When I was young the United States had some liberals of courage in the Senate. People like Estes Kefauver, Paul Douglas, Hubert H. Humphrey, Herbert Lehman, Wayne Morse, Richard L. Neuberger, Maurine B. Neuberger, Eugene McCarthy, Mike Mansfield, Ernest Gruening, Pat McNamara, Phil Hart, Frank Church, George McGovern, Albert Gore, Sr., Ralph Yarborough, Warren Magnuson, and William Proxmire. These liberals could be counted on to go to the mat for most liberal causes. They said what they meant, and meant what they said. They compromised. But they never pre-compromised, and they never folded. They were never afraid to walk away from negotiations that were producing bad bills. They passed a lot of good bills, a lot of regulatory bills, a lot of consumer protection bills. I could and was proud of them. I looked up to them, and frankly, loved them for what they did for America.
Of course, when Hubert Humphrey left the Senate, he didn’t act as he had before, and appeared to be overwhelmed by Lyndon Johnson. And some might argue that others, such as John, Robert and Teddy Kennedy, J. William Fulbright, and Lyndon Johnson, or even some Republicans like Jack Javits, ought to be part of this group for their championing of certain liberal causes. But I never viewed them as among the most liberal and unequivocally courageous politicians, but more as pragmatists occasionally motivated by principle.
In any case, the point I’m making is that this long list of courageous liberals is not matched by any group we have in the Senate today. We have Bernie Sanders, and sometimes Russ Feingold now to stand on principle, and Al Franken showing some promise, and everyone else seems to be a “caver,” dedicated to the idea that “the perfect is the enemy of the good,” and ignoring that both the timid, and the path of least resistance, are also, and equally, the enemies of the good.
Considering, that almost everyone in the progressive wing of the Democratic Party in the Senate is a “caver,” and that Jay Rockefeller, in particular, had acquired the nickname “Jello Jay,” from Marcy Wheeler, for his behavior in knuckling under to Executive attempts to avoid accountability for its surveillance and torture activities, and failing to provide proper Congressional Oversight of these activities, it was surprising for awhile to see his activities in the Senate Finance Committee resisting attempts to get rid of the public option and prevent an unmitigated giveaway to the insurance companies. In fact, Marcy and the FDL community were so pleased with these activities, that “Jello Jay” became transformed almost overnight into “Jay Rock.”
But, alas, the Jello Man has now returned in his full pliable glory to the Senate. And, in response, to the latest retreats by Harry Reid before the cranky capriciousness of Joe Lieberman, and Howard Dean’s reply calling for killing the Senate bill, and a new approach through reconciliation, Jello Jay has said that Howard is wrong and that “the perfect should not be the enemy of the good,” and without detailing them, has said that many good things remain in this bill, and that since it will cover 30 million people, it must be passed, even though it doesn’t have any kind of PO, and does have the mandated pay-offs to the insurance companies that the Jello Man so strenuously objected to in days gone by.
So, what should we say about this? Well, it would be bad enough if all we were seeing was the return of the Jello Man alone. But, in fact, what we are seeing now, is the spread of the Jello disease among progressives in the Senate. Now all of them are singing the same Jello Song as the estimable Jay. All of a sudden a PO is not necessary for reform. All of a sudden, no real competition is necessary to ensure that insurance costs will be cut. All of a sudden, the elimination of lifetime limits in insurance coverage is not necessary for reform. And, trust me, if Harry Reid knuckles under to the CBO fantasy that a 90% loss ratio for the insurance companies makes the private insurance sector part of the Federal Budget, suddenly these jello progressives will also say that an 85% loss ratio, or whatever level of loss ratio Douglas Elmendorf thinks is consistent with continuing to exclude the insurance companies from the Federal Budget, is enough for reform.
