These last couple of days, I happened to see a couple of pieces by Robert Borosage. The first of these called “Kick the Old and Disabled to Show We’re Serious About Deficits,” is about organizing and fighting back against the deficit terrorist movement to cut Social Security, and reported that Borosage’s organization, the Campaign for America’s Future, “has joined with 50 other organizations (and growing) representing 35 million Americans to form a coalition”, called “Strengthen Social Security.” He also refers to a panel on Social Security at Netroots Nation that will be “inviting the bloggers across the country to help fend off the assault on Social Security, and join the debate about priorities over the next years.” Then he ends with this:
”This country has big decisions to make in the months and years ahead. We’ve still got a long way to go to get people back to work and to get this economy going. We’ve got to build a strong foundation for a new economy that will provide shared prosperity and rebuild a broad middle class. We need to address global warming — and capture a leading role in the green industrial revolution that will transform our lives. Fix our broken health care system whose soaring costs will be unaffordable for businesses, families or government and get our budgets back in order. Redress our growing domestic public investment deficit — in basic infrastructure like sewers, roads, an efficient electric grid, in education and training, in research and development. Balance our trade, and revive manufacturing in America. End two wars and stop spending as much as the rest of the world combined on our military budget. Clean up our politics, curb the influence of money, and reform the dysfunctional Senate. Empower workers and fix our broken immigration system. The daunting check list can go on.
”But one thing we don’t need. We don’t need politicians demonstrating their "credibility" by kicking the elderly and the disabled. We don’t need to fix a Social Security program that isn’t broken. The best "fix" for Social Security is simply to tell the truth about it.”
The second piece, “How Obama and the Dems Can Get Us Out of the Huge Economic Hole We’re in,” is a strategy piece for Democrats. It 1) outlines all the bad things out there that are putting the public in a sour mood approaching the mid-term elections, 2) describes the gloomy (for Dems) recent poll results, 3) covers the Dem attempts to frame the election as a contest between “the policies that led us into this mess and the policies that are leading us out of this mess,” as well as their attempts to sell the idea that they should be credited with the most dramatic and consequential set of reforms passed ind decades, 4) highlights the Republicans’ obstructionism and framing the contest as being about voting against the Dems’ lack of good results, 5) emphasizes the fact that the economy doesn’t look like it’s out of the woods yet and will give the Dems something to run on, and 6) points out the Dems’ intention to continue to push a “multi-faceted reform agenda.” He then gets to his point which is:
”. . . the White House would be better advised to focus as much as possible on jobs, even at the risk of aggravating liberals and constituency groups. The president needs to speak directly and repeatedly on where we are, explaining the reality that while the recovery act did stop the freefall and generated millions of jobs, the crisis was far worse than predicted. He should be calling for more action to create jobs. Raise the ante with a bold package of measures — including direct public hiring, aid to states and localities, use the money paid back by the banks to give small business access to lower interest loans, call for an infrastructure bank to mobilize private capital to rebuild America. Shelve the free trade agreements and challenge China and Germany, stating flatly that the US will not allow a return to the old global imbalances. Call on states and localities to pass and enforce domestic content legislation to ensure that taxpayers dollars create jobs here rather than abroad. Push the elements in the energy bill that generate jobs — from retrofitting public buildings to permanent tax credits for renewable energy sources. Push passage of jobs creating transport and infrastructure appropriations.
”The conservative noise machine already argues that the president, having run up record deficits with a failed stimulus program, now wants more of the same. Virtually all of these measures will be opposed — as everything else has been — by Republicans. Little of it will survive the inevitable Republican filibuster in the Senate.
”Why propose what is unlikely to pass? Because these measures are needed, and at least will clearly define the choice for this fall. Why propose measures that will increase the deficit that people are said to be freaked out about? Because the majority of Americans, if forced to choose, make the right choice – for focus on jobs over deficits. So pose the choice between a White House and Democratic Congress still pushing for action on jobs, and an opposition focused on deficits and wedded to the policies that drove us off of the cliff.”
So, let’s imagine that we all lined up behind Borosage’s calls for support. What would that get us if we were completely successful? First, we’d get no changes to Social Security, except perhaps a rise in the FICA wage cap. The Administration would abandon plans to “reform” SS further for the time being, or until the next time they want to get the “left” jacked up about something. However, the “Catfood Commission” would still be coming out with recommendations the Administration might try to get through the lame duck Congress so it could persuade the bond markets that the US is fiscally responsible. If SS were off the table, then what would be left for the Commission and the Administration to propose?
Well, based on the AmericaSpeaks worksheet on budgetary options, the Commission might still recommend changes like the following. A series of incremental gradually increasing across the board cuts in the following categories so that by 2025 the following spending cuts would have been achieved: 1) $300B in health care cuts; 2) $204 Billion in non-Defense Expenditure cuts; 3) $132 Billion in Defense Expenditure cuts. In addition, they might recommend 4) a range of tax increases designed to “share the pain” across all tax payers and to raise $250 Billion in 2025, 5) a value-added tax providing $400 Billion in revenue in 2025, and 6) “tax reform” that would eliminate most deductions lower rates, and also raise some $642 Billion in additional tax revenue in 2025. The Commission would of course emphasize that with Social Security off the table, it will be even more important to pass a framework leading us to make spending cuts and tax increases of this kind so that our projected deficits in the period 2020 – 2025 are much more manageable. And they would probably suggest that the cut in the projected deficit we should aim for should be $1.2 to $1.8 Trillion, given a deficit projection for 2025 of $2.46 Trillion.
