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(Author’s Note; Many thanks to lambert strether, beowulf, and Yves Smith for their reviews of this post)
Well, the debt limit crisis is upon us. Treasury Secretary Geithner says the US Government will not be able to meet all its obligations on August 3, unless the debt ceiling is increased by Congress. The Secretary says he is out of moves to extend this date. I don’t think that’s true. I think he can use proof platinum coin seigniorage to supply all the money needed to spend Congressional Appropriations. I do not know if the Administration knows about this idea yet. It may, and it may simply have been unwilling to mention it for its own reasons. But just in case it doesn’t know, and also for the sake of the rest of us, I’m making another attempt to state the case for using coin seigniorage, so that as many people as possible know that the President has an alternative to the “shock doctrine,” make a deal approach to cutting essential spending and services including the social safety net, in return for getting $2.6 Trillion more in debt issuance authority.
The idea of using coin seigniorage to remove the need for issuing debt, and so to always stay under the debt ceiling is due to a commenter (and occasional blogger) on economics and politics blogs whose screen name is beowulf. He first presented the idea in comments and then posted the seminal blog on coin seigniorage.
Throughout the next six months, a number of other posts appeared at various sites (See here for links) with increasing frequency as the debt limit problem received more attention.
In the last few days, as coin seigniorage itself climbed up the hierarchy of public awareness, Felix Salmon and Matt Yglesias, both well-respected, mainstream, and professional bloggers, have mentioned the proposal while taking issue with it for reasons I’ll analyze below. Before, I do that however, here’s what’s involved in proof platinum coin seigniorage:
Congress provided the authority, in legislation passed in 1996, for the US Mint to create platinum bullion or proof platinum coins with arbitrary fiat face value having no relationship to the value of the platinum used in these coins. These coins are legal tender. So, when the Mint deposits them in its Public Enterprise Fund account at the Fed, the Fed must credit that account with the face value of these coins. This difference between the Mint’s costs in producing the coins and the credit provided by the Fed is the US Mint’s profit. The US code also provides for the Treasury to periodically “sweep” the Mint’s account at the Federal Reserve Bank for profits earned from these coins. Coin seigniorage is just the profits from these coins, which are then booked as miscellaneous receipts (revenue) to the Treasury and go into the Treasury General Account (TGA), narrowing the revenue gap between spending and tax revenues. Platinum coins with huge face values e.g. $2 Trillion, could close the revenue gap entirely, and technically end deficit spending, while still retaining the gap between tax revenues and spending.
Recent Comments from the Mainstream
Here’s Felix Salmon’s treatment at Reuter’s:
Even if Treasury can still sell bonds, however, that doesn’t mean for a minute that breaching the debt ceiling is something which should be considered possible for the purposes of the current negotiation. Tools like the 14th Amendment or even crazier loopholes like coin seignorage would be signs of the utter failure of the US political system and civil society. And that alone could mean the loss of America’s status as a safe haven and a reserve currency. The present value of such a loss? Much bigger than $2 trillion. (Coin seignorage, if you’re wondering, is the right that Treasury has to mint a couple of one-ounce, $1 trillion coins and deposit those coins in its account at the New York Fed. It could then withdraw cash from that Fed account to make all the payments it wanted.)
Felix Salmon does give an acceptable one sentence overview of the proposal, but doesn’t make clear that there could be even a single coin (not a “couple of coins”) of arbitrary value produced by the US Mint. More importantly, he doesn’t make clear why using coin seigniorage would be a sign “. . . of the utter failure of the US political system and civil society,” or why using it would be “. . . breaching the debt ceiling.” He also doesn’t say why he lumps in a 14th Amendment challenge to the debt ceiling with coin seigniorage as crazy ideas.
Addressing these points one by one, first, it’s true that the Congress hasn’t been able to come to agreement on the debt ceiling, but it’s hard to see why this is a sign of “the utter failure” . . . “of civil society.” Even more, the US political system has provided the tool of coin seigniorage as a legal, if not customary, way of generating revenue in addition to taxing and borrowing. Why does this count as “crazier” idea or a failure of the political system? From my point of view the only failure here is the President’s in not using coin seigniorage, or perhaps not yet even knowing about it. But if this is a failure, I don’t see that it’s a systemic one as much as it is a failure of this Administration to look for alternative views that go beyond its own knowledge and imagination.
