The above compelling perspective was drawn by Naomi Wolf in her May 29, 2009 commentary in Huffington Post.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/busted-pentagon-why-the-p_b_209046.html
According to Ms. Wolf, the British Telegraph asserted that President Obama is refusing to release the second group of Abu Ghraib photographs because they depict actual rapes, one of a male soldier raping a female detainee (probably Iraqi) and another of a male translator raping a male prisoner. The Pentagon “formally” denied it, she adds, but Ms. Wolf suspects the Telegraph is right. That given the sexualized style torture already disclosed, illegal and immoral, and mandated from senior leadership, such escalated behaviors of sexual sadism most likely revealed in these photos would be a probable and horrifying consequence of the U.S. torture “program”.
There is evidence, Ms. Wolf points out, that meetings were held with Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rice in attendance where sexual humiliation was discussed as policy. The Defense Authorization Act of 2007 was written, she contends, to allow certain kinds of sexual abuse such as forced nakedness, understood by domestic and international law as illegal and a form of sexual assault. In documents obtained by the ACLU, Rumsfeld is on the record as consulting with subordinates about a policy of sexual abuse. Again, such sexual torture was mandated from the senior leadership, not independently embraced by lower level soldiers “misbehaving.”
She writes:
Is systemic sex crime practiced by the US in a consequence of the lawlessness of `the war on terror’ surprising to those of us who work on issues of sexual abuse and war? It is totally predictable: when you give soldiers anywhere in the world the power, let alone the mandate, to hold women or men helpless, without recourse to law, kidnap them as a matter of policy – as US military kidnapped the wives of `insurgents’ in order to compel them to turn themselves in – strip them naked, and threaten them, you have a completely predictable recipe for mass sexual assault. The magisterial study of rape in war, Susan Brownmiller’s Men, Women and Rape, proves that.
She continues:
I also pointed out in `Sex Crimes in the White House’ that the escalation of the sexual abuse showed the same classic pattern shown by sex criminals everywhere – you start with stripping the victim, keeping him or her completely in your power, and then you engage in greater and more violent excesses with more and more self-justification.
Ms. Wolfe asks who is Obama protecting by not releasing the photos? The victims? They would want the crimes exposed. Our potential or avowed enemies? Word of the sexual outrages is already widespread, from accounts of victims. The perpetrators? So it would seem. These pictures are, she stresses, “evidentiary evidence.”
Ms. Wolf also makes a disturbing speculation as to why President Obama wants to employ the right of preemptive detention with the 100 detainees in Gitmo:
It ain’t because they are `too dangerous,’ his pathetic justification. It is because their bodies are crime scenes. It is because the torture, including possibly the sexual assault, they experienced is likely to be so horrific that if they were ever to have their day in court it is others whom Obama needs who would be incriminated.
Accountability and responsibility for the perpetration of this sexual abuse needs to occur for this country to recover its collective soul as well as to ensure a functional domestic constitutional law and empower a functional international law.
So many of the seemingly “holiest” of authority figures have tragically and stunningly proven to be chronic sexual predators. The perpetration of the original abuses was horrifying enough on the victims. But the literal, in many cases, decades of cover-up by the perpetrators and by their denying or incredibly minimizing “protectors” out of cronyism or authoritarian intimidation added further pain onto the victims, along with exponentially increasing the ranks of additional victims. So it will be with this wave of sexual crime on the victims. I am not just speaking of only the detainees, innocent suspects and actual terrorists combined. I am speaking of our own soldiers.
What of these tragic human hybrids of both perpetrator and victim? The direct perpetrators of the torture violence? Our male and female soldiers following the torturous orders to torture? They were victims of a lawless and immoral senior authority and catalyzed into monstrous agents of inhuman acts in the name of patriotism and loyalty to superiors.
And what of the vengeful reciprocation our "dark side" depravity and barbarism will inspire and role model for other countries? We have not only recruited more righteous enemies for ourselves and our soldier children, but seriously increased the likelihood of horrific abuse if they become captured.
As Rachel Maddow once declared, “We live in an ethical freakshow of a universe.” It seems to be intensifying.
And to quote another wry woman, Dorothy Parker, “What fresh hell is this?” We need to face down these hells, not desensitize ourselves to them, though their frequency and depths have reached obscene proportions on so many fronts.
For our new administration and our citizenry to grant a “pass” to the unpardonable, will cause us to be colluders and enablers in lawlessness and sadism. For us to continue to honor and protect those who carried the mantle of leadership but profoundly betrayed it and us, would be a further travesty of justice.
We need to break through our collective denial and minimization of these crimes and wrap our minds around their repulsive realities. We need to awaken our consciousness and conscience. Are we collectively capable of issuing a morally courageous mandate?
I think of that adage by Edmund Burke about evil thriving when good men and women do nothing. Time to assert courage and will, good people of America. Time to lead our new leader out of this moral quagmire.



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Recommended. Thank you, Libbyliberal. The following is a comment at EW’s 05/27/09 post “Why Did Tenet Creaste a False Record on the Day He Quit”. I also found this quote in other refs on Google.
[emphasis mine]. It appears to me that GWB has had an anal fixation from his boyhood (the frog torture stories).
I agree that Obama is protecting the top perpetrators, probably Bush himself among others.
I also agree that the long after-effects on those who carried out the torture will put at risk the citizenry after the return home of those who were ordered to do these vile acts. There must be some addictive, sensuous ‘high’ experienced by the torturers that is difficult to kick.
Obama may have realized after being inaugurated that he doesn’t really have as much power as he hoped for – as did JFK…
fine post libbyliberal, thanks for the perspective
I think Obama shares one of Bush’s major flaws — the belief that as president, he can make reality into whatever he chooses.
Otherwise, how does he not see how profoundly wrong it is not to release all the photos and let the chips fall where they will?
Thanks, libbyliberal.
Recommended. Thanks libby.
This is really huge. If there are photos, and I believe there are, where are the court martials? If there are no records of the court martials, …. the photos become more evidence of the text book definition of state sponsored terrorism.
Thanks, acquarius. This is chilling stuff. I had not heard about the frog torture from W’s childhood. His eagerness to torture frat pledges at Yale, yes, with a branding iron, until thwarted by Yale Daily News. Had to be reduced to using hot wire hangers and lit ciggies.
More and more I am realizing such nicknames as Caligula for him are not all that hyperbolic. It is the horror of those seemingly strong and rational people who are after all authoritarian followers, but aren’t we all to some degree. My mind thinks back to word of a female soldier who committed suicide to escape dealing with the “torturer” trauma.
The culture kool-aid, entering the culture fog. Where was and is Congress? Where is Obama, et al.? That adjective “strangelovian” also says it all. We have to collectively speak up. Our long sought new leadership can/seems to be seduced by the “status quo”, the dangerous enmeshment of cronyism at the expense of integrity and morality.
I was wondering when it would leak out that males had sexually tortured females. It was starkly absent, and in a climate where such abuses were going on. Naomi Wolf says that the American press behaves as if in a drug-induced stupor. With a lack of fourth estate “outrage” being registered, are we as citizens becoming acclimated to these horrors like the proverbial frog (speaking of) being boiled alive, gradually desensitized to the heat.
When I think that 62% of churchgoing evangelicals are pro-torture, it makes my head swim. Is that bipartisan cronyism or projected insecurities unleashed to punish others? Hearts of darkness.
