Congressman Alan Grayson (D-FL) is justly famous for saying that the Republican health care plan is for people to go ahead and die quickly when they get sick. But, a few days ago, in an appearance on Ed Schultz’s MSNBC show, he expressed his approval of Nancy Pelosi’s bill as “the only show in town” right now, and as “a good bill” that saves money, and he incorrectly claimed that the bill would save "the 44,000 lives" lost annually, that it would provide universal coverage, that its subsidies would start immediately, and make insurance immediately affordable (when he must know very well that the only reason why the bill is deficit neutral is because subsidies won’t start until 2013), and that it was “the only way we can save American lives.” Alan apparently doesn’t think that the same moral outrage he expressed at Republican intentions with respect to health care reform is merited with respect to the House bill.
However, if his moral outrage was based, as he claimed, on the occurrence of nearly 45,000 fatalities per year resulting from the present system, then it’s hard to understand why he wouldn’t feel nearly as outraged about the expected continued loss of 31,000 lives per year in the band-aid period before 2013, the date that the exchange, the public option, the mandates and the subsidies are due to be implemented. Does moral outrage and immorality end, and pragmatism begin somewhere between 45,000 and 31,000 deaths per year, or going beyond the band-aid period between 45,000 and 11,000 (the deaths we can forecast if 11,000,000 remain uninsured)?
Candidly, I was very disappointed to see Alan fold so quickly, and transform himself into one of Pelosi’s erstwhile supporters on this issue. I was even more disappointed, however, to see him make such blatantly untrue statements as those quoted earlier. The House bill, even if passed, exactly in its present form, won’t” provide universal coverage, but will fall short, even according to CBO’s charitable forecasts by 11 million people. Also, it is not the only way we can save American lives. “We” in the “person” of the Democratic Party in the House can try to pass HR 676, enhanced Medicare for All, if it chooses to do so. If that fails it can follow the three-step strategy I’ve outlined here, which would produce a very strong public option in the form of extending a Medicare option to everyone to take into the Conference Committee process.
Alan also lets us know that even though this bill is not perfect, we can always make it better later. Yet in the next breath he says he must vote for it because he doesn’t know what will happen later and whether the Republicans will take over again. Which is it? Can we come back later, or can we not?
It can be both, of course. If we pass a good enough bill now, then the Democrats will win the next election, and we can come back again to make the reform even better. But, on the other hand, if the bill is not good enough, then we may not get another chance (unless people get very frightened next year), because we’ll be voted out, and the Republicans and blue dogs will shut efforts at reform down. So, we come back again, to the issue of whether the present bill is good enough to give us a chance to make it better. As I’ve argued, I don’t think it is, and I even think it is an immoral bill, because it leaves us with too many deaths and too many people still in bankruptcy and foreclosure.
In his interview with Grayson, Ed Schultz calls him a “tell like it is guy.” But this performance didn’t tell it like it is. Instead, it shaded the truth, or distorted it emphatically, in saying what this bill would do. It especially failed to distinguish what would happen immediately, from what would happen in 2013, and it was particularly egregious in not owning up to the fact that if this bill passes we are still looking at a very substantial number of deaths annually, from lack of insurance, until 2013. And that even thereafter, for the remaining years of the first decade we would be still be faced with substantial, though a lesser number of, fatalities.
In addition, Grayson glossed over the whole issue of the increasing cost of health care as a percentage of GDP. The period from now until 2013 promises to be one in which private health insurance premiums will rise from 40-50%. The House bill does almost nothing to stem this tide, and the effect of the PO in the bill after 2013 is very uncertain, since its small size and exposure to adverse selection promises to raise its premiums and ensure that it will be less successful in forcing private insurance premiums to fall through competition.
