http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23450.htm
Bill Moyers describes our unwellness so well:
Those crackpots on the right praying for Obama to die and be sent to hell — they’re the warp and woof of home-grown nuttiness. So is the creature from the Second Amendment who showed up at the President’s rally armed to the teeth. He’s certainly one of us. Red, white, and blue kooks are as American as apple pie and conspiracy theories.
Bill Maher asked me on his show last week if America is still a great nation. I should have said it’s the greatest show on earth. Forget what you learned in civics about the Founding Fathers — we’re the children of Barnum and Bailey, our founding con men. Their freak show was the forerunner of today’s talk radio.
Speaking of which: we’ve posted on our website an essay by the media scholar Henry Giroux. He describes the growing domination of hate radio as one of the crucial elements in a "culture of cruelty" increasingly marked by overt racism, hostility and disdain for others, coupled with a simmering threat of mob violence toward any political figure who believes health care reform is the most vital of safety nets, especially now that the central issue of life and politics is no longer about working to get ahead, but struggling simply to survive.
So here we are, wallowing in our dysfunction. Governed — if you listen to the rabble rousers — by a black nationalist from Kenya smuggled into the United States to kill Sarah Palin’s baby. And yes, I could almost buy their belief that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, only I think he shipped them to Washington, where they’ve been recycled as lobbyists and trained in the alchemy of money laundering, which turns an old-fashioned bribe into a First Amendment right.
Only in a fantasy capital like Washington could Sunday morning talk shows become the high church of conventional wisdom, with partisan shills treated as holy men whose gospel of prosperity always seems to boil down to lower taxes for the rich.
Poor Obama. He came to town preaching the religion of nice. But every time he bows politely, the harder the Republicans kick him.
No one’s ever conquered Washington politics by constantly saying "pretty please" to the guys trying to cut your throat.
Let’s get on with it, Mr. President. We’re up the proverbial creek with spaghetti as our paddle. This health care thing could have been the crossing of the Delaware, the turning point in the next American Revolution — the moment we put the mercenaries to rout, as General Washington did the Hessians at Trenton. We could have stamped our victory "Made in the USA." We could have said to the world, "Look what we did!" And we could have turned to each other and said, "Thank you."
As it is, we’re about to get health care reform that measures human beings only in corporate terms of a cost-benefit analysis. I mean this is topsy-turvy — we should be treating health as a condition, not a commodity.
As we speak, Pfizer, the world’s largest drug maker, has been fined a record $2.3 billion dollars as a civil and criminal — yes, that’s criminal, as in fraud — penalty for promoting prescription drugs with the subtlety of the Russian mafia. It’s the fourth time in a decade Pfizer’s been called on the carpet. And these are the people into whose tender mercies Congress and the White House would deliver us?
Come on, Mr. President. Show us America is more than a circus or a market. Remind us of our greatness as a democracy.



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Thanks, LL.
I listened to that commentary and had some issues with this section:
Yes it’s simple, but by what measure is it accurate? Certainly not as a description of the public option as written into HR 3200 (much less the Senate HELP bill). Too many liberals and progressives have the impression, promoted by HCAN et al., that the public option Moyers describes is what we’ll get if only we can defeat co-ops and triggers. A recipe for resentment, bigtime.
Thanks, ralphbon. I had the same pullback.
About to watch the Pres. with an unhappy heart. But I am glad I am so motivated to fight the corporatist-loving Pres and Congress.
Thanks, Libby. Recommended.
I often wonder what Obama reads and/or pays attention to. Is he blind and deaf to the effect of all his reversals on his campaign promises ??
Moyers has a wide audience of supporters. Obama should watch him every week. I don’t always agree with all Moyers promotes, but do about 95% of the time. (probably should all the time; he’s lots smarter than I am).
Hey acquarius, just talked to a friend on phone who was so excited about Obama’s speech. She said the media was also excited. Feel like I am in an alternate universe or can I judge what he said? I just have lost my capacity to believe what he says. Mr. Middleman. I know some young Dems who think that that center geometric balance makes sense… far left wrong, far right wrong, Obama = middle equal just right and SOOOOOOO reasonble SEEMING, like Goldilocks.
So many thought Obama really had a soft spot for the left, if we would be patient. He just was working “it” for us. But he has no serious sensibility for civil rights for people, the nouveaux upper class that goes through a sophomoric time of inability to identify from whence they came? And “middle class” is what he feels safe talking about. No populist he. I feel sorry for the kids, other than the geometric center ones, who got so enthralled with Obama and find out he is not such a standup guy. Even the way he held himself tonight, felt so insincere to me. But then again, my friend thought he was wonderful. Sigh.
