We’ll see many policy analyses and evaluations of Nancy Pelosi’s compromise health care reform bill as it gets closer to a final vote. This one won’t be thorough, since the bill is one of daunting length (1990 pages) and complexity, and I haven’t had the time to do a really detailed analysis. But I’ll do the best I can now, because enough detail is available to get a general impression of the bill, and evaluations that are timely are sorely needed, if only to feed the very essential debate that must go on before such a consequential bill becomes final.
The thing that sets this bill apart from most, is that it specifies two distinct periods in which the legal structures created by the bill will be different. The first period is from January 1, 2010 to the date in 2013 when the exchange, the public option, the mandates, the subsidies, and the outlawing of denials due to preexisting conditions become relevant, and the period thereafter, when most of these conditions take effect, and when eligibility for the exchange and the public option will be gradually expanded.
I’ll begin this analysis and evaluation with the first “band-aid” period. Speaker Pelosi’s office has conveniently produced a list of 14 provisions that take effect immediately. There are three categories of provisions: those mainly focused on addressing the problems of coverage and cost we see in the present system, provisions which provide “goodies” to Medicare recipients, and provisions providing miscellaneous “goodies” to sub-groups in the population, or address long-term but not the current central issues of health insurance reform.
Coverage and Insurance Cost Provisions
”2. IMMEDIATE HELP FOR THE UNINSURED UNTIL EXCHANGE IS AVAILABLE (INTERIM HIGH-RISK POOL) — Creates a temporary insurance program until the Exchange is available for individuals who have been uninsured for several months or have been denied a policy because of pre-existing conditions.”
A recent Harvard study estimated that nearly 45,000 deaths annually are due to lack of insurance. The question that needs to be addressed here, is how much this figure is likely to be reduced during the “band-aid” period before the exchange and the PO are operative? It is a question I can raise, but cannot answer accurately at this point. It’s clear from the bill that the uninsured entering the risk pool will be able to buy private insurance at a cost no greater than 125% of the rate being offered by the insurance companies to individuals. For someone losing employment and work-related coverage, the cost of individual insurance, apart from the 25% increase, would be a great financial burden. People already seriously ill, will do all they can to get the insurance, since those in the risk pools can’t be denied insurance due to preexisting conditions. However, those who are healthy won’t have a mandate forcing them to buy insurance until the exchange is available in 2013. So they may well risk not having coverage. If they do take the risk, and get sick, they can always get coverage, but the bill doesn’t provide for immediate entry into the pool for the sick, and as far I can tell at this point, there will be a wait of up to 6 months before they get in, a wait that can well be fatal, or that can greatly exacerbate the severity of their illness, and the prognosis for recovery.
So, realistically, we have to ask how many people will actually sign up for the high risk pool. Right now there are 47,000,000 people without insurance. Roughly 0.1% of them die every year. CBO estimates that 36 million of the 47 million will eventually be covered once the exchange is established. But how many will enter the high risk pool and be covered before the exchange is established? I’m going to conjecture that because of the absence of a mandate, the paperwork involved in applying, and the cost, absent subsidies of individual private insurance, we are likely to see no more than 1/3 of the uninsured get insurance before 2013. This is admittedly a guess, and if anyone has a more reasonable conjecture about the percentage involved, I’d be interested to see it. But, using the 1/3 guesstimate, roughly 31,000,000 will still be uninsured in the band-aid period. That period will be at least 3 full years and may also involve part of 2013, depending on how quickly the exchange can be established in that year. Assuming the exchange might be ready halfway through 2013, there would then be 3.5 years in the band-aid period. At the beginning, it will take time for people to enroll in the high risk pool and get insurance, so less than 1/3 of the uninsured will be covered. At the end of the period, many more than 1/3 may be covered. I have no easy way to estimate these details, so I’ll use 1/3 covered and 31,000,000 uninsured as an average for the whole 3.5 year band-aid period. Since roughly, 0.1% of the uninsured die every year due to lack of insurance, I estimate that this legislation, over the whole band-aid period leaves 108,500 to die from lack of insurance. An amount equal to thirty-six (36) 9/11 tragedies. Is this a price we can afford to pay in order to make the reform bill deficit neutral over the period 2010-2019? This is a central question that legislators who claim to care about the well-being of the American people have to address before they pass this bill.