Thanks, perris, Art and Boo.
Is Obama going down the Colin Powell path? Bush and Cheney had no credibility in recommending a war with Iraq. So they exploited someone who was “charismatic” and “loyal” enough to go along out of his own opportunism or conditioning or self-protectiveness to be the so-called “closer” for them and their illegal war. Powell was not alone, but he was a prime catalyst, the catalyst right at the end. Some politician commented, “He was the only one who could have stopped it.” Sorry, forget who.
The horror of Obama playing “closer” now for such crimes. Seducing the public to minimize and not explore evidence of atrocities out of status quo cronyism and gamesmanship with the military, political and corporate class. Leading us toward denial rather than justice. Leading us to further moral bankruptcy along with our economic one.
” At one point during the event, which was billed by organizers as a “moderated conversation,” both Clinton and Bush admitted they were surprised to learn Canadians and Americans will require a passport or an enhanced driver’s licence to cross into the United States as of Monday.
He joked that his mother, Barbara Bush, told him Clinton has been spending so much time with his own father, former U.S. president George H.W. Bush, that he is “like a son to her.”
“So brother, it’s good to see you,” Bush said, just over four months after he left office at the end of one of the most turbulent periods in modern American history.
McKenna led off with a question on whether the Iraq war was a distraction from the war in Afghanistan, a conflict in which he said Canada has suffered a “disproportionate” level of casualties.
Bush, in turn, rejected the premise that Iraq distracted attention and resources from battling the Taliban and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan as “false.”
“I should know. I was there,” he said. “
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story…..ronto.html
thank you. i heard about this “debate”? NOT … such professional courtesy to each other? so lots of $ for both of them to skirt serious issues. wow. titillating celebrity vs. negative grave impacting of the world. bipartisan cronyism checkmates truth yet again.
thank you for this post. It is horrifying and sickening but needs to be faced. And the perpetrators brought to justice.
You’re describing authoritarians and their dependent followers. However much followers make independent judgments in other aspects of their lives, their need to follow hierarchical authority trumps almost any hypocrisy exhibited by the leader. Burning the village to make it “safe” wasn’t hyperbole from the Vietnam war era; it was description.
Well, you know what? Being there has never indicated that he knows squat…As I recall, he didn’t know much about Katrina, 9/11 warnings, “history or geography.”
Well written post. We must not give up on confronting torture. MSM has. We cannot.
Thank you, libby, for your thought provoking response.
The American press: Former CIA Director Allen Dulles surely studied the Nazi handbook on government take-over (”first gain control of the press”) as well as studying their torture methods. He and his brother, John Foster Dulles (then Secty State), took full advantage of Ike’s illnesses in the last 2 years of his presidency and the CIA began to gain illegal control of America’s foreign policy via its “clandestine” arm. That baby octopus has now become a giant squid with deadly tentacles and inky spewings.
The evangelicals: I vote for
My childhood exposure to those evangelists and their ‘revivals’ taught me all I ever want to know about that crowd who mostly wallowed in the sensuous passages in the Old Testament and ignorant interpretations of the Book of Revelations. That was back in the mid 1940s – - not much change, if any.
Libby, you are a fine writer and your soul shines out in every diary and comment I have read by you. Thank you. (wasn’t Siun’s book salon with Jurgen Todenhofer a fine experience? Your comment there squeezed my heart).
farmgrrl, earl, RevBev, klynn, thanks for responding!
The parallel to the church on this, with the covert cancer of sexual abuse toward children and the subject just too distasteful for those entrusted with the welfare of those children to open their minds and hearts to. The decades and decades this abuse of power went on and the sanctimonious hypocrisy and levels of depravity reached. The perpetrators were sick and addicted and horrifyingly lost and pathetic, but the victims’ plights and the gratuitous trauma visited upon them with the original crime and then the exponentially disrespectful, devaluing coverup.
And those of us facing honestly this horror and depravity being minimized and who knows, maybe now being outsourced, the military status quo with its macho secrecy and “role” over “individualism” may be drinking this kool-aid still having broken the 11th commandment (”Don’t Get Caught” …. the hell with the real 10 commandments … let alone golden rule for living)… those of us facing it down and trying to get Congress and the majority (who voted Bush in two terms) to be outraged and demand this stop are like those children who were betrayed going unheard and unheeded.
“Responsibility” is the ability to respond. Our press has lost that. It is not responding to real life valuable priorities. Our Congress has lost that. Not all but the majority it seems. It has been seduced with money and lobby pressure and cronyism. And our citizenry has lost the ability to respond, the vast majority.
The Milgram experiments at Yale that showed 6 out of 10 people when commanded by a seeming authority figure wearing a white coat to issue a debilitating shock to a fellow human because of authoritarian intimidation is telling. It is up to the 4 out of 10 people not in that category to be activists and push back. Fight for the rights of the individual against those corrupt who have assumed power and are not trustworthy.
Bob Altmeyer has his authoritarian follower thesis on line, right earl?, Alice Miller (For Your Own Good) who maintained trauma theory was the basis of all emotional problems wrote about the incredible scope of how patriarchal over-control of children in the culture, don’t trust your own emotions and values, let me tell you want to think and feel, guts their values clarification system and makes them bend to mis-users of authority above them so atrocities happen globally eventually.
One female soldier was asked to do the torture. The trauma of this perfect storm of evil drove her to suicide. One more tragedy swept under the rug by media and those in power. One more horror to go unheeded.
Aquarius, what a warm and thoughtful validation from you. I was responding to others and did not see your comment as you posted. Thank you.
I was raised Catholic and taught to over-respect authority figures. I did too long which is why I am so intense now, maybe. Also the rules about being passive and female. I also grew up around addiction and its horrors and betrayals and secrecy that allows it to destroy the system around it, that enables it. And kills the messenger for inconveniencing the system and threatening it with the truth. Denial is a thick wall so often. Dysfunctional families not kind to whistleblowers. Rules, don’t think, don’t trust, don’t feel.
Trying to recover from that family legacy only to discover my nation-family is dysfunctional profoundly and the horror of that on my family of men and women siblings. And once more the children being so betrayed. The global children. And their chances even more lessened to have their individuality fostered in such threatening times. Fear does not foster growth. It contracts the mind and heart. Indoctrination prevails. The refugee children in Pakistan, given structure by Taliban to prepare for suicide missions and faux superiority of misogyny!
That was an amazing book salon with Jurgen, and I hope it inspired me to stay awake and proactive.
To hear a voice of sanity, Jurgen is one more person finally saying, emperor no clothes, one more time. Hello world????? Anyone awake out there?
Thanks, again, Aquarius. :)
It was obviously agreed ahead of time that no serious questions would be asked by the moderator. The right wingers who paid to listen to these two pretend to speak anything worth hearing, are Canada’s wanna be neocons. I guess Bush 1 is too old and feeble now to tour the world with Clinton so sonny boy is taking his place. Gotta to refresh those coffers as Georgie said. We have laws against allowing war criminals into Canada; too bad they are not enforced because of Harper AKA the US and AIPAC stooge.
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” Frank McKenna, Canada’s former ambassador to the United States and a former New Brunswick premier, acted as moderator for the event. He largely steered clear of more controversial topics, including the use of torture on terrorism suspects by U.S. intelligence officials and the U.S. detention centre at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. “
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story…..ronto.html
…or anything else..grin..
