http://www.healthcare-now.org/lieberman-gets-another-visit-from-the-grassroots-for-single-payer/
Dr. Margaret Flowers of PNHP:
“As a movement, it’s important for us to continue to educate people that this is not enough, it’s not sufficient, it’s not addressing the problem that we have, it’s not going to be universal or financially sustainable,” said Dr. Margaret Flowers, who is with Physicians for a National Health Program. “And, at this point, it’s important to turn our attention to the Senate. We still have an opportunity at the very least to try and get the Sanders single-payer amendment that would allow states to pass single-payer legislation.”
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/11/23-5
Donna Smith of California Nurses Association:
Time is drawing short for our Senators to hear from us. Debate will begin on November 30 on the current Senate bill. Senator Sanders needs support. He has already told us that he does not expect a win on his amendment. But we are all laying groundwork for this nation to move in the right direction before long – we know that the current bills do not "bend the cost curve" enough and we know they certainly do not bend the death or bankruptcy curve nearly enough to make the bills what this nation needs. Additionally, we want the legislation to contain language that will allow states that opt in to a single-payer system to be able to do so with the appropriate waivers from federal legal provisions which might otherwise present obstacles to doing so.
So, the ask of our Senators – each and every one, liberal, centrist or conservative – is two-fold and urgent:
1. Vote with and for Sanders’ S. 703 substitute amendment; and
2. Support state single-payer enabling language in the final bill.
Support Bernie Sanders’ S 703 amendment. Give the president a call at 1-800-578-4171, and/or call a Senator or more. Four toll-free switchboard numbers for the Senate and House: 1-800-828-0498, 1-866-338-1015, 1-866-220-0044, and 1-800-473-6711. Or email or write. It matters. The more the better.
List of senators:
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
FYI UPDATES
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29795.html
From Carrie Budoff Brown (Politico)
“Absolutely not," said Sen. Sherrod Brown of Ohio, one of the more liberal members of the Democratic Caucus, when asked if he was open to further discussion of the public option. “We’ve compromised four times now.” “Four members of the Senate aren’t going to tell the other 55 what to do on these issues,” he said.
Democrats are expecting multiple Republican amendments on hot-button issues such as medical malpractice, immigration and abortion. The challenge for Reid is finding a way to shield his members from taking politically difficult votes and to prevent the passage of a GOP amendment that could sink the entire deal.
[snip]
The vote Saturday was likely to resurrect interest in the idea of using a “trigger” that would kick in a public plan if states lack enough affordable health care options. That plan has the support of a Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe (R), one of the few GOP senators who might cross party lines to back the bill, though she voted against cloture on Saturday.
Some Democrats – including Obama – have signaled a preference for the trigger to bridge deep divides in the party, Landrieu, too, spoke in favor of the trigger.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29798.html
(Carrie Brown)
Public option proponents, including Sanders and Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), say they have already given up enough. They agreed to forgo a single-payer system. They decided not to push a government plan tied to Medicare rates. And they accepted Reid’s proposal to include the opt-out provision. That’s it, they say.
[snip]
The big player here isn’t Reid or Pelosi but the Catholic Church, which helped get the Stupak amendment into the House bill. Any abortion language may have to win the backing of the church for members to sign on – and the church is sticking by a tough anti-abortion stance that angers many liberals.
[snip]
What’s worse for Democrats is that the House and Senate have starkly different visions of how to pay for reform. The House hates the Senate tax, and the Senate hates the House tax.
Not surprisingly, politics are at play. The House went with a populist soak-the-rich tax on “millionaires” to pay for almost half the near-trillion dollar price-tag in its bill. And bowing to pressure from powerful union backers, Democrats steered clear of any tax on the so-called “Cadillac” plans – high-cost policies that many unions have negotiated for their workers over the years.
Reid relies heavily on taxing the Cadillac plans – but won’t touch a millionaires tax, which was never debated in the Senate.
“So, here we are telling the American people that we’re going to fix health care in America and the way we’re going to pay for the massive government takeover of health care is through cuts in Medicare?” said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) The reductions will almost certainly cut some benefits for seniors, a fact that has become a central opposition argument echoed from Capitol Hill to K Street. The cuts are likely to bump more than half the seniors currently enrolled in the popular Medicare Advantage program. Democrats are keenly aware of the danger in a senior revolt and note that AARP, the nation’s largest seniors’s lobby, would not have endorsed reforms if they hurt seniors.