Now suppose that comes to pass. What will Borosage and his progressive coalition do then? Will they just accede to the deficit hawks wishes because SS was spared? How will they mobilize opposition to some of these cuts and new taxes in just the few short weeks of the lame duck session? What will they do if the proposed reductions cut deeply, as they almost certainly will do, into our efforts to solve all the other problems Borosage calls out?
In other words, is Borosage’s focus on opposition to SS cuts, rather than on opposition to the whole idea of a plan for implementing spending cuts and tax increases in order to hit a target 15 years from now that is based on projections about the economy and the Government’s financial state that is almost certainly way off the mark, the wrong focus? Shouldn’t a coalition of progressive organizations instead be focused on opposition to deficit terrorism itself, on the very idea of the fiscal commission, and on the Administration’s support for this idea? Isn’t it, after all, the ideology of deficit terrorism, and its Hooverite associated policies, that are the main barriers standing in the way of our beginning to meet all the challenges in Borosage’s check list? If so, then why isn’t Borosage organizing a coalition to go after that? Why is he organizing in a way that at best will save Social Security, but will cost us all kinds of other things we are loathe to sacrifice?
Which brings us to Borosage’s strategy piece. Here he recommends all kinds of good things for the Democrats to do that may be both effective and popular, but acknowledges that: “Virtually all of these measures will be opposed — as everything else has been — by Republicans. Little of it will survive the inevitable Republican filibuster in the Senate.” And then he says:
”Why propose what is unlikely to pass? Because these measures are needed, and at least will clearly define the choice for this fall. . . .”
So, this is not about getting anything done. It’s about politics. If we have success and the Democrats advocate for the things Borosage calls out, then where are we? Well, the campaign messaging will indicate a clear choice between the two parties, and the Democrats may win the mid-term election, or at least hold down their losses, so that they still retain effective control of both Houses of Congress. But, so what? What does that get progressives?
Well, at least the Republicans won’t be in nominal control of Congress, and they won’t be totally neutering Obama with investigations. That’s certainly something. But, maybe not much for all the millions of Americans suffering because this Administration hasn’t actually solved a single problem. The really important question is: what reason do we have to believe that the Administration will pass any of the measures Borosage lists even if there is a nominally Democratic Congress? After all, it has such a Congress now, and what has it passed that is truly worthwhile. I won’t go through the usual litany of progressive disappointments with this Administration. We all know what they are. The point is that I don’t trust this Administration a bit to either tell the truth, keep its promises, or represent anyone but a small minority of the population. And I’m sure many other progressives feel as I do.
If the Democrats do win, what’s to prevent them from giving us a lot more kabuki, and then blaming the Republicans, and the filibuster, for their failure once again? What’s to prevent them from coming back right after the election, and passing a good many of the recommendations of the Catfood Commission, even if they’ve promised during the campaign to return to their populist roots? I think the answer is nothing. And the question I have is why Borosage isn’t telling the Administration and the Democratic Party in Congress that what they need to do is to immediately prove to working people that they will represent them by passing the list of things he has called for.
I know, I know; there’s no time left for that before the election, especially since the Republicans will filibuster everything the Democrats try to pass. Well, guess what? There is plenty of time to pass these measures if the Democrats get rid of the filibuster first by using “the nuclear option.” And they can follow that with all the legislation Borosage has proposed. So why aren’t he and other progressives calling for that? Why aren’t they calling for Democrats to prove that they can really be trusted to be Democrats rather than corporate shills, before the election.
As far as I’m concerned, they’ve already gotten our votes and our support, and they’ve failed to prove they deserved either. In my view, it’s time for them to put up or shut up. Only performance will now suffice to persuade those among the progressive base who think we’ve been screwed, that this group of Democrats is worth trusting again, or that they can be believed when they make campaign promises.
So, my question is, why hasn’t Borosage advised the Democrats to perform, to pass the measures he suggests and in that way to show the public that there is a clear choice between Democrats and Republicans? Why is asking them for promises they are unlikely to keep, if elected, enough for him, and other Washington progressives?
That is, and with respect to both the columns I reviewed, Why doesn’t Borosage propose actions that, if successful, will really mean a victory for progressives, and not just a result that still leaves them in a defensive crouch, thinking that things could be even worse than they are, and hoping for changes that will never take place? Why is it that Washington-based progressives always seem to ask for less than what is necessary to get a concrete result that solves a problem? Why is it that they stop short of actually proposing solutions to the problem of the Catfood Commission and propose instead a solution for its attempts to cut Social Security alone? Why is it that they propose a solution to the problem of seeing to it that Democrats have a better chance to win in the Fall; but no solution to the problem of how the Democrats can get the legislation they need passed so that they can actually win in the Fall?
Could it be that the various progressive interest groups based in Washington to defend progressive interests have learned the wrong lessons too well? Could it be that they have learned how to mingle with other Washington elites and also learned the limits of "acceptable behavior" in order to keep a place at the table? Could it be that it is acceptable to try to protect Social Security, but not acceptable to try to force the President to give up his Catfood Commission and his foolish ideas about what constitutes fiscal responsibility and sustainability? Could it be that it is acceptable to advise the Democrats about what to do about their messaging, but not to say to them that if they don’t actually do what is necessary to make that messaging believable, then the progressive coalition will see to it that they sustain a big electoral defeat in 2010, and, if necessary, split the Party in 2012, to ensure that there is a nominee running for President in 2012 who is likely to represent the interests of the people?