In the end, I think Alan Grayson’s spinning of this bill is “not telling it like is,” but yet another attempt by a politician to frame what the House is doing as its members would like us to see it, and to avoid giving us an honest picture of what the bill would and would not do. Grayson is telling the truth when he says that the bill would save lives and make insurance more affordable for those without insurance. But he is not letting us know that it won’t save enough lives, or insure enough people, or lower or stabilize private insurance costs as the years pass. So the question remains, is the bill good enough to vote for, or should progressives block it? I think they should block it and confront Obama and the blue dogs with the possibility of no bill at all. In the end, they have far more to lose personally then the progressives do, so that is the best way to get them to come around to a bill that will end the deaths, bankruptcies, and foreclosures, due to America’s nightmare health insurance non-system.
(Also posted at the Alllifeisproblemsolving blog where there may be more comments)



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I remember reading some caveats early on about Grayson, that as good as he was rhetorically, he was not a member of the Progressive Block and his actual policy preference was unknown. So this doesn’t take me by surprise.
I guess he’s a really good anti-Republican attack dog but at least for now more of a party hack on policy.
I’m not normally a glass-half-full guy, but in his case I’ll remain focused on his public attack persona, which is the thing most lacking these days.
I agree with your broader point, it would be best to kill this bill. But it looks like in the end it’s not just Grayson bowing to party hackery, but the Block itself is caving in. At least, I haven’t been hearing about it as a going concern. I’ve even seen sneers that they’re now going to be content with having gotten a White House audience and pat on the head, and just feel validated by that.
If so, I guess that means the scoffers were right all along. Once again, real progressives just don’t have the spine to stand up for themselves and really follow through to the end, no matter how contentious.
Or maybe these aren’t real progressives. Dennis has been complaining very loudly.
Progressives confuse standing up and making some jibes against the right with being a lefty all the time.
From a take it or leave it point of view (or as he says “the only show in town”) it’s better than nothing except for the opportunity cost of all the money thrown at the insurance industry. That makes them stronger and the rest of us weaker and makes real reform less likely.
But politics isn’t played that way and passing this bill is not the only show in town. The other show is when the progressive block (which doesn’t include Grayson) derails the bill and thereby forces Obama back to the start. At that point he’ll have to go for something better (unlikely) or just a much smaller bill that eg won’t have a huge tax hike on the poorest and a huge insurance give-away but will fiddle with something like getting more kids health care. Anything he can call a win. Either result would be better and frankly I’d much prefer to watch the show where the so-called progressive block actually fights for what they claim to believe in.
I agree very much with you about this. See this.
Agree with you, as usual.
Yep, let the PO and IM cancel one another out and force business practices regulation on the insurers without a captive customer base.
Right. See my reply to David above.
Again, great post Let’s. Grayson is a loose cannon that often hits the target spectacularly, but can just as easily misfire. I agree with Dave and Russ above. At this stage the best play would be for the Prog caucus to step forward and vigorously EXPLAIN WHY this bill is a worse- than -nothing turkey. It would make them look more muscular and present a rare, teachable moment for the American public.
I nearly collapsed when I saw Howard Dean and Grayson coming out for the bill on the same day. It was hard not to believe we were cooked at that point.
We probably are cooked. But progressives in teh House have enough numbers to kill this bill. Let’s make it clear to them that we know that and that we want them to kill it and to take advantage of this teachable moment. They’ve got to use “the progressive power of no.”
Sometimes its good to say “no” just for its own sake. The progressive block made the threat and if they fail to follow through they will be taken less seriously in the future (if that is even possible). Using power gets you more. If they said “no” they would be in a better position for other issues coming down, such as the environmental bill, and of course the next time health care is revisited, which will have to be soon (“once in a generation” is utter bullshit) since the increases in insurance costs will not be controlled, and will force this issue to be brought up again, probably in the next presidential term, just as Kucinich has said.
