Mine is a simple, and very serious, if, perhaps, modest, proposition. But let me stipulate, first, that even though this post is about the Republican Party, it in no way indicates support for, or a positive evaluation of the Democratic Party over the past 35 years. I’ve recorded my opinion of the Democratic Party’s behavior and of the present Administration’s reprehensible performance for years now, and feel no need to repeat my frequent and very angry evaluations in this post.
Having said that, I believe that unlike the often merely perfidious, and feckless, Democrats, the Republicans have crossed a line in politics which places them beyond the pale of legitimacy in any liberal democracy. What they have done is to systematically attack and attempt to destroy the very foundation of liberal democracy, namely the right and capability of the majority of people to replace the leaders of their government when they become dissatisfied with the performance of those leaders. They are attacking the basic right of the people to “kick the ins, out,” when they, individually and collectively, decide that ought to be done.
We are witnessing systematic efforts by the Republican Party across the nation in State legislatures to deny some citizens their civil right to vote because those citizens are perceived as likely to vote for a party other than the Republicans themselves. This is not just a question of playing a hard or unfair game of politics, filled with dishonesty. We’ve come to expect that from both major parties, and sooner or later democracy can cope with that.
But what we do not expect and what no American of whatever party ought to tolerate, is an attempt by any political party to strike at the very foundational principle of liberal democracy by disenfranchising large numbers of citizens who might vote against them. When a political party does that, it prevents democracy from performing its central function which is to replace leaders who will not and have not learned from experience, with other leaders who may do better if they are given a chance. In short, it creates tyranny!
The Republican attempt at restricting the right to vote is disloyal to democracy! It is dictatorship stuff! It is the stuff our founding fathers fought against! It is not American stuff!
It is unacceptable enough that it merits a merciful end for the organization called The Republican Party: for its betrayal of the principle of popular sovereignty; and for its denial of the idea that eventually, at the end of all peaceful disagreements, and civil debates, lengthy considerations, and exercises of minority rights, there must and will be acceptance of majority rule as the final principle sustaining a political system that expects to successfully avoid the extremes of brutal dictatorship and bloody revolution.
The wisdom that real democracy protects us from such extremes has been hard won over many years, and Americans cannot allow it to be betrayed by a political party that, for the sake of short-term political advantage, will undermine the principle on which the whole edifice of democracy is based. So what is to be done to deliver this much-deserved merciful death to a political organization that systematically attempts to overthrow American Democracy?
I think what has to be done is simple. The rank-and-file members of that political party should show that their loyalty to our democratic political system is greater than their loyalty to their party and its leaders, by putting their partisanship aside, and by walking away from their political party en masse and letting it fall of its own weight.
The Democrats cannot do this for the Republican rank-and-file. Their Party is their creation. They keep it alive from election to election. They propel it forward. Now they must be the one to administer the punishment it deserves for stepping over the line of legitimate democratic politics and attempting to subvert the foundation of democracy itself. Remember, one can always organize a new political party from the ashes of the old one. But once democracy is lost, it may be generations or even centuries before it can be restored.
So, on behalf of America, and its proud tradition of self-government, and for the sake of your children and grandchildren who deserve to grow up in a free nation, I appeal to the members of the Republican Party to act now! Walk away in 2012! Destroy your Party, nationwide, for its strike against democracy, by voting against it; before rule of the people, by the people, and for the people, does perish from the earth!
(Cross-posted from Correntewire.com.)




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uuummm…I thought they were. They’re just not very good at it.
I’d like to see ‘em get better!
Gee, it turns out that reaching across the aisle wasn’t such a good idea after all. Who would have guessed?
I felt the ground move under my feet when Reagan was elected. I’m surprised it took so long to get this point, actually.
Focusing on Demlicans versus Republicrats only takes our focus off things that actually matter.
Diebold was the weapon they killed democracy with.
Kill electronic voting = destroy the republican party.
I’m surprised the Democrats have folded like a cheap suit throughout this whole period!
That would certainly help!