Second, it’s hard to see why using coin seigniorage would be “breaching the debt ceiling.” Certainly, challenging the Constitutionality of the debt ceiling and overturning the legislation mandating it might be described as “breaching” it. Also, just ignoring it on grounds that it is unconstitutional might be described in the same way. However, using proof platinum coin seigniorage with very high face value coins just spends Congressional appropriations, including paying down debt so that it’s way below the debt ceiling, or even completely eliminated, using perfectly legal means. It’s hard to see how this can be legitimately described as “breaching the debt ceiling.”
And, third, why does Felix Salmon think that using coin seigniorage “. . . could mean the loss of America’s status as a safe haven and a reserve currency. ” Why should a demonstration, using coin seigniorage, of the Treasury’s power to meet US obligations even when Congress is in deadlock, lead to a loss of confidence, making investment in the US look any more dangerous than it is at present, or disturbing the status of the US dollar as the reserve currency? Surely if Felix Salmon wants to make such a serious charge he should at least give readers his reasoning.
It is possible that if coin seigniorage were used on a continuing basis to close the gap between taxes and spending, then US Treasuries would no longer be a safe haven for investing USD reserves, simply because, if no more debt is issued, then no investment in Treasuries is possible. But even if that happened, a low level of interest paid by the Fed on USD reserves would still leave US dollar reserves as safe a haven for holding “risk-free” US financial assets as short-term Treasuries are right now.
It is also hard to see why coin seigniorage, if used, would interfere with the status of USD as the reserve currency. Why should it, since continuous use of seigniorage would result in gradually eliminating the national debt? And what other reserve currency would the world use? The UK pound? The Euro, with its great potential instability? The Yuan, which if it became the reserve currency would force China to give up its peg to the Dollar and to even acquire a bit of a disadvantage in trading with us? What about the Yen? Sounds OK to me, but the world seems convinced that Japan, with its 200% debt-to-GDP ratio might have runaway inflation anytime now. So, will the world take the Yen? Probably not.
What about a market basket of freely floating currencies? Well, that would be fine, but it’s hard to see how that would disadvantage us or cost us $2 Trillion. I also wonder where Felix Salmon got that estimate from. Also, is the $2Trillion an interest cost, a reduction in GDP? Is it over one year, or a decade? Isn’t it a fact, that being the reserve currency costs us exports and jobs? How does that get factored into Salmon’s $2 Trillion cost of not being the reserve currency?
Matt Yglesias is the second popular blogger mentioning coin seigniorage last week. Matt says:
This is an idea that’s circulating in Modern Monetary Theory circles, and I believe that it’s legally mistaken.
Perhaps it is. But don’t you owe it to readers to tell them why?
That said, conceptually it highlights a very accurate point. If you think of the United States government as a consolidated entity, it’s not possible for us to “run out of money” or “go bankrupt.” The government of Ireland owes euros, but it lacks the legal authority to create Euros. Governments of small developing countries often owe dollars, but lack the legal authority to create dollars. Under a gold standard, a government might owe gold and lack the physical capacity to create it. But the United States is owed dollars, and can create dollars, so it’s absurd to think that we might not be able to pay our bills.
Matt understands this very basic point of MMT, and that puts him miles ahead of most who pronounce on solvency. But it’s also important to emphasize that Governments like our own can become insolvent voluntarily. That is, if Congress fails to raise the debt ceiling, or if, in the event they fail, the President fails to use coin seigniorage or another Treasury tool to create a positive balance in the Treasury General Account (TGA) at the Fed, then we can become voluntarily insolvent – a self-inflicted wound caused by a collective failure to understand our fiat currency and monetary system.
Now what might happen is that people lose willingness to lend us dollars in the future. We also might have inflation. Money was lent in the past on the assumption that dollars would be able to purchase real goods and services. Monetization of debt would reduce the real purchasing power of dollars, and might call into question the wisdom of agreeing to lend dollars in the future. But these are different issues.
