Obama for America, the campaign apparatus with the very large e-mailing list and great segmentation techniques that exploited Romney’s weaknesses to help the President to eke out (yes, I know the electoral vote involved no “eking out,” but the popular vote was something else again) his re-election victory, is now trying to mobilize people who voted for the President to work against their own interests by supporting his deficit/debt cutting activities. So, I couldn’t resist the following commentary on their mobilization e-mail.
From the graphic:
Right now, President Obama is working with leaders of both parties in Washington to reduce the deficit in a balanced way so we can lay the foundation for long-term middle-class job growth and prevent your taxes from going up.
This is just one sentence. But it has more errors in it than a whole book written by some economists. First, it assumes that we should “reduce the deficit.” But:
– It’s fiscally irresponsible to frame and follow a long – term deficit reduction plan (limited austerity) when, as now, both a trade deficit and an output gap between the economy’s potential and its actual results exist. Such a plan is one that must remove more net financial assets, specifically reserves, from the private sector than would otherwise be the case, every year the plan is pursued. Banks can compensate for these reserves by creating new ones when they make loans. But, loans create both assets and liabilities in equal measure and no new net financial assets.
So eventually, if deficit reduction is pursued for long enough, a declining rate of addition to private net financial assets will exacerbate the output gap by lowering aggregate demand and causing both labor and capital to deteriorate. This will eventually dig the US’s economic grave by reducing the productive capacity of the economy, and the Government’s ability to sustain greater levels of deficit spending, producing outputs of real social value, without triggering inflation. Oh, well, President Obama, Timothy Geithner, Jack Lew, Erskine Bowles, Alan Simpson, Alice Rivlin, Pete Peterson, and the rest of us will be able to find consolation by reminding ourselves that our collective trip to the poorhouse was in the service of the neoliberal notion that fiscal responsibility is all about containing the rise of the debt-to-GDP ratio.
– REAL fiscal responsibility is a pattern of fiscal policy intended to achieve public purposes (such as full employment, price stability, a first class educational system, Medicare for All, etc.), while also maintaining or increasing fiscal sustainability, viewed as the extent to which patterns of Government spending do not undermine the capability of the Government to continue to spend to achieve our public purposes.
– REAL fiscally responsible policy, if it works generally as expected, creates greater real benefits than real costs for people! It has nothing to do with conforming to some standard simple measure like an acceptable debt-to-GDP ratio that has only a questionable theoretical connection to the actual well-being of people. It is political malpractice to give, as the President is now doing with his drive towards a “Grand Bargain,” greater priority to that kind of abstraction, and to the opinions in the bond markets, than to full employment, price stability, a strong social safety net, and Government programs that will help us solve the many outstanding problems of our nation. Who would have predicted that this “pragmatic,” “realistic” president would have such a strong belief in “the confidence fairy”?
The President should put an end to the domination of Washington by that kind of malpractice. We, the members of Obama for America, need to call upon HIM to stop serving the bond markets, and put an end to the current misguided fiscally irresponsible campaign to promote a “Grand Bargain” that is sure to do nothing but destroy more private sector net financial assets and jobs, than would be the case if we either did nothing or increased the deficit, and created and maintained a full employment budget.
Second, what does it mean to reduce the deficit “in a balanced way”? We know what it means. It means that any “grand bargain” should be “fair” in that it takes something out of everyone’s hide. “Shared sacrifice,” you know.
So, what’s that about? Maybe a few points increase in marginal tax rates for the rich, the impact of which they will be able to substantially get around with tax loopholes and deductions anyway. Some reductions in spending on defense including cuts for defense contractors. And for the middle class and the poor the expiration of the payroll tax cuts, perhaps cuts for the long-term unemployed, certainly cuts for discretionary spending programs that benefit working and middle class people, and probably cuts in Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security entitlements, since the President has so kindly put these on the table again and again over the past years.
But that doesn’t begin to be fair. The 1% have fully recovered from the crash of 2008, largely because of the policies of the Obama Administration and the Federal Reserve in saving the big banks, and the system that allows them to make profits in the derivatives casino, which in turn have also helped the stock exchanges to erase the losses caused by the crash. In addition, the big banks have never been brought to account for their execrable and astonishingly numerous and blatant mortgage frauds that have made a hash of property rights for the middle class in the United States.
However, working people haven’t shared in that recovery, as employment, housing, and inequality statistics amply indicate. The rich are getting richer, while everyone else is getting poorer, because of an economy and an associated financial system that has been politically rigged to benefit them and grievously harm everyone else.
So, even if deficit reduction was a REAL problem, which it is NOT, the President’s call for balanced reduction is UNBALANCED and UNFAIR, because you can’t forget about history and create balance. We’ve had 40 years of UNBALANCED economics, now fairness and justice demand REDRESS. We need UNBALANCE to create a NEW BALANCE.
Once again, we do not need, and should not have deficit reduction, but if the President must have “balance,” then let us have REAL balance. Let us quit mucking around, and go back to the marginal tax rates of the 1940s and 1950s, when the great American Middle Class was consolidated and full employment was often a result of economic policies that prioritized it higher than avoiding inflation. Let us have a social safety net that is not the least, but the most generous among modern nations.
Let us have no cuts for the middle class and the poor, and let us have policies that require sacrifice from those who have benefited so much from the rigged political system of the past decades. Doing things in “a balanced way” is a fine slogan. But real “balance” isn’t a “Grand Bargain” that Wall Street-serving elites in both parties happen to arrive at. Real “balance” is justice and fairness and that kind of balance requires a settlement that gets sacrifice from those who have NEVER sacrificed anything, and gives benefits to those who have received little during the time of neoliberal economic distortion of our lives.
Third, the kind of bargain that will get sacrifices in the safety net and discretionary programs for Wall Street is not the kind that will create a foundation for long-term job growth. Only increased aggregate demand manifested in increased sales can do that, and only another credit bubble for the middle class, or INCREASED deficits from the Federal Government can supply that demand. Since the last thing most of us want is another credit bubble, the most preferable alternative is for the Government to use fiscal policy to end the human sacrifice of the middle class and the poor to the Gods of neoliberalism, and bring prosperity back to all Americans rather than only the economic elites.