I have been arguing in a similar vein for some time. Rather than fixating on the LOTE, progressives should be focusing seriously on the GOTE, and work to push them further and further into a corner of irrelevancy instead of perversely stepping aside and allowing them political control.
There are clear, dramatic examples drawn from recent history where this phenomenon of the left working for its own self-defeat has led to disaster.
The battle against GOTE is only common sense for our self preservation, after all, and the GOP is indeed no longer even making a pretense of being a national political party in the US, as defined historically by the presence of diverse ideological and demographic coalitions. I wrote about this laast week:
http://my.firedoglake.com/donkeytale/2012/08/12/the-rationale-for-ryan-stanch-the-disintegration-of-the-gop-first-win-election-second/
At the risk of sounding the Godwin’s Law alert too much, I am reminded of the German “stalinists” (Trotsky’s term), “ultraleftists” who ignored the rise of the Nazis while battling Weimar centrism and social democracy during the 1930s. While the historical parallels are not exact, of course, one can draw fairly straight geometric lines and ascertain the dangers of battling LOTE when the GOTE is assembling its might through control of the state to oppress the weak and the divided.
http://www.socialismtoday.org/124/international.html
Do it on behalf of the union of the unemployed:
“Ever since 2008, the Grand Old Party (GOP) has been on a rampage. Like a herd of rogue elephants, the GOP destroyed our homes and lives, wiped out our life savings, and then ambled away – scot free – with trillions in tax cuts, billions in bailouts and millions in bonuses.
Jobless Americans have 8,000 reasons to BEE MAD @ THE GOP.
The GOP opposed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, voting 1,521 to 9 against creating jobs.
The GOP cast 4,191 votes against the Commerce, Justice Appropriations bill for Fiscal Year 2010 that dealt with unemployment insurance and COBRA.
In April 2010, the GOP forced eight votes in the Senate to block a two-month extension of unemployment benefits and the COBRA subsidy and added 232 votes against the jobless.
On the Tax Extender Act, the GOP cast 1,199 votes against helping the unemployed.
Extension of the Bush tax cuts and 99 weeks of unemployment in December 2010, the GOP cast 209 votes against the compromise bill.
Even on the Middle Class Tax Relief Act with its unemployment and payroll tax extensions, the GOP cast 255 votes against the unemployed.
On those six bills, GOP members in the House and Senate cast 7,755 votes AGAINST the jobless. They stomped on laid-off worker bees at every turn.”
Great diary, LGID.
The Republican Party may be, or become a regional party, but I believe that the Democratic Party will disintegrate before the Repubs. Primarily because Dems have no principles (it’s run top down by corporatists, IOW) to unify it.
Off the wall as Repubs may be, they at least have unifying principles (and they are “broad,” not like the very narrow, splintered interest groups, that comprise the Democratic Party.
Recommmended.
Blue
donkeytale–
See my comment #10 to LGID.
Yikes! See it just the opposite. The fact that the LOTE formula doesn’t work, is what needs to be emphasized at this time, if progressives want to take back the Democratic Party.
The Repubs (from the true grass roots level) were able to take back their party from Establishment Republicans by “plucking the vine,” (don’t quote my on it, but I believe that it was the late Jerry Falwell that I first heard using this expression, when he described how the “religious right” became such a force in the Republican Party.
There truly is such a thing as “too big of a tent,” which, imo, is the reason that we didn’t get Medicare for All, and the list goes on.
Some major unifying principles are necessary, or a party loses its cohesion. That is the state of the Democratic Party today.
Off-the-rail nuts as they may be, the Republican Party maintains a great deal more unifying principle, and therefore, cohesion. Anyone (not meaning you, I’ve never seen you address this) who thinks that conservative fundamentalist Christians will sit out this election because of Romney’s Mormonism, I believe is very sadly mistaken. And Paul Ryan’s conservative Catholicism could be a draw for conservative Reagan Democrats.
Sadly, with the collapse of unions (as was demonstrated in Wisconsin), I don’t believe that there will be much of a ground game for Dems, this election cycle.