Democrats cannot serve two masters. They cannot serve both corporate interests and the people. They cannot serve Wall Street and Main Street. They cannot serve the haves and the have-nots. What Borosage should be organizing is a coalition of progressive organizations spanning the range of all interests threatened by the Catfood Commission, and this coalition should be asking the President and the Congress to immediately disband the Commission, and to abandon plans to manage Government spending using deficits, the debt, and the debt-to-GDP ratio. Government spending should be evaluated only in terms of its likely real effects on American society and the economy at any point in time. It should be evaluated only relative to its public purposes, and to the impact it has on Borosage’s list of challenges and additional challenges he doesn’t mention. That is true fiscal responsibility.
Those challenges are the real problems, not some entirely unreliable projections about what the future state of the deficit may be that is very unlikely to come to pass. A progressive coalition of interest groups should make it clear that its support for the Democratic Party in the coming election is conditional on concrete action and results before the election; that pie-in-the-sky promises won’t do. Immediate action getting legislation passed is necessary. The coalition should also make it clear that its support also requires the Democratic Senate to immediately end the filibuster forever, and pass the measures advocated by Borosage before the election, and before October 1st, so that there is time to campaign on these legislative achievements. And if they won’t act before the election, then let’s see ‘em win it without us.
(Cross-posted at All Life Is Problem Solving and Fiscal Sustainability).



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“Deficit Terrorists” is right! And they’ve infected discussions on this topic across the boards.
Even here at FDL I run into this stuff on the boards:
It would be a progressive message if it wasn’t tainted with propaganda from the deficit terrorists.
Talk of budget surpluses as a goal…. it hurts just to read that….
In 1835, under President Andrew Jackson, the US Federal Budget was balanced and the National Debt was paid in full. This has never happened since.
In the economic boom of the Roaring ’20s, the Federal Budget ran surpluses for ten consecutive years. This also has never happened since.
Ah, ‘American’s’ and history; it’s just a word to them.
Greece collapsed financially. But this can never happen here.
You still -seemingly- don’t want to recognize the difference between Greece and it’s usage of the Euro for currency and the dollar.
Hey, Joe, congrats on getting front-paged on the Motherblog and thanks for all the hard work.
I think the bond market will be more concerned with the US’s willingness to default on its T-Notes, then impressed with it’s willingness to throw old people into the street.
Jobs!! It all comes down to jobs. We need jobs or this country will stay in a funk. So unless Obama pivots to that, he and the dems are certain to lose come November. They may lose anyway but its still the economy. If he takes a run at SS he will also lose of that I have no doubt. I will support the dems because of what my daddy and uncle said to me many years ago: the republicans and democrats are about the same, they cheat and steal, but the democrats give a little back once and a while. Or words to that effect. The deficit be damned for in the long run we are all dead so sayeth Mr Keynes whom I admired as well.
Yes and the fact interest rates are so low suggests investors are not worried about the deficit as much as our repug friends.
How about we end our costly and pointless wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and come home? How much money do they think that would save us? Also, stop paying those blood sucking parasite private contractors as well? How about we revitalize our military by actually using the military to care for itself as opposed to outsourcing it to private industry for the lowest dollar? We pay lip service to caring about the troops, but considering how budgeting is done, it speaks volumes to the degree in which we care.
That’s right, we can’t do that. If we did that Lockheed or Boeing won’t give campaign contributions to the “grass roots” President Obama. :
He’s such a sham.
Yes, and those private contractors are really blood suckers. That should be a special target all by itself.
What a great post!
Borosage is an Establishment liberal. All this nonsense about what the Democrats can, or might, or should do is beside the point and wastes time. They and Obama have had 18 months to show us what they can do. During that time, they have pursued an across the board anti-progressive agenda. We need to be opposing Democrats, not finding excuses for them or telling them about peachy progressive ideas that they don’t give a flying fuck about.
Everyone also has forgotten Goldman’s role and the corrupt Greek government.
It’s so easy to say that spending on the people of a country is “unsustainable”.
The US will never get out of this mess without jobs…unless that is the whole point to make a depression stick this time…which I’m beginning to think is the case.
Hey, want to go after the deficit, let those Bush tax cuts on the rich run out. And if the repugs argue that will cut the expansion then spend that money on a railroad or something. why can’t the average person get behind that?
Hell, the rich are even balking at the raise of the estate tax. they just don’t want to contribute at all.
1. Those rust belt jobs are not coming back. They’re going, going gone. There are dozens of outsourcing firm that can get it done for you overseas at a big savings, and there are hundreds of temp agencies in the USA.
2. Employers are not hiring, even when business is up. There’s too much paperwork rules, and too many taxes now being increased by mandatory health care.
3. The economy has to be transformed and greened, focusing on government investments in new technology, mandating domestic employment. The restrictions on neighborhood small businesses need to lifted — zoning, licensing, health, etc. — to allow out-of-work people to make a buck. Call it the new national security economy.
3. Social security, medicare and medicaid are 39% of US expenditures, and social security taxes are 42% or receipts. Pretty even. Leave ‘em be.
4. The Pentagon and Homeland security are bleeding the country dry, but there are no taxes to pay for them. We need a national security tax. Pay as you go. That’d tell people where their money is going.
5. Then rapidly phase down the war and other Pentagon spending and shift the military expenditures into the new national security economy, financed by the national security taxes.
Yup, if they even happen to bump into such words.
Roaring 20′s budget surplus’s -> Great Depression
Andy Jackson retired the national debt in 1835 -> Panic of 1837, 5 year depression with high unemployment and bank failures.