And fourth, It is just WRONG to imply that if we don’t have “balanced deficit reduction,” then we must have higher taxes. That is a false choice. We need neither deficit reduction nor higher taxes to ensure continued solvency. What we need is public deficits high enough to compensate for our capability to import more than we export, and our desire to save 6-7% of GDP per year. We are not getting deficits high enough for that now, and that is what Obama for America should be mobilizing people to support.
From the e-mail:
Your voice and action helped re-elect President Obama, and hundreds of thousands of you have already responded to our survey, which will help shape our next steps. Thanks to your feedback, we’re taking immediate action on one of your suggestions: keeping you informed about how the President is fighting for you so you can continue to talk to your friends, family, and neighbors. So here’s the deal:
President Obama, do the results of your survey show that a majority of OFA members 1) want long-term deficit reduction and are willing to cut the social safety net and discretionary Federal spending to get it, or 2) do they want you to leave these areas alone and just raise taxes on the wealthy, raise or eliminate the salary cap on FICA payments, and cut defense spending? I think you know the answer to this question as well as I.
OFA members favor deficit reduction, because they don’t know that the deficit/debt isn’t a problem for America. But they don’t favor “balanced deficit reduction.” They favor 2) above instead. So, if you’re really listening to their feedback, then why don’t you stop “spinning” it, and just listen.
No “Grand Bargain.” No cuts to the safety net. No cuts to discretionary spending. If the Republicans don’t like it, then just “go over the fiscal cliff!” And keep pushing in January to restore the middle class tax cuts and fixing other parts of the sequestration that damage the middle class and the poor. If the Republicans won’t act reasonably in the new Congress, then they’ll pay the price in 2014!
From the graphic:
Reducing the deficit in a balanced way. The President’s plan extends tax cuts for 98 percent of Americans Eliminates tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans Cuts spending by more than $3 trillion The Results
More than $4 Trillion in balanced deficit reduction that keeps your taxes low and preserves investments we need to grow the economy like Education and Infrastructure.
President Obama, you’re asking OFA members to support $3 Trillion in spending cuts and only $1 Trillion in tax increases, or an average of $400 B in deficit spending cuts over the next 10 years. That $400 B is about the same size as the annual deficit spending on the American Re-investment and Recovery Act (the stimulus bill). But this annual anti-stimulus lasts for 10 years, whereas the stimulus lasted for about 2 years.
Now please explain to me why you think the stimulus bill was necessary and good for the economy and saved 3 million jobs, yet at the same time you think an anti-stimulus of the same order of magnitude lasting 5 times as long and made up mainly of high multiplier spending cuts will provide a foundation for long-term job growth, rather than simply cost the economy 15 million jobs? Do you think OFA members are dumb or something?
Why do you think OFA members will buy a pig in a poke? You haven’t given any details about the spending cuts you are willing to accept, and which ones are off the table, yet you ask for our support? You say trust me, after you’ve put entitlement cuts on the table repeatedly in deficit negotiations and after you were the person primarily responsible for the creation of the notorious Catfood Commission; who has repeatedly made favorable comments about the Bowles-Simpson (B-S) report authored by these Captains of Catfood, when they were unable to get the approval of the Catfood Commission you created?
Sorry, Mr. President, but I doubt that OFA members are that gullible. If you really want their support and the support of OFA members generally, try telling people that deficit reduction isn’t necessary but jobs programs are, and that you plan to go over the fiscal cliff and then fight hard for the Republican House to restore the tax cuts for the 98%, unemployment insurance for the long-term unemployed and a Federal Job Guarantee program that will create full employment at a living wage? That’ll get all OFA members behind you quicker than you can say Green New Deal!
From the e-mail:
That’s the President’s plan, but he’s not wedded to every detail. He is determined to work with Congress to find compromise and common ground. His guiding principle throughout this debate will be what’s best for the middle class. He’ll be fighting for you.
Well, the President’s $4 Trillion deficit reduction plan is bad enough, guaranteeing a stagnant economy for a decade. But, in addition, to be told that he’s willing to make it even worse, to maybe agree to even greater cutbacks in spending that people need, and to even less in tax cuts for the rich that they don’t need? No, OFA, I don’t think members are going to support that kind of flexibility for a guy who seems determined to give away the crown jewels of the New Deal, in return for minor concessions from the knuckle-draggers. I’d rather see him resign his office first and leave it to Joe Biden, who may, at least be a REAL Democrat (though these days that’s probably a vain hope)!
There’s a lot at stake. With your help we’ll continue to move this country forward.
Please forward this email and spread the word on Facebook and Twitter:
You bet I’ll spread the word, I’ll tell the world that support for this deficit reduction trope (‘er so sorry, “plan”) is something we shouldn’t give, and that, instead, we should shout very loudly for the President to begin acting like a Democrat, start trying to get full employment and extend the social safety net, and quit trying to play footsie with the Republicans and blue dogs.
There are plenty of things the President can do unilaterally to improve the economic situation. We voted for him to get started – not to cave to the Republicans and blue dogs again!
(Cross-posted from New Economic Perspectives.)




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Come on now LGD if you voted for this chump you can’t act suprised at what he is doing now, this is what you voted for.
From the diary:
I don’t read that as “surprise” but rather disgust at what Obama is quite predictably trying to do.
An excellent diary. Rec’d.
A “zero-sum game” is one where the winners’ winnings are exactly equal to the losers’ losings. And, a game consisting of zero-sum hands is a zero-sum game regardless of how many hands are played.
Monetary transactions are a zero-sum game. Each transaction is zero-sum; the amount that the payers pay in is exactly the amount that the payees take out. And it doesn’t matter how many zero-sum transactions you add up, the overall effect has a zero sum.
This year, in the zero-sum game of GDP, the foreign sector was a $500-billion winner and the government sector was $1100-billion loser (i.e., ran an $1100-billion deficit). That means that the rest of us, known collectively as the “public sector,” were $600-billion winners.
That was $600 billion of stimulus that the government, which prints money, mints money, and borrows money at negative effective-interest rates, pumped into the still weak public sector of the U.S. economy.