Blue
ncbb–
To some extent I agree. If corporatist Dems stay in charge of the party, I believe that it will probably disintegrate by 2016, or by that lastest, 2020.
Blue
Agreed and rec’d.
…. and when GOPers do so, they’ll feel right at home in Barack “leave no daylight” Obama’s Democratic Party.
Well, the “true grass roots level” GOP if you ignore the fact of the huge funding and initial organisational leadership by establishment Republicans such as the Kock Bros and the Dick Army. But yeah, you wish or “believe” that the Democrats will disintegrate. You show no evidence or reasoning for this belief. You just want it to happen.
But, yeah, I think its infinitely more effective for progressives to work inside the party structure than to try to build one (if thats whats really happening here at FDL rather than paying lip service to third parties followed by a symbolic third party protest vote every 2-4 years).
In any event, my argument isn’t that I want to combat the GOTE to ensure the survival of the Dems, it is that the GOTE is the more immediate, vital threat to the working class. One evidence of this is contained in the above diary. The GOP is actively suppressing the vote of minourities, poor and elderly. This is a distinction with the LOTE Democrats. Lets not even go down the road of the Romney/Ryan tax reform plans, Medicare vouchers, etc etc ad nauseum.
I’ll be happy to have the discussion you wish to have with me when you bring something to discuss besides your beliefs. And when you participate fully in a dialogue rather than keep asking for my response to your queries while ignoring every single one of my questions of you.
Oh, and I should also say I don’t disagree with your comments regarding the GOP being more unified, more conforming to a central idea, less diverse ideologically than the Dems. They generally do (2008 was an exception) have a much better turnout at the polls. Their constituencies tend to vote in greater numbers.
All of that is true. But I’m not really sure what you are arguing for or against here.
Of course the very premise of this dairy, which is asking the GOP to walk away from their own party, is hopefully satirical.
if you are being serious you are merely underscoring the untenability and lack of progressive political influence.
IMHO, the splintering into Green or independent votes in 2012 won’t improve this standing. As Blue Onyx notes, forming a solid bloc to gain influence within one of the main parties is more effective, as the tea parties have demonstrated.
Building a truly national third party in the US in 2012, besides requiring unbelievable amounts of funding and organising at the local levels, also ignores the fact that the majority of the fly over states do not contain enough of a progressive population to make a viable national party.
Meanwhile, the GOP ignores your call for them to “surrender” and just keeps doing what they do best. Consolidating wealth and political power to self-perpetuate their wealth and political power.
This is assuming that those who still consider themselves Republicans today don’t support these actions. There are so many partisans blinded by the “win at all costs” mentality and I think that is the base of both parties these days. It is what allows the Democrats to move so far right and it is what allows the Republicans to do so many sleazy things (like voter disenfranchisement, Swift Boating, etc).
I sure hope Jane didnt pay you for this article, talking about mental masturbation. What a joke.
I have argued before that the only way now, short of a massive conversion of the political culture (an effort that is in the works btw), to get a progressive party in the US is for the Republican Party to go over the cliff, for the Democratic Party own up to the fact that it has been captured by the interests of the 1%, thus allowing the emergence of a progressive majority.
Well done and facebooked to my Republican friends.
It’s a sad statement when a Diarist has to post a disclaimer that essentially says, “Just because I’m not criticizing the Democrats or Obama in this particular post, it doesn’t mean that I, in any way, shape or form, approve or support them”. Just sad that it’s necessary.
Sorry, tribe wins.
I wish TBogg would include this disclaimer.
I’m glad he doesn’t. It shouldn’t be necessary.
A pox on both of their houses. Both corporate parties deserve to die, otherwise the rest of us will continue to have no representation.
That’s the hard slog. It’s much more strategic to push one over the cliff and compete with the other. A little unity on the alternative wouldn’t hurt either. Just go to Politics1 and look at the list of Presidential candidates who have gotten on the ballot in at least one state.
Both parties are terrible but letsgetitdone is correct that there is a basic difference. Today’s national Republicans are the reincarnation of the old Confederacy. I’m not speaking figuratively, this is really true. It’s very telling that this blog post ends with a quote from the Gettysburg Address.