Contracting the money supply trashes the economy. When that guy says that we need jobs and budget surpluses…. it like saying we need to protect the future for our children and we need to fire hundreds of thousands of teachers.
I suppose you know the estate tax is exactly – - zero this year. Maybe they would like that to continue?
I’m just now listening to Bruce sing “Glory Days” about those jobs not coming back. We need to change tax policy to make jobs in the US more effective. Stop the transfer policies and allowing companies to keep profits overseas.
Ike had a surplus as did Clinton – indeed under Clinton the national debt on 12/31/2000 was lower than it was on 12/31/1999.
But the GOP do not believe in surplus, making their screams about deficit rather hollow.
A public option is the only real change that will bend the deficit curve because most of the increase is health – but a very major part of defict cutting is if defense was cut a few hundred billion as we get to one conflict within minor nation using a strategy that is something other than big battle planning – with CIA’s 60 billion returned to pre-9/11 levels of 25 billion – would be major start on spending cuts.
Meanwhile remove the wage cap on Social Security payroll taxes and benefits, and the economy and the Social Security program get much healthier.
Before we spend the time putting a bunch of resources into this, let’s ask ourselves a simple series of questions.
When Republicans are in power which socio-economic interests do they serve? Which socio-economic group do almost all the Democratic Party leadership and federal-level elected officials belong to?
If you correctly answered, “The wealthiest top few percent.” Then suddenly this begs the question, why would Democratic leadership and officials care if Republicans take over, and why would they do material harm to themselves and their peers to try to prevent it from happening?
It makes no sense at all to consider that there’s any leverage to be had by threatening their control, when even if they lose, they still win.
I have one ps: On this filibuster thing, be careful what you ask for. the real way to beat it is at the polls.
Yes please. We need a non-Wallstreet party. The Dems are currently riddled with Wallstreet lackeys.
We need to spend better not spend less. Spend less and you’ll crash the economy.
A quite succinct, if one can use that term to refer to your writings, statement on the role of the establishment progressives (otherwise known as the fagans of the DLC) in their attempts to sooth the real progressive base of the Democratic Party. Nathan, I believe, is correct that the Dems have not that much to loose even if they do loose. But this is true only if their survival is not threatened. The best thing the progressive netroots can do is to shun the Democrats, watch them loose in 2010 and 2012, and send a whole bunch of these entrenched Democratic legislators to the unemployment line. Progressives will not gain anything until they purge and then replace the current Democratic power structure. What I think is hard for some to get around is that the country will be in the same shape no matter which of these parties controls the strings of government. We do the country no favor by continuing to play their game. A vote for Democrats is a vote to maintain the system and the right-wing status quo. The Republicans want to suck the wealth out of the middle class for their corporate friends, the Democrats are doing the sucking for them.
Damn, this is excellent! Articulate and directly on point, thank you for writing it!
Kick ass.
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“Old Dan Tucker”
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9M5SOqi1n0
I watched Senator Al Franken’s Netroots Nation speech (carried live on Faux News Channel). It was a pretty good speech, but his main point was, too bad progressives didn’t get everything they wanted. Now is the time to concentrate on making sure the Republicans don’t take away the few things we did get.
All part of the Dem “vote for us because we’re not quite as bad as the Republicans” platform.
Spend less and you will crash the economy – well not quite that simple.
It does not matter who spends – - non-gov sources, or gov sources, as long as there is spending. The problem with tax cuts and lower gov spending is we can not be sure that those getting the tax cuts will spend all of that money, replacing the money cut from gov spending.
But if gov spending – even defense spending assuming it is going through our GDP rather than being a gift to those outside the US – is cut and not replaced by non-gov spending we get a shortage in “demand” – and the economy does indeed go into a tail-spin.
In sum- we can cut defense spending if private spending will replace those cuts. Indeed the accelerator on single use bombs is not high (/s) so your comment about smarter spending is spot on! :-)
Hi cap, Not only does it hurt, it’s also exactly the wrong thing to do. Take a look at the historical record.
I am shocked and saddened by how fast Franken became part of the village.
Hi Bruce, Jackson’s eradicating the national debt led to a serious depression just a few years later, and, of course, The Great Depression followed the surpluses of the ’20s. The surpluses weren’t the only cause, of course. But when the Government runs surpluses, either the private sector has to run a deficit, or the foreign sector has to have a highly positive balance of trade. The tariff Wars of the late 1920s led to a decline in US exports, and that plus the stock market crash, plus the surpluses drove the system into the Great Depression.
Again see Randy Wray’s piece.
Thanks Ralph. I posted this last night and have been out all day seeing my Granddaughters, so I haven’t had a chance to look at the Motherblog. But I will now.
Hi Ralph, No indication who promoted it. But thank you to whoever among the mods did.
The difference is that Greece and none of the other members of the Eurozone are sovereign in their own currency, while the US is. Because it is the US can never be forced into insolvency. It can if it does stupid things have an inflation problem. But that is a different issue.
Recently, there was a debate at Paul Krugman’s blog about this issue. It seems to me that Paul ceased arguing or implying that deficit problems could be solvency problems for the US and focused the later part of his argument on inflation. Jamie Galbraith and others successfully countered Paul’s argument in my view.
Why would the US ever default on either its T-Notes or its SS payments? All it has to do to pay both, it just mark up the accounts of the people it owes the payments to. Since the US has unlimited constitutional authority to mark up these accounts, I don’t see why you think there is a problem.