What is the dynamic with Rahm. Is he the handler/real controller? What is the story? Thanks for letting me debrief from the speech.
Moyers really reached that Norma Rae on the table truth to power break out. Maybe it was a good thing he got so betrayed. He came back roaring. No longer two masters.
Evidently I am in an alternate universe,too,libby.
I was underwhelmed by the speech.
It appeared as though Mrs. O was underwhelmed,too,for the most part-judging from HER facial expressions and demeanor.
Hey, Libby. My “Rahm/Cheney” sarcasm is just my ugly side getting out of control. Sorry, but as I see it, Rahm is much stronger than Obama. I don’t trust him.
I did not watch the Obama speech. I’ll watch what he does…
(liars are not real high on my list of admired persons).
Yes, Gitch, they are such a seemingly radiant power couple. But they both looked sour and unhappy. Was that their serious health care faces? And Obama’s eyes looked so dark and angry but not like he was reacting to the truth of what he was saying but delivering a script. It looked like Nancy couldn’t figure out whether to smile or look serious and went back and forth.
I think I need to be on a snarky channel to keep reminding myself that there are so few really standup people in the government right now. And people are literally dying and going bankrupt. And these people are in some kind of insane gridlock and corruption. Was that about the tension of the issue? And Obama seems to be tiptoeing through a mine field, which is sad, when we need someone more intrepid. But there are some. Good news. And there are committed progressives that cut Obama and govt. slack and now are ready to say ENOUGH!!!
I’m with acquarius, now, in terms of not giving Obama’s words air time for hope but my eyes are on the walk he walks, enough of the reassuring talk. I kept thinking you say that now, Obama, and if it gets changed you will have no sense of responsibiity even to acknowledge it. And that is crazymaking. And that is low cred for sure.
I appreciate your sensibility. I realize I now have cynical ears when it comes to BO. And for the corporate media.
Rahm sure was troubling from the get-go. Axelrod and he are an odd couple. Good cop, bad cop? Opposites it seems, though I don’t know much about either from earlier days.
Axelrod..political columnist to political consultant. He had a winning idea up here..why not for America?
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“In 2002, Axelrod was retained by the Liberal Party of Ontario to help Dalton McGuinty and his party to be elected into government in the October 2003 election. Axelrod’s effect on Ontario was heard through the winning Liberal appeal to “working families” and placing an emphasis on positive policy contrasts like canceling corporate tax breaks to fund education and health. “
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Axelrod
Wow, you get 6 degrees of separation in one man, don’t you? He worked for most all of them. And he worked for J Edwards. How can he just dump the populism like that? He looks like just plain folks. $$$$ Thanks for this. He resonates a trustworthiness, the “good cop” …
a chameleon..
The Mad As Hell doctors youtube channel.
http://www.youtube.com/user/ma…..95aol3JIlk
Libby, in my “thinking time” this morning the possibility presented itself that I was being closed-minded about Obama; that in fairness I must watch his speech. I don’t have to hope unrealistically, but I must guard against killing hope – against joining the clamoring crowd who prejudge before all elements of the case are examined.
A thought: Could that expression in his and Michelle’s eyes be fear? Did Big Insurance, Big Hospitals, Big Pharma, etc., remind him of Dealy Plaza?
Will comment again after watching.
Well, Libby, I’ve watched.
conclusion:
Perhaps the expression in Obama’s eyes is the angry frustration we all feel at knowing the limp-spined congress does not exhibit that national character he speaks of.
My earliest recollection of congress’ failure to meet history’s test was when they allowed LBJ to steal from them the investigation of President Kennedy’s assassination by appointment of the Warren Commission, corrupt at the outset for LBJ instructed Warren that the conclusion was to be the lone nut regardless of how the commission had to get to that conclusion.
IMHO, Obama is appealing to a national character which the majority in congress simply do not possess and will not live up to.
I want to hope and believe that Obama will bring the full power of the presidency to bear on this health care issue; to do that he must first recognize that power. [just my perspective, subject to change]
Acquarius, I hear you and thank you. I feel like I have a knee-jerk cynicism and negativity in me about Obama. And yet I see him wading into wars and imperialism. I see him ignoring the acknowledgements and reassurance thatt accountability and regulation will happen and for what morality calls out for re torture. I hear a political pragmatism with him. He treats the wingnuts on the right coming at him, and the people on the left fighting for the country’s soul as in the same category and that is INSULTING. Both groups ideologues.
Maybe he will find a stride and begin to be his own person. But to me he said all things to all people.
