During Part One of this series, I approached the end of my post with this paragraph.
Apart from the political opposition from the insurance companies that Medicare for All would have engendered, I think the main justification for abandoning Medicare for All and switching to the PO and eventually the PO-less ACA, was actually neoliberalism. The President, his main advisers, the Democratic leaders in Congress, and most progressives working for Washington progressive organizations were steeped in neoliberal doctrine. They viewed the Bush tax cuts and the two Wars as unpaid for. The ARRA stimulus Act was similarly unpaid for and added to deficit spending and to the debt-subject-to-the-limit. They believed and most believe today that the Federal Government can have solvency problems if the debt-to-GDP ratio increases too much, and interest rates on the national debt are driven up by the bond vigilantes.
A Medicare for All Act would have required Federal spending on health care to rise by $800 – $900 Billion per year over present levels. They were not ready to cover that with higher tax revenues, and they were not ready to deficit spend it because they viewed that as fiscally irresponsible, and believed then and still believe now that it’s necessary to decrease the debt-to-GDP ratio over time.
So, they wouldn’t consider spending for Medicare for All. They wouldn’t look seriously at the hundreds of thousands of lives they were consigning to oblivion, at the bankruptcies and divorces they could prevent, or at the obvious fact that while HR 676 would have cost the Government $900 Billion more in money annually that the Government can create at will and at zero real cost; it would have saved the people who have to pay for health insurance, and health care out of pocket and in the form of “co-pays” $1.8 Trillion annually, thus providing a marvelous boost to the economy. Instead, they just said to everybody, that it was impractical and that the United States couldn’t afford it; but that it would be able to to afford a self-supporting PO bill, and later when that was taken off the table, a deficit neutral insurance bailout like the ACA.
My friend Lambert Strether liked Part One and cross-posted it at Yves Smith’s Naked Capitalism site. But the above statement bothers him because he thinks that using the label neoliberalism alone without explaining what aspects of that paradigm provided the justification for taking Medicare for All off the Table, and who the political actors are who adhere to this, makes my treatment incomplete. Even though I agree with the view that it’s easy enough to google “neoliberalism” if someone doubts what I mean by the “term,” I also agree with Lambert that it would add something to Part One for me to be more specific about my thinking and show the connections between neoliberalism and the decision to take Medicare for All off the Table. Hence, this Part Two.
What is Neoliberalism?
Neoliberalism is an evolving ideological paradigm which can be traced back to the work of Hayek and von Mises in the 1920s and even earlier than that. I won’t however, do a historical survey here of the various developments and nuances. Instead, I’ll just rely on the definitions and specifications of this body of thought that seem to me to be the clearest statements of the current state of the paradigm. Let’s begin with this contemporary definition and characterization of neoliberalism by Thorsen and Lie (2007):
Neoliberalism is, as we see it, a loosely demarcated set of political beliefs which most prominently and prototypically include the conviction that the only legitimate purpose of the state is to safeguard individual, especially commercial, liberty, as well as strong private property rights (cf. especially Mises 1962; Nozick 1974; Hayek 1979). This conviction usually issues, in turn, in a belief that the state ought to be minimal or at least drastically reduced in strength and size, and that any transgression by the state beyond its sole legitimate purpose is unacceptable (ibid.). These beliefs could apply to the international level as well, where a system of free markets and free trade ought to be implemented as well; the only acceptable reason for regulating international trade is to safeguard the same kind of commercial liberty and the same kinds of strong property rights which ought to be realised on a national level (Norberg 2001; Friedman 2006).