Aquarius, this is so brilliantly said. I am trying to go back to history and learn more. The decline and dysfunction, its seeds, were begun so long ago.
And the evangelicals, your points about the sensuous passages and misinterpretations. I am so sunned 62% of evangelicals are pro torture! One thing fighting indifference to torture, but that crazy Cheney spin on it being GOOD, and once again that authoritarianism and projected personal issues outward onto others. Exceptionalism on steroids.
blue, I am so glad you led me to that interview. I immediately thought to myself reading about it. Oh, I see. You would think there might be some honesty in discussion, considering their respective and supposed political parties, but these two are in the political and moneyed class … and they are playing nicely and self-aggrandizingly together. And there is a quid pro quo of knowing about skeletons. Or is it just accruing more money and basking in shallow waters of celebrity for dysfunctioning ego-driven power addicts?
I can’t believe W (replacing Dad) and Bill continuing with dog and pony show out of the country. Let’s hope even the most obtuse US citizen would not abide that. Good to hear of swelling ranks of protesters. I suspect it was more than 400, if the Canadian press counts like the US one. But maybe not. Thanks.
Libby, except for the denominational and probable geographic differences, your story and mine sound very much alike. I view much of my early life as a scrawny prairie flower growing out of a huge cow patty. But we’re proof that those of us who ‘make it through’ may be bloodied but our heads will remain unbowed…
Stay the course, Libby; yours is a Good one.
Libby, for the best, most believable history of the CIA here is an online book written by a man who was right in the middle of history from about 1943 until his death in 2002.
At this site, scroll down to Contents, click on “author’s note”, then the Preface. The entire book is over 400 pages and will put your eyes out, but it is available at both http://www.amazon.com and http://www.abebooks.com
I ordered hard back first editions of both Prouty’s books about 2 months ago. Prices have soared since then, and one like mine is now priced at $999.00. You’ll understand why after reading the preface.
I’ll tell you ahead of time, it will be helpful to engage in some healthy, balance restoring activities as you journey into these books.
Allen and John Dulles were both OSS. Not that they were a rare breed. The archive contains 23,973 names of OSS personnel between 1941 and 1945. The picture of Dulles and Eisenhower is found under the Digital copies heading..just type in John Dulles.
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” Dulles, Allen
Dulles received a Distinguished Service Medal for his OSS service in Switzerland and later served as Director of Central Intelligence.
ARC ID 2171692
Photograph of Dwight D. Eisenhower and John Foster Dulles Meeting: 08/14/1956 – 08/14/1956 “
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I saw questions from you too late. Answer is.. believe him. Official web site link in case you’ve not seen it. If he hadn’t died in June 2001, he would have had some words about the official propaganda around 911. He would not have believed a word of it. Other answer is..”The Culture Atlas of”…(I clicked on the picture to enlarge). The last word is covered by Rove, but likely to do with Muslim or Islam, is my guess because the book was likely just given as a gift to Bush. The last link has Texas-Israel business ties, some the same time period as HLF moving to Dallas.
http://www.archives.gov/resear…..personnel/
http://www.prouty.org/
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrar…..es/TX.html
The right wing and pro Israel enablers, Toronto’s ‘Star’ said only 100..’g’. How newspapers count depends on their political agenda. The average person is more aware of reality than editors want to admit.
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” “I am offended that Bush is in town. We should have nothing to do with his corporatist policies,” said Malone Mullins, 17, who held a sign reading “So Mr. Bush, what’s the price of oil? Massive murder. Welcome to Canada”.
Anthony Hall, a professor of globalization studies at the University of Lethbridge, came all the way from Calgary to protest.
He says by refusing to arrest Bush, Toronto police and the Canadian government are “spitting on the rule of law.”
“Bush is the most notoriously accused war criminal on the planet. He should not be in this country. We have not seen this level of rampant criminality at the highest level. It makes Al Capone’s Chicago look like child’s play,” he said.
The event acted like a magnet for many of Toronto’s protest groups such as Code Pink, a women’s anti-war group, a 9/11 conspiracy group, a war resisters group, and a group asking for the repatriation of Omar Khadr, who gathered to promote their causes.
Members from Local 1005 of the United Steel Workers joined protesters to call on Toronto police to arrest Bush for being a “war criminal.” “
http://www.thestar.com/article/642621
” And there is a quid pro quo of knowing about skeletons. Or is it just accruing more money and basking in shallow waters of celebrity for dysfunctioning ego-driven power addicts? “
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The answer is ‘both’. The Bushs and Clintons have been close buddies for many years.
” I also agree that the long after-effects on those who carried out the torture will put at risk the citizenry after the return home of those who were ordered to do these vile acts. There must be some addictive, sensuous ‘high’ experienced by the torturers that is difficult to kick. “
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” The very design of Abu Ghraib in Iraq turned good soldiers into evil tormentors that humiliated and brutalized prisoners, a famed social psychologist said. Stanford University professor Philip Zimbardo described a “Lucifer effect” as he flashed shocking images of Abu Ghraib horrors for those at an elite Technology, Entertainment and Design conference in California.
“If you give people power without oversight it is a formula for abuse,” Zimbardo said to a stunned audience the included famous actors, entrepreneurs and politicians.
“Abu Ghraib abuses went on for three months … Who was watching the store? Nobody, and it was on purpose.”
Zimbardo, 75, is renowned for the 1971 Stanford prison experiment in which students on summer break play roles as guards or prisoners in a mock prison in the basement of a building on the university’s campus in Northern California.
The pretend guards grew so sadistic and the prisoners so cowed that the experiment was halted prematurely out of concern for the students.
Zimbardo detailed stark parallels to abuses of suspected terrorists by US soldiers at Abu Graib prison in Iraq, and how environment can turn people into heroes or demons.
“I was shocked when I saw those pictures but I wasn’t surprised,” Zimbardo said of the images he was privy to while a member of a legal defense team for a sergeant charged in connection with prison abuses.
“Because I had seen those cells before at Stanford. The power is in the system. It’s not bad apples, but bad barrel makers.”. . .
“There is an infinite capacity to make us behave kind or cruel, or make some of us heroes,” Zimbardo said, convinced that environment dictates the outcome far more than people’s characters or personalities. “
http://prorev.com/torture.htm
Am on my way to work soon, but will explore as soon as I can your link disclosures. I know you give me (us) gold. Thank you. I appreciate what you are saying. I once clicked on a link about AIPAC, a video, late at night at work and was hyperventilating and a tad paranoid at the end of watching, not to mention horrified. When Kirk asked Jurgen that question about how do you stay balanced and sane while emotionally grasping the horrors and insanity … that was a key question.
To be continued … :)
So wry and inspirational and poetic. Acquarius … so you are an Acquarian, too? as I. :)
These quotes are a great antidote after reading Bush and Clinton got a standing ovation. Industrial strength kool-aid in the reception punch bowl?
Zimbardo has been talking about this for quite a while on sane tv media shows. Meanwhile, back at the covert Camp Gitmo.
Blue, do you know much about the woman who committed suicide when asked to torture at Gitmo? I heard someone on radio mention her during an interview. I will explore when I get to work, too.
Thanks for the exchange!
Thanks, blue. I value your opinions. As I read these books I keep trying to find some way to disbelieve him; so far unsuccessful.
I’ve listened to all his clips that I can find. Isn’t it amazing that at least one man maintained his integrity and his own principles in the midst of all that sell-out bunch. He even said, “no, thanks” when offered the promise of being promoted to general if he would stay. I’m amazed that they did not kill him.