What we can say about this progressive behavior is that it is all nonsense, a manifestation of cowardice, and not pragmatism or concern for the uninsured, at all. The progressives currently eating their previous words with such happy faces, are telling us that the bill ends rescissions and denials due to preconditions, and that it will cover 30,000,000 who will no longer die from lack of insurance. However, apart from the fact that even if this were true, the bill still would leave 17,000,000 uninsured, and roughly 17,000 fatalities per year due to lack of insurance, this claim is almost certainly false.
It is false, because there are no price controls in this bill, and the subsidies, mandates, and exchanges don’t become operative until 2014. So for four long years, the uninsured, or those with preconditions, will have to obtain insurance from an insurance pool where they will pay some multiple, probably as much as 300% of standard insurance rates to get into a private insurance program. Moreover, during the four years “band-aid” period until the exchanges, subsidies, and mandates are operative, standard insurance rates will be rising, and, based on recent experience, will probably be doing so at a rate of between 10% and 20% per year. How many people who don’t have insurance will be able to afford that? Unless they’re rich, almost no one. So, how many of the uninsured will get coverage between now and 2014? An average of five percent? Ten percent? At most 20%. Let’s say ten percent is the figure, a generous estimate, since costs in 2010 will probably be up to 8,000 per individual, and 15,000 per family in the non-group market, and some multiple, perhaps as much as 300% of those figures in the case of insuring people with pre-conditions.
That means that until 2014, when the subsidies are available, an average of only 4,700,000 additional individuals will be insured as a result of this bill. In addition, the number of insured will probably decline with each passing year, since, premium increases will increasingly cause the cost of insurance to exceed the capacity to pay of most people. Also, while this is happening, population increases will lead to corresponding increases in the uninsured. In 4 years, population increases will probably lead to 50 million uninsured, wiping out most of the gains in number of insured made by the program during those years.
What happens in 2014, when the subsidies kick in? Well then, more people will be able to afford insurance. However, assuming the final Senate bill is like the one previously produced by the Senate Finance Committee, the subsidies won’t be indexed to inflation in insurance premiums. This means that by 2014, the subsidies will already be inadequate to pay for the likely rise in premiums. So, people won’t be able to afford the insurance after all. Since getting insurance is mandated, people will simply defy the law, or pay the relatively low penalty for not getting insurance, because they just cannot afford to pay an appreciable portion of their insurance for it. For all these reasons I think that even after 2014, it is very doubtful that anything like 60% of the uninsured, or 30,000,000 people, will get coverage under the program, because they simply won’t be able to afford it.
Most discussions of the various reform bills considered in this legislative cycle have focused on the features of the various reforms, but they have not focused on whether or not the bills would have outcomes that solve or greatly reduce negative outcomes resulting from the present system of insurance. We know that 45,000 deaths, more than a million bankruptcies, and foreclosures in the many hundreds of thousands result from the present system. But no one is addressing the question of how many deaths, bankruptcies, and foreclosures will be prevented if one of the current reform bills is passed. The failure of CBO to estimate this is criminal negligence, because it offers no help in assessing what the key benefits of the bill will be.
So let me be clear (don’t I sound like Jello Jay now?). I am contending that, in the first four years only 4500 out of 45,000 annual fatalities due to lack of insurance will be prevented by this bill. I am also contending that only a small percentage of bankruptcies will be prevented because the high deductibles and co-pays allowed by this bill will not allow people with health problems to escape bankruptcy, and that I estimate that 95% of medical bill-related bankruptcies will still occur, and a like number of foreclosures, as well. After the first four years, increased coverage may decrease the percentage of annual fatalities, bankruptcies and foreclosures, compared to what we have now. However, if the 30,000,000 estimate of number of people who will eventually be covered by this bill is off by as much as 50%, as I suspect, and the cost of premiums keeps increasing by 10-20% per year, it is likely that even after 2014, we will still have 35,000 annual fatalities, and given rising co-pays and deductibles, bankruptcies and foreclosures of a similar order of magnitude compared to what we have now.