Neoliberalism generally also includes the belief that freely adopted market mechanisms is the optimal way of organising all exchanges of goods and services (Friedman 1962; 1980; Norberg 2001). Free markets and free trade will, it is believed, set free the creative potential and the entrepreneurial spirit which is built into the spontaneous order of any human society, and thereby lead to more individual liberty and well-being, and a more efficient allocation of resources (Hayek 1973; Rothbard [1962/1970] 2004). Neoliberalism could also include a perspective on moral virtue: the good and virtuous person is one who is able to access the relevant markets and function as a competent actor in these markets. He or she is willing to accept the risks associated with participating in free markets, and to adapt to rapid changes arising from such participation (Friedman 1980). Individuals are also seen as being solely responsible for the consequences of the choices and decisions they freely make: instances of inequality and glaring social injustice are morally acceptable, at least to the degree in which they could be seen as the result of freely made decisions (Nozick 1974; Hayek 1976). If a person demands that the state should regulate the market or make reparations to the unfortunate who has been caught at the losing end of a freely initiated market transaction, this is viewed as an indication that the person in question is morally depraved and underdeveloped, and scarcely different from a proponent of a totalitarian state (Mises 1962).
Thus understood and defined, neoliberalism becomes a loose set of ideas of how the relationship between the state and its external environment ought to be organised, and not a complete political philosophy or ideology (Blomgren 1997; Malnes 1998). In fact, it is not understood as a theory about how political processes ought to be organised at all. Neoliberalism is for instance silent on the issue of whether or not there ought to be democracy and free exchanges of political ideas. This means, as Harvey (2005) indicates, that policies inspired by neoliberalism could be implemented under the auspices of autocrats as well as within liberal democracies. In fact, neoliberals merely claim, in effect, that as much as possible ought to be left to the market or other processes which individuals freely choose to take part in, and consequently that as little as possible ought to be subjected to genuinely political processes. Proponents of neoliberalism are therefore often in the “critical literature? portrayed as sceptics of democracy: if the democratic process slows down neoliberal reforms, or threatens individual and commercial liberty, which it sometimes does, then democracy ought to be sidestepped and replaced by the rule of experts or legal instruments designed for that purpose. The practical implementation of neoliberal policies will, therefore, lead to a relocation of power from political to economic processes, from the state to markets and individuals, and finally from the legislature and executives authorities to the judiciary (cf. Østerud et al. 2003; Trollstøl and Stensrud 2005; Tranøy 2006).
Thorsen and Lie’s view of neoliberalism as an encompassing system of thought with the above characteristics is the best account of it I’ve seen. This view is a general statement about neoliberalism. And it lets us see how dangerous and anti-humanistic neoliberalism is in its broad implications for many spheres of life. But, of necessity, it can’t cover the finer points, and isn’t specified to economic neoliberalism’s take on the role of, and constraints on, Government policy in its relations with the economy. So, we need to go more deeply into the economic side of this. That further specification of one aspect, the economic side of neoliberalism, is called the Washington Consensus.
The Washington Consensus
Wikipedia offers a good statement of the 10 points in the Washington consensus specified by John Williamson, of the Peter G. Peterson funded Institute for International Economics. The points were used by the World Bank, the IMF, and other financial institutions to guide their relations with developing nations, and also as a set of principles or guidelines to inform the policies of Eurozone central authorities.
– Fiscal policy discipline, with avoidance of large fiscal deficits relative to GDP;
– Redirection of public spending from subsidies (“especially indiscriminate subsidies”) toward broad-based provision of key pro-growth, pro-poor services like primary education, primary health care and infrastructure investment;
– Tax reform, broadening the tax base and adopting moderate marginal tax rates;
– Interest rates that are market determined and positive (but moderate) in real terms;
– Competitive exchange rates;
– Trade liberalization: liberalization of imports, with particular emphasis on elimination of quantitative restrictions (licensing, etc.); any trade protection to be provided by low and relatively uniform tariffs;
– Liberalization of inward foreign direct investment;
– Privatization of state enterprises;
– Deregulation: abolition of regulations that impede market entry or restrict competition, except for those justified on safety, environmental and consumer protection grounds, and prudential oversight of financial institutions;
– Legal security for property rights.