And don’t tell me the Bond Market will drive our interest rates, because we can control those interest rates if we choose and the ‘effin Bond Market has nothing to say about it. In fact, we probably ought to just spend what we need to and quit issuing debt instruments at all. See here.
Bluedot we badly need another choice besides the Ds and Rs. Both are bought by the corps and we need a party that is not.
True, true, and true.
Thanks Kassandra. I appreciate it.
Well, let’s get to organizing that that third Party then. From my point of view organizations like CAF and the 49 others that have joined with them in their coalition are supposed to be representing us independently of the Democratic Party. They’re supposed to be pressuring the Dems on our behalf. Instead they’re pressuring us on Obama’s behalf. It’s a scandal. We need a whole new interest group infrastructure. The people at Netroots this year should have been foaming at the mouth at the actions of this Administration, but we didn’t see much of that, did we?
I don’t think the globalists care about Main Street’s recession. They got bailed out of their crash of 2008. They don’t care about the collateral damage from the crash, which is to say, “us.”
Let them run out and also create new tax brackets with a maximum marginal tax rate for guys like Buffett and Gates of 70%. As I said above, past time to get serious.
Put the outsourcing firms and outsourcing itself out of business. You know what Sarkozy did in France. He passed laws preventing French firm that moved manufacturing to China from selling in France. We need that here along with industrial policy.
Also, get over the idea that the Government has to finance it spending. It doesn’t. There’s only one currency in this country — USD. And the Government has unlimited constitutional authority to create money by spending. It doesn’t have to finance any of its spending, and as an operational matter of the nuts and bolts of how it spends money, it doesn’t finance spending. After spending, it issues debt instruments, but this is a foolish and optional choice that will cost the US $11.8T over the next 15 years if extensions of CBO’s projections out to 2025 are to be believed (which btw, I really don’t).
ubetcha!
Exactly!
papau, surpluses cause recessions or depression as did the Clinton surplus that Bush inherited. Clinton and his cronies still won’t admit that they were wrong to run those surpluses. They refuse to learn the right lessons and then they communicate their BS to Obama, who appoints people like Summers, Geithner, Peter Orszag, Jack Lew, and Ben bernanke to run the economy. So now the third term of Bill Clinton is going to get Great Depression II.
As for the PO, lay it to rest please. That trick pony has given us nothing but grief and the opportunity for the kabuki we saw last year and earlier this year. To cut national expenditures on health care we must not accept anything less than Medicare for All, and preferable the Conyers-Kucinich version of it which was by far the best hcr bill to hit the Congress last year.
Politically, the PO got us nothing except confused messaging. Leave it behind, get Medicare for All and drive the health insurance companies out of our misery.
Nathan, But that’s not the point. The point is that if we ultimatum them and they tell us to f__K ourselves, then we can go ahead and form another Party with the whole progressive coalition behind it. In other words, I don’t want to play kabuki for the next ten years. I want to bring this to a head, so the veal pen progressives can’t stay in the veal pen.
No. The filibuster has no place in a democratic legislature. I know the dangers of not having it very well. But it has immobilzed the Senate and fed into the kabuki that is Washington’s modus operandi. It needs to go tomorrow, and if it does then the Dems will no longer be able to use it as an excuse for not passing what we need.
We always need to spend better. So much of what we spend today is to benefit the top 3%.
I agree cb. In fact, I also think that if you and I are wrong about the Democratic Party, then the best thing we can do is to act as if they are just as corrupt as the Republicans. Since this will only hasten the day they may strat acting like Democrats again. In other words, whether they’re hopeless, or whether they’re not, treating them as if they hopeless is the best thing we can do right now if we want real change.
Thanks transparait.
Thanks again. Haven’t heard that one in a long time.
Tell me why aren’t their any speeches at Netroots telling the Dems what they can do with that kind of crap.
I hadn’t realized he’d gone that far into the village. But that Netroots speech says that he too is co-opted.
What are the chances Dems will make a game-changing-forever change in filibuster rules 100 days before the election for a new Senate? Zero. Particularly an election in which Dems seem poised to lose some seats as it is. No Dem ran for office in 2008, 2006, or 2004 on a promise to change filibuster rules. There are probably fewer than 10 legislating weeks remaining before the election since the House and Senate will likely not be in session for October because of electioneering.
That’s an excellent point. I have been watching a little of the NN10 thing on Livestream and I am having difficulty finding people expressing that “angry/disappointed progressive” view. I hear a lot from people telling us how we need to keep trying or fear mongering about what will happen if we let the Republicans win, but no one actually addressing our concerns directly.
I can’t find the Nancy Pelosi Q&A following her speech (or even her speech for the matter). Found one thing from Al Franken, but I don’t think it is the right speech.
END THE TAX VACATION FOR THE RICH !!The Bush tax vaction for the wealthiest of the country was a failed experiment. “Trickle down economics” is flawed economic policy. It has had nearly 10 years to work. Only the top 5% of the wealthiest in the nation are better off today, and the other 95% are feeling the back Pain of joblessness, expenses of two wars and a failed economy. The tax vacation is OVER.
It’s Sunday, I think progressives ought to work with others and save the souls of the rich. Remember what Jesus said:”It is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get to heaven”.
Well while the post is thoughtful it seems to miss Bob Borosage’s whole point.