In short, this bill does nothing significant for people, but delivers a bonanza to the insurance companies, at an average cost of about $90 Billion per year. No jello progressive who votes for it will be thanked by their constituents, and every progressive who votes against it will be considered courageous and acting in the interests of the people. If that progressive then turns around and insists that Senate and House leadership take up reform again in January, they will be considered even more courageous by their constituents, and they will be in a much better position to actually get a real reform bill in an election year, provided that they keep the issue of health care reform in front of the American people, while advocating for a program such as Medicare for All which will unambiguously help them.
An argument that has been made to the jello progressives at the end of this process is that they must support the current Senate bill, or they will “hurt” their President, Barack Obama. My reply to this, is that President Obama has already hurt himself with his lack of leadership, his behind the scenes manipulation of the progressives and the public, his betrayal of the interests of the American people, his deals with Pharma and other interests, and his failure to live up to his campaign promises, and to keep faith with those who put him in the White House. For the progressives in Congress to keep their faith with the people who put them in office, they have to represent those people, and vote for what their people want and need. if the President gets hurt in the process then I have three things to say. First, that is just too bad. If he had decided to represent the people who put him in office there would no question of his getting hurt right now. Second, he’s no longer their President. Now, he’s Wall Street’s President, Ben Nelson’s President, Joe Lieberman’s President, Max Baucus’s President, the Big Bank President, the health insurance industry President, and the military industrial complex President.
And third, I think that if progressive actions insisting on a good health care reform bill result in a political defeat which hurts the President, then that is all to the good. He needs to be politically hurt right now. He’s acted badly, carelessly, heedlessly, and stupidly. He needs to feel the consequences of his actions, so that he can learn from them. So, don’t protect him from the pain of defeat. Let him learn. He needs the experience to become a better President, if that’s possible.
But apart from whether the President gets hurt politically, and even whether the real interests of the people in the area of HCR are served, there is the larger issue of restoring the Congress and the Senate as institutions. Today, the Senate needs a group of progressives like the liberal Senators of the ’50s and ’60s. It needs people who have the courage of their convictions, and who can negotiate successfully for what they believe in. But the problem is that jello progressives, like Jello Jay can’t do that. The reason is basic to the process of successful negotiation. In any such process, you have to be prepared to walk away from the table to get anything good at all. You have to be able to say “no.” When you lose something in negotiation, you have to be able to deny your negotiating partner something. You have to make that partner pay a price for the concession they denied to you. Jello Jay and his jello progressive colleagues can’t do that. They can’t say no. Until they can, every other party to the negotiations they take part in will roll them. It’s as simple as that. The old liberals were prepared to walk away. But Jello Progressivism says “yes,” no matter how much it loses in negotiation. Jello progressives are so afraid of failure that they always fail, even while they tell themselves they’ve accomplished something. That has to stop, or these progressives have to be replaced, because as things are now they are neither any good to us, nor to themselves.
(Also posted at the Alllifeisproblemsolving blog and at Correntwire.com where there may be more comments)



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Lets, As I read this I was reminded of President Theodore Roosevelt and his initiation of law suits against 43 major corporations of the time. This shocked the business community.But, what would this reform of our “NO CARE” health care system look like today, if Obama had duplicated Roosevelt’s actions by initiating suits against big Pharma, and the Insurance Cartel? Signaling at the same time, to the banking and Wall Street firms that indeed he meant business and they were next? Really different picture and we possibly would have had a way better outcome. But that is not the road Obama took. IMHO, unless reform of how our nations businesses conduct their business is THE issue, we will continue to get what we are getting now.
I couldn’t agree more. FDR was pretty active in using the Sherman and Clayton anti-trust acts against corporations as well. It used to be pretty traditional for Democratic Administrations to use the anti-trust laws against big business, but I can’t remember many prominent suits in either the Clinton or the present Administrations.
Teddy was maybe the best prez. This one is either bought, stupid, or gutless. Me thinks 1 and 3.
Hi crusher60, Teddy was a great one, But, in modern times, there’s really no comparison to Franklin. If you read the histories of his Administration, the number of accomplishments are simply astonishing. You just wonder when the guy slept.
