride or was losing it or his leadership was. But Edwards did his homework and I wish Obama would use some of that wonderful homework. Edwards’ anger at the corruption I appreciated and he wanted to talk about the plight of the homeless, the vets, the lower class. Obama rarely went there. Middle class was what he was safely willing to reach out to. Was he also overcompensating to appeal to those, like Hillary, whom he needed to please to be part of the game, to be allowed int their powerful political tree-house that kept many from their background/gender/race, whatever, out? Do you have to sell out to the game to play the game?
It is interesting though, the resilience of a Bill Clinton with his sexual addictions and his compartmentalizing that. And the sexual addictions of the Kennedy men, apparently, that was hidden or minimized.
The chemistry with the press and media. Some can be forgiven anything. Some not. Even how some celebs can walk out among the public and coexist more easily than some celebs who are positively invaded by the hysterical or disrepectful. What is that personal chemistry or role played even within the ranks of the famous? A certain resilience some have, others don’t.
And hypocrisy is so much harder to forgive than those who don’t presume to be superior. But putting yourself out there can invite oneself to be a lightning rod for any people to direct their issues from somewhere else onto the high profile person.
sorry, went on a tangent there. :)
lib, Thanks for the contemplative reply. My latest diary echoes Matt Taibbi’s recent post calling for Elizabeth Warren to run for President in 2012. Now, there’s someone with a moral compass.
There is a documentary about JFK that I haven’t seen yet, which was recommended by the National Security Archive that describes how he faced down the War Hawks and rejected their war recommendations 6 times; Cuba, Laos, Berlin, Vietnam, Cuba again, Vietnam again
Virtual JFK: Vietnam, If Kennedy Had Lived
More here. And trailer here
JFK was a pretty strong guy, alright. Far from a Saint; but he had a pretty strong sense of self, and he seemed to care.
john, thanks for juioy links. will check out! :)
Let’s be real. Obama seeks consensus. All the while being in the pocket of the big MIC and Wall Street players.
There’s nothing subtle here. It’s all in the open.
He is a superb salesman, a la Bill Clinton. But with even less substance, amazingly.
Cut this guy some slack? Try to analyze him? Give me a break.
Hi Art45, I’m not cutting him any slack, am I?
No.
Right. Why should we cut the President any slack? He’s the President the most powerful person in our political system. He wanted the job. He worked his tail off to get it. Now he ought to do what we elected him to do. No excuses.
Ronald Reagan liked, “Run it up the flafpole and see who salutes.” Start with the most outrageous, hardline position imaginable. Then when you accept a compromise position, miles to the right of where the opposition would otherwise have gone, they are relieved, even gratified. They won(something?). And besides, “You’re a pretty good guy after all, Ronny,” is a common refrain.
Apparently President Obama spent too much time as a community organizer (on the bottom, looking up), and does not grasp what he has been handed by history (our reaction to the Dick and Don and Dubya debacle). How can he not see what an opportunity he has been given! Sweet Jesus, he cannot squander it without a gut wrenching disenchantment, and likely as not a retaliatory backlash from his own worshipers. Me included.
Hillary would see, and she has the guts to play hign stakes poker.
Hillary might see, and if I thought she cared I would have voted for her. But I think the Clintons sold out long ago. With Obama I hoped we might get someone who hadn’t sold out, especially since so much of his funding was raised from small contributors on the web.
What really get Me the most about Obama, and that is why I know the people He has surrounded Himself with are the problem, is I tried to give Him some advice. Each time I got a nice reply, but from someone else in the White house.
He never gets His mail, E mails or FAX’s it is looked over and either shit canned, or given to someone else who disagrees with what it says, because it would make them look bad, so they shit can it.
You think Larry Summers want’s Obama to no His advice is wrong, NO! That goes for the rest of them to. When He comes out in a speech and say’s the recovery act is working, and were doing all we can. Do you think those are HIS words. Just like all His comments on healthcare, You think Rahm isn’t telling Him this is the best we can get through Congress.