First, if, as Matt recognizes, we can’t “run out of money” then why do we need people to lend us our own currency in the future? Why can’t we use coin seigniorage indefinitely for “deficit spending?” (From a technical point of view continuous use of proof platinum coin seigniorage would end deficit spending because it would close the gap between spending and taxes with miscellaneous receipts, a class of revenue. However, the gap between taxes and spending would remain and that “deficit” represents a surplus for the non-Government sector.) If we did that we’d avoid, as time went on, most spending on interest costs projected by CBO over the next 10 years. Indeed, if we project out to 15 years based on CBO 10-year numbers, we’d avoid nearly $12 Trillion in projected interest costs. Why borrow our own money back at all? The answer is we don’t need to. So, we don’t really have to care whether people want to lend us back our own money, or not.
Second, why would coin seigniorage in itself cause inflation? Coin seigniorage creates money to spend Congressional appropriations. As long as those appropriations are not so great that they exceed the potential productive capacity of our economy — and right now our output gap is around 30%, and there is no sign of Congress deciding to spend enough to close that gap — there will be no demand-pull inflation.
Would there be cost-push inflation? Not from coin seigniorage. The coins would just go into a Fed vault forever, and again the spending will be only what Congress appropriates. Coin seignorage will add to aggregate demand whenever spending exceeds taxes; but it will not cause cost-push inflation. That is caused by suppliers or speculators who are distorting markets. And the remedy for that is criminal investigations, price controls, rationing, and a thoroughgoing belief that markets must be very closely regulated by independent adversarial enforcers if they are to remain free.
Third, “money was lent in the past on the assumption that dollars would be able to purchase goods and services in the future.” But, again, why should the simple fact of using coin seigniorage debase the currency? Matt needs to explain the transmission mechanism from using seigniorage to spend Congressional appropriations and pay down debt, to currency debasement. Saying that “we also might have inflation” is easy. But one really has to show that the likelihood of inflation is greater if we use coin seigniorage than it is if we issue more debt instead. My view is good luck with that, because there are very good reasons for thinking that coin seigniorage would actually be less inflationary than issuing debt to close the gap between taxes and spending would be.
Fourth, “monetization” is a term that is frequently thrown around whenever the Government wants to use its Constitutional power to deficit spend and create money in the process. But “monetization of debt” has a strict meaning in modern economies. It refers to the purchase of debt instruments by the Central Bank from the Treasury. That wouldn’t be happening here.
Here’s how coin seignorage works: Legal tender, money, in the form of proof platinum coins, not legally viewed as debt, is being exchanged for USD credits in the US Mint’s Public Enterprise Fund account. The money goes into the Fed vaults, the USD credits go into the Mint’s account. The profits from seigniorage go into the TGA. This is an asset swap, between the Fed and the US Mint, of money in the form of a coin, for money in the form of bank reserves. Both sides of the swap are money; so there is no “monetization of debt” involved.
[UPDATE] I now think this might be legal after all, provided the coin is made of palladium.
Palladium coins won’t do; we need coins that can be legally given an arbitrarily high face value. The palladium coins are specified by Congress at $25 in face value. The platinum coins being discussed in the coin seigniorage proposal are proof platinum coins. The face value of these coins is arbitrary and has nothing to with the value of the metal. Platinum proof coins are strictly fiat money, and they can have as a large a face value as the Mint likes. Just like the USD reserves the Fed creates for quantitative easing, or to increase the money supply.
So, after months of blogging, commenting, and tweeting about the coin seigniorage option, it seems that enough activity has been generated in the blogo- and twitter-spheres to have attracted at least the passing attention of well-respected bloggers such as Felix Salmon and Matt Yglesias. It’s pretty clear from my analysis, however, that both of them are offering conclusions about coin seigniorage that aren’t based on careful analysis of the literature that’s developed on the subject.