It’s said by many that the Washington Consensus is dead now because of the Crash of 2008 and events since then. But I think it’s plain that its influence lives on in the thinking of people like Erskine Bowles, Peter G. Peterson, David Walker, President Obama, media organizations such as CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, and The Washington Post, many media commentators and reporters, think tanks around Washington such as the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, The New America Foundation, AmericaSpeaks, The Brookings Institution, so-called non-partisan organizations formed to influence the two major parties and even spawn a third party, such as Americans Elect, and No Labels, and many in Congress including the “Gang of Eight,” which Virginia Democratic Senate candidate and former Governor Tim Kaine says he will immediately join, if elected.
I think it’s influence is felt even in liberal or progressive organizations, and among progressive commentators and writers, who all share, or at least constantly give lip service to, ideas like fiscal policy discipline, and tax reform, as well as more specific ideas derived from these principles which we will turn to now.
The Washington Consensus and the drive for Fiscal Sustainabiity/Responsibility Interpreted as Austerity and Long-term Deficit Reduction
The influence of the Washington Consensus is reflected in the myths and fairy tales being told by the continuing Fiscal Sustainability/Responsibility/Austerity political movement being driven by the above groups and people and many others. This movement has developed a more specific “Washington Consensus” in the form of myths and fairy tales derived from further specifying Williamson’s Washington Consensus. In another place I’ve listed and debunked them. Here, I’ll simply list them, so that their relationship to more general neoliberal principles and the original Washington Consensus can be seen:
– The Government is running out of money
– The Government can only raise money by taxing or borrowing
– We can’t keep adding debt to the national credit card
– We need to cut Federal Government spending and make do with no more money
– If the Government borrows more money, the bond markets will raise our interest rates
– Our grandchildren must have the heavy burden of repaying our national debt
– There is a deficit/debt reduction problem for the Federal Government that is not self-imposed.
– The only way to tackle our deficit is to cut excessive spending wherever we find it.
– We should also find a bipartisan solution to strengthen Social Security for future generations
– The next generation will inherit a stagnant economy and a diminished country
– The United States is in danger of becoming the next Greece or Ireland
Each of the links provided refutes a claim offered by the more specific fiscal sustainability/responsibility/austerity version of the Washington Consensus. That version began to gather urgency in Washington soon after President Obama assumed office, and became a major force early 2010 with the President’s appointment of the President’s National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform. After nearly four years of the Obama Administration, these myths and fairy tales dominate the Washington conversation about fiscal responsibility, fiscal sustainability, and deficit reduction, and still push these issues to the center of our concerns, even after years of high unemployment, and the destruction of 40% of the accumulated wealth of middle class Americans, the continuing decline in the quality of our schools, our collapsing infrastructure, the continuing decline in social and economic mobility in the United States, the continuing subversion of the political system by monied elites, both personal and corporate, the continued failure of our health care system to deliver health care that works to all Americans, and doesn’t economically devastate those who enter the health care system, and the continued exacerbation of many of our other problems. Why do the neoliberal partisans of austerity and long-term deficit reduction say that the fiscal responsibility problem is a more important problem than all of the others, or even a problem at all? Why do they prioritize fiscal discipline over everything else?
It’s because they say that the US Government is constrained in its spending by its need to raise revenue from taxing and borrowing, and its dependence on the bond markets for reasonable interest rates when it borrows. This is the Government Budget Constraint (GBC) which is at the very center of their story, and which drives their reasoning to the conclusion that unless we get the national debt under control, so that the debt-to-GDP ratio stops growing and stabilizes at some reasonable level, our financing from the bond markets will carry prohibitive interest rates. And that if we continue borrowing beyond that our credit will finally collapse preventing us from funding many of of our essential programs and even our common defense.
All the claims, I’ve reviewed here, except perhaps for the last, are based on the idea that this GBC exists. There’s plenty of evidence that it exists, they say. Look at households, look at private businesses, look at non-profit organizations, look at state Governments, look at Greece, Ireland, Spain, etc. They all have GBCs don’t they, and since the Government is just like an enormous household, it has a GBC too, right? Wrong!