He has so much on His plate He is forced to listen and trust others because He can’t do it all Himself. His problem is He is listening to the wrong people. His closest friends and advisors are His political team that got Him elected, so He trusts them. His economic team are those supposedly smart people, but ones up to their ears in creating the problems He is looking to fix.
He was a US senator so He trusts the Congress. Biggest mistake of HIs life.
He’s a nice guy, but good leaders are seldom nice guys, ( you know they finish last,) that old saying that is formed in pure truth. Leaders have to have a couple qualitiies smart, forceful, and a thoughness to say what you mean and mean what you say. A leader has to not just speak, but have command of what they are saying, to where people people are steared to act on what You say. Obama talks then they do what ever they wanted when He’s done.
When JFK said were going to the moon, we went to the moon. When Reagan said tear down this wall, they tore down the wall. When Obama said we need a stimulous package, they gave Him the recovery act, which was so full of handouts to the States and big money interests it couldn’t have worked. It hasn’t because we lost more jobs since they passed it than it willsave or create when it’s over.
The truth is that our Government doesn’t work. Didn’t work before Obama, and won’t work with Him. No matter what He does the Congress is our Problem, and the Country seems content on re-electing and electing more politicians to it from both parties, leading to little hope to solve the problem.
Yup, it doesn’t work. We need to change a number of the rules to make it work for us.
You got it, but it will take millions of us to get it, and that means a consenus of thought in millions of people. You can hardly get two people to agree on anything, so it seems a bit futile.
I don’t it’s either futile or impossible. We need a President who takes office with mass support and who continues to mobilize that support in back of progressive initiatives. That’s difficult, but we almost did it this time. If Obama wasn’t afraid of mobilizing popular support it would be going on right now.
I don’t know about You but I get daily E-Mails asking for My support. I reply with all My bitches and reason He won’t get it.
Doesn’t seem to make a difference, but it gets it off my chest.
I think even He knows He lost the toss with the public, and it’s support, and that’s why He’s not pushing it. If You remember He even said He would be content with one term.
This gave the impression that He got the gold ring, and He’ll do what He can, but there is no more gold in fighting unwinable fights.
I hope I’m wrong with all this, but it would make a good bet.
All politicians survey the political landscape and, according to their taste for political risk,set the terms of their political interaction.
Groupthink, however, is a term of art in political science, and is not wholly applicable to what this piece argues:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink
The classic example of Groupthink was the Bay of Pigs invasion by Kennedy. I’m not seeing any sort of Group Think, per this definition, going on under Obama. I don’t agree with many decisions the administration is making, but it does not appear that they are doing so based on fallacies due to insular decisionmaking, rather that they are serving different political interests than I’d like to see.
Hi Marcos, The point of my blog is that there is groupthink with respect to the frame Obama sets for discussion before alternatives are mentioned and selected. Once the frame is set, you can’t question it because that’s considered a waste of time.
In connection with bank bailout, I don’t think receivership for the banks ever received serious consideration inside. On the stimulus, the $1.6 trillion heavy jobs targeted expenditure was never seriously considered. On Afghanistan, the pure withdrawal supplemented with targeted attacks on al-qaeda if they build up in Afghanistan again is off the table. In health care the national heal care and national health insurance alternatives were not part of the Government’s internal discussions as far as we know. Obama restricts the frame first, based on his gut about political feasibility. After that he seeks alternatives and is friendly to conflict and openness.
I’m not sure i’m seeing this. They set the frame on health care to the center right, but that frame has consistently been slipping further left. Sure, Obama has made squishy statements about almost every aspect of the plan, but has taken no steps to pin it down so that his frame is preserved. I think that, contrary to Group Think, Obama is preserving his options rather than imprisoning himself in them.
It seems to me that Obama’s MO is to come out with a position that is not threatening to vested interests, perhaps in order to squelch their opposition, offering a modicum of tepid reform, and to then allow the political currents to draw the debate and his position towards a more liberal or progressive position.