Put simply, they don’t seem to have thought things through, and they don’t seem to be in a position to guide their readers in learning about the coin seigniorage option. It’s good that they’ve recognized that coin seignorage is, at least, analytically sound enough to merit attempted refutation, and have opened the door to discussion of it in the wider discourse. Thanks to both of them for that, and especially to Matt for pointing out that involuntary solvency isn’t a problem for the US. Exposure for a policy proposal is always better than just continued burial in the non-visible portion of the blogosphere. Nevertheless, it would be so much better for all of us if well-known bloggers who take up a new proposal would investigate it with care before they pronounce a verdict on it.
What harm would have been done if Felix Salmon and Matt Yglesias had just mentioned coin seigniorage and admitted that they still had to research it before deciding on whether it would work, and that they were keeping an open mind pending that research? Certainly, the potential of coin seigniorage as a solution to our revenue problem merits that kind of consideration. How important is it?
The Importance of Coin Seigniorage to the President
I’ll end this post by showing how important it is through an examination of our present situation with respect to the debt ceiling and the potential obligation of the President to use coin seigniorage to cope with it.
1. Congress has appropriated Federal spending for FY 2011 which the Executive is mandated to spend.
2. These appropriations exceed the tax revenue the Government is collecting. This was expected at the time the appropriations were passed. So Congress appropriated deficit spending.
3. Congress has mandated that whenever the Government plans to deficit spend, it must first issue and sell debt instruments in an amount a least equal to the planned deficit spending. In this connection, the Treasury is prohibited from having an overdraft in its TGA at the Federal Reserve Bank.
4. Congress has mandated a debt limit such that the Administration must stop issuing debt when that limit is reached. (The limit was reached in early May). Given the Congressional requirement that deficit spending must be accompanied by debt issuance, the debt limit, in the absence of other countervailing factors puts a stop to deficit spending, until the limit is increased. There is a very important countervailing factor. But it is not recognized or used. So, for the moment, at least, the debt limit has stopped any further deficit spending
5. The 14th Amendment, section 4, requires that the validity of the “debts” (broadly construed) of the United States never be questioned, and since the President has sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution, he is obligated to do all he can to see to it that these “debts” are paid. In fact, he’s obligated to see to it that these debts aren’t even “questioned.” His suggestion that Social Security and other key payments won’t be made on August 3, isn’t living up to his obligations. Of course, he’s not alone in this, since many law makers have been warning about the likelihood of a default for many months now.
6. Congress has provided the authority, in legislation passed in 1996, for the US Mint to create platinum bullion or proof platinum coins with arbitrary fiat face value having no relationship to the value of the platinum used in these coins. The US code also provides for the Treasury periodically sweeping the Mint’s account at the Federal Reserve Bank for profits earned from coin seigniorage. These profits are then booked as miscellaneous receipts (revenue) to the Treasury and go into the TGA, narrowing the revenue gap between spending and tax revenues. Platinum coins with huge face values e.g. $2 Trillion, would close the revenue gap entirely, and technically end deficit spending, while still retaining the gap between tax revenues and spending.
7. If used routinely to close the revenue gap, such coin seigniorage would eventually reduce the national debt to zero, and remove it as an issue in US politics. In addition, the existence of platinum coin seigniorage as an option, removes the tension between the mandated debt ceiling and the 14th Amendment. It is the countervailing factor I mentioned earlier, because it provides a way to spend Congressional appropriations without issuing further debt.
8. The President has sworn to uphold both the Constitution, which prohibits a default, and also the laws of the United States including the mandates just mentioned.
9. These mandates, along with the platinum proof coin seigniorage authority, make using seigniorage, or another option like it that allows the Treasury to create revenue without either taxing or borrowing, the only viable options to: continue spending appropriations without violating the debt limit; fulfill all the other mandates, both legal and constitutional; and still be able to spend the money Congress has appropriated.
10. So, if no action by Congress raising the debt limit is forthcoming, it will be the President’s sworn DUTY AND OBLIGATION to either use platinum coin seigniorage, or some other revenue creating tool legislated by Congress in past years, to make the money necessary to avoid default, since his failure to use an available way of creating revenue for continuing to spend appropriations, which he is mandated to do, would be a violation of his oath of office.