Modern Money Theory (MMT) says that for a Government with a non-convertible fiat currency, a floating exchange rate, and no debts in a currency not its own, there is no GBC. That claim is at the heart of the counter-narrative asserting that the US has no budget constraint except for self-imposed ones.
Some rightly point out that even though the Constitution allows creation of financial wealth without limit, a GBC does exist in the US because Congress has imposed it, by locating the power to create money “out of thin air” in the Fed, and by requiring that the Fed not extend credit to the Treasury, by either allowing it run a negative balance in its accounts, or by monetizing Treasury debt by buying it directly. However, these claims don’t hold up because 1) Congress can always remove these constraints since they are political rather than economic, and 2) they ignore the 1996 legislation allowing the Secretary of the Treasury to mint proof platinum coins of arbitrarily high face value, e.g. $60 Trillion.
Treasury can use that law to fill the public purse, pay off all debt subject to the limit, and cease to issue any new debt. Since this capability exists, even without Congress removing its constraints on Treasury money creation, Treasury can still create whatever it needs to close any gap that might appear between tax revenues and Federal spending of Congressional Appropriations.
Conclusion
So, here we are, a Government without a GBC that can never run out of money involuntarily, and we’re facing a persistent, well-funded and powerful neolliberal consensus in Washington that wants to impose austerity on all of us in the name of a non-existent GBC that it passionately asserts will cause the nation to “go broke,” if we give priority to all of our major problems, while forgetting about their fantasy that we are doomed if we don’t reach some entirely arbitrary level of debt-to-GDP ratio, that they have no way of even deriving in any rigorous way from their neoliberal theory of government fiscal responsibility.
With increasingly grave warnings of doom they try to make us believe that we are facing a national crisis that must be met with a bipartisan solution that will be impervious to the inevitable protests that will arise from most people when their solution causes suffering — as it inevitably will, since as MMT shows, deficit reduction and government surpluses, in the presence of trade deficits, and desires to save in the private sector will inevitably cause destruction of private sector financial assets. Since the elites are in a better position to protect their financial assets than other Americans, the burden of austerity and the resulting hardships and fatalities will inevitably fall on most of us.
We will be sharing the sacrifices. They will be getting richer from their efforts in the international gambling casino, and from seizing everyone else’s property when austerity renders debtors unable to repay their debts.
Negotiation of that “grand bargain” they are seeking will probably use Bowles-Simpson as a framework, even though that framework was never adopted by the “Catfood Commission,” and even though it has received great resistance in Congress since it was published by the two Chairs in the absence of agreement needed to make it a commission product. In any event, the main thrust of the austerians/deficit hawks: that fiscal policy should focus on a long-term deficit reduction plan cutting back the social safety net, is still very much alive politically in Washington, DC and another attempt to implement it is likely either in the lame duck session, or early next year in the new Congress, barring an implosion in Europe before then that could derail the neoliberal deficit hawk drive for austerity.
(Cross-posted from New Economic Perspectives.)




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Recommended. Thanks for posting, I learned a lot, I always knew enough about neoliberalism to know I strongly disliked it, now I know a good deal more.
Neoliberal Urban policy.
Neoliberalism has been the dominant form of institutional arrangements in U.S. capitalism over the past thirty years. Neoliberalism involves organizing political and economic policy in a manner that that privileges private enterprise operating in markets over and against the state operated public sector. Neoliberalism views taxation as mostly inefficient and wasteful “rent-seeking” by the unproductive state intervening and disrupting the more efficient logic of markets. Neoliberal policy often seeks to outright privatize previously public sector entities on the same grounds that profit seeking firms operating in markets are inherently more efficient than the public sector. When outright privatization is not feasible, Neoliberal policy seeks to parallel or mimic the operations of the market via a variety of mechanisms including Private-Public Partnerships (PPPs), subcontracting, and an official stance of fiscal austerity for the state. In the US version of Neoliberalism, devolution of public sector activity from the federal scale down to the regional and local scale has contributed to the aversion to (especially progressive) taxation and predilection for fiscal austerity. Fragmenting taxing authority and responsibility for the provision of public service down to fifty states, three thousand counties and thirty thousand municipalities has the effect of significantly curtailing the power of the public sector and enhancing the power of private sector. Federal devolution and the rise of state and local tax expenditure limitations (TELs) since the 1970s have provided the exogenous force for local level fiscal austerity. However, local fiscal austerity measures have been actively promulgated by endogenous local growth machine elites, yielding a multi-layered drive to austerity.