What Obama promises to do is to cut the deficit by $4,000 billion over the next decade, i.e., $400 billion per year, i.e., to cut that $600-billion stimulus down to $200-billion. And, he calls that “fiscal responsibility.”
And, he wants to cut that stimulus on a 3-to-1 basis, i.e., cut three dollars of spending, which takes from the lower 90%, for every dollar high-end tax increases, which take from the upper 10%. He refers to that distribution as “balanced.”
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Because that’s what the capitalist system has on offer. Capitalist governance is a commodity — in fact, in this era it’s the most profitable commodity on offer. Paying government to legislate in your favor is far more profitable than actually producing items for sale today. Lgid, do you seriously think our nation’s richest entrepreneurs are going to pass up an opportunity to protect America’s credit rating (or whatever scam they think they’re promoting here with this deficit-reduction crap) if it’s “bad for the economy” or if “the people don’t like it” or whatever unmotivating objection you have in mind here? The super-rich rent out our politicians, including both Obama and Biden, who are clearly vehicles for whatever it is they have in mind here. “The people” are merely along for the ride.
(As an aside note: Biden’s claim to fame is that he once plagiarized a speech by Neil Kinnock of the Labour Party in the UK. Does that sound like a guy who thinks on his own?)
Our flaw is that we carried on our own faith in capitalism for far too long, and that we never bothered to think that perhaps the capitalist gravy train, the one which started with the GI Bill after World War II and gave us our 1950s and 1960s consumer culture, was running out of steam. It’s clearly past time that we started to think about what was going to happen AFTER capitalism (and the insane system of capitalist governance which protects it for now) collapses.
translates to “raise taxes”
Once Obama gave Kent Conrad his deficit-reduction commission (Simpson-Bowles), following this path was inevitable. Conrad was running scared about his re-election prospects and trying outflank Republicans on the right. He was too clever by half. He wound up retiring because he was unelectable. A Democrat won the seat. Conrad made the deficit-reduction commission a quid pro quo for the reconciliation of the health care bill amendments (which included stripping away the privatized student loan program administered through banks).
This gave the Blue Dogs and New Democrats in Congress leverage to keep pushing deficit reduction, especially after the huge losses in 2010. (And if you still think the 2010 losses were because health care didn’t go far enough, you need to talk to my neighbors to disabuse you of any notion that progressives are the Democratic base.)
So consistency (can’t flip-flop, can’t openly endorse raising taxes) means this convoluted way of saying the Bush tax cuts on the top 10% should end. What this email does is restate the mantra that the President has been reciting at every opportunity.
My current sense is that Congress is not going to do anything this year. The tax cut will expire and the sequester of funds will be invoked. And the new Congress will take up the issue in January. And what happens then depends on what happens to the filibuster. No more than 4 Democratic Senators can balk at changing the filibuster rules for it to happen. Conrad is gone. Ben Nelson is gone. Lieberman is gone. Lincoln is long gone. Landrieu, Hagan, Bill Nelson, Donnelly are the four most likely to be a roadblock to filibuster reform. And then there are Kaine, Warner, and others of their ilk.
So what we are likely to see is an end to all tax cuts, an automatic sequester. Frantic House action in January on restoring the military cuts in order to look “strong on defense”.
If anything, the OFA email is seeking to head off another gang-of-six nonsense like that which forced the Congress and Obama into the Supercommittee nonsense and allowed credit agencies to downgrade the US credit rating (a symbolic bullshit symbol). Leaving the President free this time to do nothing and have the automatic end to tax cuts and the sequester take effect.
That’s the politics of it. It is what it is.
And yes, the policy sucks. It’s austerity by another name. And it’s the GOP’s little sucker-punch to keep Democrats from restoring the economy. Because….the Republican’s greatest fear right now is a permanent Democratic and non-conservative majority resulting from demographic changes, labor coming home, and the benefits of real health care reform (beyond the bullcrap ACA). They remember Hoover being hung around their neck for a generation.
Touche’. Well said.
The Collapse cometh.
This is a well-written and obviously well-researched post. What I find most interesting, however, is how you and other self-professed “progressives” who urged us all to vote for Obama as the Lesser of Two Evils, at least in swing states like mine, seem so shocked, shocked! to find oligarchical piracy going on in the second Obama Administration.
Like Cassiodorus said, what the hell else did you expect?
You sound as though you still have hope for Obama and the Democratic Party, aka “Turd Way.”
Don’t worry. You, too, will get numb one day.
The local Democrats, with whom I partnered on the Scott Walker Recall effort, simply went apoplectic when I compared Obomba as being much the same as Walker on the environment, stimulus, privatization, education, unions, the middle class. They dropped every pretense of discussion during the Recall about anything Broncobama and gave away every resource they had without question to OFA right before the actual recall vote and right up to the election in Nov.
I had just begun to pen a letter to teh editor for the home crowd along the lines of your post LGID, I hope you don’t mind me borrowing a few ideas. Recc’d.
So the president wants yearly cutbacks on the same order of magnitude as his 2009 stimulus but lasting 5 times as long, and involving high multiplier items instead of low multiplier, and doubtless to become even more extreme once negotiations with the Republicans begin. It’s widely thought that the 2009 stimulus, limited as it was, pulled the country (barely) out of a Great Depression. Now this Great Depression will almost certainly happen. In terms of his economic policies, Obama will go down in history as the Worst President Ever. Even Herbert Hoover did nothing comparable.
Recc’d (sadly).
And it has to be said that on this matter, the president and his party are just as nuts as any bats__t Republican.
I mostly ignore the OFA stuff in my email box because my sense is that it existed purely to elect Obama and not to build the Democratic Party map. Which means until proven different that it is now irrelevant.
However reading this one email as a statement of policy direction instead of a poltical maneuver is IMO wrong.
As I have said before, what actually happens between now and the regular business of Congress will tell us what the next four years will be like, and they are not likely to be the same as the past four. The things to watch are (1) how the fiscal cliff and tax cut expiration issues end, (2) whether the Senate reforms the filibuster and how extensive those reforms are, (3) whether the GOP caucus continues its scorched earth political tactics, and (4) whether the Democratic leadership can get its blue dog mavericky members to stop undercutting a consistent narrative.
