In my last post I discussed the Washington Post’s Hooverite anti-deficit campaign and Fred Hiatt’s recent piece in the deficit hysteria genre. Now, let’s look at the latest effort of Robert Samuelson, a well-known WaPo columnist to frighten us some more.
Like Fred Hiatt, Samuelson wants President Obama to pivot from health care reform and do something serious about “deficit control,” regardless of whether this will hurt economic recovery and leave us with high unemployment rates for a long time. He says:
”When historians recount the momentous events of recent weeks, they will note a curious coincidence. On March 15, Moody’s Investors Service — the bond rating agency — published a paper warning that the exploding U.S. government debt could cause a downgrade of Treasury bonds. Just six days later, the House of Representatives passed President Obama’s health-care legislation costing $900 billion or so over a decade and worsening an already-bleak budget outlook.”
”Should the United States someday suffer a budget crisis, it will be hard not to conclude that Obama and his allies sowed the seeds, because they ignored conspicuous warnings.”
Of course, this assumes that the United States, a sovereign nation with full control over its fiat currency system can ever have “a budget crisis.” And it also raises the question of what, exactly, “a budget crisis” is for such a sovereign nation. Samuelson implies that such a crisis would ensue if bond rating agencies downgraded US Treasuries because, supposedly that might drive up interest rates on them, and then he goes on to characterize “a budget crisis” in more detail:
”Let’s be clear. A "budget crisis" is not some minor accounting exercise. It’s a wrenching political, social and economic upheaval. Large deficits and rising debt — the accumulation of past deficits — spook investors, leading to higher interest rates on government loans. The higher rates expand the budget deficit and further unnerve investors. To reverse this calamitous cycle, the government has to cut spending deeply or raise taxes sharply. Lower spending and higher taxes in turn depress the economy and lead to higher unemployment. Not pretty.”
So, “a budget crisis” appears to be characterized by conditions of rising debts and deficits that lead to a vicious cycle. “Spooked investors” lead to higher interest rates on Government debt instruments, which further expand the deficit, which lead to further “spooking” and so on. Samuelson’s remedy? Why cut spending and raise taxes which, as he says, will depress the economy and create more unemployment. So, what’s a person to do?
Well, according to Samuelson, once you’re in this cycle, there’s nothing you can do to get a happy outcome. You can either stay in it and explode the deficits or you can have more unemployment. Can you stop the rise in interest rates? Samuelson doesn’t seem to think so, since he never mentions that the Government can absolutely ensure that rates do not rise and even fall by not borrowing to cover every dollar of spending. I’ve explained this somewhat in my discussion of Hiatt. But the best treatment of this I’ve seen is Bill Mitchell’s. I’ll let you read that for yourselves. But the upshot is that if the Government wants to, it can short-circuit Samuelson’s vicious cycle immediately, without either raising taxes or cutting spending. All it has to do is to spend without issuing debt. Samuelson doesn’t see that because he thinks the US Government must have money before it can spend. But that is not true. The Government spends first and gets money through taxation or borrowing only later. It must tax only to make its currency valuable and to control inflation. It must borrow only to control interest rates. By the way, Bill Mitchell has some very interesting things to say about ratings agencies like Moody’s, including that they are criminal organizations that ought to be outlawed. His posts on the ratings agencies are here and here, and are not to be missed. The bottom line is that downgrading the credit ratings of sovereign nations who have an unlimited capacity to spend and no debts denominated in any currency other than their own, makes no sense because these nations cannot possibly be forced to default on their debts. Thus, downgrading such nations is pure scaremongering, and, moreover, is likely to lead not to higher interest rates on debt instruments, but to the sovereign nations involved spending without issuing debt and, as a result driving short-term interest rates to near zero as the Japanese have done. So, the bottom line here, is that there is no vicious cycle of Samuelson’s in the offing for the United States, and that the only reason why he thinks so, is because he thinks the United States is like his own family and is fiscally constrained in the same way. I’ll come back to this view of Samuelson’s later. For now, however, let’s move on to his example of a budget crisis.
”Greece is experiencing such a crisis. Until recently, conventional wisdom held that only developing countries — managed ineptly — were candidates for true budget crises. No more. Most wealthy societies with aging populations, including the United States, face big gaps between their spending promises and their tax bases. No one in Congress could be unaware of this.”
