Deficit Hawkism is the ideology that prioritizes bringing tax revenues and Government expenditures into balance ahead of other far more essential national needs and priorities. This “old time religion” used to be the exclusive province of Republicans, and was particularly important in hindering America’s recovery from the great depression of the 1930s and particularly for the do little or nothing activities of the early ’30s that led to the infamous “Hoovervilles,” and other excesses of that period. FDR’s program and the experience of WWII when truly massive deficits finally ended the depression, persuaded most Democrats that eliminating deficits are not a major priority of the Federal Government. However, during the 1970s, President Carter, when running, had criticized President Ford for his failure to control inflation and unemployment. To control inflation, Carter emphasized attempts to balance the budget, prioritizing this ahead of his efforts to reduce unemployment, or pass health care reform, or cope with any other traditional priorities of Democratic Administrations. While he had limited success in both reducing inflation and unemployment, the Democratic Party itself began to emphasize its “fiscal responsibility,” perhaps to align itself with the Administration, and defend itself from Republican attacks on them as the “tax and spend” Party.
When Reagan took over in the 1980s, the emphasis on fiscal responsibility among Democrats increased as they tried to differentiate themselves from Reagan and his deficits, by emphasizing their own conversion to the old-time religion of budget balancing. What an irony! Just when Reagan and the Republicans, practicing “supply-side economics” accepted the notion that controlling deficits was far less important than other priorities, such as cutting taxes, the Democrats were pledging their allegiance to the “old-time” religion, and trumpeting their fiscal responsibility. Prominent Democrats such as Paul Simon, Dick Gephardt, Bill Bradley, Bob Kerrey, and Paul Wellstone, as well as many others, prioritized balanced budgets during the ’80s, and that emphasis continued into the ’90s when the Clinton Administration touted its own deficit reduction efforts. When the Bush 43 Administration arrived, Democrats again found themselves facing a Republican who didn’t worry much about deficits, so they again differentiated themselves from the Administration by emphasizing fiscal responsibility.
And then, September 2008 happened, the banking system fell into crisis, and the economy collapsed leaving the most serious recession since the early 1980s, and perhaps the Great Depression itself. With the collapse of the economy, unemployment rose to nearly 10%, and consumer demand collapsed. It was thought necessary to advance trillions to the financial system, and also to try to stimulate the economy. Both moves involved substantial deficit spending exceeding that of the Bush 43 Administration, and awakening the deficit hawks in the Republican Party like Senators Judd Gregg, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, and George Voinovich. The Obama Administration has been able to fight off the Republican deficit hawks by talking about hypocrisy and their silence during the Bush Administration, while also pointing out that the last President to have a surplus was a Democrat named Clinton.
However, the Democrats are in a bad position to defend themselves against deficit hawkism, since for so many years now, they have touted the importance of fiscal responsibility and deficit reduction. So many of the Democrats have associated themselves with deficit hawkism, that as the immediate economic emergency caused by the collapse of the financial system and the stock market both recede, the Democrats are finding it hard to justify continued deficit spending, since, for years, they have railed and campaigned against it.
When we look back at the history of the nation and the Democratic Party, we can see that its embracing of fiscal responsibility and deficit neutrality has coincided with, and, I think, partly explains its failure to serve its historic economic constituencies: working Americans including poor people and the middle class. It’s hard for the Democrats to push through legislation extending safety nets and economic and social democracy, when every advance must be funded by a tax increase or expenditure cut so that it is deficit neutral. It has been hard for them to pass extensions of health care, or education, or infrastructure, or development of new industries, when every advance has to be subject to the priority of a balanced budget. So Democrats run for office by promising various advances to their constituents, but rarely deliver on promises that will cost money because they’ve denied themselves the possibility of having deficits except for “extraordinary” expenditures on wars, anti-terrorist activities, or total financial collapses. For the last 30 and more years they have played the game of politics with one arm tied behind their collective backs, and, in the process, they have betrayed their historic constituencies.