He’s vicious against anyone who criticizes Obama.
But Democrats have crossed that line, too: they crossed that line back in 1985 when the DLC assumed control of the DNC, giving us corporatists as candidates. So Democrats should self destruct, too.
As Gore Vidal eloquently stated long ago, echoing Charles Reich: we have a property class in control of our government, providing the illusion of choice: one party having a liberal face on social issues; the other a fundamental religious face. But both represent corporate America.
They are both evil and equally guilty of treason.
Great post. Wish I’d said that, lgid. Not much to add except the lying is beyond anything even approaching legitimate, especially when it is deliberate. And there are billions of dollars behind it. I accuse the republicans of the far greater sin here.
Please see Barefoot Accountant’s comment @29. I agree with it, Gore Vidal and George Carlin. Neither party as currently constituted has any redeeming qualities. They are both nothing more than participants in the Kabuki Theatre of the uniparty duopoly in thrall to the Banksters.
Update
The criminal elite own our government.
Both the D party and the R party work for them—not the people.
I believe you may be addressing an Obama/lesser evil supporter.
Think maybe he sees the thugs as by far the worst of the two parties?
Sorry but lesser of two evils doesn’t quite capture,it for me.
“The wisdom that real democracy protects us from such extremes has been hard won over many years, and Americans cannot allow it to be betrayed by a political party that…”
Real democracy?
You want real, direct democracy?
Sorry to have to bring this to your attention at this late stage of the game, but you missed the boat on that one by 2,520 years.
Whatever nuances of democracy to which this country has aspired have been MIA for a very long time.
Now if you are looking for a theocratic, fascistic, plutocratic, police state, why step right up and get your ballot for the next media controlled travesty of a failed democracy.
Voting is meaningless, and democracy but an illusion.
American democracy has a kindred historical relationship with T. Rex: once extinct, it ain’t coming this way again, ever.
And perhaps ultimately the most grievous loss for the American people is the independence of the Fourth Estate: unfortunately it sold itself cheap to the highest bidder least we forget that in a predatory capitalistic economic system everything and anything is always just a heartbeat away from a ready and waiting sales invoice.
American democracy: toll the bell, close the tome, and extinguish the taper.
Fini, das Ende.
donkeytale–
Not sure what you’re saying. But will try and clarify what I meant.
You say: “Well, the “true grass roots level” GOP if you ignore the fact of the huge funding and initial organisational leadership by establishment Republicans such as the Kock Bros and the Dick Army.”
I didn’t address what you say above in my reply to you, because it wasn’t the topic. But, as a matter of fact, here’s what I said on that topic on August 14, 2012 (if you need to read the context, it was in Ohio Barbarian’s diary entitled: “The Practical Progressive Reason to Want Obama Re-elected.”)
Blue Onyx August 11th, 2012 at 4:18 pm 14
In response to TarheelDem @ 9
Grassroots Republicans were able to take over their party in several decades because they had the backing of “big money” (business) interests, to finance their endeavors, and push their conservative low tax, etc., agenda. What billionaire(s) will help progressives? Last time I checked, Soros et al, wasn’t exactly beating down the bushes to come forward with financing for any “fiscally” progressive candidates, or causes. And that won’t change.
Blue
I said that then, and I have consistently pointed this out. I’m not sure why you believe, that we are at odds, on this point.
We do disagree in regard to the feasibility of working within the Democratic Party structure. You think yes, I think no.
You say: “The GOP is actively suppressing the vote of minourities, poor and elderly. This is a distinction with the LOTE Democrats.”
Not sure what you’re saying, about the LOTE Democrats.
I say that I do not support “voter suppression tactics,” period.
“This is a distinction with the LOTE Democrats.” I literally haven’t a clue what this means, or I’d reply.
“I’ll be happy to have the discussion you wish to have with me when you bring something to discuss besides your beliefs.”