On (1) the best event for progressive policy is for all tax cuts to automatically expire and for the sequester of military spending and discretionary domestic spending to take place even though in the short term it is another shock on the economy. On (2) the best event for progressive policy in the short term is for a complete repeal of the filibuster and all rules that obscure what is going on in the Senate and protect Senators from obvious accountability; the minimal satisfactory event is the end of the filibuster on appointments and procedure. (3) Complete capitulation of the GOP to Democratic initiatives is the best event for progressive policy if only to clarify dramatically where the Democrats stand. On (4), when you hear Mary Landrieu advocating that she reluctantly has to vote for climate change environmental regulation because the hazards from global climate change will affect Lousisiana more than the inevitable loss of oil jobs, progresive policies are definitely becoming ascendant.
OFA is irrelevant to these events because the current Congress is immune to public pressure.
What do you mean we Kemo-sabe?
Yeah, well some of us actually voted for the candidate who ran on the Green New Deal
When you get one of these emails make sure you email back the truth and what we want.
Shares in America’s number one sandpaper (coarse grain) condom manufacturer hitting record highs. They know what’s coming!!!
The elites thank you for surrendering.
What Obama is doing is classic “shock doctrine”: using a short-term manufactured crisis as an excuse to impose long-term austerity that he and his bargaining partner both want, and have been working toward for years.
And the elites thank you also.
AS usual THD you have put up two great posts. Not sure I am in on them 100%, but pretty close. I believe the next four will be pretty much like the last four. The Rs will block all they can. The only leverage O has are those damned tax cuts. There is no way I can agree to let them get another round of free money. The gulf between rich and poor is far to high to allow that to happen. Economics be damned. In the end I think the public will support that way.
There is one chip the Rs have to play and that is the debt limit. I would expect another downgrade, since I doubt O will use any way out. (maybe he will surprise us this time?)
Great diary. Recommended.
In terms of driving the narrative, I think this graph is really helpful, because it so simply and effectively discredit “trickle-down.”
Top Marginal Tax rates 1916 – 2011
http://www.whereistheoutrage.net/wordpress/2012/03/08/marginal-tax-rates/
“Trickle-down,” is the unspoken lie behind the elite’s message.
NOTHING ever “trickled down.” The 1% just used those tax breaks to buy both parties and the media. Then they used both to further propogate “trickle-down.”
Warren Buffett: “Actually, there’s been class warfare going on for the last 20 years, and my class has won. We’re the ones that have gotten our tax rates reduced dramatically.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/theres-been-class-warfare-for-the-last-20-years-and-my-class-has-won/2011/03/03/gIQApaFbAL_blog.html
Billionaire Nick Hanauer: “Raise Taxes on Rich to Reward True Job Creators”
“……When businesspeople take credit for creating jobs, it is like squirrels taking credit for creating evolution. In fact, it’s the other way around.
It is unquestionably true that without entrepreneurs and investors, you can’t have a dynamic and growing capitalist economy. But it’s equally true that without consumers, you can’t have entrepreneurs and investors. And the more we have happy customers with lots of disposable income, the better our businesses will do.
That’s why our current policies are so upside down. When the American middle class defends a tax system in which the lion’s share of benefits accrues to the richest, all in the name of job creation, all that happens is that the rich get richer.
And that’s what has been happening in the U.S. for the last 30 years. ….”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-01/raise-taxes-on-the-rich-to-reward-job-creators-commentary-by-nick-hanauer.html
For the last few years, I’ve been sending FDL $20/month. How much do you contribute to FDL and Occupy Supply?
Thank you.
Mr. President, “…why do you think OFA members will buy a pig in a poke?” Maybe because they bought the election inspired “populism” and LOTE bullshit and contributed to his reelection. Like you did.
“Sorry, Mr. President, but I doubt that OFA members are that gullible.” Wrong again. Barry takes “What’s the Matter with Kansas” national.
Did you ever really believe, against Obama’s own consistent statements, that he would not sell us out for a Grand Bargain? Apparently yes, because you’re still making solid but pointless logical arguments against what is, in Obama’s mind, a done deal. Krugman does it better, and with a far, far wider audience.
It was always crystal clear that Obama would move heaven and earth to get his Nixon moment. Pelosi and Reid will cave, as scripted, with or without higher tax rates for the 2%. Our only hope is the wingnut teabaggers and a few true leftists in Congress. Addressing your concerns to Barry or the Dem establishment is a waste of time.
Anyone also notice the parallel narrative since the election that the Republicans must “moderate” – essentially once they are claimed to do that, the stage is “reset” about as far to the right as Attila the Hun. Is this what’s known as the Overton window, and is the media not absolutely complicit in moving it? Anyway, the “normal” centre will be redefined for the US in a space where no other mainstream western democracy has any political parties at all. This all helps in the business of the rule of the 0.01% over everyone else in the USA. It will also mean that the annihilation of people’s social security and retirement, leading to ugly penury and horrid deaths for “retirees” will be sold as completely normal and “mainstream” (as well as “necessary”). The Republicans “moderating” when in fact they won’t have shifted a centimetre, will be an important part of the media astroturfing.
We voted for him to get started – not to cave to the Republicans and blue dogs again!
I voted Green and he is not going cave in because he was going to finish off Main Street in 2nd term any way.
Shouldn’t this type of demand be directed to the people of OFA (and labor, “liberal” media, Dem-enablers in general), to demand that they stop letting themselves be used against the people?
Whatever particular individuals think is the reason they elected Obama, he and the D’s campaigned largely on being marginally less evil than the R’s. Now Obama is going to go ahead and do what he’s always said he was going to do, no matter how many people will be harmed, or how extensive the harm.
How the people who oppose this are going to fight back isn’t clear to me, now that the election is over and the next Most Important Election of Our Lives isn’t here yet, but I’d be interested in further background on your apparent assumption, that “OFA” and the rest of the Dem machine isn’t going to fall in line behind this “balance” of minor inconvenience to the wealthy and great suffering for everyone else.