AAh! Greece. Since Zimbabwe left the headlines, Greece has become the bad example the deficit hawks never tire of offering up to scare people. So, let’s get very clear on one thing. Greece is a member of the EU. As such, it doesn’t have control over its currency. It cannot just spend Euros without having tax revenues or borrowed money first. Greece did a very foolish thing in joining the EU and giving up sovereign control over its own currency. But for that very reason, it does not provide an example of a budget crisis that is relevant for the United States. Greece can become insolvent and may one day have to repudiate its Euro denominated debt. But the US never has to default on its debt denominated in US dollars, because when that debt comes due, all it has to do to pay it, is to use its computers to mark up the number of dollars in the savings accounts of its creditors at the Fed. It need not borrow money to do this. It need not raise taxes to do this. Again, all it has to do is to mark up the dollar value of those accounts. It has full authority to do this so it can never go broke so long as Congress doesn’t, foolishly, prohibit such spending. Samuelson continues on:
”Two weeks before the House vote, the Congressional Budget Office released its estimate of Obama’s budget, including its health-care program. From 2011 to 2020, the cumulative deficit is almost $10 trillion. Adding 2009 and 2010, the total rises to $12.7 trillion. In 2020, the projected annual deficit is $1.25 trillion, equal to 5.6 percent of the economy (gross domestic product). That assumes economic recovery, with unemployment at 5 percent. Spending is almost 30 percent higher than taxes. Total debt held by the public rises from 40 percent of GDP in 2008 to 90 percent in 2020, close to its post-World War II peak.”
Well, first, 90 percent is not close to our post-world war II peak debt to GDP ratio. That peak was at 121% in 1946, and is as far from 90% as that figure is from 60%, so I think Samuelson is showing his deficit hawkism, neo-liberal ideological bias here. Apart from that, however, Samuelson seems to have no hesitation in accepting these projections of CBO’s even as he expresses plenty of doubt about their projection that the Health Care Reform bill will actually produce a the savings CBO projects for it. I agree with Samuelson’s view that there are all sorts of reasons why it is unlikely that CBO’s projection of HCR savings will materialize, but unlike him, I think it is just as unlikely that the CBO projections about the economy, and the deficits and debt, he quotes, will actually occur.
In my earlier discussion of Hiatt’s latest Hooverite contribution to the annals of deficit hawkism, I pointed out that the CBO projections were very sensitive to small changes in assumptions. And in particular, to the assumption that GDP would grow only by 1.55 between 2010 and 2020, and also the assumption that interest rates on the public debt would rise from .023 to ,045 over the period of that decade. Tables One and Two from my post on Hiatt, show the changes that result if one assumes that the growth ratio will be more in line with historical levels, at 2.0, and also that the Government takes steps to ensure that interest rates stay constant at .023. Those two changes result in a totally different picture in which the absolute value of the national debt increases from $9.2 Trillion in 2010 to $10.7 Trillion in 2020, and the debt to GDP ratio declines from 69% in 2010 to 37% in 2020. Now, one can certainly argue over which assumptions are the best ones to use for projecting the next decade’s economic performance. However, two things are clear. First, CBO, along with everyone else, is very bad at projecting actual GDP growth out more than a couple of years, and as its projections get into the second half of a decade you can forget about any kind of accuracy in their GDP or revenue or cost projections. They are pure fiction. If you doubt that look at their record. And second, CBO is certainly on insecure ground in predicting the rise of interest rates on Federal debt. To see this all you have to do is look at the Japanese example, where national debt much higher than the United States co-exists with nearly zero interest rates on debt instruments. So, there is plenty of reason to think that the CBO projections and Samuelson’s opinions based on them are alarmist in the extreme. Samuelson goes on:
”Suppose the CBO estimate is correct. So? The $143 billion saving is about 1 percent of the projected $12.7 trillion deficit from 2009 to 2020. If the administration has $1 trillion or so of spending cuts and tax increases over a decade, all these monies should first cover existing deficits — not finance new spending. Obama’s behavior resembles It’s self-indulgent and reckless.”
Now this comment is pure Hooverite “deficit hawkism.” First, Samuelson is suggesting that Obama should have proposed both the tax increases in the HCR bill, and the cuts in Medicare expenditures without actually doing any of the spending specified in the Bill, and the devil take the consequences for the economy of such an anti-stimulative move, so long as the deficit and the debt are reduced. Of course, deficit hawks like Samuelson never tell you that a move such as that might very well actually add to the deficit by removing about $One Trillion from the economy over the period of a decade, causing a further slide into depression, and even more depressed tax revenues than we have now. But that’s their modus operandi. For them, deficit reduction is a religious belief, resistant to facts, and to cogent economic theory. Its economic impact is of no importance because balancing the budget is its own reward in heaven.