And he seems to be playing Lucy and the football especially with the public option. He says let’s not kick the can down the road, but then he does. And the public option is a battered can also as the enablers of shark corporations whittle it down. Hacker’s public option took care of 129 million now the compromise in the present po down to 10 million Americans. And now they say, well, it is not that big a contribution, lets jettison it, those bastards.
And Obama kept talking about a bill. Well, a guy in the audience had a big sign on his lap that said, “What bill?” Maybe not respectful to the Pres, but a real point.
Why can’t Obama and the progressives encourage us who want the purist single payer to make our phone calls and do what we can and listen to our consciences?
One guy on Charlie Rose said that the President last night just kind of voted “present” after listing everything out there and tried to be teacherly but there was a lot of him saying one more time, “Trust me”.
I said on another thread the old joke in Hollywood about how do you say “f*ck you.” …. “Trust me.”
Oh boy, acquarius, I started out pushing to be less cynical. But I want to follow your original advice, “Watch what he does.” When he brought up Kennedy maybe it touched the senators, but it made me shudder because the Kennedy boys did have a populist sensibility and vision for the common good. Obama, Mr. Middleman, has not proven that. He disses those with that vision or rather ignores them as problematic instead of saying I hear you. And his tunnel vision doesn’t seem to expand to the lower classes.
When Obama gave all that money to the banksters, I took a breath and wanted to trust, there is something we all are not seeing and Obama has an ultimate plan. And then those bastards gave each other bonuses instead of passing on the stimulus and no ackonwledgment from obama, a complaint about exec huge salaries and a mention to reduce them, but that got jettisoned really fast.
I wonder why more in the Congress don’t get along. Is it that the Repubs are fighting harder for the corporations than many Dems, aside from Blue Dogs that got scads of money from them. Corporate welfare is not a joke phrase.
Last thing.. obama mentioned health care is cheaper than the war, his 900 billion. Less than a trillion. Wow. And yet all those bases and this bloody Viet Nam Afghanistan. As a woman I hate the Taliban’s oppression of women especially. But the women in Afghanistan want us out. People are dying and our puppet dictator is not a friend of the people. I need to learn more about that from this distance. I also see Obama and the US wading into Israel’s world view and military agenda and that is frightening and wrong-headed and Obama did get a mandate for peace and now that is being dismissed as from the far left ideologues????
Thanks for giving me the stimulus to rally and think out loud
Someone said last night Obama threw out some red meat to all the groups.
David Brooks can’t gush enough about how wonderful it was for the center. And that depresses me. And Brooks announces po is dead.
I am making my calls about HR676.
BB, will watch youtubes tomorrow at work. Don’t have capacity at home. Thank you for this. I am praying for these guys!!!!
Libby, the arguments you relate are what formed my earlier decision not to watch the Obama speech. Can’t argue with a single one of them. I’m struggling to give him one more chance…guess we’ll see.
Wonderful thing about this section of FDL; we can feel free to say it all and learn from each other without fear of excess and personal attacks for our views. The occasional troll is not worthy of notice.
Thanks for this, LL. Unfortunately, as long as P.T. Barnum’s favorite demographic is so numerous here, we’re going to remain a circus. I think the reaction to Joe Wilson among his constituents will prove that.
I think I finally get your song reference. I exited stage right from there months ago when attacked by a 911 myth hugger..’g’. For future pain relief, wait and read his speeches first. It is less painful than watching him live. He took a long time to say “more of the same because I’m beholden to those who gave me big donations”.
Speaking of 911..just in time for the anniversary..pictures and photo shop pictures show up on the internet. Will the real KSM please stand up? Oh..wait..he can’t ’cause he’s been dead since Sept 11/02.
Good news on Aafia. The judge let the three lawyers join her case even though she didn’t want them. He also told her that she is not charged with terrorism. Makes me wonder if her court lawyers let her think she was. He also kept the 2 court appointed lawyers who will have a reconciliation meeting to discuss procedure with the 3 new ones on Sept 16th. He also banned the strip search of her before every court appearance. In other words..this judge is protecting her interests. The family interview isn’t English captioned, unfortunately. The interesting thing is that at the end, her son is asked about if he asked to see his mother. He answers that..”they wouldn’t let me”. He answers in perfect unaccented English. So, for the 5 years he was missing, he was definitely with English speakers with no accent.
http://jarretbrachman.net/
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/S…..0Df01.html
http://pkpolitics.com/2009/08/…..gust-2009/
You’re welcome.
“Letter From House Progressives To Obama Demanding Meeting”
http://theplumline.whorunsgov……g-meeting/
“President Barack Obama will summon 16 moderate Democratic senators — and Independent Joe Lieberman — to the White House Thursday at 4:15 pm.