But there’s another danger to Democrats lurking in the bill – dissent toward the White House deal with the drug-makers. Many Democrats feel PhRMA got off easy by only having to kick in $80 billion in cuts toward health reform. So some liberal Democrats want to change the deal’s terms and force the industry to sell drugs to the federal government at a discount.
http://www.medicareforall.org/pages/hcreform
Information and Explanations about Medicare for All
How does this work? We pool our money together with much less government and no use of health insurance companies for medically-necessary care. Risk of hardships from medical bills is as low as it can be: risk is spread among 308,000,000 people. One public (insurance) agency, the single-payer, collects our money and promptly pays the medical claims for us. There are very little or no additional costs; prescription drugs are negotiated to a lower cost; no one receives a major bill.
Benefits. Medicare for All covers everyone with one health insurance plan that provides all medically-necessary care: Primary care; inpatient care; outpatient care; emergency care; prescription drugs; durable medical equipment; hearing services, long term care; palliative care; podiatric care; mental health services; dentistry; eye care; chiropractic care; substance abuse treatment. The efficiency of one agency and one plan saves over $400 billion/year. Go here for a list of all types of the benefits, not just the medical coverage.
Cost. Most Americans will mainly or only experience the proposed small increase of a few percent in the Medicare tax out of our paychecks. Like the U.S. Congress plan, super-rich persons will pay more.
The Medicare for All cost of health care from payroll checks will be …
— For $50,000 / year of earned income: the total health care payroll tax: $198 per month for health care
— For $12,500 / year of earned income: the total health care payroll tax: $ 49 per month for health care
— If there is only one person in the family with employment income, then that is the total payroll health care cost, since everyone automatically always has full coverage.
— See tax. — See costs and savings for more details.— The state of New York implemented stiff regulations on health insurance companies; the U.S. Congress plans to do that. In Allegany County, one of the poorest counties of New York (NY) state, a family can get insurance for between $2,882 per month and $4,768 per month (from NY website) for partial coverage and added costs. Such huge costs are a result of the regulations
— The Medicare for All health care payroll cost ($49-$198 above) is the primary cost: no major medical bills, little or no co-pays, no deductibles.
http://www.pnhp.org/pnhp-ny/PNHP-Talking-points_Mandate-Plans.pdf
Talking points on the Mandate Plans
Overall –
• The plan is … an insurance industry bailout. Most provisions to expand coverage don’t even go into effect until 2013, after which it still leaves at least 17 million Americans uninsured.
• Private insurers get millions of mandatory new customers and about $600 billion in taxpayer subsidies.
• It forgoes over $400 billion annually in potential savings on overhead and bureaucracy in the health system – enough to cover all 47 million uninsured.
• It makes private health insurance mandatory for middle-income working people, forcing them to buy a defective product. It will become a federal crime to be uninsured, with a penalty of 2.5 percent of income, starting in 2013. … Since the plan institutionalizes different levels of benefits and allows for skimpy plans (e.g. "bronze"), the mandated insurance may not even cover their health needs.
• We will have a nation of underinsured families and businesses who will be paying money they can hardly afford for health plans that will never meet their needs.
• A Medicaid expansion will cover more low-income Americans, but coverage gains – both in Medicaid and for people receiving tax assistance to buy coverage – will be short-lived because the cost is unsustainable.
• Individuals and families with incomes up to 400 percent of poverty ($73,240 for a family of 3) are eligible for skimpy subsidies to buy coverage through a new "insurance exchange." Families of very modest means (200-400 percent of poverty) are still responsible for paying an unaffordable 8-12 percent of their income towards health insurance premiums.
• The plan bans denials of coverage based on pre-existing conditions (starting in 2013) and recissions (retro-active cancellation of coverage) immediately. But insurers are still allowed to deny claims.
• Similarly, caps on out-of-pocket expenses (at $5,000 for individuals and $10,000 for families) don’t prevent medical bankruptcy because they don’t include expenses for uncovered services.