Contra the Libertarian camoflage of neoliberalism, actual existing local Neoliberal policy is most often Janus-faced. On one side, for the working classes, immigrant and people of color communities, Neoliberalism involves the Laissez Faire curtailing and curbing of public services, pushing these strata into the competitive gales of the open market. On the other side, Neoliberal local urban policy plays a pro-active Aides Faire role in the economy as a facilitator of capital accumulation via a policy repertoire based on capital subsidies, place promotion, supply side intervention, central-city makeovers and local boosterism. Neoliberal urban policy is Laissez Faire austerity for the majority and Aides Faire facilitator of capital accumulation for the moneyed elites.
Neoliberal. n. A neocon who wishes to take advantage of the resources of the Democratic Party.
Recommended.
I’m not sure that the derailing of Medicare for All was a matter of ideology or just the particular vested interests of members of Congress. Only the Tea Party folks in Congress seem very ideologically oriented. That it implements a neoliberal agenda is just saying that folks capitulated to money. In Congress, you don’t have to invent an ideology to do that. It mostly without philosophical reflection.
What neoliberalism has done is influence the cultural discourse to strait-jacket it so that one can’t imagine policies outside of its framework — or risk marginalization. The crude way that the right enforces neo-liberalism on their perception that he is straying from the fold is to attack him as a socialist, communist, fascist foreigner. What that produces is circumspect behavior.
Those same forces would operate with a vengeance on any politician who dared transgress the consensus.
It’s time to start changing the consensus. The issue is in the political culture that creates and rewards or punishes political actors, and not just those who are blessed/cursed with public office.
Challenging this default ideology is an excellent place to start.
This will be the flashpoint for the next generation of political battles. With Obama’s reelection, the Southern Strategy and the “culture wars” will for all practical purposes be dead and the path for Movement conservatives to attain real power in Washington will be next to impossible. The disputes will be between the progressive and neoliberal wings of the Democratic party.
Thanks SG. Glad you liked it!
Excellent comment sn1789. You amplified the themes of the diary in a very useful way. Thank you!
Funny. But plenty of them are Rs too.
Right THD, That’s why I said it provided some of the justification for taking it off the table. Not the reason why, but providing a cultural background that reinforced and rationalized what the special interests wanted to do.
Not sure about this. There are neoliberal wings of the Republican Party too. Also, the economic neoliberals in the Republican Party might well feel very comfortable joining the neoliberals in the D Party to form a major third party with plenty of money. Stalking horses for this kind of development are the Americans Elect and No Labels organizations.
I’m not sure this is what you mean. But I agree that most people in congress and out are trapped into thinking there is only one way to do things and that way is controlled by the market and free enterprise. So anything thought to be outside that is “liberal” (heaven help us) or socialist or something worse. Government can do nothing right or damn few things right. So the best thing is to privatize it.
I think this worked against us in medicare for all. That is government controlled and not market (profit) oriented. It may also work against us to make medicare a voucher-insurance program.
So the question is: how do we change it?
I must be stupid. I don’t see a difference between the historical Tory and the Neoliberal.
Milton Friedman is a classic liberal ,while neoliberal is when laissez-faire became free-market fundamentalism ,i.e.,neoclassical economics,which advanced the belief that market automaticity was not only feasible but essential for capitalism to best serve humankind .Any public intervention into the market is socialism and hence vitiates the utility of capital .