No war but class war.
Class war is over. We lost.
Recommended and glad to see this promoted beyond MyFDL, where the derision toward people who held their noses and voted to block Romney has gotten very tiresome.
A much shorter version of this post, succinctly and wryly letting OFA letter stew in its own self-parody, would gain even greater traction.
(ugh. …letting the OFA letter…)
President Obama did not “eke” out a victory.
First, his Electoral College victory margin was big – 332/206. This is not an insignificant statistic. It is how the Constitution demands that the score be kept.
Second, the raw vote totals are not anywhere near the “eke” level. Obama is leading Romney by 4.2 million votes or 3.3% (50.8%/47.5%).
Landslide Stein is at 0.36%.
PS I also want the estate tax raised and the exemption reduced and that obnoxious thing that let Romney pay 15% taxes fully repealed. They call it carried interest. And oh yeah, put a cap on deductions. Time for the worm to turn on those rich bastards. Remember those bastards want to reduce the minimum wage below the already 7.25 poverty minimum today.
Two other areas of possible interest:
· Looks to me that Honeywell is actually a war profiteer running its very own private nuke weapons facility and chugging tax dollars with the enablement of Obama et al (why are unions enabling nuclear?)
· After researching that rare earth mining is also “hot” in Tibet and that over $1 trillion in untaxed wealth comes from China, the Council for Foreign Relations-connected Obama for America co-chair and her family apparently have a real estate development plan for Lhasa.
Not exactly like the last four. There is now a movement in the streets, parking lots, and malls. It is not going to go away. And it is growing with each direct action. It doesn’t look like it’s growing because everybody is not all in one place, but it is getting geographical reach in a way that left-progressive movements have not done since the 1930s.
It has already had the effect of shifting the framing of what would otherwise be a slam-dunk for Simpson-Bowles. What letting the tax cuts expire does is hangs the “raised taxes” wreath of roses around the elephant’s neck for the first time since Papa Bush’s defeat in 1992. That is the dance that is going on right now in Congress. And if the tax cuts expire, the political landscape and the fiscal landscape both change.
Here in the Sonoran Desert, we, the Native Americans and the Chicanos, are indeed, a cynical bunch, and yet, we voted for Obama/Biden, knowing full well that this election was all about the “conservative” Republican and the “conservative” Democrat, Thusly, we voted in high numbers, and yet, we’re not expecting Obama/Biden to change much, if anything, during their second Obama administration. To wit, we’re playing a “self-defense” model, a model that consists of “gains” historically achieved, and therefore, not expecting much “more” during the next fours years. And that’s our Optimism showing!
In our local paper, the syndicated columnist for the Washington Post Writers Group, Esther J. Cepeda, writes that Hispanics think that Obama ‘doesn’t owe Hispanics anything’ and with which I agree. Given the “conservative” leadership of the our Democratic Coalition, “conservative” Democrats are just like the Republicans in this regard. As such, the “more” is the inevitable propaganda.
Take, for example, As the editor of the far right’s magazine, Commentary, John Podhoretz, writes a column titled, “Way Forward” in which he digresses, and thusly, ignores the salient history that is an anathema for the acculturation and assimilation that are “minorities” or more precisely, Latinos. As such, he says the following on illegal immigration, although he uses the traditional code talk for “divide and conquer” that is not unique when it comes to the crafting an argumentation premised on Latinos versus African American, as well as Native Americans versus Asian Americans, or perhaps, more gently, he’s speaking to the “black stain” on America’s character, especially, when it comes to the “soul” that is yesterday’s as well as tomorrow’s history, and despite his self-imposed political recriminations:
“It was the case as well with illegal immigration. It is one thing to talk about the need for border security. It is quite another to have presidential primary debates turn on questions of electrifying fences and putting up “you will be shot” signs at the border, or to advocate the punishment of poor children of illegals who are in this country through no choice of their own by effectively denying them access to state colleges. The first is inarguable; the others are simply expressions of punitive hostility that have been replicated again and again in discussions of illegal immigration.”
And yet, the “punitive hostility” is coming at us in the form that Arizona’s Republican Governor and the majoritarian State Republican won’t permit DREAMERS from acquiring a state drivers license, while living, working, and enjoying the fruits of their labors, even though they are Members of America’s Extended Community. And the lastest variation, is the for conservatives to play blame on Napolitano over at the Homeland Security Bureacracy.
Regardless, the tropes of propaganda from both sides of the political aisle, will remain with us, as long the news media outlets requires either ears or eyeballs for their profit-making and quoting politicians, is a spectacular profit-making “margin.”
And to quote more of Cepeda, when she says, as to our being “owed”:
“Sure, it might feel good to gloat after years of hearing outspoken representatives from the nativist wing of the Republican Party call Hispanics a plague on our country’s values and making little differendstiation between legal Hispanics and illegal immigrants–not that legal status warrants comparing a group of people to wild animals who need to be culled.”
In closing, here in the Sonoran Desert, we don’t take White House propaganda, that emanates daily, too seriously, since, our political power, is currently focused on the House’s Progressive Caucus, and we still can’t get New Jersey’s Menendez in the Senate to establish a Progressive Causus, but, eventually, we will prevail.
Jaango
Honeywell profiting from war? I was protesting Honeywell clusterbombs in the 1960s and 1970s. Why are unions enabling nuclear? Jobs. Jobs. Jobs.
So Ms. Penny is exploiting somewhere else besides the City budget of the City of Chicago. I am shocked, I tell you, shocked. Didn’t know she was this year’s OFA co-chair, though. That explains the irrelevance in and of itself.
I can’t tell you how much I hope that is right.
We’ll compare notes when the President’s 2014 budget comes out in February I’m sure.
I do believe times are changing, jaango. Keep moving ahead.
Hmmm. I’d just this morning read this piece by Mike Elk at ExiledOnline (Taibbi’s old stomping grounds) on Honeywell and union busting.
Sounds about right to me.
@ lets: Good diary, my friend. Barely controlled anger is evident and right.