This brings us up to the present and the situation in which the Democrats find themselves. As I’ve said above, some Republicans started playing the game of deficit hawkism last Spring. Judd Gregg opposed the stimulus and actually advocated the Hoover strategy of doing nothing and waiting for the economy to come back. Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe, on the other hand, cooperated with the Democrats and the Administration to craft a stimulus bill, but they used appeals to deficit hawkism to hold down its size, and by insisting on increasing the percentage of the stimulus going to tax cuts, they insured that the already inadequate stimulus would fail to cover employment cuts in State governments, and also have less impact in the areas of infrastructure and public works stimulus.
Now that the economy is back part way, the Republicans, with the behinds of their campaign contributors already covered by the Government, are increasing their calls for fiscal responsibility, and also so-called moderate Democrats and even some progressives, not to be outdone in their obeisance to the old-time religion, are joining them in this effort. The President periodically makes his own obeisance at the altar of the old-time religion, at great cost to the American people. We see this in the context of the health insurance reform bill, where he has made it known that he wants the bill not to exceed $900 Billion in cost over a 10 year period, and that he also insists that it be deficit neutral according to ridiculous and unreliable forecasts over a ten year period by the CBO.
During the past two weeks, we have seen a veritable eruption of deficit hawkism. Just this week, on October 20:
”U.S. Senator Russ Feingold, a member of the Senate Budget Committee, unveiled major legislation today to cut wasteful spending and institute reforms to control spending going forward. The Control Spending Now Act is a comprehensive plan composed of more than 40 separate efforts to reduce the deficit by more than one half trillion dollars over 10 years and institute reforms to the budgeting and earmarking process to prevent wasteful spending in the future. Feingold’s bill will make Congress tighten its belt, crack down on corporate welfare, curb subsidies to big agribusinesses and other private enterprises and cut other wasteful spending on unnecessary projects.”
The week before, on October 14, ten Democratic Senators led by Evan Bayh, and also including: Mark Udall, Joe Lieberman, Mark Begich, Michael Bennet, Dianne Feinstein, Amy Klobuchar, Mark Warner, Bill Nelson, and Claire McCaskill, signed a letter to Harry Reid, calling on him to: support creating “a special process to deal with our nation’s long-term fiscal imbalances,” asserting that these problems can’t be handled under the regular order in the Senate, and that the special process ought to allow “for deliberation and a vote on a comprehensive package addressing these issues.”
The Senators mention other bills that have been introduced by Senators on both sides of the aisle to handle the deficit problem, and provide the following reasons for wanting this special process. 1) CBO forecasts $10 trillion in additional deficits over the next 10 years. 2) The baby boomers are retiring. 3) The American taxpayer (actually the Federal Government) made interest payments of $250 billion in 2008 to creditors. 4) “Long-term deficits will drive up interest rates for consumers, raise prices of goods and services, and weaken America’s financial competitiveness and security.” 5) Such deficits will also rob us of resources we need to invest “in energy, education, health care, and tax relief for small businesses and middle-class families.” And 6) the bigger our deficits, the more we will have to borrow from foreign creditors to finance our massive debt.
Not to be outdone by the Senators, one of the leading deficit hawks in the Press since the 1970s, David Broder, wrote a couple of columns in the WaPo to alert the public about the need for fiscal responsibility. In the first of his columns, he points out the need to shortly raise the debt ceiling, the record deficit of $1.4 trillion, the Republicans poised to shortly “pounce” on the Democrats for their profligate spending, the Democrats answering by pointing to Republican deficits, and Democrats having no choice but to engage in deficit spending because of the mess left by Bush, the possibility that the partisan bickering will result in a bipartisan agreement on the kind of special process called for by Bayh and his nine colleagues, the support of Kent Conrad and the Republican Judd Gregg for such a bill, the notion that an amendment establishing such a process could get a majority vote in the Senate, the fact that Nancy Pelosi is blocking similar action in the House, as well as additional points suggesting that Obama should not wait until next year to put deficit reduction on the table but, in order to avoid another Perot moment, should undertake it now, because: “people understand that we’re stealing from future generations.”