• Insurers are supposed to spend 85 percent of premiums on care, but … insurers are able to circumvent this rule easily by categorizing administrative expenses as "clinical" or "quality improvement."
On Medicaid and community health center expansion
• The plan expands Medicaid after 2013 to additional low-income Americans … lack of funds for Medicaid at the state level, will quickly erode any gains in coverage.
• The plan increases funding for community health centers, which again, is good, but this could be done independently.
• The plan eliminates the Children’s Health Insurance Program in 2014, routing the beneficiaries into Medicaid (under 150 percent of poverty) or into the purchase of private coverage), adding hassle and possibly disrupting care arrangements for these children.
On the public option
• The public plan option is a sham. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the premiums will actually be higher than premiums in the private sector, and fewer than 2 percent of Americans will enroll. So the public plan option will be an expensive, tax-funded subsidy to private health insurance, because the public plan option will take the sickest patients off their hands. It won’t expand coverage or decrease costs.
On the employer-mandate
• Starting in 2013, employers with payrolls over $500,000 are required to provide coverage and pay a share of the premiums (72.5 % for individual, 65% for family coverage) or pay an 8 percent payroll tax.
• Employers are not required to meet benefit standards until 2018, but even then are only required to help fund the "lowest cost plan" that meets the "essential benefits package," and so may offer very skimpy coverage.
• Millions of working Americans will continue to lack coverage. In Hawaii, which has had an employer mandate since the 1970′s, many employers circumvent the requirement by hiring part-time employees or using consultants.
• The plan creates a national insurance exchange, a marketplace where individuals and small business would go (after 2013) to buy insurance. If you have subsidized coverage, you would have to buy your insurance through the exchange. … the exchange will add another layer of bureaucracy to the health system, and an additional 4 percent overhead to every health plan.
• Subsidies for low-income people to purchase coverage will be hopelessly complex, requiring verification of income, citizenship, employer size, etc.
• Millions will have their subsidies change as they change or lose jobs. Imagine finding a job, losing your insurance subsidy, then being laid off your job and applying for a subsidy all within a year. How would this work?
On evidence that this plan won’t reduce the number of uninsured or control costs
• The coverage gains from the plan won’t last. … The subsidies shrink, the Medicaid shrinks, and then you’re back at square one, where you’ve spent a lot of money and not made any progress.
• The Massachusetts plan is the model for this bill. Massachusetts expanded Medicaid (which again, is good, but you don’t need this plan to expand Medicaid) and passed an individual mandate that makes it illegal to refuse to purchase private health insurance. The fine is up to $1,068. The plan has been very expensive. The state has opted to pay for that by taking money from safety net clinics and hospitals, so that safety net providers that care for immigrants, the mentally ill, people with substance abuse, that provide primary care, they’ve seen their funds shrunken, so that money could be handed over to purchase insurance policies.
On the anti-abortion provisions
• The plan applies restrictions to policies sold through the insurance exchange to undermine women’s rights. … So, for the first time, Congress has stepped in and said that even with your own money, with private money, it’s illegal for insurance to cover abortion. It’s a tremendous step backwards for women’s rights.
On prescription drug costs
• It fails to lower drug costs for the majority of Americans and those unable to afford expense medications. Drugmakers have raised wholesale prices on brand name drugs by 9 percent this year alone in anticipation of reform.
• Biotech firms receive a windfall 12 year patent on new drugs.
• A very small share of the population, Medicare recipients who are in the doughnut hole, will receive a discount on brand-name medications.
• The doughnut hole is reduced in size until it is eliminated in 2019.
• Overall, the pharmaceutical industry is thrilled with the bill, and Wall Street has rewarded them by driving up the value of their stocks.
On undocumented immigrants
• Requires verification of citizenship to apply for subsidies for the purchase of insurance. Thus, the plan mandates that non-citizens buy insurance, but leaves it unaffordable for them.
Medicare Advantage Plans
• The plan phases out overpayments to Medicare Advantage plans. It also requires them to spend at least 85 percent of premiums on care, but as shown in states like Massachusetts, insurers can easily circumvent this rule.