Congressman Alan Grayson (D-FL) is justly famous for saying that the Republican health care plan is for people to go ahead and die quickly when they get sick. But, a few days ago, in an appearance on Ed Schultz’s MSNBC show, he expressed his approval of Nancy Pelosi’s bill as “the only game” right now, and as “a good bill” that saves money and lives, and he incorrectly claimed that the bill would save "the 44,000 lives" lost annually. It’s fair to assume that he doesn’t think that the same moral outrage he expressed at Republican intentions with respect to health care reform is merited with respect to the House bill. However, if his moral outrage was based, as he claimed, on the occurrence of nearly 45,000 fatalities per year resulting from the present system, it’s hard to understand why he wouldn’t feel nearly as outraged about the continued loss of 31,000 lives per year in the band-aid period. Does moral outrage and immorality end, and pragmatism begin somewhere between 45,000 and 31,000 deaths per year, or going beyond the band-aid period between 45,000 and 11,000 (the deaths we can forecast if 11,000,000 remain uninsured)?
”3. BANS LIFETIME LIMITS ON COVERAGE — Prohibits health insurance companies from placing lifetime caps on coverage.”
This one looks like a good reform that should certainly make a difference in the number of bankruptcies and home foreclosures resulting from medical bills. But it won’t end them because of the effects of deductibles, co-pays, and the cost of drugs that insurance won’t pay for.
"4. ENDS RESCISSIONS — Prohibits insurers from nullifying or rescinding a patient’s policy when they file a claim for benefits, except in the case of fraud."
An unambiguously good provision that eliminates one of the worst injustices in the present system and does so immediately.
”5. EXTENDS COVERAGE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE UP TO 27TH BIRTHDAY THROUGH PARENTS’ INSURANCE — Requires health plans to allow young people through age 26 to remain on their parents’ insurance policy, at the parents’ choice.”
This one should prevent increases in the number of uninsured, since fewer young people in school will be swelling the ranks of the uninsured before they get jobs and have employer-based insurance available.
”9. IMMEDIATE SUNSHINE ON PRICE GOUGING — Discourages excessive price increases by insurance companies through review and disclosure of insurance rate increases.”
Now, why is it that whenever Congress deals with large corporations, it seems incapable of just mandating behavior, specifying criminal penalties, and subjecting corporate executives to the penalties of the law? What’s this nonsense about discouraging “excessive price increases” through sunshine. A lot of good that’s done in persuading the credit card companies who have had plenty of sunshine lately, from raising interest rates way beyond the levels of usury, and into loan shark territory. If we don’t want “excessive price increases,” by the insurance companies in the band-aid period, why not just define them, prohibit them, and specify criminal penalties for individuals working for corporations who violate the law, and enormous fines for the corporations themselves? The fact that the House won’t do that sort of thing to corporations and their employees who have been “murdering people by spreadsheet” by the thousands, and also driving a million others into bankruptcy and foreclosure each year, is the kind of thing that convinces people that Congress and the Democratic Party are just playing games, and really have no interest in protecting working people from rapacious corporations. To stop stealing we make it illegal, and prosecute the criminals doing it. To stop the corporate protection and extortion racket called private health insurance, we also need to make the extortion illegal and to prosecute and imprison the executives who are dictating price increases that exceed inflation.
Medicare-related “Goodies”
”1. BEGINS TO CLOSE THE MEDICARE PART D DONUT HOLE — Reduces the donut hole by $500 and institutes a 50% discount on brand-name drugs, effective January 1, 2010.”
”6. ELIMINATES COST-SHARING FOR PREVENTIVE SERVICES IN MEDICARE — Eliminates co-payments for preventive services and exempts preventive services from deductibles under the Medicare program.”
”7. IMPROVES HELP FOR LOW-INCOME MEDICARE BENEFICIARIES — Improves the low-income protection programs in Medicare to assure more individuals are able to access this vital help.”
”8. PROVIDES NEW CONSUMER PROTECTIONS IN MEDICARE ADVANTAGE — Prohibits Medicare Advantage plans from charging enrollees higher cost-sharing for services in their private plan than what is charged in traditional Medicare.”
It’s clear that these provisions are there to give something to people over 65, so that they will have more positive feelings about the “reform bill,” and to be able to claim that it strengthens Medicare. Having said that, it’s hard to understand, from the perspective wanting to do right by Seniors, why the doughnut hole is not just completely eliminated immediately. Of course, the answer to this question, is the need to keep the bill deficit neutral. To progressives who either 1) don’t believe that deficits are anything to worry about during near depressions, or 2) think that the current income tax system is much too regressive and that wealthy people pay far less than their fair share, this reason for keeping the doughnut hole, and only gradually reducing it between 2010 and 2019 is far less than compelling. To speak plainly, this half-hearted attempt to close the doughnut hole, will seem like another decision Congress has made which is over-solicitous of the interests of well-off people at the expense of people over 65.