There is very good evidence that the Catfood Commission conceives of its real role as starting and stopping with Social Security ‘Reform’, that all the rest of it is just a blind. Consider this. From the beginning of the Obama presidency the Republicans have been pushing one or another form of the Catfood Commission, from the House side the Cooper-Wolf SAFE Commission, from the Senate Conrad-Gregg. Each was the topic of conversation at each opportunity from the Blue Dogs meeting with Obama in Feb 2009, to the first question at both the Fiscal Responsibility and Health Care Summits in the Spring. Then in the summer we had the cross endorsement of the Congressional efforts and those of the Brookings-Heritage Fiscal Seminar and the Peterson-Pew Commission. But they never got their shot until the debate over raising the Debt Limit when Republican leadership made a vote on Conrad-Gregg a non-negotiable demand. Then a funny thing happened at the last minute.
It was called the ‘Baucus Social Security Amendment’ and it did a simple thing, it removed Social Security cuts from the list of proposals that could be included in an up or down vote as a result of Conrad-Gregg passing as an amendment. The Baucus amendment passed with 97 yes votes at which point Republican leadership simply pulled support for the Conrad-Gregg amendment. The only conclusion I could come to is that they were not interested in any package of spending cuts and tax increases that did not also serve to gut Social Security along the way, taking Social Security out of the mix killed that version of the Catfood Commission.
Of course Obama went ahead and appointed a Commission of his own. Bob B I think is just betting that we can get the same result now as we did on the debt limit votes, get SS off the table and all that deficit hawkery will go by the wayside.
Cutting Social Security has just about zero impact on deficit outlook going forward, and exactly zero by the 2015 date the Catfood Comm is officially targeting. None of this is really about deficits, almost all of it is about rolling back the New Deal while pissing on FDRs grave.
I agree with you that the chances of the Democrats doing what I proposed are near zero. That’s what’s wrong with them and the system in Washington that they’ve been perpetuating. Bring “realistic” is doing what will work. Passing a $1.6 Trillion stimulus bill centered around high multiplier fiscal actions would have ended the Main Street recession by now. Taking the big banks into resolution and ridding them of toxic assets would have moved them out of the center of the political system and would have weakened opposition to other changes, and would have taken care of too big to fail. Passing a credit card reform that capped interest at 5 points over prime would have helped consumer demand and been very popular. Passing Medicare for All (HE 676) and making it operative by this coming September would have solved a huge problem and been very popular. All these things could have been done if teh filibuster had been removed in January of 2010.
These things are about power. And being realistic is about maximizing your political power and using it to do things that will solve problems and make you popular. The Democrats didn’t do that. They’ve let the Republicans and the Blue Dogs push them around for the whole session. That wasn’t very realistic or practical. It’s why they’re in the box they’re in now. I predicted this wold happen many months ago.
What’s ‘realistic” now is for the Democrats to do what I outlined because that’s what’s needed to prevent a Republican sweep that will make this a lame duck Administration. Doing what Borosage suggests is a recipe for failure in the Fall. It’s a recipe for failure in the fight against deficit terrorism. Recipes for failure are not realistic. Sometimes you have to kick over the traces to be successful. The Democrats need to do that now or they’re goners. Messaging and promises won’t work. Anyone who listens to Dems’ promises given their recent history is a fool. They need their own “100 days.” They need to change their history. They need to get rid of the filibuster now and do what they should have done last year. That’s their only chance. That’s what’s realistic because it’s the only thing that can work for them in the election.
It’s amazing how reluctant how they are to speak truth to power. There should have been an immediate rely to Obama’s broadcast speech to them. The reply should have been a resolution condemning Obama for the record of his Administration and the Congress up to this point and calling om him to work with Congress to exercise the nuclear option and pass a list of needed reforms. It should have ended with an ultimatum to him to act or face a major defeat of the Democrats in November. These folks need to know in no uncertain terms that the base will leave them if they don’t use their majorities while they have them.
I agree single payer – with an annual national budget that sets an Oregon like list of what is and is not covered and at what co-pay or no co-pay – is where we will end up unless we choose bankruptcy as a nation.
As noted above, a surplus by Clinton added to savings – person felt this was bad but I do not see why – savings being a driver of growth.
The tariff wars of the 20′s did indeed screw up the economy – as did the higher tariff of the early 30′s – but gov savings is not a villain in the econ I learned – and indeed by having gov savings in 2000, room was opened in the publicly held national debt for conversion of the Trust fund bonds into publicly held bonds – the rich were not threaten with higher taxes that are now the excuse for their attempt to kill Social Security.
There really is an inflation risk – and Clinton killed that risk, and we do not need to jump start it again (the Fed money supply build up has been a nothing re inflation because the banks have refuse to make commercial loans or buy new corporate bonds in that type of quanity).
What does a government surplus do? It removes money from the economy.
Government debt is private savings. If you own a treasury bond then the government owes you a debt. From your perspective it’s savings, from the government’s persepctive it’s a debt.
Clinton’s surplus’s reduced savings in the private sector. It also contracted the money supply. If Bush had continued Clinton’s budget surplus’s then the economic disater of 2007-2008 would have happened back in 2001.
Who’s savings doing you consider to be the driver of growth? The government’s savings or the private sector’s savings?
Bruce, I think this is a very good analysis. But I don’t think I missed this point as much as I did not address it.
I didn’t address it because even if it is true, the public face of the deficit terrorists is about “shared pain,” cuts across the board, working towards balanced budgets, surpluses, establishing their version of fiscal responsibility and fiscal sustainability. We must not reinforce this frame as the so-called progressives are doing with their strategy of “Yes, there is a deficit problem, but . . .”