Summary of commendable features – some may not make it into final bill
• Medicaid expansion (delayed until 2013) to about 10 million people
• Increased funding for community health centers (to double capacity over time) and other community programs like home visiting programs.
• Increased funding for primary care health professional education
• Phasing out of doughnut hole in Medicare prescription drug plan by 2019 and Medicare Advantage plan overpayments
• Eliminating pre-existing conditions (2013) and recissions (2010)
• Extending health benefit tax benefits available to married couples to domestic partners
• Extending parental coverage to children aged 26-27
• Progressive tax on the wealthy for funding instead of taxing health plans that are comprehensive (so-called "Cadillac" plans)



61 Comments




imo margaret flowers is right on. thanks libby.
Thanks, lib. As I’ve maintained regarding the Weiner vote, I consider the S. 703 effort at best a nice-to-have and at worst a distraction from work that will really make a difference — ie, pushing for state single payer language.
It’s frustrating not to see the major single-payer groups organizing a systematic whip effort for state SP. What specific pressure is Bernie bringing to bear to get such language in the bill, and how can we support that? How screwed up is it that at this late date, neither you nor I, who both scan all the relevant web sites and receive all the relevant action alerts, can’t even get a read on whether Sanders will actually introduce a Kucinich-like amendment and what precisely it will say?
Ideally (though I’m sure not practically), Sanders could threaten to withhold cloture without a vote on the S. 703 amendment and then trade 703 off for a guaranteed vote on state SP. Is that his plan? Is there another plan? Is he building any kind of alliance with a states-rights Republicans of the sort who voted for the Kucinich amendment in committee?
I’m sick of making ineffectual calls begging my senators to support a highly specific but doomed pipe dream plus a nondescript hope for a practical plan that we don’t even really know (Dr. Flowers notwithstanding) takes the form of a specific amendment.
Jane was right — and you know how I hate to say that — to woodshed Kucinich on Democracy Now! for not bringing targeted tactical pressure to bear to keep his amendment alive. It’s happening all over again; we need organizers who can point the way to doing more than flailing to show Pennsylvania and California that we’ve got their backs.
Sorry for venting.
“The powerful chairman of the House Appropriations Committee has a stark message for President Obama about Afghanistan — sending more troops would be a mistake that could “wipe out every initiative we have to rebuild our own economy.”
Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, has requested an additional 40,000 troops. According to Obey, that would bring the cost of the war up to approximately $90 billion a year, or $900 billion over 10 years — virtually the same as the cost of the Democratic health care plan. ”
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rep-david-obey-warns-president-obama-afghanistan-war/story?id=9126805
ralphbon, what specifically would you have liked to see kucinich do to bring “targeted tactical pressure to bear?” serious question, so next time i know what to demand.
Best compendium of the state of HCR in this country I have yet read. Thanks for the education LL. One thing that those of us who would like to have real, intelligent and compassionate change in this country need to internalize: we are not engaged in a fair fight. The corporations and their bought-off congress control the message and the agenda. Change will come only through subverting the system, which is itself a subversion of the Constitution and fair government. The 2010 elections are important because it is our chance to begin to explode the power structure, which at the moment is occupied by the Democratic Establishment. They are as much of a threat to liberal change in this country as the Republicans. We must target the worst of them and bring as many down as we can with our votes and our words and our contributions. These three things are all we have to combat the machine. Some will say that this strategy will result in some Republican gains. I would say that this outcome is a necessary step in reclaiming our country. The Democratic Establishment is not our friend.
libby, thanks for this diary. have you seen this youtube (djfourmoney had it on diary some time ago):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSmfZ1tlj7Y
from september, t. r. reid makes a powerful case for state by state single payer as our solution to get to universal healthcare.
(btw, the mp3 of his entire talk from the commonwealth club is here)
Hi, selise. I’m referring to Jane’s post here, where she asserted that if Kucinich had whipped just 14 other Dems to threaten to block HR 3962 without the ERISA waiver amendment, he could have forced (or at least credibly pressured) Pelosi to keep it in the bill.
Maybe such an effort wouldn’t have worked, but Jane got Kucinich to admit it wasn’t even tried. Instead, we all dissipated our energies with earnest phone calls and emails when we could have backed a more targeted effort to play hardball.