Miscellaneous “Goody Bag” Provisions
These together constitute a “goody bag” that eases various aspects of the health care reform problem. None of them is particularly momentous, but together they could help a substantial number of people. This “goody bag” makes it harder for progressives to oppose this bill. It includes the following items.
”10. CONTINUITY FOR DISPLACED WORKERS — Allows Americans to keep their COBRA coverage until the Exchange is in place and they can access affordable coverage.”
”11. CREATES NEW, VOLUNTARY, PUBLIC LONG-TERM CARE INSURANCE PROGRAM — Creates a long-term care insurance program to be financed by voluntary payroll deductions to provide benefits to adults who become functionally disabled.”
”12. HELP FOR EARLY RETIREES — Creates a $10 billion fund to finance a temporary reinsurance program to help offset the costs of expensive health claims for employers that provide health benefits for retirees age 55-64.
”13. COMMUNITY HEALTH CENTERS — Increases funding for Community Health Centers to allow for a doubling of the number of patients seen by the centers over the next 5 years.”
”14. INCREASING NUMBER OF PRIMARY CARE DOCTORS — Provides new investment in training programs to increase the number of primary care doctors, nurses, and public health professionals.”
Items 11 and 14 are certainly good features of the bill, but they don’t address immediate health insurance problems. Items 10, 12, and 13 help to alleviate current hardships. But it’s fair to say that they are band-aids that won’t have a substantial effect on the number needing insurance. So rather than being key elements in a solution to the problems of universal coverage, or insurance and pharma costs, they are expedients that are there to alleviate the hardships of some during the band-aid period.
Evaluation
In evaluating the band-aid period aspect of the House bill, there are a few key points that really stand out. First, the very fact that there is a “band-aid” period is a grievous problem with this bill. It does two things. First, it ensures that there will still be roughly 31,000 fatalities per year during the band-aid period, a total of 108,000 dead throughout the period, still 2/3 of the present number of fatalities forecast without a bill. To the people who have no insurance and who will die because they don’t have it, the House is saying: “help is on the way: just hang on until 2013, or alternatively you can pay the enormous cost of individual health insurance in the high-risk pool – if you can afford it before the subsidies kick in.”
Second, the “sunshine provision” in the band-aid period, rather than persuading us that it will be effective in meeting the problem of insurance cost increases, is so weak that it tells us the opposite: namely, that Congress is just giving lip service to the idea that insurance cost increases must be regulated and minimized during this period, and that we can probably expect insurance cost increases of between 40% and 50 % over the band-aid period. So, during the band-aid period, this bill does almost nothing to address the problem of rising insurance costs. There’s also a further effect on the people going into the high-risk pool who choose to, or are forced to, buy insurance at 125% of the going rate for individuals. Because, as individual rates go up by 40 – 50% over rates today, their rates, already 25% more expensive than scale, will increase proportionately, so that their rates are 75% above today’s rates. Will they be able to afford that insurance, even if it is finally available to them? Many of them won’t; and to the extent that occurs, fatalities due to lack of insurance will increase beyond the 31,000 per year level during the “band-aid” period.
While the “Senior buy-off” Medicare provisions in this bill are certainly an improvement that progressives can get behind, and while the miscellaneous “goody bag” provisions are also hard for progressives to turn down. It’s hard to see how anyone could mistake the band-aid period for a substantial improvement over the present system except in the case of eliminating rescissions. This reform should prevent further growth in the ranks of the uninsured, but, not necessarily, because the bill may not control pricing of policies tightly enough to protect those who are seriously ill from exorbitant price increases, which effectively prevent them from taking advantage of the no rescissions aspect of the bill. This is a point to watch closely in the final bill.
So, what should we think of this bill, evaluating it from the perspective of what it provides in the band-aid period. Does it improve things in that period or not? Is it better than nothing at all? Is it an immoral and an intolerable bill, in some ways like Alan Grayson’s "Republican plan" saying to thousands of people each year, “If you get sick then die quickly.”
The truth is that the bill does improve things immediately in 2010. It prohibits rescission. It provides a way, through the high risk pool, for people with preconditions to get insurance, even if it is at a high price. It also does some good things for Medicare recipients, and a number of good things that are part of the “goody bag.” Yet even though this bill is an improvement compared to the status quo, I think that both putting it forward, and voting for it, are immoral acts, if the bill, in any way, creates a dynamic that prevents us from, or weakens our efforts to, take up the health insurance reform problem in the next session, and thereafter, for as long as it takes to get a bill that will end fatalities, bankruptcies, and home foreclosures, due to lack of insurance.