And second, in the last line of the above paragraph, we have the deficit hawk’s favorite analogy. In fact, it’s one frequently used by the President himself. The Government is like a family, you see. And just as “a highly indebted family’s taking an expensive round-the-world trip because it claims to have found ways to pay for it,” is being “self-indulgent and reckless,” so is the Obama Administration, in buying a new health care reform program without a more certain way to pay for it.
Well, Mr. Samuelson, let me tell you that the Government is not like a family, and it is not like a church, and it is not like a corporation of whatever size and grandeur, and it is not like a State Government, or a provincial Government, or even like a national Government that has debts in currencies that it does not control. Unlike any of these other collectives and social institutions, the United States Government is sovereign in its own currency, and it can spend freely in that currency if its Legislative and Executive branches wish to make the expenditures in question. Unlike a family or any other collective, it need not fund these expenditures first through tax revenues, or through borrowing, or by “earning” the money first. Unlike a family, or any other collective, It has the authority to just spend money in return for available goods and/or services, or to pay previously incurred interest or other obligations of the Government. None of this means that the Government was right to pass the HCR bill. Indeed, I think it is a bad bill and should have been killed. But that doesn’t change the fact that it was not financially irresponsible to pass the bill, however, foolish and irresponsible it was from a policy point of view. Nor does it change the fact that this bill introduces no greater risk of insolvency or “a budgetary crisis” than existed before its passage. There is no such “risk” and there is no such crisis. That one exists, is purely a product of the misunderstandings and fevered imaginations of deficit hawks like Samuelson, and his other mates at The Washington Post, a newspaper that has traded its progressive/liberal credentials for the garments of neo-liberal Hooverism.
(Also posted at the Alllifeisproblemsolving blog and Correntewire.com where there may be more comments)



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Lets, I get your point about a sovereign gov’t is NOT like a family and can “print money” as we used to say or “mark up dollars” on computers as I guess we now say to cover debts and provide for social expenditures and economic stimulus as needed.
But for purposes of explanation and clarification and perhaps verification, what would happen if we reverse the idea and imagine a state (say Arizona) or a county, or a city or heck, even a family of 5 is handed a printing press or computer and allowed to generate all the cash it feels it needs to maintain a just social order and invest in the community as needed?
I mean, does your model hold up on a micro-economic scale?
This may sound like a kooky question but I don’t intend it as such. I’m just trying to get my head around this idea of unleashing the mint and not having economic consequences, most prominently inflation which you once told me would be remedied by raising taxes which I don’t quite get either.
At any rate this would certainly seem to be the philosophical embodiment of conservative accusations that liberals are all about ‘tax and spend.’ Except in your construct it is actually “spend and tax.”
Thanks.
I think there’s an establishment goal with all this deficit hype. They want to cut programs like Social Security. There’s been deficit hysteria on NPR, at the NYTimes and now WaPo.
Anyway, why would the public want to take advise from folks with a long track record of being wrong on economics? Galbraith’s “Who are These Economists Anyway?” points out the consistent failure of “mainstream economics”:
Dean Baker’s “Beat the Press” regularly clobbers the incompetence of economic reporting at WaPo. Baker has pointed out that the Washington Post has regularly used as a realestate economic source the 2006 author of:
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I don’t advocate “unleashing the mint” in all situations and for just any old reason. But considering our current situation it makes good economic sense and has far fewer negative economic effects than the alternatives. Our current situation is high unemployment and a deflating money supply(thanks to the housing bubble/mortgage defaults).
So having the government “unleash the mint” just enough to stave off deflation and bring productive employment back to full makes sense.
More productive employment means more goods and services in the economy. So yeah, government has increased the money supply in circulation but things balance out because that increased money is chasing after an increased supply of goods and services.
The question I have for neoliberal economists is how does it make economic sense to fire teachers and/or shorten school weeks?
First off, unemployed teachers will collect unemployment insurance so we’re basically paying them to do nothing when we could just leave them employed and pay em to teach.
Secondly, teachers are national assets when put to good use. When does it ever make sense not to put them to good use?
Conservatives have a long history of spend and don’t tax.
Reagan spent a great deal on his military build up and cut taxes. Bush spent a great deal on his wars and cut taxes.
So really, why would conservatives feel justified being critical of anyone on spending? Do they have any proven basis to make such a critique?