Broder’s second column then emphasized that in spite of Reid and Obama telling Bayh to “cool his jets,” action on deficit reduction may not be able to wait until next year. His evidence is that the Senate by majority vote of 53 – 47 with 13 Democrats joining every Republican, voted against Harry Reid’s attempt to pass legislation avoiding the scheduled reduction Medicare payments to Doctors. This “Doc fix” has a projected cost of $247 billion over 10 years, and Reid wanted to pass it as a separate bill to avoid its being added to the health care reform legislation and busting the President’s $900 billion limit for that bill. After remarking that Reid’s maneuver is the kind of “sleight of hand” used by both parties to “conceal spending.” Broder concludes:
”But this year the public has finally grown alarmed about the debt being passed on to our children and grandchildren. What Bayh and the others who balked at Reid’s effort to finesse the spending issue understand is that time has run out on schemes that perpetuate the dangerous fiscal policies of the past.
”Economic recovery is job one. But budgetary responsibility is job two, and we can’t afford to delay starting on it any longer.”
All this excitement over budgetary responsibility is most impressive, a real display of maturity, realism, moral rectitude, and tough love for the citizens of the United States. It would be even more impressive if the legislators and commentator involved were poor or middle class people who stood to lose out from this insistence on fiscal responsibility after 8 years of funding of George Bush’s tax cuts, wars, giveaways to the health insurance industry, oil companies, and pharmaceutical companies, and bank bailouts. However, since that’s not the case, I hope I will be forgiven for asking whether all this fiscal responsibility is really necessary, or even desirable, until we reach the point where we can forecast likely inflation due to excessive demand for scarce goods? Right now, we can do no such thing. In fact, all we can forecast, as far as the eye can see, is high unemployment rates, ruined careers and lives, and inadequate demand relative to both inventory and productive capacity — precisely the conditions that deficit reduction will only exacerbate.
The frequent calls for fiscal responsibility are justified only by fairy stories propounded by the old-time religion, which are in no way in accord with the way our modern economy and monetary system works. Indeed, an outbreak of fiscal responsibility in the foreseeable future will only promote a much more rapid decline in the economic capacity and prosperity of the United States, will lead to much more open class warfare, and to our de-evolution to the condition of some third world nations. Taking any serious action to reduce Federal Budget deficits in the foreseeable future is a form of slow national suicide, and is entirely inappropriate for Democrats, the so-called party of the people, to even be contemplating, much less agitating for. In my next diary, I will lay out the reasons why, by analyzing the assertions of both Bayh and his compatriots and David Broder, and showing that they are arrant nonsense.
(Also posted at the Alllifeisproblemsolving blog where there may be more comments)



38 Comments

excellent letsgetitdone, recommended!
i would go even further, and say that given the our current account deficit, the level of debt in the private sector and the fiscal status of state and local governments, any serious attempt to balance our fed budget risks fast national suicide.
imo what ought to differentiate Democrats from Republicans should not be our willingness to tolerate fed budget deficits, but rather our national spending priorities — jobs program for an employed labor buffer stock, repeal of payroll taxes, national healthcare, education,, grants to states, massive investments in infrastructure (human and physical) r&d, and technology to meet our current and future needs, etc. budget deficit reduction is a dangerous distraction and Democrats
likewise, imo Democrats should not favor tax priorities to balance the fed budget. instead we should prioritize stomping on rent, financial parasitism, etc.
is the Democratic party establishment too caught up in the myth of clinton surpluses good / bush deficits bad that they can’t see the problem wasn’t that bushco had fed budget deficits, but rather bushco’s spending and tax policies? we needed deficits after the clinton era surpluses, just not the kind we got with bushco.
let’s say it all together: fed spending is not financed by tax revenue
Thanks selise, Dynamite comment.