When FDR was prez. Teddys’ time was still modern. FDR was great….If I did’t know better I’d think they’re related.
You’re kidding right? They were cousins. Also, I was counting TR as a modern President. I meant to exclude Lincoln and Washington from the comparisons. Historians usually agree that Lincoln, Washington, and FDR are the top three, but they don’t always agree on the top spot.
Boy, you do hate that word pragmatism. I had no idea that the word pragmatic had such a negative connotation in Progressive (or conservative, for that matter) circles.
Anyway, as we sit the Dems are worse than useless and the Repubs are pure evil. So, what to do? I know you have decided to go the “make sure we get REAL progressive Dems in office by vetting, primarying, etc,” route. Might work. But Dems are going to get sheared in this next election, we all know that.
Independents, especially newly minted ones, tend to lean to the right. I think most will hold their nose and vote for the R just to avoid giving anything to those worthless, impotent Democrats-especially if unemployment remains high.
What do you think about a 3rd party with a very narrow focus-healthcare? The number of people who count themselves as Independents just passed the number who call themselves Dems or R’s. A Wall street Journal/NBC poll just revealed that fully ONE THIRD favor a new independent political party. The HCR debate has been like the hub of a wheel and the spokes radiate out to touch and illuminate all that is rotten in this gov’t. Healthcare has exposed all the innards to many people who just did’nt “get it” before.
By standing primarily on the issue of healthcare, the party would be able to keep the issue front and center. As the misery of the people increases the National Health Party could repeatedly point out the direct connection between the healthcartel and Wall Street and corrupt legislators and back to the misery of the people. A continuous, hammering feedback loop. The present Democratic Party spends much if not most of its time trying to obfuscate these connections. With the National Health Party, pointing out the connections and accomplishing Medicare for All would be its raison d’etre.
Along the way, undemocratic devices such as the filibuster, corporate personhood, corporate campaign money, concentrated media control would be spotlighted but ALWAYS in the context of how these things steal and threaten YOUR health.
Health as the touchstone.
To the argument that 3rd parties have always failed I say that rarely, if ever has there been this level of disgust with the extant 2 parties. Plus the organizing power of the Internet. Plus a central issue that is growing more critical daily. And a 3rd party does not have to be electorally successful to be influential. It just has to demonstrate numbers and organizing power.
The Greens started out in Germany as a single issue party, concern for the environment, with the usual socialist corollaries.
I envision something like that here with healthcare being the catalyst, puling from the right and the left. No other issue would much matter. Breaking the back of the cartel and providing universal health coverage would be the litmus test.
Hi GDC707, I am not very friendly to pragmatism as a uniquely American and wonderful philosophy. I am almost a pragmatist myself, sharing perhaps 85-90% of Peircian pragmatic philosophy. Peirce and John Dewey are two of my favorite philosophers. Two others are the moderm pragmatists, C . W. Churchman, and Russell Ackoff. I also love the work of Shewhart and Deming and the quality management people which is directly derivative of pragmatism. However, Obama is no pragmatist, even though he calls himself one. He may think he’s trying to be pragmatic. But prgamatism is about what works for solving problems and there’s no indication that Obama cares a damn about that.
You asked:
I don’t think a single issue Party will be effective. However, I am very interested in third parties that would be devoted to a Medicare for All solution to our health insurance companies A recent proposal comes from Violet here. I like this one, and will be keeping tabs on it.
Let’s, I linked to the Justice Party and I must say with all respect: No. That is exactly the direction I would not want to go.
What is the difference between that and the Peace and Freedom Party? Almost none. Where is the P and F and what have they accomplished?
I don’t know where you are from or how you grew up, but I grew up in RedneckLand and I know how they think. You start referring to feminism and populism and peace and LGBT and economic justice and so forth and you immediately stoke up a bunch of latent dread about “commie hippie peace queers.” Now I am 100% in favor of all those above issues and most others but I’m telling you that the surest way to turn off middle America is by bringing up a lot of what are perceived to be exotic, nebulous issues. And when it comes to what I want to do, which is to establish a sane medical system, no vote can be taken for granted. What would this Justice Party be but just another name for the disaffected left wing of the Democratic Party?