The overriding problem with the bill is that it prioritizes deficit neutrality over the deaths of many thousands of Americans per year. Yes, I said earlier that the bill will reduce the 45,000 annual deaths by some substantial amount, but in the “band-aid” period before the exchange takes effect in 2013, we’re still looking at 31,000 or so deaths per year from lack of insurance. And, even after that at current death rates due to lack of insurance we’re still looking at 11,000 annual deaths. These likely forecasts suggest that the current bill is a great moral failure of Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic Party, and progressives who support it.
We can, if we like, look at the bill from the perspective of how it compares to no bill at all. And compared to no bill at all, and, if we assume that we will have no other reform bill over the next ten years, this bill is certainly an improvement.
However, whether or not we have other bills, whether now, or next year, or any year in the future, is our choice, the choice of Democrats, progressives, and the American people. So, the comparison of this bill with no bill at all is a false framing, narrowly circumscribing our choices. and relieving us of responsibility to look at what we ought to have, or what we might have had, or what we may yet have, if we fight harder right now.
There are bills we should have formulated, and bills already formulated, like HR 676, that we can pass, that will not leave 31,000 annual deaths due to lack of insurance, and nearly as many health-related bankruptcies and foreclosures, if progressives “just say no” to Pelosi. There are bills that can virtually eliminate fatalities due to lack of insurance, and also bills that reduce the levels of these much more, if progressives “just say no” to Pelosi. So, why isn’t the House bill like those?
The answer is that the bill’s number one priority is not solving America’s health insurance problem. It is, instead, to pass a bill that legislators can say is deficit neutral. That is “deficit hawkism,” adhering to the ideology that prioritizes bringing tax revenues and Government expenditures into balance ahead of other far more essential national needs and priorities. In the case of health insurance and health care reforms, adhering to that ideology is not only mistaken, or stingy, or an instance of false economy, but given that it accepts the inevitability of hundreds of thousands of American deaths over the next decade, it is immoral. And its application in this legislation is also immoral.
Why isn’t health insurance reform in the House bill made fully operative until 2013, since, if it were operative within a year, along with subsidies that ensured that nearly everyone would get insurance, it would save more than 70,000 additional lives in the first 3.5 years compared to the current bill? The answer is that it is Congress and the President placing the false standard of deficit neutrality over the next decade, above the moral imperative of ending fatalities due to lack of insurance.
The extent of immorality accompanying this choice is even more apparent, when everyone sees that we have not employed that standard to the bank and wall street bailouts, or to the Wars in Afghanistan, and Iraq. We prioritize some things above “deficit hawkism,” just not the lives of more than 108,000 Americans over the next 3.5 years, and about 72,000 more over the next ten. In addition, passing this bill, with its “band-aid” period, brings with it the near certainty, if we try to revisit health insurance reform, of having to face a propaganda campaign emphasizing the idea that we just got through legislating reform, and that we therefore, ought to wait until the “band-aid” period is over, and the legislation with its public option plan, has had a chance to work without considering more reform. Looking at things from the perspective of these considerations, and the possibility of other and better alternatives, and not from the perspective of whether it is better than no bill at all; the House bill, because of its enactment of a “band-aid” period of more than 3 years, and its provisions that don’t end substantial lack of coverage after that, is both immoral and intolerable. It needs to be defeated, and another bill needs to be quickly put in its place.
(Also posted at the Alllifeisproblemsolving blog where there may be more comments)



67 Comments

wow
I think I’ll have to print this one out so I can really digest it, muchas gracias.
We all should be putting 45 caliber weapons to our heads for allowing the people in the Congress on either side to decide what to give us for healthcare with our money.
Thanks, Elliot. I hope it’s worth digesting.
To our heads?
As you said, (9) goes to the heart of things, demonstrating yet again that entrenched rackets cannot and will not be “regulated” in any conventional sense of that term.
While that’s certainly known and intended by the politicians, officials, and racketeers themselves, I still can’t get over how there seem to be so many people who seem to mean well but refuse to understand this simple truth, you cannot regulate rackets. You can only destroy them.
I guess people who haven’t learned from the Wall Street experience just aren’t capable of learning.
As for (4), rescissions, I’ve only seen the sentence you reproduced here, but how exactly do they propose to prevent the rackets from just making frivolous fraud accusations? What’s the deterrent there?