I’m going to give your link to the Bush/Clinton visit a try — don’t really care for self abuse, though. (heh,heh).
” Alyssa Peterson was one of the first female soldiers killed in Iraq. A cover-up, naturally, followed.
But in this case, a longtime radio and newspaper reporter named Kevin Elston, not satisfied with the public story, decided to probe deeper in 2005, “just on a hunch,” he told me in late 2006 (there’s a chapter about it in my book on Iraq and the media, “So Wrong for So Long”). He made “hundreds of phone calls” to the military and couldn’t get anywhere, so he filed a Freedom of Information Act [FOIA] request. When the documents of the official investigation of her death arrived, they contained bombshell revelations. Here’s what the Flagstaff public radio station, KNAU, where Elston then worked, reported:
“Peterson objected to the interrogation techniques used on prisoners. She refused to participate after only two nights working in the unit known as the cage. Army spokespersons for her unit have refused to describe the interrogation techniques Alyssa objected to. They say all records of those techniques have now been destroyed.”
According to the official report on her death released the following year, she had earlier been “reprimanded” for showing “empathy” for the prisoners. One of the most moving parts of that report is: “She said that she did not know how to be two people; she … could not be one person in the cage and another outside the wire.”
Peterson was then assigned to the base gate, where she monitored Iraqi guards, and sent to suicide prevention training. “But on the night of September 15th, 2003, Army investigators concluded she shot and killed herself with her service rifle,” the documents disclose.
A notebook she had been writing was found next to her body. Its contents were redacted in the official report. “
http://www.editorandpublisher……1003965876
Yes, Libby, born Feb 5; never mind the year… Are we all addicted to curiosity? I went through a phase of looking into that astrology stuff, finally decided to wait til my next ‘life/energy experience’ to learn about that. Did have a strange experience in that area though. Had a very intelligent, highly educated friend who had studied it in depth. Just for fun she was to ‘do’ my chart; asked date, time, place I was born, etc. She got out some awfully complicated maps and charts of the heavens and constellations. She became very still and after about 30 minutes turned pasty white faced, laid the work aside and refused to tell me anything more. She was dead serious, so I decided not to go down that road any further…
I am sure he lived because he had too much on too many and ‘they’ could not have known how many copies of documents and storage places he had. In other words, in the event of my death..look here..and blame these guys with my proof that can be found here and here and here. UGH! Just looking at the picture of those two smug men sitting on that stage being paid to say nothing of importance enrages me. They are responsible for the death of millions during their presidencies. Clinton started the rendition flights, so he was a torture president, too. War criminals; both of them.
And still the no-neck monsters giving the orders learned nothing; just hide Truth and cover up their evil deeds with lies upon lies and threaten any who dared to question.
After those long, eight tortured years of Bush the change we got was the tragic change in Obama, who now holds the championship in the Liars Contest.
I agree, and all during the 90s Clinton & Albright used food as a weapon against the Iraqi people and multitudes starved to death. I saw a clip of Albright saying, “yes, it was worth it” when reminded of the many deaths from the sanctions. Stupid to the max.
I bet you’re right as to how Prouty survived. Don’t think it would be too healthy to back a man like him into a corner…
Albright was referring to the death of 500,000 Iraqi children.
Obama is not impressive. At the rate he is going, one day he will be sitting on a stage with Bush; not much difference in their policies. He thinks it is fine to kidnap and torture the Uighurs for 7 years and then deny them entry to the US. He is trying as of last week to send them to Australia. Hard to believe that these innocent men were cleared for release in 2004 and that they are still at Guantanamo.
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” US President Barack Obama has asked the Australian government to accept a group of Chinese Muslim detainees currently held at Guantanamo Bay prison camp.
On Friday, the Obama administration filed papers with the US Supreme Court arguing that the men were being lawfully held even though they are no longer considered “enemy combatants”.
The Obama administration wants the Supreme Court to uphold an appeals court ruling last year that the men should not be released into the US. “
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8075089.stm
The Christian Peace Maker team were interviewing family members of Abu Gharib prisoners starting during the early summer of 2003. They were hearing stories of sexual abuse and other abuses early on. They were taking their reports to upper level military in Baghdad and were repeatedly told to “beat it” get lost. Much of what they were hearing and reporting finally made it into the MSM
Let’s hope for sake of the truth these pictures make it out to the public. Americans need to see what their government has been doing
” I was wondering when it would leak out that males had sexually tortured females.”
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These might be some of the photos referred to. Do not view if you can’t emotionally handle 3 pictures of rape. This Iraqi woman and another were shown in pictures at Salon a couple of years ago and are in the SBS documentary from 2006. Larisa from Rawstory has mentioned them, too. She had one at her site last week, but took it down. She mentioned that she had seen the pictures a couple of years ago and they made her vomit.
It is a lie that with holding any pictures is to avoid inflaming the people. Who in their right mind thinks that rape of prisoners has been a secret in the Middle East?
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” Iman Khamas, head of the International Occupation Watch Center, a non-governmental organisation which gathers information on human rights abuses under coalition rule, said one former detainee had recounted the alleged rape of her cellmate in Abu Ghraib.
According to Khamas, the prisoner said her cellmate had been rendered unconscious for 48 hours. “She claimed she had been raped 17 times in one day by Iraqi police in the presence of American soldiers.”
Mohammed Daham al-Mohammed said the Iraqi group he heads, the Union of Detainees and Prisoners, had been told of a mother of four, arrested in December, who killed herself after being raped by US guards in front of her husband at Abu Ghraib.
One former male prisoner, Amer Abu Durayid, 30, who was released from Abu Ghraib on May 13, told AFP he had seen women being taken into a room. “They had to pass in front of our tent and cried out, ‘Find a way to kill us’” he said.
Khamas, Mohammed and Hoda Nuaimi, a politics professor at Baghdad University, all separately said that three young rural women from the Sunni Muslim region of Al-Anbar, west of Baghdad, had been killed by their families after coming out of Abu Ghraib pregnant.
Nuaimi said that in the case of another such woman, who was four months pregnant, her brother had been reluctant to kill his sister because he considered her a victim.
“He was extremely disturbed and went to see a tribal sheikh, who forbade him to kill her,” Nuaimi said, while admitting that she did not know what had happened to the woman. “
http://www.middle-east-online……/?id=10096
http://www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm
Well, blue, guess I’ll spend June on those 3 links you gave. The TX/Israel info is very interesting. Wish we could expect a better day in the next Governor, but alas, looks like it will be Hutchison (female clone of GHWB). Idle thought: Were Israeli scientists involved in the genetic modification of seeds now monopolized by Monsanto? IMO, another evil day.
Thought I had found all the Prouty sites; wrong again! Just got started on the Letters… Going to see if I can afford the CDs. I need 3 heads that don’t require sleep. [I’m not wishing for that, though - just in case the Great Gift Giver is listening.]
Got into the NARA site, found Prouty but must spend more time reading instructions as all refs I found were to the JFK Assassination Review Board. Is there a way to get Prouty’s testimony and/or the Board’s findings? Sealed forever, huh? Or another pack of lies…I haven’t gotten to the point in his book that reaches a conclusion, but from the build-up I bet that Review Board got an earful.
For the kajillionth time I find myself thinking: What would America be like now if JFK had lived?