Since we know #DNC2012 ♥ Bain (here and here; my bold):
- excerpt from “#Radioactive Japan with No Money Part 1: Chiba’s Kashiwa City Mayor to Have Residents Decontaminate, Says “It’s a Great Learning Opportunity” ( 2012)
Another thing that wasn’t here four years ago:
The Yes Men Are Revolting.
Source for prior comment with link: ‘#Radioactive Japan with No Money Part 1: Chiba’s Kashiwa City Mayor to Have Residents Decontaminate, Says “It’s a Great Learning Opportunity‘ (Ex-skf.blogspot.com, Nov. 23, 2012)
I wonder if the electoral college method doesn’t keep some people home since they know their state is either red or blue ( for the most part)? So the popular vote may not be as meaningful as some suppose?
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I didn’t vote for this chump Zero, those who did are the surrender monkeys. Those who voted for Obama have to own up to the fact that they surrendered because of fear or party loyalty or blind allegiance to the system
To come out now and bemoan the Grand Betrayal, after it was clearly stated by Obama that it was his plan, is at best shirking responsibility for their actions. After his first term this faux Righteous indignation just shows that some people are either tools or fools.
There’s a mindset here that you can try to speak to, but, mostly it’s Farting in the dark.
Hi, Oldgold.
Also, Alan Grayson was at Walmart yesterday. Not shopping.
Institutional politics is kabuki central. Corporate plutocrats own both parties and MSM, including especially NPR & public teevee “news” coverage. I watch the News Hour for the same reason people like vampire flicks: makes my skin crawl.
It happens in the streets or not at all. All credit to FDL for continuing OWS coverage and support.
Except the red-blue state meme is a GOP marketing and branding tactic for locking in the vote based on geographical team allegiances. That is why Obama, despite his policies, continues to assault the red state-blue state meme rhetorically. Most of the splits are narrower than 60-40. The worst split for Obama was one county in Texas that went 94%-6%. No county or precinct lacks voters of the other party.
But the image of being hopelessly in the minority does keep people home, which is one of the reasons you have GOTV.
Let’s be clear, NO ONE voted for Barry over Bishop Willard to “stop” or “block” Bishop Willard and the “elites”, the policy differences, if you paid attention, were far to similar for that type of “reasoning”. You voted for your choice of beauty contestants, the one you “liked” better, the emotional satisfaction of being on the “winning” side, the exercise in false hope of thinking you would get a better deal from one or the other, and lastly, the satisfaction of thinking you were doing something positive by holding up the oligarch by voting for his enabler.
This should come as no surprise to anyone and is only the beginning. There will be in the near future several issues and rationalizations by those who voted Barry who will act “surprised” by his obvious stands. It isn’t even a matter of writing being on the wall, more like massive billboards, skywriting, and mass media campaigns. Surprise Barrybot and Dim voters, the sun rises in the east.
94 to 6? Talk about an endangered species. Better just curl up in a ball.
No kidding.
Read Shock Doctrine when it came out and the last four years I could easily see what was coming even before it happened what others couldn’t until it was past.
Don’t fall for the Shock. Fight their Doctrine.
So, you would have been at the Walmart strikes if Romney was President?
Please, name all the other civil disobedience you would now be supporting if only Romney had won.
I’m seeing such money-grubbing insanity around rare earth extraction in what looks like permanent plans to make several world areas look like moon scapes and poisoned with radioactivity (more on my Twitter timeline fresh from Mining.Com, “Your Source For Global Mining News”).
The bankstas knew what they were doing when they started us all down the road of “nuclear” further involving India, a black money tax haven, and China (I don’t think they had any nukes prior to Clinton but correct me if I am wrong anyone).
Thanks LGID. My reference sheet for what Obama wants to bargain away is the leaked July 2011 ‘deal sheet’ brought forward by Bob Woodward.
You can find it HERE.
For Social Security it looks like a chained-CPI covering .3% of payroll and a total cut of .7% of payroll. Seems like they could cover the estimated gap by getting rid of the cap, which is what Obama promised. But from the cheat sheet, it looks like they are going to do this by slightly lifting the cap, plus a chained CPI, or through raising retirement age one year. Since Obama has a hx of not doing what he promised to do, anything might happen.
For Medicare and Medicaid, the cheat sheet shows 425 billion in cuts. I am not clear what the writing means, nor am I confident that Obama will offer to raise eligibility age two years, as reported in the July 2011 deal which did not go through. Anything might happen, but the sheet gives you some idea of which way they are going to make changes and cuts.
Thanks for this succinct analysis of the political game we are going to be watching again. Hopefully not as spectators. Lets put those tea party rallies to shame, if we have the organizational capacity around the country to make it happen.
Obama knows his target audience–low-info tribal Democrats–and he knows that almost all of them going to accept his “plan” without question or criticism.
As a Democrat once said to me when I was still a go-to-meeting Democrat, You are the media. He meant to say that those of us who are dissatisfied with MSM narratives should get the true word out to our circles of relatives and freinds. Cuz nobody’s gonna find out what these pricks are up to if we don’t tell ‘em.
Please LGID, or just Lets, or just Joe. No, I’m not surprised. I don’t think I said I was, or even implied that. I voted for O, because I live in Virginia and I think Romney is even worse. So, sue me, I thought there was too much to lose. But in voting for him, I had my eyes open. I knew what he would try to do after the election, and I determined to do my best to fight against that. So that’s what I’m doing.
Why didn’t I vote for Jill Stein, even though I greatly preferred her. Well, c’mon, she couldn’t even get 1% of the vote.
That could explain why I’m seeing a sharp increase in self-immolations of Tibetan monks..! 8-(
Well said.
*heh* Now, that is actually the first ‘decoder ring’ I got’s ta have…! ;-)
Um, why would vote distorters stop at just making sure Obitler got the votes he needed for rigged Electroal College success when stuff like this happens?
Oh yeah and about that ship …
The American people, whether Republicans or Democrats, are idiots.
Bet they’re all visible real-time from all the Bain Capital-provided pan-data-con installed in the monasteries, mobile cell towers and the nifty satellite systems. I am so disgusted with Tel-Sat-Co I could upchuck and I totally get this gal:
They own him.