Maybe the truth is that government spending can be good or bad depending on how the money is spent. And federal taxes are primarily a method of keeping the money supply in circulation stable.
As far as it goes the theory rests on the Idea that ‘increased production’ will compensate for the effects of inflation caused by the printing, and actually lead to a net gain in overall happiness and prosperity. Our capacity for producing goods and services to and selling them to each other is actually infinite.
They only care about getting control. They will say anything they need to say to make that most likely.
Deficits is the talking point that is poll testing best for them right now. That’s all.
Sorry to butt in, your questions are good ones and I’m curious about the answers too.
Yeah, that’s typically true but there’s more to it than that. And the folks that are talking about deficits go well beyond the R’s and D’s. Economists and reporters are all getting into the act.
The newly created deficit commission is going to put Social Security cuts on the table. That’s why the NYTimes, WaPo and even NPR are hyping up the deficit.
The Captain has it right. We are being set up for the gutting of Social Security. It will be another historic victory for the Democrats.
Thanks GDC 707. Some of the MMT writers have been using fictional micro-examples to make their points about the role of Government in a fiat money system. If you read the blogs below and follow the examples I think it will clarify a lot.
Warren Mosler gives the scenario of how this would work in a household on pp. 7-11 of his book draft, which you can download here.
Bill Mitchell has worked through simple micro examples here, here, here, and here.
Seems to me L. Randall Wray has written something like this up also, but I can’t locate it right now.
I agree. But we need to keep calling them out. As you say they’re part of an attempt by Versailles to whip up support for scaling down entitlements and further increasing poverty in the US on grounds that we can’t afford to do anything else. That’s a damn lie and the President is spreading it to. We’ve got to win the fight against that lie.
Never, all that stuff is nonsense. Obama should have had a stimulus that would have prevented state-level cuts of personnel. The states gave up their right to coin their own currency when they joined the Union. I think the Federal Government has the obligation to do what the States might have done for themselves if they still had the currency power. But this Government is not doing that. It’s a real failure economically in my view, and there’s no excuse for it.
If, by stable you mean not having inflation, then I agree completely.
That’s probably true, unfortunately. Are there any patriotic politicians left?
Right. See my reply.
Yes. That’s why I’m writing so much about this. I want my children and Grandchildren to have social security and I want everyone to have Medicare regardless of age. The President needs to be stopped on “entitlement reform” and he needs to get about the business of creating full employment. It’s time the Federal Government stopped ignoring the full employment act and does everything it can to create full employment.
Federal taxes are also about allocation of resources in our society, in other words social engineering. What we have seen for the last 30 years is a re-allocation to the richest who have used their increased wealth to blow a series of wealth destroying bubbles.
What our elites are doing is Hooverism but it is also about control. They want to use the levers of government to continue to loot it for themselves. They use deficit control as a means of shutting out everyone else from a call on discretionary funding and justifying the slashing of entitlements.
As you note, it is not just having a fiat currency but having our debt denominated in that currency that gives us control over our debt situation and, of course, as an extension of that that dollars are also the world’s reserve currency.
And I think there is also the matter of priorities in the Federal Budget.
We’re chasing around how many guys with guns and rockets in Afghanistan and using Billions to do so? A few hundred, thousand or so and we’re spending Billions? … (and I’m not mentioning the morality in doing so or lack thereof)
We are not at war yet are maintaining a Wartime Army, Navy and Air Force along with their WarTime Budgets. Pure Lunacy
Right.
Yes they are. But even if they weren’t we’d still have a fiat currency without debt in other currencies, so we would still have no solvency crisis.
It is. Apart from not going in in the first place, we should have declared victory when we overthrew the Taliban and Saddam’s Government and then gone home.
Lets, I hope you participate in the book review today at 5 pm EDT with Simon Johnson and get his take on your perspective.
I’m a tax the wealthy kind of guy. They rigged the system and now control 90% of the money in this country while constituting only 5 to 10% of the population. With the collusion of Congress and the Executive, and now the Courts, they have been able to gobble up all the wealth of this country. You want to solve the debt problem? Follow the money. Clinton’s ’93 tax package put us in the black. I say do something like that again. If it has to be a little sharper regarding the holdings of the wealthy, well, I make it a policy never to feel sorry for rich people.
Thanks ubetchaiam, I’ll try to get there.