I, too, would like to see an analysis of coverage increases during the interim period. If anyone sees such a thing, let me know…
I think the usual thing applies here. If they charge fraud and their accusation is frivolous, then you have to get a lawyer, sue them, and hopefully win. Of course, if the Republicans get “tort reform” in the bill, then the insurance company could kill you as a result of the rescission and then get off easy in court.
I agree with your point that you can’t regulate rackets, you have too destroy them. You destroy them by prosecuting them, sending the people to jail and then nationalizing health insurance.
i’m all for deficit hawkery — tax the living daylights out of the rich.
there are a number of really good things in the bill, not just in those 14 immediate fixes, that bleeding hearts of all stripes are going to have a hard time passing up, even if they hate what has become of the public option.
i’m pretty sure that was planned as a feature, not a bug.
Yeh! Because we believe they will come out withsomething worthwhile.
Hi hipparchia, It’s always good to see you here. We need to do that, but not because we can’t run deficits. We need to do it because 1) we need to re-distribute wealth back downward after at least 35 years of “them” distributing it upward; and 2) we need to stop the wealthy sending so much of their money into other national economies and contributing to the de-industrialization of the United States.
Yes, I am too. The “Goody bag” language is supposed to be Rahm’s. Hope I’ve covered the major goodies in the band-aid period above. I know there are many more in the “reform” beginning in somtime in 2013.
I Know. But I don’t see any reason to be suicidal about it. I say get mad and get even.
Thanks, the key remains that costs won’t be contained in either the band-aid period or after. So in effect, Pelosi’s bill will fail to solve the cost problem, and it never addressed the issue of delivery of healthcare at all. Coverage is not care.
Hey! When You lost the toss, sometimes it’s better to just give up.
Any hope of fixing this Nation is pretty much gone, because the people don’t have what it will take to do it.
They seem to love everything that is our problems. Politics, The Military, Wall Street, and The Government, free trade, the world economy, and OIL.
The things that would fix these things like revolution, changing our ways, changing ideaology, protectionism, and changing fuels are the things they wouldn’t do if their lives depended on it.
The Forty five may seem drastic, but false hope is just as bad. It’s like praying to God to save you, while a fifty ton rock is falling towards your head.
They been putting band-aids on bullet wounds for years, thinking they are going to save the patient.
You bet, Hugh. It’s an immoral, lousy bill, and it needs to be blocked by the progressives.
It’s never better to give up.
They need to treat the infection before they put on any dressing.
you’re absolutely right of course. i was being overly simplistic, but i really don’t have a problem with the rich contributing enough of ‘their’ money to our national treasury to erase the deficit.
i’m a die-hard keynesian myself, in no small part thanks to my dad, who, big business friendly, good fiscal conservative that he is, got his economics degree shortly after ww2, a time when the worth of keynesianism was immediately obvious to anybody who had two brain cells to rub together, no matter what their ideology.
eta: my dad and i differ only in our estimations of the magnitude of wealth distribution that needs to take place, but we both agree that there needs to be more of it. we’ve had many a pleasant, uh, discussion on how big the stimulus should have been and what the money should have been spent on. he’ll be the first to tell you that his family would probably have starved to death during the depression had it not been for the wpa.
i think you covered all the bandaids quite well. thanks for doing so.
i went through the bill recently on a mission, which is when i discovered some of the other goodies.
and they are goodies too, enough that i want to call up my congresscritter and demand that he vote for the bill. fortunately, he’s a republican, a team player, and one inch to the left of george bush [we have a lot of old folks here and they scare him just enough that he's not too anxious to axe medicare] so i can resist that temptation, knowing that he’ll vote to kill any thing the democrats want. for once in my life i can consider being surrounded by far right, wingnut, keep your govt hands off my medicare, republican neighbors to be a real luxury.
a brief rundown on what’s in the bill, if you’re interested in the wonk point of view. i’ve quoted jost before on the swiss and dutch systems.
The further we get from the depression, the more we have to rely on the memories of daughters sons who heard about it from fathers and mothers. When I was younger I knew people from states like Tennessee who swore by the TVA and the other New Deal projects that had so benefited their State. For a very long time after that Tennessee elected a lot of liberal Democrats as Governors and Senators: Estes Kefauver, Earle Clement, Al Gore, Sr, and Al Gore, Jr. But gradually, over the years Tennessee forgot what the New Deal did for them and they returned to the free enterprise, low tax, quasi-racist views that used to dominate the State. And so the State has forgotten what it once had learned so well, that teh Government can help people and that Government spending can produce real jobs for people.