As far as I can tell, your reply is based on your opinion, as well,
with the exception (if you consider this fact) of your statement regarding the Establishment Republicans helping fund the Republican Party at the grassroots level. And my “copy and paste reply” shows that I’ve also noted this fact, in past comments.
You say: And when you participate fully in a dialogue rather than keep asking for my response to your queries while ignoring every single one of my questions of you.”
I addressed every point that I fully understood. If you’d like to explain the one sentence, about the LOTE Democrats, I’ll reply to it, as well.
Blue
taking it out of context–
Judging from my highly casual tally of prospective voters (who are scheduled to perform in less than twelve weeks) a lot of people in both major parties may walk.
I spent (wasted) about five hours on the southern California freeway system yesterday afternoon, Friday rush, in 4-7 lanes of stop-and-go, lots of stop and lots of go, all through LA and SD, and got the opportunity to observe thousands of rear car bumpers. At a time, close to the election, when partisanship and at least some electoral fervor should be evident, I paid close attention to the displayed political bumper stickers.
My final tally:
Obama — 1
Romney — 0
Prior to this, I’ve spotted a couple Obama stickers but not yet one Romney sticker, not one, therefore my prediction of a super-low turnout. Take it to the bank! Hurrah! None of them deserve a vote.
Is any else’s experience different?
A principal reason that the pubs have enjoyed some success in years past, and up to the present, is that many (in fact, a majority) of the party membership approves of party doctrine, political approach, and execution of objectives. In light of this observation, it seems unlikely that the pub “braintrust” (such as it is) will be swept from leadership positions as a result of a “revolt from below”.
And there’s this from USAToday:
donkeytale–
Glad we agree on something. LOL! My point is simply: a party without some “broad” unifying core values, will lack the cohesiveness necessary to survive, indefinitely.
The Democratic Party has gotten by for many years, frankly, because it was able to convince “low information voters” (especially working class voters) that they (Dem Party) were still the party of FDR (defenders of the social safety net, etc.). Obama’s dogged pursuit of a “Grand Bargain” for the better part of last year, made it clear that this is no longer true.
And, with this so blatantly obvious, I figure that eventually, the many disparate special interest factions that make up the Democratic Party, will not be able to hold the party together.
Blue
hbb (#31) and Barefoot Accountant (#29)–
Spot on.
Blue
If you have read any of my comments you will realize that I agree with that and the quote by Emma Goldman in.re. if voting made a difference it would be illegal. Glad to see that you refuse to be “fooled again”, unlike so many who rationalize voting for Obama.
Book Salon up with Michael Grunwald’s The New New Deal: The Hidden Story of Change in the Obama Era hosted by Michael Hiltzik
Thanks Blue. Hopefully this problem will a thing of the past for both of us in the not too distant future. Rafael Correa and the OAS have given us a reason for hope through their recent actions.
hbb–
Spot on. (Good news–looks like we have another “kindred soul” who agrees with us, at the blog that I mentioned.)
Blue
Hey letsgetitdone:
Is this a private circle jerk or are you still accepting applications for membership?
Hey lets .I never dreamed you took the the two-party scam seriously .No wonder we kept talking over each other when discussing fed policy.When you disparaged goldbugs and hence believers of strong assets ,I should have stuck with my initial point that we have completely different world views and therefore will never agree about the governing system .We just can;t educate each other ,and that’s life .
I believe it’s none of your fucking business who I support. Just sayin’.
Nice mouth. I’d be ashamed to rationalize my partisan support for O and the Democrats too, if I was an Obamabot.
Uh, you might want to remember the Carnac Rule Jane imposed a few weeks ago. It is now incorporated in the “About Us” ground rules.
Whatever. You can call me names if you wish. You can make all of the unsupported assumptions that you wish but you’re not going to bully or badger me into revealing who I’m voting for or why. That’s my business and I’m not planning on sharing it with anyone I have no regard for. You can be as annoying as you wish but that doesn’t make you more credible to anyone but ideological bullies or make your opinion even as relevant as my cat’s.
Yep. Seems just the sort of comment the Carnac rule was designed for.
