Harry, this is real simple. You’re making the American people pay much too high a price for 60 votes. You’ve got other fish more important than getting 60 votes to fry. The first is that you’ve got to get a strong health insurance reform bill with a PO that will cut costs. The second is that you need to establish your authority as majority leader of the Democratic Party and create party discipline in the Senate.
Let’s look at the second thing first. Throw Joe Lieberman out of the caucus. Tomorrow! If you do, you’ll have no more trouble from Blanche, Mary, Ben, Evan, or any other blue dog again. You won’t have 60 votes for cloture, of course. But let’s be honest. You never needed 60 votes anyway, and you don’t need it now. You can use either reconciliation or the nuclear option to pass reform with 50 + 1 votes. Which brings us to the first, most important, thing you have to do, and that’s pass a good bill for the American people.
One way to do it is through reconciliation. I don’t think you can pass a good bill with a strong PO through reconciliation because of the Byrd rule. But you can pass three bills, one using reconciliation, and the other two using regular order if you follow a three step strategy I’ve outlined in another diary. The sequence is very important. The PO, which is an optional Medicare for All has to get passed first, along with subsidies based on need. The second thing to be passed, is a regulatory bill making it illegal for the insurance companies to do things like denials of coverage, and the rescissions that they’re doing now. The final bill to be passed is one that gives the insurance companies mandates and exchanges, and also opens subsidies to them, so they can compete with optional Medicare for All.
The reason why the sequence is important here, is because once the first bill is passed, the insurance companies are in a real tight spot. If they don’t support the second bill, why would anyone sign up with them ever again, when they can sign up with Medicare and not risk denials and rescissions? So, they can support such a regulatory bill, or lose all their customers “overnight” to the optional Medicare for All plan.
Once the first two bills are passed, then they also must pass the third bill. If they don’t, then once again, they can’t possibly compete with optional Medicare for All because they won’t have mandates or subsidies to help them out and they won’t even have an exchange where they can try to “out-market” the PO. So the end result is that they have no choice at all with respect to the third bill. They’ll have to support it. And the final result is legislation, passed in three bills, that has most of the advantages of the original Hacker-type of PO. The only differences are that there’s no new organization running the PO, because it’s part of Medicare, and also, this way of doing it does provide for the use of subsidies to buy private insurance, something which wasn’t in Hacker’s plan, and which makes this alternative a bit kinder to the companies.
Now, there’s also a second way of arriving at a very strong PO without 60 votes for cloture. It uses the nuclear option, and I’ve also explained it in another diary. Using it, you could pass any version of reform with a really strong PO. For example, one which would provide unrestricted eligibility for the PO, Medicare rates, an exchange with both the PO and private insurers, good subsidies for the needy, mandates, an operational date within a year of passage in time for the 2010 elections. In short, all the features of Hacker’s PO you wanted to include, provided you can get the support of 50 Democratic Senators and Joe Biden.
My own preference here is that you use the second way of proceeding, because if you use it you’ll never have to worry about the filibuster again. Not when you try to legislate in education, or energy, or climate, or the environment, or when you try to pass a new jobs bill, or financial regulation, or restructuring of the financial system. And you’ll go down in history as the man who got the filibuster. Furthermore, you’ll also neuter Blanche, Mary, Ben, Evan, Max, and any others who might otherwise use the filibuster to break party discipline. Do it. It’ll be great. You’ll be able to deliver on the Democratic platform and keep your promises. Your labor unions will love you. Nevadans will love you. Americans across the country will bless your name. And in the end, you’ll be the greatest majority leader since Lyndon Baines Johnson. What do you think of that?
(Also posted at the Alllifeisproblemsolving blog where there may be more comments)



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Can anyone explain this to me? Why are so many discussions and opinions and questions and diaries founded on the assumption that people like Harry Reid are fighting for us; that he/they are on our side.
It’s just the weirdest thing.
Hi David, That’s not the premise of my post. The premise of my post is that Harry wants to hide what he can do for us if he chooses. So, I’m making that public, and, in very plain terms, asking him to do it. Then if he doesn’t comply Nevadans can hold him responsible.
These would be excellent tactical plans if TPTB among the Dems actually wanted real reform and were following a strategy to accomplish that.
Unfortunately, they don’t want reform and have followed the bait-and-switch strategy all along, and that’s what they’re still doing. That’s how they’re going to try to end up with something called a “public option” but which will be gutted and have the opt-out as well.
That’s why I wish everyone would’ve kept up the pressure on the Progressive Block tactic, with the strategy being to block what’s clearly going to be a reactionary bill and start over again with single-payer as the baseline. (What the big legislative push is going to be next year still looks up for grabs.)
What has been accomplished in this round is to make it absolutely clear to the people that the enemies of reform have NOTHING but greed and fearmongering to offer. The people have already seen and rejected these.
It’s been laid bare how the insurance racket is nothing but a gang of gutter thugs leeching off the beleaguered populace, while their supporters in Congress are nothing but hired flunkies.