I don’t know enough about procedures to precisely map out a plan, but I want to see the major SP organizations Jane Hamshering the bastards into keeping state SP language alive. Maybe there’s no way to do that; maybe if there were, Jane would be on the case, although it’s a little tiring to see Jane as the sole model of targeted progressive thorn-in-their-side tactics.
Instead, we’re just shotgunning our phone calls and crossing our fingers. That’s part of the process too, and maybe it’s just my mood today, but I’m tired of progressives other than Jane failing to exert Christian Right-strength nasty-ass tactical pressure.
well, i’m pretty pissed off about the hundreds of thousands of dollars that were raised to support cpc member who promised to vote against the house bill and then NOTHING was done (other than perhaps my giving mcgovern a hard time) to hold them accountable for failing to live up to their commitment.
so i don’t see any nasty-ass tactical pressure being brought to bear on any policy issue that matters. worse, i think we just lost a tremendous amount of credibility. none of that is meant to play down in any way all the issues you point out, and probably a hundred more i don’t see.
maybe it’s the weather or something because i’m in a pretty foul mood today too.
p.s. i should have started my reply with “thanks ralphbon” — bad mood or no, there’s no excuse for me not treating allies and co-citizens with respect.
According to this blogger, prohibition of denial of coverage for pre-existing conditions in the Senate bill doesn’t kick in until after 2014 — not 2013.
http://ellenofthetenth.blogspot.com/2009/11/senate-bill-is-out.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433×12603
No disrespect perceived. While I agree with you about the hundreds of thousands of dollars raised for mo-better capitulators, I do give the FDL whip pledge effort credit for the fact that in the House bill at least, co-ops and triggers were the dogs that didn’t bark. (Although as we’ve noted, the delayed implementation and gradual, conditional expansion of the PO constitute de facto triggering.)
lib, you were the voice in the wilderness about single payer ,here,from the get go.
And got roundly trounced for it,too.
Kudos to you for sticking by your guns!
Excellent post. Will link from Corrente Wire.
Unfortunately Obama is pushing the Senate bill,NOT the House bill and thinks these items are the most important:
“They maintained that the bill needed to include a tax on high-end “Cadillac” insurance plans; to pursue “aggressive” tests of payment reforms that will “provide incentives for physicians and hospitals to focus on quality” and provide “care that is better coordinated”; and establish an independent Medicare commission that can continuously develop and implement “new efforts to improve quality and contain costs.”
“As OMB Director Peter Orszag noted in an interview, the Reid bill met all those tests.”
From here Note the lack of any mention about bringing competition to the insurance industry or repealing the anti-trust exemption the insurance industry enjoys.
Great Diary LL; recommended another time.
We don’t want single payer:
-soon unions will take over the American health care system. Imagine these nurses demanding big salaries, doctors upset because we are dictating the rates down. Collective bargaining with medical device manufacturers. Hospitals loosing money. Well we will have a bunch of unions like Nursing Union Federation, Doctors unions etc and they will all threaten to go on strike. Along with these there will be countless numbers of unions in government run health care system. System will be corrupt and will be eventually run by union bosses. Guess what? American health care is on strike!
Sounds scary? look at Liberal California, the tax dollars are not spend for services but funds are drained by unions. In California public sector employees have negotiated $100,000 salary in retirement.
Wake up and say no to Single Payer, we are better of without it.
Hi Bruce
Obama seems to like the senate bill better. However, he doesn’t seem at all concerned about a woman’s choice to control her own body. (I asked this question yesterday, but I couldn’t find the answer, if anyone had one, that is.)
Libby, this is a head’s up on the unaccountable commissions the Reid bill sets up.
You’re a rock LL.
Yep — progressive ideology at work again!
ah, i thought it was just savvy choosing of the def of robust to be so ineffectual as to permit it’s passage rather than drawing an effective, policy driven, line in the sand and sticking to it. i mean, if we didn’t do anything about the others who violated their pledge after taking fdl $$$, why should anyone think we would for the rest of them?
hopefully the number of people thinking like me is few.
From your linked piece:
Bush didn’t claim to be a neocon, and in fact railed against his future neoconservative policies when he was in his first Presidential campaign.