I’d have to research as to Israeli involvement. Guess who started this nightmare? Surprised? No? I didn’t think you would be…’g’. Much different from now as JFK had gone back to the silver standard and was going to dismantle the CIA. No Fed and no CIA..just imagine. Try getting your library to order a CD before you spend any money. I don’t want my links to use up your kid’s inheritance..’g’. I’ll look later re testimony.
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” Food is Power
Rockefeller Foundation funding was the Gene Revolution’s catalyst in 1985 with big aims – to learn if GMO plants were commercially feasible and if so spread them everywhere. It was the “new eugenics” and the culmination of earlier research from the 1930s. It was also based on the idea that human problems can be “solved by genetic and chemical manipulations….as the ultimate means of social control and social engineering.” Foundation scientists sought ways to do it by reducing infinite life complexities to “simple, deterministic and predictive models” under their diabolical scheme – mapping gene structures to “correct social and moral problems including crime, poverty, hunger and political instability.” With the development of essential genetic engineering techniques in 1973, they were on their way.
They’re based on what’s called recombitant DNA (rDNA), and it works by genetically introducing foreign DNA into plants to create genetically modified organisms, but not without risks. London Institute of Science in Society chief biologist, Dr. Mae-Wan Ho, explained the dangers because the process is imprecise. “It is uncontrollable and unreliable, and typically ends up damaging and scrambling the host genome, with entirely unpredictable consequences” that might unleash a deadly unrecallable “Andromeda Strain.” Research continued anyway amidst lies that risks were minimal and a promised future lay ahead. All that mattered were huge potential profits and geopolitical gain so let the good times roll and the chips fall where they may. “
http://www.globalresearch.ca/i…..8;aid=7849
” The American Academy of Environmental Medicine (AAEM) has just issued a call for an immediate moratorium on Genetically Manipulated (GMO) Foods.
In a just-released position paper on GMO foods, the AAEM states that ‘GM foods pose a serious health risk’ and calls for a moratorium on GMO foods. Citing several animal studies, the AAEM concludes ‘there is more than a casual association between GMO foods and adverse health effects’ and that ‘GM foods pose a serious health risk in the areas of toxicology, allergy and immune function, reproductive health, and metabolic, physiologic and genetic health.’ The report is a devastating blow to the multibillion dollar international agribusiness industry, most especially to Monsanto Corporation, the world’s leading purveyor of GMO seeds and related herbicides.
In a press release dated May 19, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine, which describes itself as ‘an international association of physicians and other professionals dedicated to addressing the clinical aspects of environmental health,’ called immediately for the following emergency measures to be taken regarding human consumption of GMO foods:
* A moratorium on GMO food; implementation of immediate long term safety testing and labelling of GMO food.
* Physicians to educate their patients, the medical community and the public to avoid GMO foods.
* Physicians to consider the role of GMO foods in their patients’ disease processes.
* More independent long term scientific studies to begin gathering data to investigate the role of GMO foods on human health. “
http://www.globalresearch.ca/i…..themeId=36
I saw a pic of a cucumber vine from which hung many regular size cucs and one that was the size of a watermelon…yep, GMO seeds. new and improved, doncha know.
There is a really ugly side to that genetic targeting business. It may already be at work in all the ‘aid’ to 3rd world, starving and sick people. goes along with the plan to reduce world population, get rid of the useless eaters (Kissinger’s term) and guarantee that there is sufficient for the elite/elect as their so-god intended. (higest degree of sarcasm intended).
I only wish this matter were ‘tinfoil hat’ .
Uh, Blue, you got a link for that inheritance thing?
You said not long ago that your kid’s inheritance would be in books. I was trying to be funny by saying not to add CDs..that maybe your library might have the ones that interested you from my links. Attempt at being cute was an epic fail..oops.
Not tinfoil hat..
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(2008)
” Beyond humanitarian responses, the cure for what ails the global food system — and an unsteady US farm economy — is not more of the same globalization and genetic gimmickry. That way has left thirty-seven nations with food crises while global grain giant Cargill harvests an 86 percent rise in profits and Monsanto reaps record sales from its herbicides and seeds. For years, corporations have promised farmers that problems would be solved by trade deals and technology — especially GM seeds, which University of Kansas research now suggests reduce food production and the International Assessment of Agricultural Science and Technology for Development says won’t end global hunger. The “market,” at least as defined by agribusiness, isn’t working. We “have a herd of market traders, speculators and financial bandits who have turned wild and constructed a world of inequality and horror,” says Jean Ziegler, the UN’s right-to-food advocate. But try telling that to the Bush Administration or to World Bank president (and former White House trade rep) Robert Zoellick, who’s busy exploiting tragedy to promote trade liberalization. “If ever there is a time to cut distorting agricultural subsidies and open markets for food imports, it must be now,” says Zoellick. “Wait a second,” replies Dani Rodrik, a Harvard political economist who tracks trade policy. “Wouldn’t the removal of these distorting policies raise world prices in agriculture even further?” Yes. World Bank studies confirm that wheat and rice prices will rise if Zoellick gets his way. “
http://www.commondreams.org/ar…..04/25/8523
Aw heck, Blue. I got your joke, but shucks you didn’t get mine. (So now let’s the both of us chuckle.)
I first learned of the sorry sobs that run the World Bank, IMF, and the economic hit men when I read the Confessions of an EHM. An incapacitating plague on all those world ‘leaders’ who make these inhumane decisions! The whole world has become a madhouse. Influence of evil use of TV? Remember in one of Prouty’s books when he was talking about the CIA take-over of the Phillipines (?) they made sure that each village had movies and later TVs.
I didn’t miss your paragraph about the genetic modification of humans to “reduce social unrest” – the non-elite class to be docile slaves. It’s just too horrifying to imagine. My oldest grandchildren just finished their first year in college; I shudder to think what they will experience in their lifetime.
My boat seems to be listing too much, time to shift the ballast ere I drown in these murky waters.
Reminds me of the original ‘Outer Limits’. They were telling us then that TV was going to be a controller of the masses. Remember the beginning of each show? Government control and manipulation disguised as entertainment.
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” There is nothing wrong with your television. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. “
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056777/maindetails
@acquarius and @bluebutterfly — wow, what a rich thread. I did not get a chance to break during work (except to visit book salon at one point) but what a rush to see my diary with 44 comments! Sigh. I don’t often go double digits here.
acquarius — Feb. 7th… and the beginning of each month I google Susan Miller astrology just to seek out good news of her month’s forecast, then I forget what I have read. I had a similar “oh dear” experience when a friend tried to do my chart… one of those cold outer planets, Uranus or Saturn, causing me serious challenge … for decades, mind you. Sigh. Thanksf or your links. I will take a deep breath and brace myself for CIA history soon.
bluebutterfly … thanks for all your info and links, and especially for Alyssa Peterson info who haunts me with her anguish. One more person I will think of when donning my black armband each day. BTW, did you refer to a book you had written in one of your comments or did I misread?
I thank both of you for all the tlc and info on this thread. Great morale lift as well as educational.
@Leen, Thanks for your comment, too, Leen! To add to the horror of abuse, is to have its existence discounted or ignored. I hope there will be catharsis and closure for the victims at some time. I hope they can make it to being “survivors” not “victims” in their own hearts.