Lock stock and barrel. Since they are so much smarter and such hard workers(as opposed to those lazy third party people) they should have no problem being the activists they are and stopping the Democrats and Barack Obama from participating in a grand bargain.
(or did they think their jobs as establishment party activists began and ended with pulling the lever on election day.)
Ok. But with all of that fuck the Ryan budget and the Romney playlist.
Kettle.
This diary is a waste. Really. I know it’s heartfelt and that the ideas are sound, but that doesn’t save it. The reason it doesn’t save it is because Obama is who he is and who he has been telling you he is back to before he was ever president. Don’t act surprised. You say this isn’t what Obama supporters voted for? I say that if they voted for Obama, this is exactly what they voted for. To pretend otherwise is to engage in mere fantasy of who Obama “really is.” And that is simply to engage in delusion.
This is the real Obama. If you vote for him, you voted for this.
How nice for you that you’re able to give so generously. Some of us are barely able to keep a roof over our heads, and it seems a little unfair for you to use your level of contributions to try to silence those who are not so fortunate.
Exactly, you voted for him so please quit whining about what he is going to do now that he doesnt need your support. When you had a chance to get his attention you were too afraid of the big bad Romney, so suck it up and let the bloodletting begin.
If you think he screwed you last term wait until this one. lol
Wrong Robb, i Boycotted this election.
To ensure the Republicans control Congress??
After all, Republicans are really big proponents of massively increasing the deficit… on war, corporate welfare, …
Given that it’s Texas, more likely shove it in people’s faces.
I did my street fighting 40 yrs ago when we were on the offensive now most of the resistance is defensive and somewhat pathetic, you can’t even break a window without being hounded by the Liberal supervisors.
Your constant, show me yours, dribble is getting old.
I hadn’t realized that President Bush in pushing for massive deficits was just being a Democrat….
I guess Clinton, LBJ, FDR in their deficit reduction efforts were being Republican…
If creating massive increases is the key to creating jobs, the past 12 years must be the greatest period of job creation in a century!
And Clinton’s deficit reduction efforts must have been resulted in a total depression during the 90s….
Seriously, Obama is president who has been saddled with an obstructionist Congress because progressives have been dispirited by Obama not being a dictator and tyrant, and thus boycotted the elections in 2010 and 2012 so that Republicans control Congress, and especially the House, which is, after all, where taxes are hiked.
When voters elect Republicans, they are voting for tax cut, deficits, a free lunch, and by extension, bad government.
Anyone who advocates for never ending deficits is a proponent of bad government, and a condition where nothing is worth the price, and thus government is merely the means of favor.
Rubbish.
Remarks of the President: July 22nd, 2012
This is what we are up against, not Republican intransigence.
Do you realize how lame that response sounds Joe? You had a chance to make a personal stand yet you let fear dictate your decision to vote for the More Effective Evil.
Now that you helped to elect him you try to justify that decision by opposing his agenda which your vote and others sanctioned.
We have almost no power to affect our leaders and certainly none after we vote for them so the only way i can see to stop this madness is to do what about 15 million more people did this time, not vote, and withold my consent to be governed.
This may be simplistic to some but i can at least sleep at night knowing that i didn’t vote to give anyone a mandate to destroy our society and spread the bloodbath abroad.
Part of the bigger problem is that we don’t have a Mainstream Media with any ability to keep people informed. When I talked with one rather intelligent friend of mine (She holds a PhD in philosophy) she told me that the money side of thing has always confused her. So it therefore isn’t surprising to realize that most Americans haven’t the foggiest idea of what is playing out economically. To keep it simple, I try and let people know that 49 cents out of every dollar of profit created in this country now ends up in a bank or financial firm. (That ratio was eight cents out of every dollar back in the early 1980′s.)
Likewise, some 57 cents out of the Federal Government’s budget goes to the military – and yet who gets blamed for the nation’s problems? Do we blame Wall Street for not loaning out any of the fifteen to sixteen trillions of dollars that came from Main Street? Or the military – do they get blamed?
It always comes down to blaming someone on AFDC or the elderly.
Hey eli ,your PhD friend cannot be taught intellectual curiosity .Assuming she has an aversion to books ,one can receive a great education in political economy via you-tube and Pacifica archives .Your friend exhibits why auto-didatics are generally smarter than those who’ve been graduated from prestigious institutions with gucci degrees .
Most people are intimidated by the math and physics ,none of which has any relevance to understanding economics .Tips : Richard Wolff ,all MMT seminars starting with Michael Hudson ,and Jonathan Nitzan .These are all great teaching outlets that reward not needing to unlearn.
Knocking msm is too easy ,like ridiculing the sad-sack humps who insist on believing our systemic problems are all the fault of those mean ol’ repubs.All we need is 10% who know what time it is .The real problem is that of retardation from institutional conformity ,which still believes the system is working for the public interests.That is a psychological ,not intellectual ,form of arrested development .
Why would the elites thank me for asking people to imagine what comes after capitalism?
Very well put summary wigwam! That’s the nub of it exactly.
Well, cassiodorus. I don’t expect anything from them; but that doesn’t mean I’m going to stop trying to get them to stop the BS. On capitalism, I’ve never believed in it from the first day I became aware of differences in economic systems, and I don’t believe in it now. So, for me it was never a matter of its running out of steam.
Good analysis THD. May be right! We’ll see!
Do you live in a swing state where Romney might have won?
Boo, See here.
Well, this may be hard for you to believe, but contrary to appearances, I’m not really addressing myself to OFA and the President. I’m addressing myself to thousands of blog readers at the 6 different sites carrying this post, in hopes that they’ll be angry and start pressuring their Congresspeople and Senators.
I’m really not assuming anything. Just acting as if these people can be moved into letting things go over the cliff, which is where I want them at this point!
No we haven’t and we’re not going to lose either. One way or another we’re going to win; however long it takes.
Ralph, please feel free. Not my style.
Geez lets@86 ,I had you figured incorrectly .Glad you shared that for future discussions since I find you an impressive thinker Have you checked out Jonathan Nitzan ? As with MMT ,he speaks boldly for the replacement vision .