There is no deficit problem, and people believing that there is one confront us every time we want to do something. Deficit hawkism in the President, his Administration and his Congress is the reason why the stimulus bill was limited to $800 Billion. It’s why there has been no further stimulus since. It’s part of the reason why even silly little extensions of unemployment payments are so hard to get through the Congress. It’s behind the Administration’s decision to limit the projected cost of the hcr bill to roughly $775 B over the course of a decade. It’s part of the reason why our infrastructure is falling apart and why we don’t spend very much to fix a school system that is doing the same.
People generally blame Reagan, his tax cuts, and the rise of neo-liberalism for the growth of inequality here in America. I do too, of course, but I also think that Democrats who bought into the desirability of seeking balanced budgets and surpluses and campaigning in favor of these things are also to blame. The concern for balanced budgets goes back to Carter. It crippled his Administration, influenced his failure to pursue Medicare for All, which in turn precipitated the fight with Teddy Kennedy and opened the way for Reagan in 1980. After 1980 the new Democrats entering Congress failed to pursue “progressive” economic policies because many of their so-called “progressive” members supported the idea of balanced budgets.
This tendency became stronger through the 1980s as the Democrats decided to present themselves as the “fiscally responsible” Party and then grew even stronger with Clinton when he ran surpluses, that Democrats celebrated, while the recession of 2000 was building and the crisis of public needs was getting worse. Even now the Democrats reinforce the deficit hawkism by trying to claim credit for being the fiscally responsible party.
One of the most potent frames blocking the success of progressives is the deficit hawkist frame they reinforce every day simply by agreeing that we have a long-term deficit problem. What they need to do is to deny that there is a problem, and instead focus on our real long-terms problems.
The very idea that we should manage Government spending by looking at deficits, debts, and public debt-to-GDP ratios is an idea we have to dispel. The standard needs to be the real consequences of our Government programs. Government programs with negative consequences, like tax cuts for the rich, and those that encourage outsourcing need to be ended. And ones that will enhance public purposes like a Federal Jobs Guarantee and Medicare for All need to be pursued.
The progressive interest groups in Washington never work against the deficit hawkism ideology idea. They never directly attack neo-liberalism. Instead they’re always in a defensive posture defending this or that from a conservative attack and content to avoid losses or work out compromises that turn out to be corporate bailouts. Their short-run pragmatism and failure to talk about social and economic justice, and to educate people about the flaws in neo-liberalism and deficit hawkism just hasn’t worked as a political strategy.
Now, they’re using the same strategy in opposing the Peterson forces. The mantra is, “let’s attack them where they’re weak, in the area of cuts for SS. There we have all the facts on our side, but let’s agree with them that there is a long-term deficit problem so we can seem reasonable to the public and share their view that deficits and Government spending are problems.” I think this strategy may win the SS battle, it may even get the Petersons to back off for awhile. But it’s a recipe for losing the war about whether we can use an activist Government to help us solve the full range of national problems.
In addition, there’s no guarantee it will even win the battle over SS. If the Commission’s recommendations get to the lame duck Congress and there’s a vote, then the resulting compromise can be quite bad for us. For example, we may get an end to the Bush tax cuts, a rise in the wage cap for FICA, and the SS age rising to 68, with a couple of hundred Billion in cuts for Medicare over the next 10 years, and maybe a 5% cut in 2020 non-defense expenditures. From my point of view any cut in entitlements represents a big defeat for us since there is absolutely no deficit crisis and no rational reason why any benefits should be taken away from needy people.
Compromise makes no sense here. But once the Catfood Commssion’s recommendations get to the floor of the House, I think the most likely outcome is a compromise where we will lose something. That is the result of giving the “deficit problem” idea any legitimacy at all. And that is the point that Borosage, Hickey, and their 50 organization strong coalition miss.
Papau, assuming the balance of trade is negative as is always the case for us, a surplus in the Government sector equals a deficit in the private sector, and a deficit in the public sector is a surplus in the private sector. This is an accounting identity. It is a matter of logic not a matter of fact.
Another way of putting it is that Government deficits add to private savings, dollar for dollar. Please read Scott Fullwiler and Warren Mosler on this point.
Joe, I know that; was just trying to get others into investigating. Which they did *G*
Understood but the Texan doesn’t seem to get it.
http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/one_item_and_teasers/2010_schedule.htm
I see the Senate probably will not be in session from Mon Aug 9 until Fri Sept 10. I think that means only 5 or 6 legislating weeks between now and the election.
What exactly is the threat if the Senate does not change the filibuster rules immediately?
What’s the alternative to changing the filibuster rules? Adding more Dems? There never were 60 nominal Senate Dems seated and voting at any time in the 111th Congress. There weren’t enough Dems to overcome unified, determined Repub obstruction.
The country is gung-ho for progressive change, but didn’t elect enough Dems in 2008, and now is going to backslide. That makes no sense.
If there’s a long run inflation risk, it’s related to the banks and thier insane leveraging.
But our government has an aweful lot of room to move on taxation if you compare todays taxation with 1950′s taxation.
The biggest danger is in letting this economic collapse cause long term damage to the productive capacity of our physical economy. Firing teachers, gutting local and state governments, letting our young men and women end up crippled from tours in Afghanistan, shuting down and/or outsourcing our manufacturing etc…
Reducing our productive capacity while at the same time allowing the banks to use extreme leverage for wild speculation… that’s what’ll cause serious inflation.
Bush pushed thru a ton of his agenda with fewer R’s than we currently have D’s…. that’s what doesn’t make sense.
The Democrats are currently “working as intended”. Is there a specific head count where the D’s will start passing progressive legislation? 60? 61? 65? 75? How many Dems will become born again Blue Dogs as the Dem headcount rises?