David, I entirely agree, and especially that once in a generation is BS. It was that way in the 90s because Clinton made a decision not to try again. We need to defeat “ObamaCare” and then get Congress to try again.
thanks lets. i agree and am sooooo tired of spin. pols and others who attempt to spin me are telling me not to trust them. that is the message i take home.
p.s. completely OT, but possibly of interest to lets
Thanks for your comment selise, and thanks also for the link which is of great interest to me. I’ve got some unfinished business with deficit hawkism.
Selise made the point I was going to concur with.
And YES, the bill -as it now stands- SHOULD be defeated. the ‘Progressives’ already have caved in on so many issues, this should be their ‘line in the sand’.
Oh, and BTW, I got an email from Wexler asking to contribute to Graysons relection campaign.
Hi ubetchaiam, I got one from two sources. I would have contributed if he had kept the faith on this bill. But now that he’s folded, no chance. This morning I also got an e-mail from Bian Johns of the Virginia Organizing Project. Their note said:
The note followed with an appeal to support the House bill as written with concrete action. I replied:
Brian replied as follows:
Notice how he ignores what I said about the group’s appeal and its false claim and then gives me the famous “yes, but . . .” reply that PO advocates have been trained to give to SP advocates. The reply rings very hollow now that PO advocates have sold their souls for the piddling PO Pelosi now proposes to give them. Notice also “Our committee feels . . . ” No explanation of why they feel that way. But a hint in the next question: “I really appreciate your thoughts and wonder what you think would happen if this is defeated?”
The question indicates that these folks are afraid that failure to pass any health care bill would be a defeat they could not recover from. That is, they’re scared to do the right thing, or to advocate for the right thing. That’s why they can always be rolled by the blue dogs and the Administration. When you’ll take anything as long as it’s a bill, then you’ll get anything, the most meager gruel to eat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I answered the reply in this way:
Many progressives organizations are scared. They’re always running scared. I think of Yeats:
It’s time to stand up for our beliefs and try our best to get it. Most progressives agree that Medicare for All, single-payer is the best alternative. We need to fight for it, at long last.
fabulous replies letsgetitdone. thanks for giving him hell!
Thanks selise. I find myself increasingly inclined to give them just that. You remember what Harry said: “I tell ‘em the truth, and they think it’s hell.”
LOL. me too. i’m just not so eloquent.
selise, You gave ‘em enough hell to shut down the comments. It was terrific.
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Thanks marcos. Are you fired up?
Yep, it is always easier to kill something in a Democracy than to pass something.
Maybe that filibuster will come in handy!
LOL. OK, that was funny!
Maybe our using it will convince those jerks to get rid of it.
OK…As a supporter of HR 676, I wonder whether, if there is a po, people get enrolled and it turns out to be really good value, the scare over publicly administered health care lessens, it becomes a familiar concept, maybe people start demanding broader access to the PO. Camel’s nose idea. Is that a possible scenario? If not, I totally agree that the Progressives should defeat this bill.
marcopolo, First of all, the PO will be too long in coming since it will be operative only in 2013. Second, when it does come, it will be restricted only to the uninsured. Current estimates are that only 6 million will enroll in the PO during the first 5 years. That means that even in 2018, only 6 million Americans will have experience with the PO, and that PO, because of its small size, and the likelihood that those enrolled will be disproportionately old and sick due to the cherry-picking of the privates, is likely to cost more and to have a less inclusive network of providers than its BCBS, United and other major private competitors. This bill emasculates the PO. We will be lucky if it even survives until 2018, and that assumes that a Republican victory in 2012 and/or in 2016 don’t lead to a Presidency that guts the PO entirely.
In short, I think the probability that the PO will work in the way you suggest is vanishingly small, and small enough that we are much better off seeing if we can negotiate a bill that regulates the insurance companies and cuts out mandates and subsidies, in return for killing the PO until next year. Such a bill would represent true progress in regulating the companies, but there would be no mandates or subsidies for the insurance companies. Then we can engage against next year, and push for full-blown Medicare for All.
Ah! Grayson. The only show in town, is the only show in the house.