I didn’t say that because nations have a certain persistence even while in sharp decline. Even if things become so bad here that the military must be used to suppress the civilian population, that sort of situation could go on for many years before the whole structure falls. I guess I think that democracy in America will be committing suicide, but that the plutocracy could hang around for some time before it falls of its own weight.
You also say:
I very much agree with this as I will say in Part Two. I think the general principle is that Government spending, however much it may be, needs to be evaluated based on its outcomes and benefits to the American people relative to our human values, and that its evaluation should have nothing to do with how well or badly it corresponds to tax revenues, or how much in deficits we’re willing to tolerate. It’s not even a matter of tolerating deficits. It’s a matter of viewing them as irrelevant in the absence of inflation.
In fact, I think the Clinton surplus was actually a negative in that he pulled back on Government spending too fast and left Bush with a mild recession. Bush met the recession with enormous tax cuts for the wealthy having minor multiplier effects, and was aided by the Fed’s loose money policies. We would all have been much better off if Bush had invested the $1.5 trillion his tax cuts have cost on education, and converting to an alternative energy economy.
Lets also say together: Fed spending is financed, in the end, by printing money, not by taxing, or by borrowing from anyone.
Of course, we can choose to finance spending by taxing or borrowing if we prefer to do it that way, but neither choice is necessary because we can always print the money, or as the economists say: “monetize the debt.”
What you miss here is that the US debt is as much that which we use to spend money we don’t have as it is a capital sink for those who export to the US.
The debt is a structural support to ensure that the US can continue to import goods and services at favorable prices and that the dollars earned by trading partners are recycled back into US debt.
If those dollar profits are not recycled into debt, then the currencies of trading partners would need to appreciate accordingly, making their exports more expensive and running that system off the rails.
As Mel Brooks said, “Its good to be the king.”
Hi Marcos, Thanks for the comment. I didn’t miss the import/export issue. That part of the discussion and much else dealing with arguments for balanced budgets will be discussed in Part Two and perhaps Part Three if one is necessary.
selise is correct. It is not just how much we spend but how we spend it. Wasteful and/or unnecessary spending should be cut and redirected into more productive channels. Take the size of our military, for example, and its propensity for goldplated weapons systems or foreign adventures like Iraq and Afghanistan.
I have problems with what Carter and Volcker did but to be fair they were dealing with a traditional recession and using traditional means to manage it. What Reagan did coming off that recession was as unconscionable as it was stupid. It set the conditions for the creation of the paper economy which collapsed so spectacularly in September 2008. I think the collapse of the dot com bubble under Clinton had more to do with the recession at the end of his term than his balancing the budget. Greenspan’s easy money policies would have eased any problems stemming from the balancing program.
I don’t know how much I believe any party or politician’s declaration that they want to be fiscally responsible. It usually comes down to conflicting spending priorities, not any real understanding of long term fiscal health. We are again in a recession but it is not a traditional one. It is deflationary and a tight money supply is exactly how not to address it. Those who advocate fiscal cutbacks are modern day Hooverists. After Obama’s disappointment and betrayal, I look at our elites as a group, not split between Democrats and Republicans, but corporatists all. I also look at the deteriorating fundamentals, our Potemkin stock market, the misallocation of our resources into the most unproductive sectors of our economy, and realize that the coming depression is inevitable. Our elites can not see what’s coming because they refuse to and so they will not react or rather will continue to act wrongly until it is too late.
Jason Linkins over on “Huffington Post” had a funny rehash of the Sunday talk show. Here’s what he said about the appearance of Erin Burnett and Andrew Ross Sorkin on “Meet the Press”.
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/25/tv-soundoff-sunday-talkin_n_332975.html
There is also the role of the debt as vector to force our competitors to pay for the US military which is used to contain and out flank them.