So, coin seigniorage isn’t some crazy idea. Instead, it is a legal instrument that the President may, depending on how things work out, have to use in a bit more than two weeks to comply with his oath of office. It may be the only way for him to avoid breaching one of the laws which he is supposed to enforce. As such, it has to be taken seriously, and treated with more than just a few dismissive conclusions, accompanied by a lack of explanation.
Many writers on the current debt ceiling crisis have been taking the view that the 14th Amendment constitutional challenge route is the best thing for the President to do if there is no agreement on the debt ceiling. In e-mail communication yesterday, beowulf offered the following opinion on why this will not work, given the existence of coin seigniorage.
. . . No federal judge — Supreme Court justices included — will take the extraordinary step of enjoining an Act of Congress if the President who asks them to had an opportunity to sidestep the constitutional issue lawfully but neglected to do so. . . . .
. . . The moral of the story is if the Court thinks there is no alternative to breaching the debt ceiling, it probably would find it unconstitutional (or rather, it would decline to hear the case on Standing grounds, leaving the President’s decision to ignore the debt ceiling in place). On the other hand, if the Court thinks the President had a lawful alternative– like coin seigniorage– but neglected to use it, they’re not going to bail him out.
This argument is compelling to me given the history of the Court. The Court defers to the legislature if it possibly can, and prefers the President to avoid constitutional challenges if he has a means of doing so. In this case, he does, and the means is platinum coin seigniorage.
Appendix: The Coin Seigniorage Idea in the Blogosphere
The idea of using coin seigniorage, the profits made from minting proof platinum coins, depositing them at the Fed, and receiving electronic credits in return, to remove the need for issuing debt, and so to always stay under the debt ceiling is due to a commenter (and occasional blogger) on economics and politics blogs whose screen name is beowulf. The first comment of beowulf’s I noticed on coin seigniorage was at New Deal 2.0 http://www.newdeal20.org/2010/11/04/obama-faces-his-own-teachable-moment-25819/#comment-9831 and I mentioned his proposal in a post I did on a possible Government shutdown due to the debt ceiling a couple of weeks later. http://www.correntewire.com/constitutional_crisis_over_debt_ceiling_does_government_have_shut_down
Beowulf continued his work on the coin seigniorage proposal as the weeks went by in various comments made at blog sites such as this one at FDL. We also began to exchange messages on coin seigniorage. On January 3, 2011, he posted the seminal blog on coin seigniorage. I followed two days later, raising the question of whether President Obama would use it to forestall an attempt to use the debt ceiling to extract cuts in the social safety net or not.
These posts were noticed by Warren Mosler, one of the originators of the Modern Monetary Theory (MMT) approach to economics, who sponsored what turned out to be a wide-ranging and very high quality discussion of the coin seigniorage option at his site. Beowulf contributed extensively and very creatively to this discussion, which remains one of the most important resources on the coin seigniorage option.
Throughout the next six months, I pushed coin seigniorage in blog posts at Correntewire, FDL, and DailyKos from time-to-time and in comments at various sites. Then, in late June and July a spate of posts on seigniorage appeared beginning, I think, with wigwam’s at FDL and DailyKos. He’s followed up since with a number of other posts including this one with a variation on how coin seigniorage might be applied by buying $2 Trillion in debt from the Fed to create “head room” relative to the debt limit. Other important posts have appeared this month by Mahilena, DC Blogger, Cullen Roche, Scott Fullwiler, and Trader’s Crucible. Accompanying the last two are extensive discussions of coin seigniorage and constitutionality of the debt ceiling with contributions from beowulf. Scott’s post also received extensive discussion with beowulf contributing at Cullen’s site. In addition, I’ve added two of my own posts, one on constitutionality of the debt ceiling and coin seigniorage, and another on the President’s obligation, if no agreement on the debt ceiling is forthcoming.
So, the proposal to use coin seigniorage to both comply with the debt ceiling and still spend Congressional appropriations has by now enjoyed the support of a growing number of bloggers. It has also received a great deal of discussion; receiving 246 comments at Warren Mosler’s site; 206 comments spread over two post’s at Cullen Roche’s site, and 89 comments at Naked Capitalism. Readers checking out these discussions can see that the coin seignorage proposal has stood up very well to some very aggressive and forthright criticism.