The house may become a shed when the Senate is done.
We seem to forget that when the House and Senate bills go to reconciliation, nothing will be the same.
The final outcome, will be the final outcome, and that may be to none of our expectations.
Right. It will most likely be worse. But if we make a big enough stink between now and then it can be better.
I hope.
I don’t think I agree, letsgetitdone, with this idea of trying to kill the House bill. Generally, I take a pretty simple view of whether to favor or oppose legislation. If it will help, then support it. I think the House bill would help many uninsured people, though it will do nothing to reduce costs. What we need to do is just make it clear that it’s not adequate and much more will be necessary. I see this as hard, but less hard than trying to kill the bill first and then do the same thing.
However, on the Senate bill I am not so confident about this. In fact, to be honest I have not studied the Senate Finance bill as much the House bill, which probably was a mistake on my part. It seems possible that the merged bill will be a shipwreck.
Anyway, the bulk of the effort should be independent of whether this bill passes: whatever the outcome, we need to keep pushing for single payer and a less profit driven health care system.
Did you oppose Jane Hamsher’s whole plan to make the progressive block commit to voting down a bill with no robust public option then?
The progressive block made a lot of fuss and campaigned for donations on the basis of that promise to vote a certain way. If they now renege they are branding themselves as pushovers to their enemies and their friends.
Your remarks really only make sense if there was only going to be one vote ever in congress and this is the one vote. But there’s a future to consider here. Reputation and power to be earned or lost.
Exactly.
Well, in the first place, what is a “robust public option”? In my view, and for example the view that T.R. Reid takes, is that a robust or strong public option was never even on the table. The current “public option” is either a complete farce (the current House bill) or very weak (HR 3200).
In reality, I think what are you asking is whether I support downing a bill that lacks a weak, scrawny public option. And the answer is: maybe. Because a weak, scrawny public option is just not the defining characteristic of any bill. There are a lot of other characteristics, particularly things like Medicaid and the bill’s funding sources.
As to your comment about there being only one vote, I think actually that is the criticism I would make of this whole idea of killing the bill. Why kill a bill that will help people? Is this going to make passing a better bill easier? I am not confident of that. It might make it harder.
The central point is that the effort should be mostly independent of this bill. When they asked David Himmelstein how Congresspeople should vote on it, he said “abstain.” He didn’t say oppose. I think we should avoid getting very entangled in all this mess and shoot for our goal.
khin, One needs to evaluate a bill by all its consequences, including its consequences in aiding further reform, or destroying the prospects for it. This bill will be judged a failure and a sell-out, so we won’t get the chance to go further. Ultimately, that will cost more lives than killing the bill and forcing the President and the blue dogs to give us something that is minimally satisfactory.
Now notice that I’m not opposed to a minimalist bill that just makes the worst abuses of the insurance companies illegal. That’s an unambiguous improvement in 2010, and we can return in the new session to legislate the rest of what we want. But this comprehensive bill commits us to a lot of bad things over a long period of time and that mortgages the future of reform.
I think that we should point out exactly the failures you describe. This bill has a lot of weaknesses; we should point out the weaknesses and explain why single payer and a less money driven medical system would be better. But that’s not the same as saying kill the bill. I think we have to have faith that people can hold in their heads a picture that is that complicated, where yes, this bill is terribly flawed, but still an improvement.
I don’t know how this bill will be judged. It’s not clear to me that it will be seen as a failure and a sell out. Maybe. But we can hedge our bets by just telling people the full picture, complicated or no.
khin, We can’t get through easily in the short run. But more important than that if the progressives kill it they smack the President, Rahm, and the blue dogs upside the head, and say, we can block what you want to do, so you have to compromise with us. When they start talking about the compromise we tell them what that is. If they want something immediate and won’t do HR 676 then we propose the three-step strategy I outlined a few months back. That will provide a better PO than Hacker’s almost immediately.