It’s ,obviously ,pernicious royalist bullshit promoted by business socialists who would’t have a dime if government didn’t subsidize their monopoly interests via free money ,moral hazard,designer law that decriminalized felonry ,a phony public debt to create juice-loan leverage,and a war machine to advance their transnational corporate imperialism.
Academics would have you read Irving Fisher to understand this free market farce .which means muddling through Newtonian physics ,advanced math formulae and other trappings before getting to the utel ,hedonistic plearure and other crap that is immeasurable and hence unquantifiable ,yet represents the value theory on which the entire school of thought is built and justified via backward induction .Sort of like getting to the payoff of Scientology .
If liberal wasn’t an Anglo political term constructed to be a prophylactic to absorb real progressive resistance ,it would far less confusing .
Why the fuck not? WE ALREADY SPEND *AT LEAST DOUBLE* WHAT ANY OTHER COUNTRY DOES PER PERSON. Stipulating that there would be ramp-up expenses which could go onto the deficit for x years, if we took that from a medical bucket like the SS trust fund and paid it back in when savings started accumulating, I bet it would pay back faster than anything that’s been proposed. Hell, by 2035 it could probably fix SS, too.
There are those who claim that the constitution does not authorize the congress to collect income taxes. We can join them in this and get rid of plutocracy if we consider the following:
If the federal income tax is unconstitutional, the only way to operate the govt is by pure money creation and govt owned banking. Which is possible and will break the back of plutocracy and corruption of the govt.
Our taxes do not fund or restrict govt spending. Only deficits grow the economy.
“As you know, the federal government (unlike state and local governments, businesses, the euro nations and us private people) is Monetarily Sovereign. It has the unlimited ability to create dollars.
If the government owed you a trillion dollars, it simply would instruct your bank to increase the number in your checking account by 1,000,000,000,000. Done! “Paying for” its debts is no problem for the federal government. It never can run short of dollars.
The federal government doesn’t even need taxes. If federal taxes were $0, the federal government still could create as many dollars as it wished, and still could pay you that trillion dollars. So, why not increase federal deficit spending?” from
https://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com/2012/06/14/why-not-increase-federal-deficit-spending-heres-why/
Even the tea party would find zero taxes agreeable and the 99% could unite and put the 1% in their place! Probably a long shot but might work. A bipartisan progressive tea party coalition!
My analysis is this. The Republicans are going to take it on the chin this election outside of the Confederacy, which is really amazing if one looks at the historical record, and considers the economic conditions are not conducive to an Obama reelection much less taking back the House. Then look at the demography of Southern States which will increase the likelihood of “an emerging Democratic majority.”
I did not argue that right neolibs would disappear. The United States, with “The Long Exception” of the New Deal era, the American Political Tradition has been a model of neoliberal stability as we have been stuck in the Age of Jackson. The culture wars are over. The Left has won. The battles will be between the Democratic wing of the Democratic party and the “centrist” DLC. With the Culture wars over, the split will be over economics. “Entitlement reform,” Progressive taxation, etc will be the battles. Take a look at Diane Ravitch who is to the left of Obama with her rejection of market fundamentalism incentives in education.
Sorry, I’m getting disorganized. It has been enjoyable reading your works, and nothing but best wishes.
The tabling of Medicare for All wasn’t about the American people thinking in neoliberal terms. Polling showed consistently then and still shows now that 60-70% of voters favor Medicare for All.
It was the elites in the D Party and Congresspeople who tabled it and would not fight for it. Their justifications were found in neoliberalism, and political rationalizations involving bipartisanship and pragmatism i.e. “the perfect is the enemy of the good.