I’m talking about seizing an issue that is immediate and personal. Many who never gave politics a 2nd thought have stopped and looked closer at their premiums, at ballooning deductibles, at the possibility of rescission, at rich insurance CEO’s, at a bought Congress. They could SEE these things for the 1st time not because of vaguer issues like justice, feminism or 3rd world exploitation. They saw them because a splitting headache is YOURS. A heart attack is your DAD’S. A car crash is your FRIEND’S. A bankruptcy is EVERYBODY’S. I want universal health care. The fact that it provides a wonderful teaching opportunity is a valuable bonus.
You read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. Note how Pirsig took something REAL, a motorcycle, and used it to work through some pretty involved and complex philosophical tenets.
These tenets took on a vibrancy, an applied realism that was far simpler to digest than dryly reading a textbook.
Inside the Dem Party? Outside? Both? Whichever works.
I want Nurses, Doctors, engineers, systems analysts and political scientists-problem solvers- to feel like they have a home. A party that will let them focus like lasers in a Tokamak at the crying problem of healthcare in this country. Crack that nut and you will inevitably move light years toward solving so many other core issues.
GDC707, I think you have a very good argument, but I really a think that a single-issue party doesn’t work in America. Perhaps the Justice Party will have to lead with economic Justice. I personally think it will. I also think there’s a hunger out there for that right now. Of course, people will see things from their own point of view, and the point of view on Justice having the broadest appeal will be economic justice. I don’t think that’s left wing. It’s as American as Apple Pie. Sure some people will say “commie,” “pinko,” but if the Party isn’t advocating taking ownership of businesses, that stuff is easy to turn aside.
single issue can be a cloak. It could be the bicyclists party, but by taking on transportation illogic you take on and stand to foster better community cohesion, reduction of wasteful suburbanized development, health and obesity issues, numerous positive feedback loops.
same, just for the sake of argument, with a health care formation – it would by necessity take on the corporate ownership of DC, the insurance cartel, numerous ancillary issues, and refrain from alienating anyone with identity politics or turning into a issue potpourri.
don’t get me wrong – I was impressed by the Justice Party discussion over there, and it sure speaks to folks like me and my milieu, but GDC707 is right that we have a historic opportunity in finding common cause with a broad swathe of Americans who are getting severely impacted by the degeneration of civil society in the USA, the old social contract from say the 1930′s to the 1980′s roughly.
I agree. But I think that “justice” is an important and historical American meme. As long as we lead with medical justice and economic justice, we can talk to the concerns of regular working people persuasively, and seize the historic opportunity. After all, what is that opportunity? It is to replace the Democratic Party as the representative of working people since that Party has rejected its historic mission by embracing corporatism. The “justice” meme is great for that. An even better meme would be “The Real Democratic Party,” but if we did that, we’d be tied up in law suits for years. Nevertheless, I think a good appeal for support would be “Come Home Democrats, the Justice Party Has Your Long Lost Heart and Soul.”
All points noted, Let’s. And, by the way, I really enjoyed your post and was similarly disheartened by Rockefeller’s schizzy turnaround. And do agree that Obama needs to be taken down a notch- for his own good as well as the country’s.
But I’m sorry, I think the Justice Party route leads to dissipation of energy. Dissipation is what our enemies are constantly trying to do to us. We have an historic opportunity to FOCUS – not just our energy, but the energy of those not normally allied to us.
Well . . . think about it.
I agree with you about the focus. But there’s a difference between issue-focus and overall image or theme. By all means make the issue focus health care and Main Street versus Wall Street. That’s where th real action is at. But when people ask you why you need an overall theme or reason. An answer like “We believe in justice for all” has the kind of ring we need to be a real party. It is resonant with American History, with the ghosts of the Populists, the earlier progressives, the New Deal, the anti-slavery movement, the women’s suffrage movement, and other renewals in American History.