Joe, I can’t wait for part 2. Great analysis! What a gift in life, to have such a great mind and such great writing skills. Deficit Hawkism seems to be (old) religion which now starts to really unite all the countries all over the world, while continuing to strive for global eco-cide. It is the same where I live, and ordinary working people are the ones who suffer. It seems it will not be long before we will be studying the works of Herbert Marcuse and others again, “……where did I put them”? At times I even think we badly need a next, even more severe crisis badly, before we really consider starting to think and act in different ways.
We need “sustainable thinking” so badly. We need creative learning and innovating for sustainability, but our learning is still the same routine, reactive learning, whereby thinking is governed by established mental learning and doing is governed by established habits of action. As Peter Senge said, we need deeper levels of learning and your efforts are a great example of increasing our awareness about…. x, y, z and about the whole. When the dust settles a bit about health care reform, you should consider to combine these stories in a little book; seems to me great material to study for students in politics, health care etc. “A dairy of a blogger, ….…….”
Deficit Hawkism only for Healthcare and Job creation banks and war get unlimited loot! I smell Rahm.
End both wars now would solve the problem just blame Bush, blame the Generals fire a few of them and say we won WW2 in less time if you bozos could not win the wars by now then its time to give up.
So the Obama policy is Modern Hooverism save the banks with Government Money but not the people?
Billions for war as Americans lose their homes?
A tax increase on the richest 5% of Americans would be very politically acceptable if used for jobs. If John McCain wants more war then he gets the majority of the GOP to vote for a tax increase on the rich to pay for it.
I’m afraid I agree with most of this Hugh, with the exception of your comment on Carter and Volcker. They were a train wreck. If Teddy had been President the oil crisis would have been handled with price controls and rationing, not by bringing business to a halt with astronomical interest rates. Unemployment could have been addressed by public works and alternative energy projects. The best thing Carter did was his recognition of the energy problem as a long-term thing and his support for alternative energy initiatives. But his response in this area was still too weak. Carter and Volcker set the table for Reagan. He never would have won without them.
Hi mm, Good for Jason, and thanks for bringing his piece to our attention.
Thanks Henk. Glad you liked the first installment. I’ve been thinking about a book on “deficit hawkism,” as it happens. But there’s so much to write about, I’m having trouble focusing.
Yes, deficit hawkism easily becomes an excuse for not implementing programs you don’t like, while you don’t say anything about balanced budgets when it comes to raising taxes on the rich, not having bailouts, and not having wars whose purpose long ago went by the board. And btw, why are US troops still in Europe? Is there some impending conflict there I’ve been missing? Are the big bad Russians going to start conquering Poland again.? Not that I’m against NATO. I’m all for it. But there’s a difference between having an alliance and stationing American troops permanently in Western Europe.
I’m for ending them both now and blaming Bush, but I don’t know about beating up the Generals. After all, we did go into Iraq with about 25% of the troops we really needed to occupy the country and that wasn’t the Generals fault. You know that relative to total population we have about 1/5 the number of personnel in the Armed forces we had in the Vietnam War? Both wars are under-resourced and over-contracted, another very good reason for ending them. We need to face the fact that America really doesn’t want to fight to a land war in Asia right now. The existential threat to the United States isn’t great enough to justify that.
I wouldn’t say that Obama’s policy is this. But it is Republican policy to use Obama’s insistence on bipartisanship to force him to accept Hooverism and then tag him with it in the next two elections. I know Obama’s awfully bright. But frankly, I think he’s been an inept politician so far when it comes to serving Main Street. If he keeps going this way, by 2012 Main Street could hate him they way they hated Carter.
No war. We really don’t need any more war right now. The world is multi-polar increasingly. We can’t be its policeman anymore.
The economy (house of cards) we lived in up until a year ago is dead, fucking dead. Dependent on consumer borrowing and asset over-valuation. That whole game is pretty much over.