Yeah, I know OG. But 1) it was still too close for comfort, especially given how execrable Romney is; and 2) I know what the Constitution says; but the constitution is an anachronism in this respect. We’re a democracy now and a popular vote majority of 3.3% just ain’t much of a mandate from where I sit. Especially not compared to Reagan in 1984 or FDR in 1936, for example. It wasn’t even in the 10 point range, and you know people would have voted against him if the Rs had run someone who acted like he was a human being.
I certainly hope so, Jaango!
President Obama, you’re asking OFA members to support $3 Trillion in spending cuts and only $1 Trillion in tax increases, or an average of $400 B in deficit spending cuts over the next 10 years.
Its actually worse than that. Whatever budgetary savings are achieved from spending hikes or tax cuts, the CBO custom is to tack on 20%– no not as a tip, but to reflect the reduced amount of net interest due on publicly held debt. However, that $800B ($600B if the $4T is already “tip included”) isn’t counted as a spending cut. That’s sort of curious; when Tsy makes a payment pursuant to an appropriation (“Necessary amounts are appropriated for the following…(2) to pay interest on the public debt), the word for that is “spending”.
Of course the first thing the deficit hawks should be cutting from the budget is net interest. Depending on CBO model usesd, taking net interest off-budget (by paying for it off-budget) would reduce deficit by $3.8 trillion to $4.8 trillion over the next decade– without cutting spending, raising taxes or touching entitlements. And I don’t have to tell Joe how exactly Tsy can pay for something off-budget. :o)
http://monetaryrealism.com/take-interest-in-net-interest/
Ryan was merely a feint, the obvious odiousness of Bishop Willard wasn’t enough, a move further to the right was necessary to motivate “liberals” to accept the corporatist technocrat Barry.
Who says those billionaires wasted their money in maintaining the status quo again?
Thank you, Wendy. The whole tawdry election campaign with us effectively shut out of the process is a continuing source of anger for me.
C’mon wow, you think if Romney had won, we wouldn’t be facing even greater evisceration of the safety net. The is that who we voted for doesn’t matter relative to the fiscal cliff issue. What it was about was the rapidity with which the next 4 years are likely to get worse.
Thanks TT, That’s about what I expected. For me, the specific deals are less important than the idea that no cuts at all are necessary and that we can afford to double the amount of money spent on the safety net if we want to.
C’mon, there are many reasons why people vote for a person, including opposition to the alternative. I doubt that there are very many who voted for Obama who favor cuts to the safety net.
Glad you feel good about your stand, wow. I have to tell you I feel that I did the right thing given my choices and that I’m doing the right thing now in trying to create public pressure on the Dems and Obama to refuse to cut entitlements. I know all the third party arguments having made them myself at other times and places. But every situation is different and every person has to make their own judgement about political action to take in a particular situation. My calculations suggested that it was better to elect Obama than it would have been to elect Romney. I may regret that decision; but I won’t regret it based on the probable coming cuts in the safety net, because I’ve already factored those in while doing everything I can to oppose them.
Yes, it’s like people can’t count!
I haven’t defogger, but I’ll look him up. I read a lot of Michael Hudson these days. He and I both blog at New Economic Perspectives.
Hi beo. No you don’t. See here. It takes care of the interest and much else too. Far better than a little Trillion Dollar Platinum coin here and there. Mine will scare the living crap out of the Wall Streeters and maybe they’ll respond with a run on the big banks and we’ll be able to take them all into resolution. -) -) -)
I don’t think they wasted their money at all. They framed the election with bull crap and prevented any serious policy issues from emerging.
Obama will do ANYTHING to get his grand bargain passed including lies, cheating… whatever it takes. Obama does not care about anyone but his .1% We can try and do what we can to try and stop this clown. See what happens
Who is trying to silence you? Please point that out. The mods will help you with that.
Are they preventing you from writing a diary, or is it because you are too poor?
If you’re having trouble keeping a roof over your head, write a diary about your poverty.
Write another diary thanking Jane and all the other writers at FDL for keeping you informed about the oligarchs.
Write another diary asking those who are not as poor as you to contribute.
Quit enabling those who obstruct efforts to liberate us from the oligarchs.
You not only have a roof over your head, you have an internet connection and a working computer. There are plenty of people in America who are on the other side of the digital divide. Please educate us about how you think you fit the definition of “poor.”
Is railing against private property working? Please provide a link. Move to the People’s Republic of China and tell us how you like working for Foxconn and living in a dorm.
That’s usually reserved, however, for the best and brightest.
“Welfare capitalism,” as practiced in France, Germany, other industrialized nations appears to work pretty well.
“Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.”
“I did my street fighting 40 yrs ago….”
That’s great. You must have court documents, arrest records, and newspaper accounts from the 70′s. Why haven’t you written a diary about your victories.
“….when we were on the offensive,”
“We,” were you with SDS (students for Democratic Society)? I’ll bet you have some great stories. More content for some great diaries. How long will it take you to write the first one.
“now most of the resistance is defensive and somewhat pathetic,”
We’re not as tough as you were back then?
“you can’t even break a window without being hounded by the Liberal supervisors.”
Now that’s funny. I can’t read all your exploits.
“Your constant, show me yours, dribble is getting old.”
You don’t like it, pony up.
I am with you TT…don’t forget the Trillions printed up and handed over the the Wall st crooks each year by the Fed. No talk about that money in the debt deal. The same crooks who caused this mess in the first place. Both parties are bought off. Obama doubled down on GW polices and merged GW with Clinton because Obama is a “New Dem”
Great diary, thanks.
I am with you TT…don’t forget the Trillions printed up and handed over the the Wall st crooks each year by the Fed. No talk about that money in the debt deal. The same crooks who caused this mess in the first place. Both parties are bought off. Obama doubled down on GW polices and merged GW with Clinton because Obama is a “New Dem”
Hi beo. No you don’t. See here. It takes care of the interest and much else too. Far better than a little Trillion Dollar Platinum coin here and there. Mine will scare the living crap out of the Wall Streeters and maybe they’ll respond with a run on the big banks and we’l1l be able to take them all into resolution. -) -) -)
‘After you, your honor.’