I’m sorry but no. We believe in “justice” for all is like saying “we believe in fresh air.” Much like standing for everything and therefore standing for nothing. And modern Americans don’t even know about the New Deal, the Populists, women’s suffrage etc. much less care and resonate with them. Historians and poly sci majors do but that does not describe the mass of voters today.
Overall theme or reason?: “I’m with the National Health Party because I don’t want you or your family to die or go bankrupt due to crushing medical costs.” There. Period. No ambiguity. And a touchstone most voters, except the young who don’t much vote anyway, can feel.
a new Party, correctly done, could pull from across much of the political spectrum, by sticking to sensible, obvious populist solutions like Single Payer, and getting Wall Street back on a leash.
great post Lets! read it at corrente, commenting here.
Thanks spork. Check out this Justice Party idea. I like it.
Right. That’s the key. Sensible, obvious, populist solutions. No need to get bogged down in perceived “exotic” side issues. The party would HAVE its issue.
2014 might as well be 2050.
A LOT will happen between now and then.
Rockefeller should just recuse himself anyway based on his family’s histor of monopolizing the health industry in this country.
Have we forgotten?
Sure, he’s probably a great guy at the country club, but W Virginia? Really
A party that is your home. Does the Democratic Party feel like your home? Anybody?
The other thing that can be done is to start pressuring the progressive senators to oppose a bill without significant reform and convert them to the idea that they must be willing to walk away. It must be more than getting them to pledge support for the idea, though. We need to start looking at the corporate contribution and voting records of the progressives so that we can understand their motives and weaknesses (from our perspective) completely so that we can “talk” to them more forcefully. I am slowly starting to gather data, but not as fast as I would like. If anyone is willing to pick a progressive senator to start doing background work it would be great. I am taking Rockefeller right out of the block and I hope to have a certain senate biography fleshed out for him next week. It sure would be good to get research going on Durbin, Feingold, Harkin, Wyden, Shumer, Brown and Boxer. I think these Senators might be salvageable, but we need to enter into meaningful “discussions” with them. I agree completely with your sentiments about the progressives Lgid, great article. By the by, did I miss Part IV of the Mosler synthesis?
Hi cb, Part IV of the Mosler synthesis is coming. It’s taking longer than I planned because I couldn’t whip it off the top of my head, but it will come. Also, I’m pretty sure there’ll be a Part V on political implications also.
I agree with all all you’ve said above. Don’t know that I’m ready to take a Senator right now, but FWIW, I missed Pat Leahy from your list and also Sheldon Whitehouse and Al Franken, I have the feeling that those three folks are more salvageable than Schumer, who’s sold out to the street. On the other hand Schumer was really liberal at one time, and perhaps can be brought back. I also wonder about Amy Klobuchar. She’s a real apologist right now, but I have the feeling that her heart is in the right place.
Now that I think of people who’s heart is in the right place, I also wonder about Patty Murray, Barbara Mikulski and Ben Cardin. I have the feeling they may be persuaded too.
Also, I missed Dorgan. I see a lot has already been written on Jello during the FISA catastrophe. Of interest is that one of Jello’s top contributors, K&L Gates, has people like Dick Thornburg associated with it and it appears they have done a lot to lobby for the end of the 4th amendment as it relates to electronics (Let alone AT&T and Verizon, two of his most reliable contributors). He is also heavy into the medical practitioner industry, which suggests he may not be willing to go to the wall for Medicare at 55. Anyway, I see he is worth 60 to 120 million dollars, but he steadfastly refuses to use his own money for campaign funding – - So I guess he is as vulnerable to corporate contributions as most of the rest. Turns out he is only the 4th richest member of the Senate. He takes in about 6 million each cycle. Amy Klobuchar is a real enigma, somewhere between Patty Murray and Clare McCaskill as far as I can tell.
Dorgan really puzzles me. Sometimes he’s a fighting liberal. Sometimes he just folds. It’s probably his conservative constituency.