So what will government stimulus spending stimulate? The dead body?
Stimulus spending today will only wind up in the hands of the ultra-rich.
What’s needed, but won’t happen, is across-the-board consumer debt forgiveness.
Without this, the hole only gets deeper each day.
Hey! Lets. Like I said many times. All you mention in your post could have been corrected in one fell swoop. Had Obama proposed a go to the moon type project to get us off foreign oil, and the Money from the Recovery Act been put towards that.
The only and best thing to make the Country Recover is to put the whole Country back to work towards a project that’s money saving, enviorment saving, and job creating.
The Government putting up seed money, and the private sector jumping on the band wagon could, would, and should have made it happen.
And the way they hated Bush I. Saving banks instead of jobs is not popular.
I’ve been using the term “stimulus” very loosely. What I’ve meant by it are any actions by the Government that will lead toward recovery by powering unemployment. From my point of view, In recessions Government should always be focused on getting back to full employment, which I define, in a very old-fashioned way, as 3% unemployment rate. Insofar as consumer debt forgiveness will facilitate reducing unemployment and also redistributing some of the wealth from the financial institutions and individuals who “swindled” the public out of it back to the public I’m all for it.
I certainly think so, but to do it, they needed to break the political power of the financial institutions. This could have been done by recognizing their toxic assets, taking them into receivership, and then breaking them up by selling parts of them off to private capital.
God, that was a stupid choice. Obama seems to lack the ability to kick over the traces. Maybe his extremely upwardly mobile career gave him too much respect for rich people and establishment institutions. Why is it that we can no longer elect people whose opposition to the interests is in their bones? Thinking back, one wouldn’t have thought that of FDR or Harry Truman, but it was true of them. Today it is sooo hard to point to any Democrats who are like that. As for Republicans, fuhgeddaboudit!
*End both immoral and expensive wars, & raise taxes on the top 5% wage earners in this country!*
The sad part is that an excellent analysis like this is even necessary.
I have never been able to comprehend how it is that government borrowing is viewed as a horrible evil by an American public whose jobs and personal lives depend on credit. Isn’t a corporate bond deficit spending? Isn’t a construction loan? Isn’t a mortgage? Aren’t we temporarilly running a deficit when we pay by plastic, even if we pay it all off every month? The major difference that I can see is that, with deficit spending, the government gets a far better rate on the loan.
Debt is bad except when its not. In daily life, borrowing is bad when you borrow for things that are not necessary and do not reliably provide you with a return that offsets the cost of the loan–things like lottery tickets and booze are not things wise people go into debt for. But borrowing to buy a reasonably affordable house makes good sense because you get to live in the house while you pay off the loan and you may even be able to sell it for a modest profit. We all know this.
So let’s apply it to Federal deficits:
* Running a deficit to stagger on in Afghanistan and Iraq for another 3, 6, or 12 months? Return is nill, so this is a bad use of deficit spending.
* Running a deficit to finance Goldman-Sachs’ gambles in the hedge-fund racket? This is just like lottery tickets and thus a bad use of deficits.
* Running a deficit for universal healthcare or preventing climate catastrophe so that we get to live on the planet? Seems like a solid investment to me.
fyi, of interest to readers of this thread. a very nice, and imo important, series of posts (macro econ, post-keynesian MMT variety) at naked capitalism:
Guest Post: Debate on Deficits
Debate on Deficits: A Reply from Rob Parenteau
All Debt is Not Created Equal: Government Debt is NOT the Same as Private Debt
the last one was just posted this morning.