Best, libby
What did the military and our government learn from the unnecessary war in Vietnam? Don’t show the Americans photos or coverage of what has taken place in their names. One picture can tell a thousand words
Most Americans are perfectly happy to stay in their bubbles. Most Americans do not want to think about the over one million Iraqi people who have been killed in their names, the 5 million displaced who knows how many Iraqi people have been injured. We don’t count. Hell our MSM will not even show Americans who are injured.
When is the last time Chris Matthews, and those so called progressives Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow have had returning soldiers, injured soldiers on their programs? Last week on all of the above mentioned news programs it was all Burris and Supreme Court Sotomayer. How many times and ways can they say the same thing?
Scant reporting on Iraq, soldiers, etc…scant
Does Paul Rieckhoff and Jon Soltz count? Because they are on these shows fairly often. If it weren’t for these shows, they probably would never have been publicly heard from.
No, not me, although maybe some day. Alyssa was writing at the time of her death. I suspect murder, not suicide. She was Mormon, so amongst other reasons, I doubt she would have committed suicide. Her notebook was beside her..nope..if one wanted the truth out and was going to commit suicide..that book would have been sent to her family, or a friend, first. She was moved to another position outside of the ‘cage’ after only two nights of witnessing torture. Allyssa had a BA in psychology and would have recognised what her own mental state was. She had interrogation training, so likely was horrified to find out that what she learned was the total opposite to what was being done to prisoners. She spoke Arabic and thus she was subjected to hearing tortured men scream that they knew nothing about terrorism. Her speaking out resulted in her being silenced like Tillman was silenced, I think. Two nights of witnessing torture does not make a likely suicide case. It makes for a woman who spoke out against, was writing about it, and likely made the fatal mistake of writing and speaking about her intent to go public, or go to higher ups. Alyssa had no way of knowing that the higher ups had ordered the techniques of torture that she witnessed. She would have thought that it was a case of “a few bad apples’.
Her fellow intelligence officer that she spoke to about her concerns was almost court martialed for not reporting prisoner abuse. Almost? I take that as a threat to keep her mouth closed as to any deviation from the official suicide verdict. Alyssa was complaining about abuse and ended up dead, so why would her fellow officer be in trouble for not complaining? That makes no sense because it was understood that nobody was supposed to report it; just supposed to do it. A simple case of suicide would not have resulted in the stonewalling that the Pentagon engaged in while covering up the circumstances of her death. I wonder if her parents were ever given her notebook?
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” In the late 1990s Peterson became fluent in Dutch before serving an 18-month mission in the Netherlands for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Peterson later graduated from Northern Arizona University in May 2001 with a bachelor of arts degree in psychology. She enlisted in the U.S. Army in July 2001 and excelled in Arabic courses at the Defense Language Institute in Monterrey, California. “
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alyssa_Peterson
http://www.democracynow.org/20…..wer_samuel
” Shortly before the release of her book, “Love My Rifle More Than You”(Love My Rifle More Than You: Young and Female in the US Army New York: Norton and Company Inc.,2005), Williams was nearly court martialed for bearing witness to the mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners and not reporting it.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayla_Williams
Libby, last night I fell asleep watching some old movie. I woke about 5 a.m. to the sounds of one of those TV preachers. I thought I was transported back in time to the mid 1940s…still wallowing in the sensuous details of the Thou Shalt Nots in the OT. Don’t know chapter and verse but he was warning against unnatural copulation with animals and incest within the family. In case his audience didn’t understand the big words he graphically explained in detail. The only change in some 60 years was instead of screaming, frothing, pounding the podium, he spoke in a well modulated voice, smoothly as a parent teaching a child…wily seduction as opposed to the ravings of a madman to which I rebelled as a child.
IMO these graphic word pictures of The Forbidden simply lead the less evolved among us to try them out – just as in the story of Eve and the apple.
At one of the links Bluebutterfly gave above there is a picture of 3 big muscular males holding down the young Iraqi girl while another raped her. It is said that these pics were passed around among the soldiers and that over 200 were confiscated from their baggage when searched as they left Iraq.
IMO there was/is no justification for imprisonment of so many women and children in Iraq. Was it to supply victims for the depraved conduct we see in those pictures? Was it to show to the rest of the world that we can come into your country, bomb it into the stone age, and do these despicable things to your women and children if you dare to defy our authority in your country [and give us control of your oil, resources and water]…
Oh, how I would like to see a bright, sunshiney day when I could be proud of America again.
http://news.aol.com/article/ir…..s%2F501890
torture photos, oil, rape, piles of naked Iraqi prisoners, dogs, leashes. Not proud of my country at this point
http://news.aol.com/article/ir…..s%2F501890
they count but it is not enough. At one point (four years ago or so) Chris Matthews did several shows out of Walter Reed on those who have been injured. We need more exposure,Rachel, Keith, Chris, Ed could do far more (you are aware of this). How many times can we hear about Burris and Sotomayor during four hours of coverage spun different ways.
Get onto a wider perspective, an important perspective instead of going over the same news 20 times during four hours of coverage.
Our Vets deserve this attention, Americans need to know what has been done in their name and with some Americans blessings.
Sadly, one of the few good things that Don Imus did during his TV tenure was that he kept coming back to veteran issues (the other good thing was his cancer camp for kids. It’s probably heresy here to say that Don Imus ever did a good thing,but such is life. IMHO, we are all capable of great good as well as subject to the temptation of great evil, unfortunately.)
I heard Imus focus on some important issues. The guy was definitely all bad by any means.
Blue, thanks for thinking beyond the obvious tale as fed us. I agree with your view of Alyssa Petersen’s death. It goes right along with all the deceit and lies used by Bush/Cheney/Rummy to scare us into allowing the invasion of Iraq and the blatant lies they tried in the Tillman death.
Libby, for his own reasons Blue does not write diaries. I’d appreciate it if you would research his viewpoint and references he gives here and write a diary of your findings. It deserves expertise which I lack.
The guy was definitely NOT all bad. Sorry
A five page report that will convince you that yes, the military does use the suicide label to cover up murder.
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” U.S. Military Keeping Secrets About Female Soldiers’ ‘Suicides’?
By Col. Ann Wright
Since I posted on April 28 the article “Is There an Army Cover Up of the Rape and Murder of Women Soldiers,” the deaths of two more U.S. Army women in Iraq and Afghanistan have been listed as suicides—the Sept. 28, 2007, death of 30-year-old Spc. Ciara Durkin and the Feb. 22, 2008, death of 25-year-old Spc. Keisha Morgan. Both “suicides” are disputed by the families of the women.
From 2003 until August 2008, the deaths of 13 Army women and one Navy woman in Iraq and Afghanistan (including Kuwait and Bahrain) have been classified as suicides (numbers confirmed with various media sources):
2008—Spc. Keisha Morgan (Taji, Iraq)
2007—Spc. Ciara Durkin (Bagram, Afghanistan), Capt. (medical doctor) Roselle Hoffmaster (Kirkik, Iraq)
2006—Pfc. Tina Priest (Taji, Iraq), Pfc. Amy Duerkson (Taji, Iraq), Sgt. Denise Lannaman (Kuwait), Sgt. Jeannette Dunn (Taji, Iraq), Maj. Gloria Davis (Baghdad).