According to ABC’s Jake Tapper, the senators are: “Senators Mark Pryor and Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas, Mark Warner of Virginia, Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Evan Bayh of Indiana, Claire McCaskill of Missouri, Tom Carper of Delaware, Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, Mark Begich of Alaska, Mark Udall and Michael Bennet of Colorado, Ben Nelson of Nebraska, Bill Nelson of Florida, Kay Hagan of North Carolina, Herb Kohl of Wisconsin, and Independent Democrat Joe Lieberman of Connecticut.” “
http://rawstory.com/08/news/20…..ite-house/
WOW!! thanks for the Dr. Aafia Siddiqui news. I’ll go to your links next but wanted to say “thanks” first.
If she is not being charged with being a turrurist, then why has she been in captivity and tortured for 6 plus years? Sounds like this judge may actually be a human and sane.
Yeah, you got the ref to the song right…~~~
Dr. Siddiqui was never charged with terrorism. Not in the years that follow..ie..these ones… 2001..2002..2003..2004..2005..2006..2007..2008..or..2009! There wasn’t ever one concrete piece of evidence against her; just the lies from Mueller and Ashcroft. It is now, and always has been, a lie told by the two just mentioned. Psyops passed on through MSM. Here is the actual indictment. I did not give you the Aafia link. I gave you information from 3-4 different pages rather than 3-4 links. Two of her new lawyers are going to Afghanistan and Pakistan next week on a fact finding mission. On the Aafia page, scroll down to the black area if you want to read the actual pages I’ve referenced.
Did you miss this piece of news at the first link?
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09…..=2&hp
http://justice.gov/opa/pr/2008…..d-765.html
http://www.draafia.org/2009/08…..-at-trial/
Blue, re the pics of KSM. The one in the red checked turban could be the same person as the hairy one in the white T-shirt. The only way I see the resemblance is the left eye, though the smallness compared with the more rounded, dominant right eye is not as pronounced as in the T-shirt.
So, who is the captive in GITMO? FBI squelched report of KSM’s death 9/11/02 for political purposes – would have continued the lie for same big brag propaganda to us. I guess “Captive’s” life depends on his keeping the secret. What if real KSM’s family say these pics are not he??
The story tells of KSM’s wife and one child; “Captive” stated at military tribunal that his 2 sons were captured and tortured. I’ve found no further mention of the wife/widow of KSM.
Re video about Dr. Aafia Siddiqui: I surely wish a translation were provided. I caught a few vital phrases now and then. I agree about the son; he learned English well. I hope those two strong, intelligent women can help him overcome the unforgivable torment visited upon him by those insane captors: Afghans, Paks, and Americans.
I have no idea..but, the real KSM is deceased. Go back to the white T-shirt and the two pictures below that one. Not the same person. White ‘T’ has a pronounced lazy eye for one thing..the two other pictures show a man with two big and normal eyes. One without any forehead lines. “T” and the red checkered are the same man because the forehead lines match. I swear in the one picture we are seeing a fake nose attached to those glasses! ‘T’ is way heavier than those other two pictures, also. ‘T’ comes across as unkempt and ’slow’..the other pictures show a different type of personality, totally.
‘KSM’ and his nephew have not been allowed to see each other at Guantanamo. Of course not..me thinks they would say simultaneously..”Who are you?”. In his tribunal, ‘KSM’ said his kids were tortured and his wife arrested. OK..maybe they were tortured..the children of this man. That does not make him the real KSM. Remember now that KSM was never wanted for 911; only Bojinka. Until Abu Z. fingered him, he was not blamed for 911. Just like bin Laden is not wanted by the FBI for 911. There is no true evidence.
There are lots of videos of interviews with Aafia’s family..not one is translated. Very frustrating.
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“Another curious turn of the screw on this is that al-Qaida’s senior leadership, and the jihadist movement writ large, has kind of thrown KSM under the proverbial bus. He is rarely mentioned in AQ official statements alongside the list of other captive AQ and non-AQ types. “
http://jarretbrachman.net/
Heart wrenching..
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“Video: AAJ News 07/12/09 Ahmed Siddiqui meets his father: (Urdu)”
http://freeaafia.org/multimedi…..-urdu.html
Irrationality and non-empathy reigns.
Thanks, blue. The father must be a monster indeed. The boy does not remember his mother, but had this instant, involuntary reaction to his father. hmmm, beware he who comes bearing flowers and rhetoric.
There is a late update here. After reading up on the International Court of Justice: U.S. has veto power….and the powerful are just shameless enough to utilize it. Seems no bar so low that they can’t and won’t slither under it.