So lets see . . we have the following candidates for investigation:
(1) Rockefeller, (2) Schumer, (3) Brown, (4) Dorgan, (5) Whitehouse, (6) Leahy, (7) Franken, (8) Klobachur, (9) Harkin, (10) Wyden, (11) Durbin, (12) Boxer, (13) Murray, (14) Cardin, marginally, and (15) Feingold. You would think in that group we could tease 3 or 4 actual leaders out, wouldn’t you? Some of these guys, most notably Schumer, have a somewhat smelly background, but I’ll see what can be learned. I will say I have always been interested in why we can only rely on about half of this group on any one issue, but the money trail will tell alot, I’m sure. Feingold may be the most enigmatic of the bunch.
Don’t forget Barbara Mikulski, she could turn out to be a real winner.
Btw, we also forgot Paul Kirk, Kennedy’s appointed replacement and very close friend.
“. . . and refrain from alienating anyone with identity politics or turning into an issue potpourri.”
Bingo. The single issue nature of it is its strength.
Imagine an Intensive Care waiting room. Two families, one wearing Western wear and cowboy hats, the other more urban oriented, find themselves suffering together with loved ones enduring the trials of intensive care. The doctors, the shift changes, the insurance issues, the overnight waiting. Sooner or later through grief, triumph or both these 2 very different families make common cause. They learn and may eventually vote similarly at least on the issue of HCR. And who knows, maybe other issues as well.
I imagine that senario writ large.
But if you walk right in on day one and started talking about farm support issues and gay rights, well now you’re scratching out eyeballs.
I agree GDC707, but single issue things are movements or interest groups not parties. Look, as soon as someone runs for Congress or the Senate on the Party Ticket that person will be asked what they support on a range of issues, if everyone is all over the place and there are no core position son various issues, election of that person will be purely hit or miss, and may well be based on the idiosyncratic nature of the person running and not on single-payer support at all. In which caae the Rep. won’t feel bound to SP once in office. No I think there has to be a party platform, and, in the beginning very tight party discipline as well, because this party needs a very clear image as the champion of “the people,” and not the corporations.
That’s exactly what I’m talking about. A “clear” image with a core issue that touches almost all others, sometimes directly.
Look, I’m not saying the Party would’nt have policy positions on all the other issues. Of course it would, but always with the emphasis on how they affect your health and the health of the nation. Not always possible but usually so.
Something tells me we could produce policy positions at least as vacuous and opaque and deceitful as the 2 major parties for cryin out loud! /sn
Also, let’s please see my response to Teresa one above.
Now the equal rights of over half the population is an exotic side issue?
NO, everything else is an exotic side issue. I am a single payer advocate, but that is not going to happen…give it up, you have been had by Obama. You had a better chance, a much better chance with Clinton.
On the other hand, I do not have to join any third party. I just need to vote for women and if more women would get the fact that they will always come last to people like Obama and the juvenile bloggers that love him, they will also vote for women realizing that civil rights for the majority solves a whole lot of that other stuff.
I have NOT been HAD by Obama. I did not campaign for him and I did not vote for him. I voted for nobody. While I did get a little giddy on election night, I knew by the 2nd primary that he was probably a corporate stooge.
As to the rest of your charges, I ask that you go back and read my other comments on this thread. I try to explain why I do not want the party focus to get distracted by issues other than health care. Those positions would certainly BE there because you can’t have a political party w/out the full range of issue positions, but only as they relate to health care.
Believe me the issues of feminism are inextricably linked to the the challenges of health care,- undeniably. These connections should be emphasized. But not the “in your face” issues of feminism. That will lose you support, guaranteed.
After single-payer is passed and implemented I would’t care much if the focus of the Party changed (to primarily feminist or whatever) or even faded
away altogether. As I said: I’m trying to obtain a sane health care system. Everything else is somewhere down the ladder. All the feminism in the world isn’t going to help you if die because you have no insurance.