You have to think back. Remember, The Tories since Thatcher have been a neoliberal party. Labor’s been distressingly neoliberal too, at least since Blair, and probably before. But if you go back to the Tories before the 1970s; they were neither knee-jerk anti-government, nor unreconciled to the welfare state. They were European Conservatives, committed to traditional authority, and cautious about the impact of unfettered capitalism on tradition and the social structure. I think the clear shift to neoliberalism comes with Thatcher. Here you can see the traces in Carter, but the big change comes with Reagan, and is reinforced by all succeeding presidents both R and D.
Friedman is often characterized as neo-classical; but he is also known as a leading figure in economic neoliberalism and was active in the Mont Pelerin Society. See the wikipedia article.
One of the points I’ve made in the Part One, is that they didn’t have to pay for it. Deficit spending it would have been better for the economy, and the savings people would have enjoyed by lowering the overall annual cost to people from $2.7 T to $1.8 T would have provided a tremendous boost to the economy. Remember, it’s a fiat currency system. We can do deficit spending if we want to as long as our imports exceed our exports, and we have private sector savings, since these two things are aggregate demand leakages which gives government more space to deficit spend.
Btw, when I say deficit spend I don’t mean run up more debt. I’d like to do it out of money created from proof platinum coin seigniorage and issue no more debt.
Of course I advocate deficit spending without debt issuance all the time. Read my previous posts.
But we do need taxes. Not for revenue. We can create that. But we can’t ensure that the dollar has value unless people need the currency to do certain things. The most important of these things is to pay taxes. So we need taxation to give our fiat currency value, and we also need it to control inflation, and to level the playing field by taxing away excessive wealth. We don’t do much of that anymore. But we did it once and ten years from now we may be doing it again.
Thanks Brian G. I think there’s much to what you say. But I also think there will be cross-currents from the older patterns making things more complex.
Hey bluedot12@11. I would disagree with your belief that free market dogma is what politicos ,msm and pop economists actually believe .It would be a miraculous irony if what these corporate underwritten voices sincerely ”think” just happened to conform with the interests of their benefactors .
I pop my ambien when Morning Joe comes on .pst .and never fail to be amazed with the corporatized parameters of adult discourse .Every fucking night they feign concern about the debt bugbear before contemplating how to savage entitlements in a world that is impervious to Keynesianism .single-payer ,and SS not generating debt .Free market dogma is like osmosis ,an existential given.
I freely admit to being an inveterate cynic ,but I’m certainly not so arrogant as to think I’m a cognitive colossus and all these other media disseminators are clueless or brainwashed .That’s a generalized FDL comment ,it’s not directed at you,bluedot12.If we can’t accept that this a bullshit narrative being posited by masters of mass – thought manipulation ,then nothing could possibly change
Hey lets .you do realize I didn’t refer to Friedman as a neo-classical ? He self-identified as a classic laissez-faire liberal ,but it certainly makes sense that his name was affixed to the neo-classical ilk.after the Chi boys went to Chile in the aftermath of the fascists murdering every morsel resistance to free market fundamentalism .
I need to walk my dog ,but I will check out the link later .thanks ,and good evening .
The UK Labor part was firmly socialist before the Thatcher Government. From Wilson in ’64, through to Heath in ’70, socialist.
I can’t speak about Heath’s Government, I paid it little attention (my focus was on wine, women & song in South Africa). I don’t remember the PM immediately before (Callaghan?) Thatcher, it was socialist though.
I do remember one of Thatcher’s very early actions was to increase VAT from 7% to 15% or 16%.
Yes, neoliberalism kills. So does neoconservatism. And both were supposedly brainchildren of Democrats.
Yes, neoliberalims and neoconservatism kill.
Any specific idea on how we can return the favor?
Even if the Constitution did not cover taxes, the power to tax could be implied from the Constitutional power to pay the debts of the United and to provide for the general welfare, raise armies, etc.
However, the power to tax was always quite clear in the Constitution, which provides in pertinent part:
The word “taxes” is unqualified. Nonetheless, some fools split hairs. Hence, the Sixteenth Amendment was adopted.
The Sixteenth Amendment provides:
A very clear clause of the Constitution and a very clear amendment.