Calling it a night. Ondelette will probably do an update diary on this sad state of affairs. Tonight I have no words to tell the effect this unthinkable story has on me…Dr Aafia and her children…and America. Obama spoke of our ‘national character’; yeah, right.
Sorry..shouldn’t have given that video so late at night..too sad. Sure wish we had a translation. Who knows..maybe Ahmed saw him somewhere during those five years and did not know the man was his father? That scream was not a scream of shyness.
wish it would be to pull the moderates left. but wsa it how to pull the left center? sigh.
classy letter. does it have ANY traction with him? I felt like he gave that committee a crouton instead of a crumb and they should be grateful. With nothing more coming.
Ahmad was 6 or 7 when captured. There are reports of the father battering Dr. Aafia – probably the children, too. Ahmad may have blocked his early years (or had his memory erased by our illustrious ‘experimenters’), but the sight of his abuser broke through it all.
Ashcroft is said to be a fundy fanatic; well he better start hoping for a forgiving God on Judgment Day, if not then it’s into the brimstone pit for him.
Yeah, well, these fundies aren’t followers of Christ’s message. Evil does not worship good or god. Not a god of love, anyways.
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(May 25/04)
“By Kurt Nimmo
nimmo@zianet.com
It’s like a bad movie you’ve watched one too many times. AG Ashcroft and FBI Director Robert Mueller stand before the cameras and tell the people of the United States al-Qaeda is out there lurking. “Credible intelligence from multiple sources indicates that al-Qaeda plans to attempt an attack on the United States in the next few months,” Ashcroft warns.
After 9/11 the FBI issued a global alert for Siddiqui. “Although the FBI has no information indicating this individual is connected to specific terrorist activities, the FBI would like to locate and question this individual,” explained a “Seeking Information” page posted on the FBI’s web site. Siddiqui’s photo and particulars were subsequently broadcast on American TV and radio. She was described as an al-Qaeda operative. Last March it was reported she was arrested on the way to the Karachi airport and interrogated by Pakistani officials.
At first the FBI claimed Pakistan had Siddiqui — and then suddenly they changed their minds. “She is not in custody,” said John Iannarelli, a special agent with the FBI’s national press office, and was “certainly not being interviewed by the FBI … We’re still looking for her.”
On March 30, 2004, more than a year after Siddiqui’s disappearance, the Pakistani newspaper Dawn speculated that she had indeed been detained by authorities and subsequently “handed over to the Americans.”
If Aafia Siddiqui was “handed over to the Americans,” as Dawn claims, why is her face plastered on Ashcroft’s wanted poster? Is there something Ashcroft is not telling us about Siddiqui? Is it possible Siddiqui was released by the Pakistanis and simply disappeared? Or was made to disappear? Nobody knows.
During Ashcroft’s news conference, not a soul asked these questions. But then nobody asks John Ashcroft tough questions, least of all journalists from the corporate media — they want to be invited back and above all keep their jobs. “
http://www.cageprisoners.com/articles.php?id=6387
http://www.wanttoknow.info/min….._sex_abuse
It becomes clearer and clearer than you are living Bush’s third term.
“EXCLUSIVE: CIA Experiments on U.S. Soldiers Linked to Torture Program
A number of new articles highlight evidence of illegal human experimentation on U.S.-held “terrorism” prisoners undergoing torture. The articles follow the release of a “white paper” by Physicians for Human Rights [PHR], Aiding Torture: Health Professionals’ Ethics and Human Rights Violations Demonstrated in the May 2004 Inspector General’s Report.
This article looks at those recent charges, and reveals that experiments by a CIA researcher on human subjects undergoing SERE training went unreported in the legal memos the Bush administration drafted to approve their torture program. It will also connect major military and intelligence figures to the SERE experiments, and tie some of them to major science and “experimental” directorates at the CIA and Special Operations Command. “
http://pubrecord.org/torture/4…..ges-human/
Ray McGovern and Sibel Edmonds were on tonight. The transcripts should be up tomorrow.
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7406#more-7406
Rahm appears to be angry..’g’.
http://www.democraticundergrou…..15;8646446
wow… been following up on Sibel’s story. She is tthe poster woman from healthy accountability. such perseverance is incredible and so honorable.
love McGovern’s articles on ich!!!
I misunderstood what I read..not transcripts..listen or download MP3. McGovern and Edmonds are the true meaning of heroes.
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“POST-SHOW UPDATE AND AUDIO ARCHIVES: Wow. If I say so myself, that was a helluva show. Creepy as hell, on lord knows how many fronts.