And even aside from all of that, what I always scratch my head over is the converse of the LOTE argument; that there is a GREATER frikking evil!
There is, no matter how much 3rd party activists say there isn’t. A reall pisser is that 3rd Party folks act as if we have a popular vote/parliamentary type system, when we actually don’t. Fercryingoutloud Al Gore WON the popular vote in 2000!
So until the 3rd party peeps explain to me how they get to 270 Electoral College votes, I am voting against the greater evil.
Because forget the gay and women’s issues stuff for just one moment. For the last 3 years Belch and I have been managing his parents through MediCAID. And it’s very dicey. He knows all the details by heart, since we’ve split care duty, where we live on my income and he takes care of their needs.
But you know what? MediCAID doesn’t cover a lot of stuff. A lot. Like incontinence supplies which the folks need. And it’s expensive. Vitamins? Nope. The list goes on and on.
And there is no way in hell I am making a protest vote when I know for a fact that a Romney/Ryan win is only going to make a rather bad situation worse for my folks – their indignity in their old age and suffering in their infirmities would only be compounded, and virtually guaranteed.
To get called an “obamabot” and and casually dismissed as morally inferior with the LOTE epithet is just beyond tolerable, given all the other work in the past and present to actually PROTEST and be an activist, but somehow this one quadrennial event takes all that away.
The icing on the cake is that these dismissals come in light of this post that decries the activities to take away a bunch of people’s voting rights and make voting, for them, illegal; thereby proving Emma Goldman simultaneously wrong on one hand, and correct on the other.
When Roger Stone is working for the Libertarians instead of the Republicans, you know there might be a few folks who quietly leave (unlike Roger Stone–did you know the Koch’s bought Ryan for VP with a $100 million donation).
LOTE? GOTE? I am unfamiliar with these acronyms. Mock me if you wish, but please define. Thanks.
Nice call to the better angels of Republcans’ nature that they really don’t have. After all, their mantra seems to be, “I’ve got mine, or think I will get mine, or pray I will get mine, so screw you!”
Good luck on that one. If only the Democrats would do the same, then maybe, just maybe, America can get out of this mess without full scale revolution and civil war.
Which would really suck.
Ohio Barbarian–
LOTE — means “lesser of two evils.”
GOTE — means “get out the vote.”
Blue
No, Murphee, GOTV means “Get out the vote”
GOTE in this context is “Greater of two evils”
Always the optimist, eh ligid?
No ,Kelly Canfield ,Emma Goldman was right on both hands .Voter suppression is about power politics of monied interests ,and their competition says nothing about how we are ruled in the serious matters of political economy to which Goldman referred .
Kelly Canfield–
I stand corrected. Thank you.
I probably read it as GOTV, because I’m not familiar with the GOTE acronym. Guess this is “a case of the blind, leading the blind” (in regard to my trying to inform OB).
So making the conditions for a certain set of people to be unable to vote, you know making voting illegal, somehow is ok, for some reason, because Emma Goldman must be right in all modes?
I don’t think so.
I think the point of the post is correct. Voting matters, and so much so that there is a lot of right wing effort to suppress voting.
Who said anything about it being okay ? Why are you framing your comments within passive-aggressive contexts ? It appears you want to rail against third-party voters while using your personal situation to silence dissent .Dude .nobody votes for Stein or Nader with any intention of winning .It’s about building,you know ,something better than the dlc or the pubs ,both of whom are structurally filthy with corruption.You get no points for activism unless it was for some plight to which you don’t identify .If your a dem ,I doubt it was about the poor ,because they never mention them .
I’ll unpack this comment:
Just because you claim that, doesn’t mean I am. That’s just a claim on your part, and passive aggressive? Weak.
Silence dissent? Really. I was DISSENTING from these expressed opinions. Try again.
No intention of winning/governing? Then that’s just fucking around. If you can’t or don’t or won’t make actual policy, why should I listen to you?
Really? I have to work for an interest that isn’t mine in order to be….something you approve of, which isn’t enumerated?