So if it were up to me, I’d say the groundwork has been done as far as making the issue and the nature of the enemy clear, so now the time is right to make the affirmative push for single-payer as the only real solution.
I agree and think that progressives should be telling people like Reid and Pelosi that the bills they’re considering are worth than no bill at all, and that they will vote against them. I also think that one of the progressives in the Senate should initiate the nuclear option (NO), when the Republicans try to filibuster the lousy compromise bill. The objective there would be to get a ruling from the Chair and a vote ending the filibuster. At that point, if the vote ending the filibuster succeeds, the progressives will need only 51 votes to pass Amendments to Reid’s bill. That would give them an opportunity to amend it by substituting HR 676 or S 703, both single-payer bills. The amendments might fail, but progressives would get an up or down vote on it.
Joe, what more can you do? You clarified the process for Harry and earlier you’ve clarified the content, what a strong PO actually means. Thanks for all your efforts. Let’s get it done! Let’s get this filibuster and start managing for change and for the transition of this nation, with all these wicked problems in sectors like health, energy, education, transport etcetc. This flatland is all about systems without humans. Let’s give humans their rightful place again, with fairness and justice for all Americans, with fair outcomes, fair procedures and fair interactions. Are Democrats up to this task, are they able and willing? Do they have the courage for such a transition? But then again, there really is no choice, they will have to grow and rise to the occasion, as the moment is NOW!
Thanks, Henk. I don’t know if they’re ready. All I and others can do is to keep exposing the reality and the possibilities and not let them hide behind rationalizations. That’s why all the fury at Joe Lieberman and the previous outburst of rage at State opt-out were, to some extent, mis-directed.
Here’s another outrage. Jon Walker says this morning: (http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/)
Nancy couldn’t find the votes for a PO using Medicare + 5% even though it would have saved the $85 billion, and also saved the average family $1400 per year.
At the beginning of this debate the term PO meant a public plan available on Day 1, open to all Americans, using Medicare Rates and Medicare providers, and supported by subsidies only for the public plan. Mandates and exchange would be part of the scheme. Now we have mandates, an exchange, subsidies for both private and PO, open to only the uninsured and the unemployed, and operative sometime in 2013. In other words an emasculated plan. The bill is 1990 page monstrosity. Who knows what surprises and unintended consequences lurk within it?
This morning Dennis Kucinich announced his opposition. I don’t know if any other “progressives” will join him. The progressives got two things from Pelosi. An expansion of Medicaid, and also increased taxation on higher income people to pay for it. Now, the bill will likely have added more people to Medicaid, a single payer plan, which isn’t nearly as successful as Medicare, than it will be in the public plan over the first five years. This bill is a travesty, a giveaway to the insurance industry, and, at this point unless we howl very strongly, and perhaps even then, progressives, who have more than enough votes to defeat it will fold their tents claim it is better than nothing and then vote for it.
Let’s go get ‘em. Tell ‘em to beat this bill and come back next year with HR 676, Medicare for All, single payer.
if reports are correct, the house is in on the po bait and switch too: medicare+5 stripped from house bill. my comment on it’s significance is at jon’s post:
Thanks. My comment is just above. I’m waiting for the outrage here.
Harry keeps saying Lieberweasel will do the right thing. He’s the one who welcomed Him with open arms after being a defector in the last election.
So who is to blame for this. DEAR SWEET HARRY.
Our problem is that we think all of these people are working for us. HA! HA! HA!
Even if they get something passed it will be far short of what’s needed. WE! and they will celibrate, and we will pat them on the back, re-elect them, and suffer and pay for all they did.
It’s like getting stabbed in the back, then on your knee’s and thanking the guy who stabbed you. PLease, Please, please, stab me again, it was so invigorating. I needed that.
I’m not thanking them. Nancy folded again.
It was good to see Reid and others mention reconciliation yesterday. I agree, lets, the options need to be on the table.
Thanks. How about promoting this one then? It’s about to go off the diary list.
I like the nuclear option. If passed with the nuclear option, that means it can be repealed with the nuclear option when GOP takes over in 2010. No need to worry about justifying using the nuke option when the thing first came in with it. Out it goes with the Nuke!
Of course, if we pass something good using the NO, then you won’t get the White House or the Congress back for 20 years, so we won;t have to worry about you in 2010. -:) In any case, I believe decision in the Senate should be made by majority vote, so I’m not afraid of 50 + 1 votes whoever is in the majority, even you “foot dragging, knuckle dragging, neanderthals.”
Oh, you must be a fan of the circus and that clown Grayson.
Dream on about passing the thing keeping the majority! With all of the taxes and none of the real benefits until 2012, there ain’t gonna be much joy to spread before 2010.
In other words, lots of complaining but no payoffs to buy the votes.
Besides 60/40 it all goes down because Democrats can’t agree.
I am a fan of Grayson, all right. He really knows how to talk to you guys and gals. Apart from that, however, I’m against this bill as it is. I want to defeat it for the very reason you suggest. Those benefits have to be there in 2010. That’s why I want the NO. If we need only 50 + 1 votes to get this through, then we can get a better bill.