The day is still young. There are many more shoes to drop, such as the deleveraging of commercial real estate, which was leveraged up to 40:1 unlike housing which was only at 30:1. The banks are hardly out of the water and another tsunami wave is known to be on its way.
Yes, Obama frames narrowly and pragmatically, but he and his advisors do not appear to be doing that in order to avoid dissension, and they are able to change the frame when the political debate moves in that direction. They also prefer what appears in public to be a light touch which indicates a proclivity towards pragmatism rather than hard wired stubbornness.
If anything, the first term of Bush II represented Janis-style Groupthink, while the excision of Rumsfeld and marginalization of Cheney in term two saw more pragmatic minds prevail.
If we’re seeing this much effort required to overcome congressional resistance to a kneecapped public option, then how can you blame Obama for framing these debates in a way most likely to deliver what he apparently sees as the greatest return?
I don’t like any of this, but I’m not convinced that short of structural reform which we are not prepared to deliver on, because that remains a minority position here, that there is a more optimal outcome.
Hi, more good comments. I’ll address a couple of them. In reply to my claim that there is groupthink with respect to the frame you said:
I don’t see this. First, Obama made it known that single-payer was off the table, and he and his Administration have refused to discuss it except to dismiss it with platitudes. But second, Obama originally included the possibility of a “robust PO” in his frame. Then he tried to shift things to the right as we moved into the Summer. We’ve fought him on this and so now, he seems to be moving back a little toward the PO, but his frame is not shifting, just his tactics and his position more or less in favor of some form of PO. His frame is where he began. No bill at all is excluded. Medicare for All, single-payer and national health care are both excluded. There’s no evidence that the latter two are given any consideration inside, even though there are two bills in Congress that propose single-payer.
You also said
I can partly agree with this in the sense that he may have that intention. I don’t think it worked very well with health care, since any change threatens the vested interests in this field, and it hardly squelched their opposition. I also think that he tends to come out with non-committal positions of one sort or another and then does try to ride the political currents. However, I don’t think he cares whether the result of this is progressive or not. he just seems to want a bill and to be able to claim a victory. Also, when he does come out with his position, the pattern I see is that in doing so he takes certain alternatives “off the table” relative to the debate that he encourages in Congress and the Public and he uses his media followers, the NYT and WaPo people especially to deliver the message that the things he has taken off the table are not worth discussing or covering. This is how he encourages the groupthink both in and out of the Administration.
You say that Obama frames narrowly and pragmatically. I agree with the narrowly. That’s part of what I’m saying. But I don’t agree with “pragmatically.” He thinks he’s “pragmatic.” But “pragmatic” is what works in the sense that it produces good result. His framing has not done that in health care. He would have gotten a much better result if he had advocated for Medicare for All, pushed for it as hard as could and then backed off if necessary. If he’s done that we could at least be getting a Hacker-type PO now. It is hardly ever obvious what the “pragmatic” choice is. It requires a good forecast about what will work, whch Obama hasn’t had so far as I can tell. On the other hand it’s very easy to discern the “timid choice” and claim that is the pragmatic one, I think that is what Obama has been doing. You said:
I think this is backwards. it has required so much effort to get within striking distance of a knee-capped PO because of Obama’s very framing of the issues with the PO on the extreme left. See this one and many of my other diaries.
“Drown me! Roast me! Hang me! Do whatever you please,” said Brer Rabbit. “Only please, Brer Fox, please don’t throw me into the briar patch.”
“The briar patch, eh?” said Brer Fox. “What a wonderful idea! You’ll be torn into little pieces!”
Not sure, what this is in reply to, but I’m interested in finding out if you’d like to elucidate.
As Obama has come out in lukewarm support of the Public Option, declaring that it is the best way to solve the problem but firmly stating that it is optional and that the progressive base needs to get over it, we’ve seen more movement towards the PO and increasing robustness put onto the table.
So like Brer Rabbit, Brer Obama is saying, about government financed health care, give us individual mandates, give us no cost controls, anything but throw us into the public option briar patch.