He was anti-nation-building when running for office the first time.
Picked nit. :-)
selise, so gratifying to come back to all these comments today.
I think we need to ramp up the moral outrage with our Congress, and fighting for the rights of states to “opt in” for single payer medicare for all plan is an opportunity for us to rally and focus our communication, though I want the wave of Americans to finally “get” the reality of the present health care sell-out in time by leadership. Dr. Flowers and Calif. Nurses are courageous leaders of this movement. Flowers willing to go to jail more than once. We need such leaders.
I also want to start not only squawking about the injustices within the mandate possible bills to Congress, but to those in my own network to awaken them to the fact that we do not have a Prez and Congress who are worthy of the “public trust”. They have BROKEN that.
Media and our representatives are sadly prostituted to the priority profit making and power and control of the corporations.
Again, it stuns me that President and Congress for the sake of their own job security and financial and power (?) self-aggrandizement can ALLOW conditions that are so critically catastrophic to the point of dying for American citizens.
ralphbon, need to consider all that you say. This is why I was so desperate to get some FDL savvy action on the case for single payer movement if possible.
There is the mobilization umbrella which does strengthen the movement and hooks up the single payer boards which is good.
After reading about the civil disobedience going on now so courageously with the committed single payer medicare for all folk, I am understanding that some of these protests are now individual specific. That so and so is committing a sit-in with supporters of the movement and then staying in jail to protest a cancellation of health care or a treatment, usually life-saving for him or herself or a loved one! It is a whole new dimension of this fight. Deepening it, but also expanding the scope of it to another front line. In the short run distracting from a politically specific goal, but certainly making it not only an ideological but very personal and human being based fight and even more noble. The sanctity of the human being.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch-Congress, the sanctity of the human being … not a priority to the groupthink of corporation-care-taking and payback for all that lobby bribery.
We were Lucy and the footballed with Kucinich/Weiner. Will we be with Sanders? But we need to cover their backs and be heard with their cohorts. And use this opportunity to push hard and loudly and persistently.
God, when you look at the diff in costs at the end of my cut and paste diary above, between monthly single payer medicare for all costs (using NY state), and what the insurance will cost with the supposed “reform” …. (and does now in NY), it is staggering.
BB, thanks. I heard somewhere that 2010 not only holds the horrifying specter of Palin, but also the specter of the ambitious Petraes and Gates. And is Obama serving us all up to their patriarchal, neocon ambitions? Dear God.
And the fact that the money pours out for militarization. Which enables more and more deaths. Status quo machinery of destruction. Inertia. The power of something once in motion to stay in motion, like the military industrial complex, and something to stay at rest once being at rest, like the moral will of our Congress and Prez.
I don’t have a good feeling about Obama’s upcoming Afghan decision.
Obama seems to have overshot being bipartisan and gone straight to Republican partisan, but they won’t let him in, so does he depend on conservative independents now as well as those who have not caught up since the election with reality, that will be frustratingly slow but eventual let’s hope.
Obama’s going to Dover to view the “transfer cases” (no longer called coffins) is not enough. Re health care, Obama and Congress. People are dying. Are you able-to-respond? Resonse=able? Sure doesn’t seem that way.
cb, this is so astute and wise.
This fight is going to be about “tough love” and no longer “enabling” out of civility or cronyism or groupthink. Or assuming that one party is less corrupt than the other. And there will be horrors, as you suggest perhaps. It is like the country hasn’t tragically hit bottom yet in terms of collective consciousness. And the Congress is in some groupthink denial or minimization of their prostitution to the corporate pimps.
I caught just a bit from the next room of some oligarch on Charlie Rose in charge of a hedge fund, I know so little of what a hedge fund is, does it have a director or owner, or what would you call it. Anyway, this guy was saying the recession was not all that bad. Yes, always the ones with fat bank accounts judge reality for all of us on the media. And then I think he said something about outsourcing is wise because of the poor work ethic in America. WHAT??? So these companies go elsewhere to produce — to take advantage of lower wages and fewer protections and desperation of foreign workers with these growing ever-globalizing transnational corporations once American with no national loyalty, and then they turn around and blame the victims as lacking a work ethic. That’s like Obama giving the stoic suck it up speech to the victims after enabling the bonus babies!
selise, good points. where has all that money gone? The $1.5 million a day by the lobbies. The good guy grassroots money? Is there NO honor?