Keynesianism is back, fortunately. It wasn’t dead. Just waiting for the free market ideology to fail, which it was bound to do.
Thanks, I’m glad I didn’t miss anything important. Thanks also for the link. I’ll read it avidly.
And thanks also for the Jost piece. It will be very useful for my evaluation of the “reform” period.
lets, been working on an emotional and cathartic diary of my own. want to address this thoughtfully. thanks for doing this distillation for me and us! :)
That’s what I figured about the rescissions – that there’s nothing to stop them from continuing with them. It’ll simply be the equivalent of a SLAPP suit (in the sense of huge legal barriers for the non-rich) against anyone subject to rescission-via-fraud allegation.
So I just don’t get how that improves anything at all. It goes right in my file as potemkin non-reform.
i’m still on the fence (it usually takes me some time to get off the fence. what can i say, i’m a “P.”).
but regardless of my own position…
i’ve lost track of all the many “definitions” of “robust” but didn’t a bunch of progressives promise to block any bill without a “robust public option?” jane raised over $400,000 to thank them for it.
http://www.actblue.com/page/theytookthepledge
won’t fdl be holding them to their pledge?
Great analysis, lets. Democrats need to have the estimate of people who will still die for lack of insurance (which itself is an underestimate of total deaths from non- plus under-insurance) shoved in their faces at every opportunity. You’re right to call out Alan Grayson on it.
The COBRA extension is of great interest to me personally, but there are a couple of COBRA-related issues that our leaders need to address simultaneously.
First, the Obama stimulus bill offers 9 months of premium subsidies for people on COBRA. The deadline for qualifying ends, however, this December 31. So people fired in 2010 won’t be eligible for the subsidy without a deadline extension. Additionally 9 months is half the standard COBRA eligibility period, after which premiums balloon out to their original rates. My 9 months are now up, so I’ll be paying full rates (plus extremely high deductibles and co-pays) for the remainder of the COBRA period unless I land a new full-time job. Ideally, a new stimulus package should extend eligibility and extend the subsidy period. I don’t see a big push for that currently.
Second, people are losing jobs because companies are themselves distressed. When a company goes out of business, former employees lose their COBRA, since there’s no longer a group plan on which to continue. At that point, if you’re still jobless, you’re forced onto the individual market.
The letter signed by 60 CPC members on July 30 was a pledge to vote against any bill with a PO that lacked Medicare-based rates. That, of course, is the new, faux definition of robust that’s been rattling around for the last couple of months. The CPC leadership and membership have been all but pretending that they never went on record with a more substantial (albeit still problematic) definition back in June.
At least some of the signers, such as my Congresswoman, Yvette Clarke, are already on record as preparing to bail on this pledge:
The FDL pledge, by constrast, was designed primarily to prevent co-ops, triggers, and (through its stipulation of “available nationwide”) opt-outs. It doesn’t address PO rate structure. So by my reading, anyway, the Pelosi bill fulfills the FDL criteria. The real time to hold signers to the pledge will come after conference, if triggers, co-ops, or opt-outs appear in some form in the House/Senate bill.
Thanks, lib, In addition to the great piece you just did? I’ll look forward to it.
It may not that bad. The fact that there’s a law and that the intent of Congress to outlaw rescissions is clear will create a very good basis for a suit. If tort reform is not in the bill, then a company systematically violation the law could be hit with a huge law suit and lots of punitive damages. Also, the publicity and anger would be terrible and would support calls for criminalizing the offense. I suspect they’ll stop rescissions, but will just raise prices first to compensate for loss of profits. There is nothing illegal about inconscionable price increases yet. That’s going to handled by “sunshine.” -:)-:)-:)-:)
Hi selise, I always thought that the idea of “a robust PO” was BS. Just a fungible slogan politicians could use to create moving targets. In the end anything they support became “a robust PO.” Jane tried to do something about that with her pledge involving three criteria. But it was always clear that the criteria had plenty of wiggle room. Indeed, I don’t even think it excludes opt-outs, depending on how they’re defined, since when the program starts on day 1 everyone will have the PO. Of course, Day 1 is in 2013, which is doublespeak to begin with. And Jane just accepted that from the get-go.
It was clear that the fight for a Hacker-type PO was over months ago, as I wrote back then. And it was also clear that the notion of “PO” was vulnerable to confusion and politician’s games from the beginning. That is one of the advantages of single-payer. If you commit to that, the room for games is much less. If you commit to a “robust PO,” you can do almost anything and still claim you kept your promise.