The progressive and neoliberal wings of the Party are not that different from each other. Obama and Hillary, for example, both self-identify as “progressives.”
The cofounder of the Democratic Leadership Council founded the Progressive Policy Institute.
The real difference is between liberal Democrats and everyone else in the Party.
The perfect is the enemy of the good, but the good would have been a meaningful public option with no mandate, as Daschle coached Obama promised in 2008; and we got the opposite of the good.
If Congress actually believed in the market and free enterprise, it would not legislate so much corporate welfare.
Somewhere, I think it would be helpful to use the term “New Democrat” because to a degree that’s how Obama defines himself, and it makes the connection to the policies of the “New Democrat Coalition”.
Rarely do I hear anyone making the connection between Obama and New Democrat values, policies, and programs. Although, recently Matt Taibbi did on Bill Moyers.
This is one place where actual progressives and liberals, and Blue Dogs and New Dems diverge, and we’ve experienced the sad results. Yes, “neo-liberalism” kills, and “New Democrats” are among the “killers”.
Yes, defogger, I did notice.
How do you figure neoconservatism and neoliberalism were the brain children of Democrats?
People can self-identify all they want. But in my view the only progressives in the Democratic Party are the ones who believe in a Green new Deal. The rest are looking backward to Herbert Hoover!
The PO wouldn’t have worked. It was not good. See Kip Sullivan’s Bait and Switch analysis. Here and here.
Right! What it really believes in “lemon socialism.”
Good point!
Please don’t leave out Robert Rubin and the Rubinites: Summers, Geithner, Orszag,etc.
Five days before he took office to be exact. See this and this.
There is, however, the minor problem of the ensuing inflation, if we forgo taxation.
The U.S. Consitituion gives the Treasury responsibility for minting the nation’s coins, which get deposited at face value into the Treasury’s General Account (TGA) at the Federal Reserve, where they covers a small portion (.1%) of the government’s appropriated expenses. The 1996 passage of 31USC5112(k) has authorized the Treasury to mint arbitrarily large coins, eliminating the need to cover any of the rest of the tax deficit through borrowing (i.e., bond sales). President Clinton ran a surplus, and Presidents Bush and Obama have not taken advantage of this authority, and the national debt is now $16 trillion — it was $5 trillion in 1996.
Thanks. They’re all involved!
Thanks, I’d forgotten these indications even before the inauguration.
Thanks for the amplification!
I realize that I’m not saying anything different and anything that you didn’t already know, but I’m trying to find a way of pitching it that emphasizes that covering government expenses with Treasury-issued money is nothing new. We’re already doing a bit of it and have been since the founding of the country. And, the legislation to do a whole lot more of it has been in place since 1996 but hasn’t been used.
I’m trying to get people used to the idea that this isn’t some irresponsible, wild, new, risky, crazy scheme dreamed up by a bunch of hippies.
In the past, when I’d explain this to people, they’d start making smartass comments, like “Oh, sure, one coin to rule them all.” I’m tired of listening to that shit. This is a serious and important option, that isn’t being taken seriously. (But you know that much better than I do.)
That’s good, wigwam! I was serious when I thanked you for the amplification.
Btw, you and I are the main people pushing PPCS right now. My MMT friends agree that it would work, but no one mentions it except for the two of us. So, I guess it is up to us until it catches on again!
Well, hey. You were the one who convinced me, and I think it is an amazing insight. And, the amazing thing is that we are already doing it, i.e., we are pay a small part of the government’s bills through Treasury-issued money, specifically the seigniorage on all the coins that the Treasury mints. So, now we are talking about matters of degree. Admittedly, big degrees, but those bigger degrees are already approved by law.
And, we are already monetizing the government’s debt. What difference does it make whether the Treasury issues the money “out of thin air,” or the Fed does so, or the commercial banks do so. And the fact that the commercial banks monetize the governments debt was the point to those long threads we had a few weeks ago.
In any case, keep up the fight.