Commercial-free archives from tonight’s show are posted below, with thanks to the very busy Ben Burch from WhiteRose Society! The archives of tonight’s Chat Room discussion from during the show, is also posted below. Enjoy ‘em all and pass ‘em on!…”
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7406
hey..you might like this..’g’..
http://www.buzzflash.net/story.php?id=1035517
(Sept 24/02)
“On Sept. 19, Interior Minister Lt. General Moinuddin Haider told a small group of Pakistani journalists that the two children captured on Sept. 11 were Khalid’s. “We are holding them. We are not turning them over to anyone. And we will get Khalid.” Some investigators believe he is right: that with Abu Zubaydah and bin al-Shibh in custody, and the whereabouts of bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri unknown, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed will be the next big get. “
http://theconstantamerican.blo…..qaeda.html
Thanks for the Ray McGovern link, blue. He strengthens my resolve every time I hear/watch/read him. Now, I must see what else you’ve presented us with in those links. I must say, sometimes the meat you serve up is pretty tough chewing. (grin)
blue, this Rahm link doesn’t work for me…”…invalid parameters”.
Thanks, blue. This 9/24/2002 article is probably closer to the truth than stories thereafter. One of the main weapons of the “good guys” as well as the bad’uns appears to be the extreme abuse of children which most starkly reveals the degree of depravity of both ’sides’.
I must search the Frontline archives for that program.
Thanks for the Jeffery Kaye link here at your #37, blue. With all this reverse engineering of common sense, it helps me to go outside and see if the sky is still “up” and the ground still down.
What do you make of the last comment at that article? As for me: can’t afford to ignore it but don’t want to accept it. Probably some truth there.
thanks, BB, you certainly do see it all!!! :)
the same. i blamed my computer. hey acquarius, love your comments!
Hey Gang, scarecrow has a masterpiece in his diary, “Slouching Toward 9/11″. Lots and lots of good comments there, including a gem by YT (heh,heh).
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Hey Libby, this has been my theme song for quite some years now; picture old haggus in tinfoil sunbonnet on the wagon seat..
For some reason that happens frequently when linking to DU. That is why I rarely do. If my link to the front page fails..go to democraticunderground and click on ‘Photos-Hell Even I’m Scared’.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/
I try..’g’. By the way, I checked..you and acquarius each have 100 goggle pages.
Yes..more truth happens in the media before the psyops kicks in. First impressions are often correct.
I can tell you..it is believable. We are electrical creatures..not difficult to mess with us. That’s why the focus on microwave weapons and ones that make people ill through sound. These weapons they call crowd control..they are already on your streets.
Ugh..I swear I smelled it..vivid description..’g’.
The sky is up, but it is full of chemtrails. Around the world for about 15 years governments have been filling the skies with bad stuff. The only two governments that have admitted it are the UK and Germany. Admitted..but won’t stop. I created a bit of ‘fun’ a couple of years ago when I phoned our local airport and demanded to know who owns those silver planes that keep dumping ’shit’ on our heads. Oh, my, I had to give up the conversation because I and my question were not appreciated. I was told in no uncertain terms that it was none of my business. I resisted saying what I thought about that; had visions of uniforms showing up at my door.
Look up..a contrail from a plane disappears within a minute or two. Chemtrails form weird clouds. Trust me..they won’t be hard to spot.
http://www.synchronium.com/Fil…..trails.htm
http://www.geocities.com/canadianchemtrails/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C…..acy_theory
Yeah blue, I’m high voltage – can’t wear a battery watch and TV changes channels when I walk past. And, sometime ago I developed a deep pain in my left ear and outer ear (never in the right one). Tried this and that, considered this diagnosis and that. After months I figured it out: I hold the cell phone to left ear (now 6 inches away). hmmm, wonder what all this computing is doing to my head?? (heh,heh)
Those trolls just keep popping up, eh? Disinformation is their game. Reminds me of someone else who hyjacks around here ‘g’. The truth of 911 occurred on the first day before the psyops took control. I’ll bet that you and libbyliberal couldn’t guess in a 100 years who the first person was who wrote a column saying that 911 had to an inside job. I was surprised and not much surprises me. Give me your best guess and I’ll give you the answer later.
I, too kill watches. Had one tv who couldn’t handle me. It went to the repair shop for a diagnosis on why it changed channels and turned off. I have a track record..witnessed by others..on streetlights, too; the pre florescent ones. I wish I could tell you some other interesting things..too public here.
Keep that cell phone away from your head. Too many studies are showing they are dangerous. You wouldn’t know that from your MSM aka Media Smoke and Mirrors.
Seymour Hersh?