I saw this a long time ago so I quit contributing in response to any appeal calling for a PO or a robust PO. I kept writing back and telling the collectors that if they wanted to get my bucks they had to promise to support something specific like HR 676. Of course, they knew better. So, they took a lot of people’s money, and undoubtedly kept the notion of a PO alive, but have only succeeded in producing a result which will discredit the idea of the PO if there is no more reform between now and 2015.
However, I think politicians are fooling only themselves when they play with words in this way. Sure they can say they kept their promise about some BS words like “PO”, but their real promise was that this health insurance problem will be over. “We’ll fix it,” they promised. But, since so many people will still be dying and having financial problems, that promise will remain unkept, in 2010, 2011, 2012, and beyond, and the Democrats will pay dearly at the polls for that, starting with the blue dogs.
Thanks Ralph, and thanks for clarifying the COBRA situation. We should never let the Democrats forget that they’re not solving the deaths problem. The House is going to vote fast to pass Pelosi’s bills. I hope progressives move fast with any protests or further pressure on Congresspeople and Senators. I also think we should support campaigns to defeat Nancy, Steny, and Harry Reid. We really need to make them pay the price for falling in behind Obama and killing the possibilities of both single-payer and Hacker-type PO.
I also think the whole process illustrates the dangers of accepting the idea that “the perfect is the enemy of the good,” while forgetting the conflicting idea that “the timid is the enemy of the good,” too. One needs to strike a balance in being practical. When you start from what is and then say that any movement away from what is and toward what you really wnat is an improvement, and therefore is good, you make the mistake of concluding that any movement is an improvement, when some movements may actually ensure unacceptable setbacks later. This is the situation we find ourselves in now, because this bill will result in another Republican lesson learned, a reinforcement of the idea that the Government can’t help people.
Not good enough I’m afraid. I think we need to tell Clark and the others that they haven’t done all they can do. They can still defeat Pelosi’s bill and let the Administration and the blue dogs know that they can either agree to a bill with at least a Hacker-type PO, or they can cut back to regulatory bill that ends rescissions, and denials due to preconditions, and make a pubic promise to revisit the rest in the next session, and that nothing else, except HR 676 itself is acceptable to House progressives. Let them feel the progressive power of no.
re the fdl pledge. well, i’m on record with a different reading. but i guess i’m in the minority. so putting that one aside for the moment, with regard to the cpc pledge. jane raised over $400,000 for the signers of the july 30 letter (and three more that signed a later letter):
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/20/if-progressive-members-of-the-house-think-well-accept-co-ops-as-public-plan-think-again/
i don’t see how all that money can be ignored.
well said.
p.s. thanks for another excellent diary, and my apologies for not saying that first
It can be ignored if Jane doesn’t show them that she’s really mad, and that next time her people won’t be giving any money to these so-called progressives, but to their primary opponents.
Thanks.
I meant to thank Selise above but ended up hitting the wrong reply button and thanking myself. Anyway, thanks selise.
I thought there was a provision that allowed for HHS to negotiate drug prices for Medicare; am I mistaken ,and if not, when does that come into effect?
It’s there in Section 1186. On p. 583-584 of the bill it says that the Secretary will negotiate beginning in 2010 and report results to the Congress at the beginning of 2011. The first year the negotiated prices will apply is in 2011.
Hey Lets I’m not really giving up, but when One see’s people defending the indefensible on almost every issue, one has to think about it.
Jason writes:
“Sorry, Jason, not interested.”
[rimshot. laughter]
Seriously:
1. Jason, if you really want an answer, why don’t you just ask your boss for some resources? HCAN’s funded. We’ve got an HCAN staffer asking single payer advocates to do his work for free?
But I really don’t think that’s the problem.
2. What does it tell you that public option advocates don’t have coverage increase numbers at their fingertips? The health insurance companies surely do, and I can’t imagine that their allies don’t. I’m guessing that every Versailles insider already knows, and the only people who don’t know are the people who need to know most, because their lives are at stake. What this tells me is that the numbers would make the bill look bad, and that’s why they’re not being released.
That’s the devil’s bargain, Hipparchia. Health care for profit, forever, in exchange for the fixes. Thanks, “progressives”!
Maybe they’re not “your people,” then?
Yes, I know. It really makes me mad. I’m in a perpetual state of anger these days. I just saw Grayson on KO’s show a couple of minutes. Now, he either lied like a trooper to KO, or he’s really awful stupid. KO didn’t call him out on what he said.