letsgetitdone,
re clinton’s budget surpluses, i agree. imo a big negative. about a month ago paul rosenberg had a very nice series of mostly econ posts at open left (links below) and in response to a comment re clinton’s surpluses, i quoted this bit from godley and wray’s paper, Is Goldilocks Doomed?:
The One Percent Economy–Part Two: The Why
Three Types of Crazy
What Went Wrong-Krugman And Beyond
Understanding the Financial Crisis: Hyman Minsky’s “Financial Instability Hypothesis”
The Crash: Who Saw It Coming–And Why
agree re tolerating (i was just referring to dem politicians actions, not economic reality). but i don’t think fed deficits are irrelevant, if the mosler/wray/mitchell crowd are correct, then fed deficits are necessary. always. although the size will vary (depending on private sector’s desire to save, current account deficit, etc).
also agree re fed deficits do not require borrowing to finance them.
damn. just lost a long comment and links… trying again….
letsgetitdone,
i agree with you 110% re carter and volcker. and not just for stomping on the real economy with crippling interest rates, there was also the change in usury laws (“Monetary Control Act of 1980“). thomas geoghegan wrote about it in harpers (april of this year), Infinite debt: How unlimited interest rates destroyed the economy
the best data i’ve seen (via paul rosenberg) on the financialization of our economy is from Hyun Song Shin’s paper,”Financial Intermediation and the Post-Crisis Financial System.” take a look a fig 4.2 (seriously, take a look. i think it will blow your mind):
it may just be coincidence, but i was intrigued, when i first saw this figure, to see that the changed occurred in Q1 1980 because the “Monetary Control Act of 1980″ became law in march of 1980.
Of course. But it’s important to note that we don’t have to borrow money to run a deficit. That’s our choice. We also dont have to tax to pay back the deficit. That also is our choice. All we really have to do “print the money.” There are no consequences of that as long as their is slack demand. But this sort of discussion will come in Part Two.
Thanks selise. These links will feed right into Part Two.
Thank you very much for feeding me such good stuff selise. I really appreciate it.
Not sure about the Mosler et al view here. If inflation occurs then we may have to withdraw money from the system. We don’t spend it, of course, we just destroy it.
Thanks selise. Just fascinating. A great comment. I remember when Congress repealed the usury laws. I thought they were nuts. Still think so.
you’ve made me realize my comment was inexact. if after a period of too high deficits, inflation is induced (and not from an external price shock or something), then deficit spending would have to go down, but i was thinking that due to our current account deficit, it would be unlikely in the extreme that surpluses would be required.
mostly though, i was thinking about what a well managed fed budget would look like over the long term and unless we were running a current account surplus, i think we would always be running a fed budget deficit.
but you are correct, i should not have written “always” as i did in my comment above. at least not without qualification. the error was mine, what i think i get from mosler et al. is that to have something approaching full employment, without increasing private sector indebtedness, we can’t run fed budget surpluses (at least not given the state of our current account deficit).
it’s great fun for me to get to “talk” with you about these econ issues and share links. during this year i’ve been looking into various heterodox schools and ideas (special focus on those who saw the financial crisis coming and had an analytical foundation to explain why before the fact) a little bit on my own, but hadn’t found much interest from anyone here to discuss them with. don’t know why, but typical response is alternative paradigms out of hand, without even bothering to make the effort to understand (you can see that on the threads of rob and marshall’s posts yesterday at naked capitalism). me, though? i love this stuff (new ideas that upend my unexamined assumptions).
btw, i ordered wray’s book yesterday (three people recommended it to me in the past week!), “Understanding Modern Money: The Key to Full Employment And Price Stability” and i really want to read basil moore’s “Horizontalists and Verticalists: The Macroeconomics of Credit Money“, but the only one i could find was $450.00 used (at that price i wouldn’t even borrow it from the library!) so will have to keep an eye out for it.
my problem is that i don’t have much extra time/energy for all the policy issues that interest me, so i’m trying to prioritize following the health care reform. the econ stuff is a tempting distraction because of all the new ideas and policy possibilities i’m encountering… which reminds me: my apologies again for being so lame in responding to you re the filibuster and nuclear option issue. just not enough time or attention to give it justice right now.