“The transcript of the above-described 9/10/09 conversation between Brad Friedman and 27-year CIA analyst Ray McGovern on the Mike Malloy Show, follows below…
BRAD FRIEDMAN: Was it appropriate, in your opinion, for Panetta to try to block this lawful investigation into torture by Eric Holder’s investigation. Is that the appropriate thing for a CIA Director to do?
RAY MCGOVERN: Well, you and I know that it’s not appropriate if he’s Director. If he sees his role as the agency’s lawyer — which apparently he does — then there’s nothing unlawful about him pleading their special causes. The stakes are very high here. His main advisers and his senior staff are libel for prosecution for war crimes. The War Crimes statute includes very severe penalties, including capitol punishment…
BF: Yeah…
RM: … for those who, if under their custody, detainees die. And we know that at least a hundred have, so this is big stakes here.
And let me just leave you with this thought, and that is that I think Panetta, and to a degree President Obama, are afraid — I never thought I’d hear myself saying this — I think they’re afraid of the CIA.
And you look in history…look to the incredible book written recently by Jim Douglass, JFK and the Unspeakable. “
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7408#more-7408
Nope..someone who is deceased.
Thanks to whomever..figures that I wouldn’t think of doing that..’g’..
McNeil? Huntly? naw, not Brinkly. Murrah (I think he died b4 9/11. Not Bob Sheiffer…
“So far scheduled for tonight…
* JOHN FARMER, senior counsel to the 9/11 Commission, author of The Ground Truth: The Untold Story of America Under Attack on 9/11.
* Plus, remembering 9/11, all we’ve lost since that day, your calls at 877-520-1150, and whatever else may come up along the way…
Malloy’s show is nationally syndicated on a number of air affiliates around the country, also on Sirius Ch. 146 & XM Ch. 167. You may also listen online to the free LIVE audio streams here or here!
Click here to jump into our LIVE Chat Room during the show, hosted by “Agent 99″! Or just see below!… “
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7409#more-7409
and with good reason. The death squads were very efficient, and they don’t go out of business with regime change. [have you watched “The Men Who Killed Kennedy”? 9 parts on YouTube of series aired on History Channel. The best part is The Final Chapter. I’ll get that link for you. Being a native born inhabitant of that state, it doesn’t surprise me. Nearly everyone I knew back in ‘63 said then that LBJ did it.
Read the book, blue, and it started me down a long trail to find out more…very ugly.
It’s now 7:30 PM CST here; think the Malloy Show begins here at 8:00 PM CST. [If I’m gutsy enough I’d like to ask: “Did the 9/11 Commission have orders from Cheney what the final conclusions were to be from the outset?”] I believe they did, just like the Warren Commission did.
Zero use for Lee Hamilton or Jim Baker III.
Thanks for the “heads up”.
Well..it sure wasn’t this guy.
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http://cuban-exile.com/photo/j…..mndc01.jpg
http://cuban-exile.com/photo/j…..mndc01.jpg
At the time, everybody knew where at least one shot came from. The three tramps aka CIA are in the second picture.
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http://cuban-exile.com/photo/j…..mndc01.jpg
http://cuban-exile.com/photo/j…..mndc08.jpg
” * The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission (Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton) now admit that the Commission largely operated based upon political considerations
* The co-chairs also said that the CIA (and likely the White House) “obstructed our investigation”
* Indeed, they said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements, yet didn’t bother to tell the American people (free subscription required)
* 9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only “the first draft” of history
* 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . .”
* 9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said “We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting”
* Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: “It is a national scandal”; “This investigation is now compromised”; and “One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up”
* 9/11 Commissioner John Lehman said that “We purposely put together a staff that had – in a way – conflicts of interest”
* The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) – who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry – said “At some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened”. He also said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.” “
http://georgewashington2.blogs…..on-to.html
Here’s the link to the YouTube,The Guilty Men. This is a forbidden DVD so will probably be scrubbed by the still powerful LBJ bunch.
Blue, tuned in on the Malloy Show at the point that Farmer was saying that the 911 Commission essentially got it right in their report. I listened for a while to more hogwash, then couldn’t take any more. That’s one book I won’t waste my money on.
Now I’ll go to your Geo Washington link at 71.
Blue, at your geowashington link, I found this link to a fine satire on the various commissions. Love it!!! and the comments are equally good.
WTF?
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“Only the very naive would dispute that an agreement not to tell the truth is an agreement to lie. Farmer’s contention is that the government agreed to create a phony official version of events to cover-up the real story behind 9/11.
The publisher of the book, Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, states that, “Farmer builds the inescapably convincing case that the official version not only is almost entirely untrue but serves to create a false impression of order and security.”