Hi lambert, Hey, I think you’re right. HCAN has to have some estimates on that, unless they’re so busy marketing for Pelosi’s horror show that they haven’t had time to work them up. Maybe Jason doesn’t have access to them. Who knows how transparent HCAN is inside. They may not be an open enterprise, but may be run by divide and conquer.
Right. But I doubt that hipparchia was speaking for himself.
Finally got to give this diary the attention it deserves. What a service you have done, and I love your commentary! Thank you. Any time you want to run for anything, you’ve got my service and support, lets!
What was that saying the Single Payer people use, “You can’t jump a chasm in two leaps.” My heart constricts hearing about the inevitable deaths with a plan that promises to help some in a number of years when there is a major CRISIS now. Wow, they sure responded to the bankers crisis. And the insurance companies crisis of not milking the government and citizenry, they really responded to that. But Americans dying in Afghanistan, or from no health care, they will talk the talk but not walk the walk. The Dems are in charge of the WH adn the Congress. They are c-o-r-r-u-p-t. And their denial and obtuseness or simply who-cares attitude about their corruption is so sickening.
Health care industries assign their wives plum positions on boards, etc. And the fix is in. And then some of them protest they don’t let something like that influence them?
Obama apparently was out the day in college and law school accountability was taught.
Human life is cheap in the eyes of both party leaderships. Re both the military and health care.
It used to be the desensitization was profound for foreign people, and that hasn’t changed for many, the ugly racism and xenophobia. But human rights and concern for people when it is exploited for political seduction is particularly evil. And when the psychopathic priorities of the corporations are used as policy mandates for our Congress, it is horrifying.
Once again, Lets, 1990 pages vs. 30 pages in HR676. Ironic.
Great comment lib, so glad you made it. Two comments:
Every time I hear that I think: “And I’ve got a bridge to seek ya!”
On running, I’m afraid it’s too late for me, I’m healthy, but I’m also 70, so all I want to do now is write and talk, I have to leave the organizing to others.
But thanks for the thought.
I know. Not to mention the months and months of wasted time. HR 676 was ready in January. If Nancy, Obama, and Harry had taken that and run with it, the Democrats would be sailing along right now.
i’m with you about increasing taxes on the rich (targeted at rent extraction), but not at erasing the deficit. i’m pretty sure that so long as we run a current account deficit (and as the source of world’s reserve currency, we have to), we have to run a fed budget deficit if we want a growing economy without increasing private debt. what’s important is what we spend on (via the fed gov) and the magnitude of the deficit.
i think i heard T.R. Reid (not a single payer advocate, just someone who knows his shit and wants universal healthcare) say something like:
jumping halfway across the canyon doesn’t get you any closer to the other side
i’ve listened to so many podcasts without taking notes that i may be confused about the source (don’t think so in this case though).
i’m really glad you do. thanks!!!
Exactly.
I’m afraid that’s exactly what the Democrats are trying to do with this bill, and I think the Republicans know that very well and want no part of the bill that will put the Democrats into the chasm.
By “not good enough” I think you were referring to my comment that the time to enforce the FDL criteria will likely be after conference. Not sure if I was clear enough, but this take has nothing to do with whether I consider the FDL pledge criteria adequate to meaningful reform. I don’t. The fact that the Pelosi bill appears to fulfill the Pledge criteria pretty much underscores that.
putting aside the fdl pledge, the 57 cpc members pledged to vote against this bill. jane raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for them based on that pledge. are we going to pretend along with the 57 cpc members all that never happened?
In the end, it was 60 signatories, and I agree with you that if they pledged to fall on their swords for Medicare-based rates, then they shouldn’t be allowed to walk away from that pledge without consequence. As to the actual meaningfulness of Medicare + 5%, Kip pretty skillfully burst that bubble.
But did Jane raise hundreds of thousands for all the July 30 letter signatories or just the FDL pledgers? On the Donate to Health Care Heroes link, I just see 16 Reps, with links to their occasionally weasel-worded pledges.
yes.
the 57 from the july 30th letter and i think 3 more from a later letter and the fld pledges.
a couple of links:
http://www.actblue.com/page/theytookthepledge
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/20/if-progressive-members-of-the-house-think-well-accept-co-ops-as-public-plan-think-again/
agree about the bubble bursting. but there’s the matter of what little credibility may remain. theirs and ours.
i’m being snarky about the deficit, and deadly serious about the taxes. hard to pull that off in the same sentence. ;-)
all I want to do now is write and talk
b-b-b-b-ut… isn’t this what congresscritters do all day?
How true!
I won’t pretend that. Will Jane?
If you can call that writing. -:)