I feel like the American people need to wage a moral and political war on their own Congress and President. And now.
Single Payer medicare for all is a line in the sand but the line is getting washed away and we must not let it get washed away. There is a line in the sand against the Afghan escalation.. and that is about to be washed away. It only gets harder to fight them with the escalation of their amoral steamrolling.
Thanks, Evelyn. When you stop for a millisecond and consider the horror of that situation, the premature deaths to be continued on that score alone, it is stunning.
Yeah, with the late, late kick in, like with credit cards. There is time to stuff the coffers NOW. This should be prevented.
The reason as this diary reveals above that the drug companies made a modest deal at all with Obama was that they had skyrocketed their costs already, anticipating the “reform” efforst upcoming, so they made their profits early so as to have the appearance of sacrifice and cooperation. Hypocrisy with no sacrifice in reality.
hey Gitch, so nice to see you, and what energizing validation. ty! I hope the measure of a person long term will be in the worthiness of the mission and not perhaps sacrifices of dignity along the way! :) But single payer medicare for all … I see as the fiscal and moral answer to our health care needs in this country. It is the sane answer. And money and influence shouldn’t be able to sabotage what would enhance the lives of 300,000 million citizens.
Corporation as “legal personhood” (with all our same legal rights) operates with a psychopathic personality. Ruthless and amoral. We as humans need to rescue the protections from such exploitation that were put in place over the years, beginning with the first constitution. And when you add a perfect storm of human psychopaths from the last regime to the corporate psychopathology the slippery slope to national destruction becomes steeper.
And xenophobia fostered, too, inherent in some people, and enflamed all the more by neocons and exceptional fundamentalists and I am seeing only recently Israel lobby — all since 9/11 and even before… the First Gulf War .. and yeah, back to Viet Nam and communism hysteria, too.
thanks, dc. i am glad there was so much homework done on the mandate plans which needs to be spread around. so many pitfalls and rude ambushes coming up for the citizenry, along with some of the commendable points, but those kicking in so late.
ubetcha, thanks. Meaning Obama for the Senate’s stance to protect the millionaires, billionaires at all costs. (House was willing to tax away to afford their reform). So the unions are hung out to dry with their “supposed” Cadillac plans, and BENEFITS of workers take a huge shot once again. Though Reid willing to garner $5 bill taxing on botox cosmetic surgery.
And the public option, rather than offering competition, will have its premiums hiked up because of its sicker clientele so it will not be embraced and popularized for citizenry, nor be large enough to have any bargaining clout at all.
and what say you about insurance fat cats, like Helmsley of UnitedHealth who gets $57,000 a day salary only to exponentially increase with all the new juicy mandated premiums.
what of the $400,000 money to be saved from the exec comp and from the gratuitous paperwork of insurance vendors, that distracts health care workers from giving real health care attention, and which gives vendors too much power over the crises in our lives doing their impersonal quotas of denying health care for the bottom line?
I wish there was better oversight of our government over the chronic scamming. $250-$500 billion a year for Medicare fraud.
There is fraud and opportunism everywhere. There are citizen fraudsters. There are insider fraudsters. “Everyone does it,” right? Getting over. Nader says organized crime getting more profit now from medicare fraud than from cocaine dealing, especially in FL and CA according to FBI reports. Anyway, not even organized criminals, but EVERYONE. I had an emergency dental emergency once and while I was doubled over in pain, the new emergency doctor told me yada yada yada.. this is our little twist on your insurance policy. And I agreed, like with torture, I would have agreed to anything. I went to another doctor who did the yada yada yada .. and he was so vague, and I kept trying to understand what to do about the insurance. I finally realized he was getting mad at me for being obtuse becaues he didn’t want to have to admit he was scamming my insurance policy and me … and I could pay him of the good reputation or get out, just wanted me to do it. I finally got it and didn’t use him as a doctor. But I so often keep my mouth shut uncomfortably when others brag of scamming and I am not going to anymore.