Make no mistake, Farmer is not saying that 9/11 was an inside job, however, Farmer’s testimony, along with that of his fellow 9/11 Commission members, conclusively demonstrates that, whatever really happened on 9/11, the official story as told to the public on the day and that which remains the authorities’ version of events today, is a lie – according to the very people who were tasked by the government to investigate it. This is a fact that no debunker or government apologist can ever legitimately deny. “
http://joerobertson.com/newsto…..nse-on-911
lol! Turley was spot on target, as usual. Back to JFK..ever see this set of film clips? Just a few seconds into this one and we are reminded that the car was almost stopped and all of the agents were on the car behind JFK’s when he was shot.
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“Constitutional expert Jonathan Turley has also expressed confidence in the process:
The 9/11 Commission was a commission that was really made for Washington – a commission composed of political appointees of both parties that ran interference for those parties – a commission that insisted at the beginning it would not impose blame on individuals. So it’s the ideal Washington commission – a commission that would investigate without any repercussions. “
http://georgewashington2.blogs…..on-to.html
http://www.myfoxdfw.com/subind…../jfk_video
I have to leave for a bit; so here it is..drum roll…Bob Novak. Surprised?
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http://www.petersnewyork.com/NOVAK.html
http://www.petersnewyork.com/HARDCOPYPHOTOS.html
Never would have guessed!! And the photo of the newspaper article is great. The last para telling of the Palestinians (???) dancing in the streets of East Jerusalem ?? Plants, Israelis posing as Palestinians? In NY it was Israelis dancing on the van top as the planes were hitting.
Novak was apparently reporting what persons of reason and intellect figured out…then “they” reeled him in and he stayed in line thereafter (but just to be on the safe side he got the ‘injection’ anyway??) Wearing my new tinfoil fedora.
Maybe..but who knows for sure who, why, and where? Odd that Palestinians would be in E. Jerusalem celebrating and the camera crew just happened to be there. Iran was also accused of the same thing; dancing in the streets. Perhaps some were,,you notice there were few people in the video and they could have been paid. There were few people at the staged pulling down of Sadaama statue, too. The dancing Israeli’s in N.Y who admitted they were there to record the planes..not so much coverage on MSM. Focus was on blaming Pakistan and Iran while Chertoff sends the 5 Israelis safely home.hahaha..keep it shiny. Seriously, I’m sure he was warned off. Dan Rather and his partner soon found that the CIA saw bin Laden in the hospital..soon after..’fake’ Bush documents. His karma for selling out his ethics by lying and saying he saw JFK’s head go forward. His career was made with a lie and it ended with a lie.
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“Palestinian Reaction to 9/11″
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related
http://whatreallyhappened.com/…..aelis.html
At 4:15, the female CNN announcer says that the “Democratic Front For The Liberation Of Palestine” is one group claiming responsibility.
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“9/11 Video Clips Dan Rather Would Rather Not Show You”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0eC3uns3pA
OT..3rd picture down..Aafia’s son with sign.
http://www.draafia.org/2009/09…..fence-day/
blue, I haven’t come to a final conclusion about Dan. Who knows what version of the film(s) he saw? The Zapruder film itself is suspect (one witness reported seeing him standing where he says he was, but he had no camera! and, his film stayed at the Time/Life depository for 5 years, etc..) I’ll hunt the article on the allegations of fakery and post later.
I’m pretty sure you know about David Harold (D.H.) Byrd who owned the TX Book Depository. Well, Zapruder had a garment manufacturing business in that building for some years prior to 1963. [I don’t recognize the article in my bookmarks; will do a search].
Just a quick stop here. I think Dan is one of the best reporters ever. But, I also think he is responsible for much of the cover up of the assassination. Why he said what he said could be as simple as “do it or you are 6 feet under”. All these people involved were, and are, some of the worst of the worst ever on this planet. There is someone else involved that were connected to Zapruder..Bush 1..etc..no time to look as I am dragging my butt. Trying to get ground prepared to lay down some turf; too old for this in the heat, I am. My fall left me with a torn rotator cuff that hurts, hurts, hurts. So, it is going to take me most of today to get this work done..whine, whine, whine. I laughed out loud..”Lady of the Links”. You made my day!!! If this diary closes before I return; I’ll meet you somewhere around the bend and give you the name of the other guy connected with this film.
I also think Dan is one of the bravest men. He knows who he is taking on by pushing his case forward ie the same worst of the worst. In my dreams I could envision him interviewing Sibel Edmonds on national TV. That would be the crowning glory of his career. Bring down the sickos who tried to bring him down. That, too, would be karma fulfilled. Full circle.