UPDATE: Jack Balkin just blogged about coin seigniorage. It’s put in the form of a conversation. Very non-technical. His definition of seigniorage is a pretty good summary:
“Seigniorage. Sovereign governments like the United States can print their own money. We have a system of fiat currency and we’ve been off the gold standard for many years now. With fiat currency, you issue coins and simply assert that they have a certain value, which may have little to do with the value of the raw materials you use to make them. But as long as people believe that your money is worth something, the system works.
“The difference between the face value of the coin and the cost of the materials it takes to produce it is called seigniorage. So if you create a hundred dollar coin made mostly of copper and nickel, the seignorage is likely to be close to a hundred dollars. That’s new monetary value pumped into the system.”
(Cross-posted from Correntewire.com and NakedCapitalism.com.



34 Comments

Whew! That’s one meaty post. Too tired from reading to comment.
Thanks. I wondr if the “goldies” will show up here to enlighten us?
BRAVO Joe, a real ‘tour de force’ ! Yglesia’s inability to state his reasoning why it’s illegal,especially in view of number 6 above, completely undermines any real credibility on his part.
And I can’t figure out where Salmon is coming from when he wrote, “Tools like the 14th Amendment or even crazier loopholes like coin seignorage would be signs of the utter failure of the US political system and civil society.”.
How is it an utter failure of the political system when the law establishing such a mechanism is 15 years old? And ‘civil society’?
(besides the obvious retort of “what ‘civil’ society”?) How does getting the flow of commerce going relate to an utter failure of ‘civil society’?
What I DO WONDER about is that date -1996, same as the Telecom Act, which opened the doors to media consolidation- that brought about such legislation; what and who was/were the impetus and characters?
And I wonder about this: “I do not know if the Administration knows about this idea yet. It may, and it may simply have been unwilling to mention it for its own reasons.” ; it is beyond my comprehension that Geithner and Obama are not aware of and knowledgeable about coin seignorage. And the only rationale I can come up with for it not being mentioned are two scenarios. One where it somehow negatively affects the ‘markets’ and the way the game is played and the other scenario is where it gets to be August 1st w/o any legislation and they ‘pull the rabbit out of the hat’ and act as ‘heroes’.
Your considered conjecture?
Hi Bruce, I’m sure they know about seigniorage, but whether they know about the very special authority legislated in relation to proof platinum coins is another question. the do a lot of la-la-la, I’m not listening when it comes to other people’s views. So, it wouldn’t surprise they haven’t been watching tow obscure commenters and bloggers over the past 6 months.
On the “secret plan” aspect of this see this one by Jack Balkin: http://balkin.blogspot.com/2011/07/obamas-top-secret-plan-to-solve-debt.html
In fact that reminds me. I need to update this.
“they do a lot of la-la-la, I’m not listening when it comes to other people’s views.”; yeah, don’t they know they’re acting like a cheez-it commercial? *G*
And I didn’t even read Balkin *G* So scenario one seems more likely and all that says is supporting the existing financial system(s) is more important than anything to this Admin. And that SHOULD be the achilles heel for anyone to go after. Wonder who will take aim at that heel.
It seems all the work you’ve done on this is stating to show some interesting returns. Mr. Yglesias should be able to figure it out without getting confused about borrowing. I’m wondering how long it’ll take for people to figure out just how inflationary T-bills are. I see this whole debt limit crusade as psych-ops and its been going on for a long time. Its time to end the charade. I really appreciate your efforts and Salise too. Thanks
Great meaty post.
However if Obama listened the dance he is putting on to force cuts in Social Security would end, so he will not admit this route exists,
As to the details in your post, the only nitpicking – and it is really minor – is the assertion that the productive capacity not being used is 30%. I think you are referring to the Fed’s monthly report on “The capacity utilization rate for total industry” (what current infrastructure could produce per the Fed) which remained unchanged at 76.7 percent in June, a rate 2.2 percentage points above the rate from a year earlier but 3.7 percentage points below its average from 1972 to 2010. The key here is the fact the calculation includes lousy infrastructure that can never be used again, resulting in the index never in my memory getting much above 82%. Offsetting of course are the plants we shipped to China – one in Indiana actually had each physical piece numbered and shipped! Those plants could come back with better tax law and even just with enforcement of IRS Code Section 482 on deferred tax for value added outside the US.