2005—Pvt. Lavena Johnson (Balad, Iraq), 1st Lt. Debra Banaszak (Kuwait), USN MA1 Jennifer Valdivia (Bahrain)
2004—Sgt. Gina Sparks (it is unclear where in Iraq she was injured, but she died in the Fort Polk, La., hospital)
2003—Spc. Alyssa Peterson (Tal Afar, Iraq), Sgt. Melissa Valles (Balad, Iraq)”
http://www.truthdig.com/report….._suicides/
Acquarius..the last time I checked I was still female!
Blue, I’m amazed! Glad to have you as one of us. Write your book, Blue, and alert us to publication date.
Your list of “suicides” @ 56 is alarming. Isn’t there some
rigged‘investigation’ into the high number of suicides among soldiers of Iraq and Afghanistan? Guess it will produce same crapola as the investigation of Abu Ghraib.I am a mother and a grandmother, too. People who know me would not be surprised at your error. Being a typical stereotype female is not something I was ever accused of…quite the contrary since I was just a little girl..trust me on that one..’g’. I suppose that reflects in my writing that you mistook for male? Always I look for the truth behind the official story. I have always been this way. A mistruster of authority because the majority of those who have it abuse it. In grade two, IQ testing put me at a grade nine reading level which was impossible as far as conventional wisdom went. Genes gave me an ability to read rapidly and retain what I read. A built in bullshit detector sends me off to read to find the truth. It is always out there to find. The realist in me just assumes most of what we are told is a lie or a partial truth. Research usually proves me correct.
All numbers given by official sources are rigged. Deaths in Iraq for instance. Counts of deaths IN Iraq are released..they do not release a count of deaths from injuries in Iraq that lead to deaths after transport out of Iraq.
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This is what happened to the first military intelligence person to speak out about abuse at Abu Ghraib. From his experience, I can easily believe that Alyssa was killed to stop her from going public. He had trained at Fort Huachuca same as Alyssa did; he knew proper interrogation techniques. He commented about foreign interrogators. I have suspected that this is the real reason for holding back torture photos. It is because they will identify Israelis etc. who were hired to inflict torture. Hired because they would remain outside of military law, probably. He said they hated Iraqis. By that, I assume the interrogators hired were mainly Jewish. I have seen a picture of a guard at Guantanamo flashing his Israeli tattoo. One prisoner I read about recently mentioned Jewish interrogators from Morocco. Some rendition flights were known to land in Morocco..it fits. Georgie got his Crusade and the Muslim world knows it.
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” In a national TV broadcast exclusive, we spend the hour with Abu Ghraib whistleblower and former Army sergeant, Samuel Provance. From September 2003 to the spring of 2004, Provance ran the top-secret computer network used by Military Intelligence at Abu Ghraib. He was the first intelligence specialist to speak openly about abuse at the prison and is the only Military Intelligence soldier listed as a witness in the Taguba report. Among the abuses he lists is the torture of a sixteen-year-old Iraqi boy in order to make his father talk. After Provance spoke out, the Army stripped him of his security clearance, demoted him and threatened him with ten years in jail.
SAMUEL PROVANCE: Well, they would tell you where they were from or who they worked for, but you really didn’t know if they were telling the truth. You know, the whole place was very mysterious, and you didn’t—you know, somebody could tell you they were from CACI or they were from Titan, but you didn’t know if they were from actually the other or if they might have actually been CIA or FBI or any other. And then there was also the prospect of spies.
AMY GOODMAN: Spies?
SAMUEL PROVANCE: Well, of course. I mean, anytime you’re dealing with intelligence, there’s always the possibility of there being a spy.
AMY GOODMAN: Spy for…?
SAMUEL PROVANCE: Who knows?
AMY GOODMAN: So these guys from CACI or Titan, or how they identified themselves, were interrogators, translators, linguists?
SAMUEL PROVANCE: Right. Some of them were actually foreign. And the one thing I noticed about the majority of the foreign linguists and interpreters were that they hated the Iraqi people. “
http://www.democracynow.org/20…..wer_samuel
This is what happened to the one who sent out the first CD of pictures of Abu Graib. Between Hersh and Rumsfeld revealing his identity, it is a wonder he made it out alive.
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” The New Yorker’s Seymour Hersh originally broke the story and included Darby’s name in the article. Even so, Darby said he retained his anonymity because “no one on base read that magazine.” Everyone would learn of his involvement soon enough, however, thanks to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.
Darby and his platoon were watching a congressional hearing on the mess hall TV when Rumsfeld inadvertently blew the whistle-blower’s cover.
“There are many who did their duty professionally. First Spc. Joseph Darby, who alerted the proper authorities that abuses were occurring,” Rumsfeld said.
“And I was actually less than 10 feet from the TV when Donald Rumsfeld mentioned my name. And the two soldiers I was sitting with, you know, said, ‘We need to leave,’” Darby said. “But it was less than three hours before e-mails and phone calls home, everyone in the unit knew who I was, that I had done it.”
Darby said 90 percent of the soldiers he interacted with said he had done a good thing.
Others said he was a traitor.
In his hometown, the ratio swung the other way. Darby said that only about 10 percent of people supported him.
Threats against his wife and mother drove him and his family from their home in Jenners, Pa. “
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Stor…..038;page=2
Blue, just curious about this: How long did it take for new acquaintances to say to you: “you’re different”. It never failed with me. Took me a long time to admit that individual thinking outside the box was so rare.
Your children and grandchildren are a fortunate group.
I went to your Amy Goodman link and also the link to the ’suicides’. I try to keep reminding myself that there were also people like Maj. Matt Alexander (his cover name), Gen. Mora. [now Gen. Petraes is trying to switch to the ‘good guys’ side - probably hang out Odierno as sole blame taker. IMO Odierno is the rottenest of the rotten, but Petraes is equally liable.]
Can’t put off mowing the lawn any longer. Will check back later.
@Blue, @Leen, @Acquarius,
I am so sobered and gratified at this intense communication. Another work day for me but I want to try to process all that you are sharing, emotional sensibility along with evidence of even further horrors. Blue, was it my naivete assuming Alyssa did commit suicide? Yes. Was not ready for that fresh hell. On the slippery slope of evil and degradation are there boundaries? A culture willing to torture I still assumed would not kill a whistleblower. Asssassinate and cover up. SOP in covert ops, right? I am like decent people dealing with psychopaths. They have such trouble anticipating the amoral recklessness of the psycho even after they have been traumatized by their previous behavior from the decent people’s own conditioning of moral behavior.
Also, decades ago, when I was receiving emails about scores of professional women in Afghanistan committing suicide to escape their life situations I was horrified but too morally lazy and politically naive to delve and become proactive about my “sisters” elsewhere in the world. But I realized that human cruelty, the heart of darkness, can torture someone to actually choose death to escape. Having to witness such a heart of darkness from non-human humans.
Do you know Leen, Blue and Acquarius, that after wearing my black armband for over a week (and admittedly a few times wearing darkish shirts), only one person has asked me about it. And this person is an outspoken liberal.
Either people are not “seeing” it, do not want to invite my issues on it, think I am eccentric and are discussing it among themselves, or think I am simply an odd dresser or combinations of the above. When I donned it I thought I would be called on it a lot at the beginning. I worried about that a bit, being “different” and even “laughed at” but that would have been far less unsettling than no mention. I am a pretty amiable person who enjoys conversation.
Blue, I did assume you were a woman. Your sensibility, emotional depth (sorry fellas), maybe the “connotations of butterfly” (though my brother growing up separated the colors for me into boy and girl colors and blue was his not my crayon because of that – it being a boy’s color!).