Sorry Bruce, I replied without reading all the responses first.
Right. He doesn’t.
The Dems had enough to legislate if the had eliminated the filibuster and gone back to the Constitution which provides for majority rule in the Senate.
An interesting question. The Dems can get rid of the filibuster tomorrow. Then they can pass whatever legislation they really favor with 50 + 1 votes in the Senate. There are more than enough Dems for that.
In the days when 2/3 (64 of 96) were necessary to overcome a filibuster, FDR had 69, 76, 69, and 66 (Dems) from Jan of 35 until Jan of 43.
I don’t know how many are needed. I do know that 59 is not 60% of 100 (or 99) and never has been.
True. But they can use “the nuclear option” to get back to needing only 50+1 and they can do that tomorrow. The filibuster is no excuse for not acting, since it is possible for them to eliminate it at any time.
Any bill which reaches the floor of the Senate can pass with a majority, except for some unusual exceptions like constitutional amendments, treaties, convictions on impeachment, overriding vetoes, etc.
“Each house may determine the rules of its proceedings, …”
Yes, after FDR’s first 2 years the people started to support his New Deal coalition wholeheartedly.
But FDR came into office in 1933, not 1935. He got a lot of great stuff done in those first 2 years when there were 59 Democrats in the Senate. And that 59 included conservative Democrats.
Do you think that FDR would have received those big majorities from 1935 onward if he didn’t do a good job of serving the public interest in his first 2 years?
Our current batch of Democrats are not lacking in numbers, they are lacking in quality. If the quality of the Democrats does not improve then no majority of any size will produce progressive legislation.
Obama has a bigger majority than Bush ever had yet Bush pushed thru a lot of his agenda. And honestly, I think Obama is pushing thru his agenda just fine…. it’s just that his agenda is not in our best interests.
Dems gained 150 House seats 313/163, 20 Senate seats 59/39, and the Presidency in the 2 elections of 30 and 32. It was unequivocal which party took the country into Depression. By 1930, there had been 10 consecutive years of complete Republican control of the Presidency and 2 chambers of Congress.
By contrast, Dems gained 54 House seats 256/202, 13 Senate seats 57/44, and the Presidency in the 2 elections of 06 and 08. By 2006, there had been 4 consecutive years of complete Republican control of the Presidency and 2 chambers of Congress.
Republicans were also different in 1933 from what they are today.
Perhaps it is not only the absolute numbers, but also the rate of change which has an effect.
Obama is not progressive and doesn’t stand for much of anything.
Progressives should start today and find candidates to oppose Lieberman, Scott Brown, Ben Nelson, and Bill Nelson, all of whom are up for reelection in 2012. Alan Grayson is probably available.
So? If it can’t reach the floor that doesn’t do much good, does it?
As for,
“Each house may determine the rules of its proceedings, …” I have two things to say:
First, the rules cannot contravene the constitution which says roughly that the Senate shall make decisions by majority rule. I know that teh filibuster will never be reviewed by the Supreme Court because they won’t interfere with the internals of the legislative branch. But that doesn’t mean that the filibuster is constitutional. Just that the Court won’t rule on the subject.
Second, even granting each House has no constitutional limitations on the rules of internal procedure it can adopt, then clearly each House can also change its rules at any time by majority vote. So, the nuclear option can be used immediately in the Senate to remove the rules and procedures that allow the filibuster.
This seems to assume that the rose-colored glasses are being worn for some reason other than deliberate choice. The veal pen progressives will stay in the veal pen, because evidence isn’t what put them there in the first place.
Getting the “liberal” 30%’ers to quit being 30%’ers isn’t going to happen. It won’t happen through evidence, it won’t happen through argumentation. About the only possible way to do it is to give them a new celebrity to fall in love with and fawn over, and even that’s a long-shot.
The best thing we can do is realize that we don’t have allies, we’re not going to get allies, and that means we’re going to have to go guerrilla.
Progressives should start today to do that. They also should work to form a new third Party or see if they can make a deal with the Greens and create an implicit threat of wholesale defections from the Democratic Party. Barring a complete and radical change in the Democratic Party in the next few years, I think it will have outlived its usefulness. Historically it was the Party of the People. It hasn’t been that since at least 1981, and maybe even since 1977. Time to say goodbye!
The Senate made a decision, by majority rule, to require a supermajority for cloture.
Whether or not they can change the rules tomorrow by majority vote, they aren’t going to, even if you threaten to hold your breath until you turn blue. If you agitate long enough, and gain enough allies, particularly Senate allies, you will get your way.
Well, of course, I know that. It has nothing to do with my holding my breath or turning blue. In fact, it is the Dems suffocating from their own timidity and stupidity. I’ve told them what they need to do to win the Fall. If they try to do what Borosage suggests, I think the probability is that they will lose.
My track record of prediction has been pretty good since Obama came into office. You can see all my blogs here. I predicted that they would find themselves in the situation they do now any number of times, if they failed to get rid of the filibuster and insisted on giving in to the Republicans and Blue Dogs. Now, they’ve done that, and they’re close to being up the proverbial creek without a paddle. If they keep it up for a few more months, then the Republicans will either be in control of the House or be in a position to block most Democratic initiatives there, As for the Senate, even if the Democrats retain control, which is still likely, they will have to get rid of the filibuster in January anyway if they want to get anything at all through.
So, they may as well ditch the filibuster now and at least try to get some legislation through about which working people will say “that’s good for us.”