Great post. Listening to MY or Salmon about anything is risky, no?
Fantastic post. I am going to need more time to study it, but it is was well written and very informative.
I disagree. I believe that we should do away with all coinage and currency and here is why.
Now as in the past currency and coinage served only as a way for those in power to use, abuse and steal from the citizens and remain in power. be they Kings, Queens, Dictators or Bankers.
A great article which I read when it appeared at Naked Capitalism! You’ve identified another instance in which the way out of the impasse is through the wide open door!
The post-revolutionary governments in the USSR tried to do away with money but failed to accomplish their goal.
Matt Y gives in. It’s Felix Salmon’s turn next.
Quote:
— It sounds insane, but I’ve come to believe that Section 31 § 5112 clause (k) of the US Code authorizes Tim Geithner to mint platinum coins in any quantity and denomination he wants and get around the debt ceiling.
Per Felix Salmon:
Suppose for the sake of argument that this $2 trillion were simply used to buy up the $2 trillion of Treasury bond that the Fed is sitting on, i.e., to transfer ownership of those to the Treasury, where they’d no longer count as debt. Then our national debt would shrink by $2 trillion and the debt limit could stay where it is for another couple of years.
Why is that transfer of ownership “crazy,” and how could it possibly “mean the loss of America’s status as a safe haven and a reserve currency.” All we’re doing is shifting ownership of those bonds from one branch of the government to another in a way that the books balance, i.e., the Fed gets an asset of equal value, $2 trillion of vault case, in exchange for an bonds that it is simply sitting on and has no real use for.
Note that in this hypothetical transaction, no debt gets repudiated, and no new money gets put into circulation!
Per Matt Yglesias:
Show us where, Matt.
Title 31 Section 5112 Items (h) and (k) provide the relevant authorization:
A natural question is “Why coins instead of paper currency?”
This from the New York Fed says it all:
Let’s Get It Done!!!
OK gang. If this is a viable option, why don’t we just mint these coins for all expenses and do away with taxes in their entirety? No one pays. In fact we can double or triple social security payments and give everyone free health care and mint more coins. We can give everyone in the nation $10 million each and mint more coins.
I smell a rat.
Thanks for asking.
Since we are no longer on the gold standard, the value of the dollar is a simple matter of supply and demand. And, the only intrinsic demand for dollars is due to the fact that American taxes have to be paid in dollars. No taxes, no intrinsic demand, and no intrinsic value to the dollar.
Maintaining the value of the dollar is also called “fighting inflation.”
Right now, there is very little danger of inflation because there is so much slack in the economy. But when the economy has recovered, it might take some rather stiff taxes to keep inflation in check.
Greybeard,
Government spending serves a purpose, and so does taxation. Only the two purposes are not what they are commonly thought to be.
Please see following articles
The Federal Budget is Not Like Your Budget
Read also
The Purpose of Taxes
Also
The Debt Limit is Obsolete
Exactly. And the Fed controls the money supply through the Open Market Committee. They buy bonds and the payment goes into the banking system, increasing the fed deposits and the amount that the banks can lend. This whole process is based on the Fed getting extra liquidity from the coins, and buying bonds in the open market. That will increase the money supply with no comparable increase in the assets or consumables that people buy. That means inflation. This entire idea is foolhardy.
This just increases the reserves at the FED.
Banks are never reserve constrained for their lending.They haven’t been for quite a few years. They are capital constrained. So excess reserves does absolutely nothing.
See Bill Mitchell’s -Lending is capital- not reserve-constrained
One of the reason’s we are in the mess we are in is because when the US and the world got off the gold standard, the old laws that were useful never got rewritten to reflect the new reality.