Leen, when you step out of denial and look over your shoulder at those left there, everything seems so obvious and it feels so insane why the rest of the world is not with you. I rallied and worked for Obama at the end of his campaign. I had been an inspired populist with Edwards. As Edwards was on TV ending his campaign the mailman knocked on my door with 100 Edwards buttons I had just bought to pass out to fellow New Yorkers who would wear them. So it goes. Anyway, an email acquaintance I met at a serious protest teach-in at NYC was so startlingly cynical about Obama. Told me the “coup” had happened. I wanted to embrace the warm and fuzzy hope, though understood the “brand” talk and the dissonance of campaign rhetoric and behavior. But I think of her often, and feel like she must have felt viewing me as I now view the apologists for Obama. Yes, I will save some hope with him, and the ship of state, like an ocean liner can’t make hairpin turns, but my gut is screaming out that there was koolaid drunk by him and all to get him in there. And that to get in the game as a player, you have to be compromised at the get go.
And the paradigm shift to the classical “human” or “feminine” values will not be respected, partnership and cooperation means nothing to the ego-driven power and competition sensibility. And that is trumping the golden rule, ESPECIALLY among our churchgoing public. But cronyism has so long ago replaced charity and empathy.
I want to post about the military budget. People are losing homes and starving on a continuum all over the world, and the fat war machine has grown exponentially in the US. And we know that money is not going to humanity, don’t we. There is so much evidence out there. And yet denial seems indestructable on a collective level, does it not? But there is that theory of 100 monkeys, when 100 monkeys finally become aware of the truth, it is the tipping point of the whole or at least majority of the monkey nation to embrace reality against the lying status quo. Where are we in terms of our relative number of monkeys at this point?
Acquarius and blue, I have not opened the links yet about the Iraq rapes. I fight my own denial over the levels of misogyny globally, but especially among our citizens, the male bonding over the varying levels of sexualized demonization of women. Not in many decent, decent men. Many have given me hope on this thread. But horrifyingly among more than one would guess, I am guessing. And in a military culture, desensitization to those “other” beings is encouraged. And you would think women risking their lives next to them would shift this situation. Maybe for some. But obviously the violent push back is so disturbing and not being addressed which is more disturbing. The double standard lives on.
You know in NYC, during that Puerto Rican day parade years ago when drunken revelers started to grab and sexually molest women and the cops were angry about some issue of pay, and when the women ran to them and pleaded to them to help them, they DID NOT RESPOND according to their assumed duty. Maybe some did, but most did not. And the horror of those women being attacked with a lethargic police not bothering to explore or help. Their natural morality did not let them put aside their personal issues with the department to save women from harassment, molestation, rape? How sobering was that? I had just walked through that area during the parade area on my way home from work. Escaped being in that horror myself.
Speaking of work, I am back again in a short time. But when I get my “down time” I will have a good but troubling read of all you all have shared.
To be continued. Hope you find this. :)
Thanks. libby
Libby, you express the situation that many of us find ourselves in; how to cope with the mass of information that disproves all we thought was America. First, denial and disbelief; then “can this be true” – if so, how much of it is true? “Surely, we did not do that!”
Then, as we realize the extent of the crime and corruption in so many areas of our government, comes the question of how can so few of us make a difference. I’m stuck here at this stage. All my congresscritters are the worst kind (Bushites). (Cornyn, for example). I donate what I can to the ACLU and like organizations who are fighting to return our country to the rule of law.
It really helps that there is this fine group here at FDL.
Thanks, acquarius. I think of that quote about lighting the candle instead of cursing the darkness. (I think some cursing is also required but yes to keep on communicating!) To be continued! libby
Hmmm..sometimes about 10 seconds after I say something people’s facial expressions make that statement..’g’. Most would say down the road a few months something like you’re unusual, you’re outspoken, you’re not typical, I never met anyone like you, etc. Sometimes it was a compliment and sometimes it was a dig. Never much felt like being in a place where others thought that I should be. My life has not been easy in a large part because I resisted being controlled or threatened by anyone. If I feel strongly about a subject I am like that song..”You can stand me up against the gates of hell and I won’t back down”; especially when defending a person against an unfair attack. Have always sided with the underdog and the oppressed. Too soft hearted I was told endlessly when a kid. Defending myself and others has gotten me into conflict with some powerful people. They think they are all powerful, I think they are garbage humans and tell them so to their faces. You know that creates some heavy tension real quick..’g’.
There is nothing wrong with stepping back. We all have a limit of what we can handle emotionally. If some subjects are too heavy, then some subjects are too heavy. Only you can decide what is right for you at any given time. Most people believed the Alyssa suicide story so why wouldn’t you, too? I think it was murder, but I could be wrong. Becoming aware of the darkness and depravity of some of your fellow citizens is painful emotionally, but it sure is preferable to being one of them.
There are no boundaries for the psychopaths among us. There never has been in human history. One can shine light into darkness; one cannot change darkness.
Do you really want to discuss political stuff with fellow employees? Far safer for you to join a group where others have the same ideals and concerns as you do. Don’t poison the well where you work, so to speak. Politics and religion are the two subjects guaranteed to start arguments. Jobs are too precious right now to risk endangering yours, or to risk creating an uncomfortable environment. Most people like their cozy little bubbles and resent anyone popping them with pin pricks of reality. They can become defensive and angry real quick. Please be cautious.
The double standard is a slow to change one. Power over others is not easily or quickly relinquished by those who have it. The current push by some religious leaders to get women back into their homes and to deny them birth control is a last gasp effort at retaining dominance. Their time is almost past and they are going to fight that fact with increased measures to take away women’s rights. There are still many men who think they are superior to women. The ones who don’t are powerful forces for positive change.
I think that the sacred feminine is alive and well on this planet of ours. Take heart, the shift is happening and it is not going to be stopped.
I don’t know the incident that you mentioned. If cops were present, they should have done their job irregardless of pay issues. Sometimes it seems like common decency is MIA.
Obama is proving to be a disappointment to many. Don’t regret supporting him because he was still the best pick of the candidates that your MSM and the money men allowed to stay in the race. Until your elections are publicly funded this situation will not change. All politicians are beholden to the big business donors who fund their campaigns.
A bit of trivia for you.
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” In Western culture, the practice of assigning pink to an individual gender began in the 1920s. From then until the 1940s, pink was considered appropriate for boys because being related to red it was the more masculine and decided color, while blue was considered appropriate for girls because it was the more delicate and dainty color, or related to the Virgin Mary. Since the 1940s, the societal norm apparently inverted so that pink became appropriate for girls and blue appropriate for boys, a practice that has continued into the 21st century. “
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink
Some good news.
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” NEW YORK – In an important ruling affecting the public’s access to records regarding the cases of Guantánamo detainees, a federal court today denied a government motion to seal unclassified information related to those cases. Judge Thomas F. Hogan of the United States District Court for the District of Columbia, citing a “First Amendment and common law right to access” judicial records, ruled that the government cannot suppress unclassified documents and must seek court approval to seal specific information.
The following can be attributed to Jonathan Hafetz, attorney with the ACLU National Security Project:
“Today’s decision is a victory for transparency. For far too long, the government has succeeded in keeping information about Guantánamo secret, and used secrecy to cover-up illegal detention and abuse. The decision marks an important step towards restoring America’s open court tradition that is essential to both accountability and the rule of law.” “
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/d…..90601.html