I think that the political space was opened more so by the utter capitulation of the GOP to its insane base than by progressive activism.
Public opinion has remained relatively static through the gyrations of who has had the initiative over the past few months. Now that the legislation is entering into crunch time, we’re seeing the Congress conforming its product closer and closer to public opinion.
The public option is more viable now than it was three months ago, and the individual mandate is more watered down than it was then. Insurers have left the reservation, which makes it easier for Congress to meet public opinion.
The progressive caucus under Grijalva has grown a spine, and has put forth the prospect of no bill if there was no PO, and Obama has not called their bluff.
It seems to me that Obama’s intended frame has been moves to the progressive side, and if the trends we’ve seen in that movement over the past few months continue over the next few months into conference, then we’ll be looking at a pretty good bill as the economic analysis on all of these bills all but commands something very close to single payer.
Activists have clearly adapted as well during this time, having found the magic three words: :”Medicare for All,” that have been eluding us in favor of “single payer” and “socialized medicine.
I’d want to think that Obama’s strategery was that this is a very contentious issue, people are going to freak as are vested interests, they will do so in a way that is irrational, and it is better to allow the irrational forces to deligitmate themselves by demonstrating their irrationality than to confront them directly. I’m not sure what his end game was, but that turn of events has opened up space on the left of the debate which had not been there before.
Well, I guess we’re in disagreement over what Obama’s done and what he should have done. But as for “Medicare for All” I’ve been on that one for months now, and again, see this one.
I would also add that Pelosi’s line to constituents has been that HR676 does not have the congressional support to warrant serious consideration, so that impulse to jettison single payer is not just coming from the WH.
Ah!!!! But it came from the White House to Pelosi and to Reid early on. That’s why Pelosi’s been taking that position.
If Obama had said early on that he thought he could sell HR 676, we wouldn’t have had any resistance from Pelosi. And if Obama had called it ‘Medicare for All” and sold it that way, he could have gotten it passed. In my view, the only reason why we don’t have HR 676 right now is because of Obama’s timidity and I do hold him accountable for that failure.
He bungled it because he accepted Rahm’s story that Clintoncare failed because Clinton wrote the bill and Congress wouldn’t accept it. But Clintoncare really failed because those smart alecs wrote a 1300 page bill that no one could understand instead of a simple “Medicare for All” bill that could be easily explained to the public. Now Obama’s made the same mistake again and that’s why we’re in the mess we’re in on this reform.
So far Obama’s bungled the bank bailout, the stimulus package, the credit card reform, and the health insurance reform, and has deliberately tanked FISA and Accountability reforms.
I still like Bam Bam better than Bush no matter how bad He fucks up.
To those who are really upset with Obama, thank your asses that McCain didn’t win. You think nothing is getting done now, and alot of sucking up is being done. Picture McCain and Palin handling our problems. You think a public option would even be talked about or healthcare reform been on the list.
They would be getting all mavericky, and opposing everything, “Oh Shit that’s what ther doing now.”
Maybe 200,000 troops would be heading for Afghanistan, because like He told us He knows how to win.
I guess Osama would be in the bag, because He said He knew where He was and How to get Him.
He would have suspended His presidency and she would have quit to fix our economic problems.
God maybe we voted for the wrong guy. Maybe we can get a do-over like Afghanistan.
Well we’ll get our chance to switch back to the Republicans, and fix all our problems next year. Yea we get those mavericks back in power and they will give us all what we need tax cuts, with no jobs to have our taxes cut from. WE’ll be able to buy health insurance accoss State lines, and get tort reform. Those important issues will be up front gays abortion marrage, and the war on terror, the wars, and ofcourse complete deregulation so the markets are free to do what ever they want.
Boy it will be hard to survive with Obama making all these messes until we can get our great leaders back. We might actually have to live with the Constitution for a few more years, and put up with those pesky rights we suffer with, until they can take more away.
Huckleberry or Palin boy their both so much in tune with America, it will be hard to wait.
Well, I’m certainly glad we have Obama and not McCain. So?