Most people still continued as if the world was on a “gold standard” The people who understood the change, used it for their own personal benefit, and rarely for the public benefit. Thus the famous Cheney quote “Deficits do not matter”
It is also fairly clear, as recounted by Warren Mosler,(p98) that Art Laffer and Don Rumsfeld knew of the MMT concepts
/were that true the fed would not control the money supply through their open market activities, as they do now.
Not quite. Credit in an account at the Fed is in some sense the ultimate liquid asset. “Quantitative easing” is the business of exchanging credit in accounts at the Fed for Treasury bonds. And they’ve done over a trillion dollars of that (QE1 and QE2) without such coins sitting in their vault. The Fed already has an infinite supply of liquidity. They call it “Ben Bernanke’s printing press.”
This allows the foolhardy to do foolhardy things, but we’ve seen plenty of that in the recent past in any case.
This seigniorage trick puts Ben Bernanke’s printing press into the hands of the Treasury, but untimately the Fed is already an arm of the Treasury, in the sense that all Fed profits accrue to the Treasury as “revenue,” just like taxes.
The key to avoiding inflation is the balance between supply and demand for dollars. When there is slack in the economy (like now) increased government spending means decreased unemployment and increased productivity. And no inflation. But once that slack is gone, restraint and/or higher taxes must occur.
Wow. Thanks for those great links. That was what I was trying to say in my reply below.
I think you misunderstand. If there are loans to be made – in other words, people are asking to borrow money, and the bank thinks that they are good risks, the banks will make the loans. They are not reserve constrained. The banks will go to the FED and get the necessary reserves at the FED’s announced interest rate, and the FED will always oblige. The FED interest rate partially determines the interest rate that the bank will charge for its loans. A high interest rate on loans may well curb the appetite for taking out a loan. So yes the FOMC can and does control the interest rates.
But in this case, that is not what we are talking about. The private banks are nowhere in this asset swap. This is a asset swap between the US Treasury and the US FED. The FED is legally bound to accept the coin at face value, and to credit the Treasury’s account. Thus the $1T coin sits in the vaults of the fed as an asset, just as the social security trust bonds sit in a vault as an asset, and the government gets its spending money.
The real control on the government spending is not the debt ceiling, or the requirement to borrow to deficit finance, but rather the congressional budgeting process. This, the taxation policy and the state of the economy will determine whether the Government runs a deficit or a surplus.
In reply to Clonal antibody July 19th, 2011 at 7:00 pm PDT, which has no reply button:
Exactly so. It turns out that vault cash, e.g. such coins, counts toward M0, but not toward M1, M2, M3, etc. That is to say, it is money but not “money in circulation,” which is what counts toward inflation.
There’s no alternative to tax-driven money in modern states. Please show how the paper you point to contradicts that. Also note these other pieces on Money at the same blog:
http://www.epicoalition.org/docs/Pavlina_2007.pdf
http://www.moslereconomics.com/2009/10/07/tax-driven-money/
and:
http://www.moslereconomics.com/mandatory-readings/soft-currency-economics/
In addition, the problem you’e referring to is not with currency or coinage, it’s with plutocracy. Our problem is to re-create an open society and make it more democratic (small “d”). It’s not to get rid of currency, which is the ultimate of all distractions.
Nice addition, and completely right. Where’s the link to your post proposing this? Here’s the KOS link (easier for me to find quickly) http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/27/989304/-How-to-Knock-Two-Trillion-Dollars-Off-the-National-Debt,-Ending-the-Debt-Limit-Crisis?via=history but it’s at FDL too.
Thanks we are making progress. This post got lots of discussion at Naked Capitalism, Pragmatic Capitalism, and New Economic Perspectives, and Randy posted on seigniorage for the first time here: http://www.economonitor.com/lrwray/2011/07/20/raise-the-debt-limit-or-abolish-the-debt/
Don’t forget the third purpose of taxation. It is to alleviate social and economic inequality sufficiently to safeguard democracy. Obviously our own democracy is threatened today by the vast wealth of Peter Peterson, the Koch Brothers and others who buy the Congress and the President for their own purposes. Personally, I think we need to tax a lot of their money away, so that they no longer will spend vast sums corrupting our democracy.
Very, very nice reply, Clonal
Also, “Right on the Money!”