I’m in agreement with what you say and am all for higher marginal tax rates for the wealthy and enacting a healthy inheritance tax once again. However, taxing the wealthy won’t create the jobs people need right now and solving a non-existent debt problem won’t either. From the point of view expressed above there is no debt problem. There is only a problem of low activity and low employment. Those are the problems we should be, but are not, addressing.
The truth is that if we go into the black again we will have another recession, and that because the private sector has a propensity to save, the Government must always step in a modern economy and have some deficit spending
I’ve never seen the progressive income tax primarily as a revenue-raising measure. We’d need it even if raising revenue were not an issue. Progressive taxation is a leveler that keeps a wealthy minority from metastisizing into a hereditary artistocracy. Money is power. So, if we want to preserve the ideals of equality under the law and one man/one vote, then we have to redistribute the dollars via taxation.
While it might do little to generate jobs in a depressed economy, progressive taxation would do much to improve the quality of the economic and political decisions create the economic future. Their money gave our croney capitalists connections. Connections gave them access to even more money–our money–and a degree of control over our collective economic future that was out of all proportion to their intelligence, judgment, and honesty. Reducing gross inequalities in wealth means more meritocracy, less croneyism, and better decisions all around.
You know the founding Fathers thought the Government could make money without taxes.
Once they were allowed to start taxing there will never be an end.
Have You heard one of our 535 Memebers of Congress actually suggest the Government try making money other than taxing more.
When we elect nincompoops to office we get nincompoops in office.
Nincompoops seldom are any good at solving probems, but as we have seen are really good at making problems.
Except of course… the Federal government does not “make money” by taxation. The Federal government’s power resides in it’s ability to issue currency. And it has had that power since the time of the founders.
Yup, I mean, it is possible to issue too much currency into circulation. With the result being price inflation and/or shortages. But we are currently very far from that point.
Even though there’s no disagreement, I’d expand on good government spending vs bad government spending because many deficit hawks seem to have bought into the false notion that all government spending is bad or even equally bad.
My idea of good government spending is on things that improve the economy. An old school example of this was the continental railroad, a historic economic improvement for the nation. Abe Lincoln provided government land grants and government bonds for it’s construction.
Bad government spending is even more obvious. Our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. What do we get out of these wars for all the men and material consumed by the wars? Many returning soldiers will be economic invalids due to acquired heroin habits, injuries and mental problems. This is medieval big government spending with medieval economic results.
Yup. True enough.
It’s just insulting to have to repeatedly make the case that the neoliberal folks are incorrect when the nations economic results have already proven them to be incorrect. As Galbraith said, we’re trying to hold a debate with a Politburo.
Henry Carey was debunking Ricardo’s economic notions over 150 years ago… yet some people are still buying into that crap and powerful elements in our estabilishment keep on selling it.
It has. It’s a very traditional power.
The expansion is well-taken. Every Government expenditure should be evaluated relative to its public purposes. I think the Obama Administration has been doing a lousy job of that. Almost as bad as the Bush 43 Administration.
We’re not really holding a debate in order to persuade them since, as you say, they are the Politburo. However, our job is to give them what for, so people don’t drown in all their noise.
I quite agree, and if I had my way, we’d go right back to the kind of wealth distributions we saw in the post-wwII period.
I see that. I was really just expressing my lack of fear over the debt. In ’93 no one really believed Clinton’s tax plan would create surpluses, but it did. It was simple actually. But what the deficit-hawks don’t seem to realize is that deficit spending can be investment in the country that eventually pays dividends. If we’d quit with the empire bullshit we could invest in tons of job creation in infrastructure, environmental clean up just to name a couple of things. And these are things that would make the country noticeably better. We’d have something to show for our investments.
Those Clinton year surplus’s were tech bubble related. An entirely unsustainable phenomenon. And anyway, our government balancing its budget equates to the general public falling further into debt.
Under the US Dollar reserve system, US trade deficits are the long term rule. As the world economy grows, international demand for US Dollars increases. How do nations get US Dollars? They export goods to us. Come hell or high water, foreign nations will(and do) collectively extract dollars from the US economy.
That trade deficit translates into either more government spending or more public spending. In other words, either the US government or the US public is gonna go into debt to cover the trade deficit.
I couldn’t agree more. The empire needs to end. We need to bring our people home.
That’s right, and that’s fine, since the Trade deficit makes us richer in real goods. BTW, Modern Monetary Theorists think that the Clinton surplus was responsible for the recession at the end of his Presidency and the beginning of Bush’s. Without that recession, enough votes might have swung to the Democrats so that Gore would have succeeded Clinton and not Bush.