Sorry. I work for policy things I want to have happen. Includes the poor. You didn’t happen to see the MediCAID piece of the equation I mentioned, did you? And I have worked for food equality for fucking ever.
Try again.
I read about your situation,which is regrettable ,but it has no bearing on your past .If you brag about your activism ,then you should be lauding something more noble than the class-averse culture of victimization known as identity politics .What the fuck is a food equality ? Do you mean food security? Maybe you should try again ,if you actually care about the issue .
If I don’t support Obama ,then I’m just fucking around ? T hat comment confirms everything I previously said about your repugnant passive/aggressive nature and the need to quash responses with such an overbearing attitude .You are a real nasty piece of work.I will give you the last word ,because your psyche requires it .
You’re really good at putting things in peoples mouths that they didn’t say.
Gotta hand it to ya, you got skillz. Facts to rebut? no, but killer skillz? Yeah…
BTW, defogger, the first time I got a vid cam, here’s what I worked on in 2007 when the Farm Bill was up last time. …http://youtu.be/SoISbaIxJdw
Sorry to bum you out Mr. Bacon, but on my way to my job, here in So. Cal. (downtown L.A. to be exact), I’ve seen numerous bumperstickers for President Obama ..
I’ve seen maybe two or three for Rmoney…. the cars (all of them old, beat up junkers) being driven by old white guys
Always makes me laugh when I see that
I like this line of reasoning, but I’m not sure how you want to apply. The GOTE is the corporatist takeover of democracy. The LOTE is usually the Democratic Party’s candidate in any election. I prefer to fight the GOTE, but to do that, sometimes you have to fight against the LOTE.
Nice stats!
That may be, Blue. But I also think that the D Party name and apparatus may be retained by one of the resulting factions. It may be worth fighting for that name and apparatus. One possible re-alignment is that the corporatists come together around the Americans Elect label, and the New Deal Democrats take control of their party again. That would leave the evangelicals and the Randian/no tax people fighting for control of the R Party which would probably split again.
I think so too. Reid should have gotten the filibuster in January of 2009 and then purged Lieberman and Nelson leadership positions as a warning to the rest of them. They then should have proceeded with Medicare for All, HR 676. Under threat of purge, Baucus would have played ball, then. If they had implemented MFA by the beginning of 2010, there’s no way the Republicans would have won the House or would now represent a serious challenge for the presidency.
They will! But with the Rs gone, the way will be clear for a new left party to emerge, maybe based on the Green New Deal. On the other hand, if the Rs split into corporates and evangelicals; then a new corporate “center’ party may emerge which cod sweep up blue dogs, leaving the Ds to the progressives.
I agree that it’s easier for progressives to take over the Ds rather than build up the Greens or another alternative. It doesn’t take that many signatures in most States to get your candidates on the ballot. See: here, here, and here.
I agree with most of this. But the purpose of this diary wasn’t satirical. Its purpose is to point out that the Rs have gone beyond the pale of democracy in generating their voter suppression campaign and therefore deserve to be killed. So, I’ve called upon the Rs to do their duty and kill it.
I thought it was up to me to make the point and remind them of their moral duty as patriotic and loyal Americans. Whether or not they respond to this call is another matter. But I wanted to make it clear that it was a matter of principle, patriotism, and loyalty.
I don’t assume that Rs will go along with this diary. I’m only calling for moral action of them and hoping that others will take up the call.
Calling on people to act like loyal patriots moved by moral principle isn’t a joke, whether or not they laugh in your face. And the proper response is for everyone to take up this call and make them accountable for their disloyalty and moral corruption.
And no, Jane doesn’t pay me for cross-posting here. I’m a community blogger who posts at a number of sites. I write to make my voice heard.
Thanks!
Thanks. Some of the sites I post at have commenters who are very quick to point out that the Ds don’t have clean hands. So, I thought the disclaimer might be a good idea.
They do. But at least the Ds, when they’re in power, don’t try to attack the voting rights of Rs. That’s different; and it’s worse than anything the Ds have done! So my view is that we ought to kill the Rs now, and move to the Ds later.
I like to rub Republican noses in Lincoln.
“But Democrats have crossed that line, too” What line? I was talking about the specific line of passing legislation to undermine the capability of the majority to replace leaders they believe have performed badly. I don’t think the Ds have crossed that line. They may deserve death too for other reasons; but not for that one!
Thanks for your perspective. Why are you bothering to comment here?
It is unlikely. But likelihood wasn’t the point of this diary.
i don’t take it seriously. Why do you think that I do?
I wasn’t aware of the rule. But it seems like a good one!
Hi cb, No, just doing what I think I ought to do! Actually, I’m pessimistic that Rs will take any notice at all.
Kelly, many of your points were good, but this:
Clearly, Defogger meant “no intention of winning in 2012, but the intention of winning after we’ve built the Greens into a potent political force sometime during the next decade.” You may disagree with this as a strategy for victory; but it is a view of how progress may be achieved that may be true.
My own view is that whether or not one votes for the Greens should depend on the context of that decision. For example, if the polls show that Jill Stein is likely to get 1% of the vote on election day, and the election is close in one’s state, then I think it’s better to vote D. But if you’re in a solidly blue state, say New York, then you’re in a position to register anger at the Ds and approval for the Greens by voting Green.
If one believes that the Ds are corrupt, then one can work to take them over between elections, or alternatively one can work to build the Greens or another third Party, but gathering financial support and working for ballot access. My preference is within the party because I think that’s the easier course.
The situation affecting how to vote would be very different if near election day Jill Stein had say 20% of the vote. Then I’d say vote that way, especially if the Greens had momentum and were quickly gaining support, because there’d be a real chance to win then in a three-way race.
Anyway, right now, even though Jill Stein has run a very good campaign, her name recognition is still far too low to make a good run at the leaders. So, it’s beginning to look like we’re stuck with Obama/Biden or Romney/Ryan and a Congress run by Rs or by Ds. That’s a lousy choice; but it’s also a clear choice if you look at it from the point of view of who will do less damage over the next 2-4 years. I’d say that’s the Ds. I’d even go so far as to say that the more progressive Ds in Congress the less damage will be done. You’ve got to get enough so that legislation can be passed without the support of the Rs AND the blue dogs.
The majorities in 2009 were large; but not large enough to get along without Blue Dogs unless the Ds got rid of the filibuster. If the majorities were even larger however, then a larger stimulus and Medicare for All would have been possible without worrying about it. How large a majority? Probably what FDR had in the 1930s and Lyndon Johnson had in 1965.
That’s my take also. The other thing, as someone who was heavily invested in the electrio year 2004 movement against the electronic election machinery, and agaisnt Republican efforts to strip voters off the voting lists, (that probably cost an uncaring John Kerry the Presidency), I will state what I know about the Democratic leadership and voting rights:
They are totally uncaring about the situation. They haven’t done anything about the hackable election machinery, not in the past eight years. And now it’s too late, three months before an election to care about it. In fact I think they are in collusion. I am not talking about your local Dems. Or the mid level Party leaders. I am talking about the people at the top.
Then there is the factor that the Democrats who do get Party support are total Republicans. Look at Mike Thompson from my No Calif. district. He BRAGS about how he understands the need to end the entitlement of Social Security. We truly have ourselves ONE BIG MONEY PARTY, and the only thing separating the two is the friendliness of the Dems for women’s reproductive rights, and on issues like gay marriage. I suppose we should also be thankful that Dems somewhat believe in the notion of having air to breath, (polluted and radioactive as it may be) and that they won’t announce we must wear our underpants on our heads after their election.
I live in the deep South – the darkest of “red” areas – and just last week my son and I were noting that we have yet to see a “Romney/Ryan” bumper sticker. Have seen only one for O . . . either many of my neighbors will hold their nose and vote for “R” or it will be a low turnout.
The repubs had a primary just a few weeks ago… I have never seen my polling place so empty. Speaking with one of the volunteers there, she told me it had been that way all day. Since it was about 6 pm, we both figured it would remain that way until the polls closed.