A cabdrivcer proudly told me how something fell off a building onto his empty cab and what an exorbitant amount he got as the bill was lied about by a crony automotive guy and they split that huge profit. And he is bragging to me a complete stranger how he got over the law. And I enabled by not telling him that was illegal and WRONG. A coworker was in a fender bender as a passenger in a car service and sued the company exorbitantly.
We as citizens need to rise to more honor, too.
Anyway, clearly we see things differently. Thanks, though, for posting.
we can’t not respond to this outrage re abortion issue.
hey lambert. so nice to see you. thanks for this link. What fresh hell is this? The sanctity of the human being is threatened once again!
marco, :) thanks for that.
a future of crappy but expensive healh care … the bronze plan, huh? Farther and farther from the universality. And considering the Rolls Royce plan enjoyed by Congress. and … the cherry-picking capacity of insurers that will tank any public plan with the sickest and most expensive patients. And as said above, the doubling of premium amounts with age. And all this will hit the fan with an election in between. Good grief.
BB, that comparison to LBJ and what Viet Nam did to the “Great Society” … hope Obama heeds it. But those self-aggrandizing status quo-ers.
Not to mention friends like Ralph.
What nonsense do you know that single-payer spend roughly 50% per person on health care and eleiver better results than we do? Are you just ignorant of international statistics? Why don’t you look at the facts that are out there in international statistics and quit you’re BSing, Timgriss.
Great diary libby, and really good conversation, also. WE ned much more of this, and I’m sure you’ll give it to us.
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Lib, This is somewhat off topic,but somewhat salient.
I posted this earlier over at EW on the thread about Blackwater and CIA:
Gitcheegumee November 24th, 2009 at 12:31 pm 50
I always wondered WHO paid the insurance for injuries suffered by employees of wartime contractors?
Well, its seems there is a Defense Base Act that uses tax payer money for certain injuries.
For other injuries ,not covered by DBA, there are just THREE insurance companies underwriting these policies-and contractors MUST have them on their employees. Not surprisingly,AIG is one of the insurance firms. Here’s an excerpt from Propublica:
National Security
Pentagon Study Proposes Overhaul of Defense Base Act to Cover Care for Injured Contractors
by T. Christian Miller, ProPublica – September 15, 2009 6:52 pm EST
WASHINGTON, D.C. – Congress could save as much as $250 million a year through a sweeping overhaul of the controversial U.S. system to care for civilian contractors injured in war zones, according to a new Pentagon study.
In the most extensive review ever of the taxpayer-financed system, the Pentagon suggested that the government could issue its own insurance to cover the skyrocketing costs of medical care and disability pay for injured civilians.
Currently, the U.S. pays more than $400 million annually to AIG and a handful of other carriers to purchase special workers’ compensation insurance policies required for overseas civilian contractors by a law known as the Defense Base Act, the study found.
By cutting out insurance company profits as high as 35 percent, the government could self-insure the contractors for less money, according to a copy of the study obtained by ProPublica [1]. The study is due to be released Friday.
The Pentagon’s suggestion would require a massive legislative revision of the government’s 60-year-old system to care for injured civilians, which has been criticized as expensive and ineffective for modern war zones where civilian contractors account for half the work force.
Under the proposed system, the U.S. would pay directly for medical benefits and disability benefits rather than relying upon private insurance providers. The government would hire an outside firm to administer the claims to avoid the expense of training and hiring examiners.
The report makes clear, however, that such a fundamental change to the system would face a battle from the insurance industry. AIG dominates the market for the insurance, which exploded from an $18 million a year business to more than $400 million per year after civilian contractors flooded into war zones in Iraq and Afghanistan, the report said.
AIG controls about 75 percent of the market, followed by Chicago-based CNA and Bermuda-based ACE Group. Together, the three firms collect 97 percent of all premiums paid by defense contractors for the insurance, the cost of which is reimbursed by the government.————–Propublica
Study Proposes Overhaul of Defense Base Act to Cover Care …Sep 15, 2009 … Congress could save as much as $250 million a year through a sweeping overhaul of the controversial US system to care for civilian …
http://www.propublica.org/…/pentagon-study-proposes-overhaul-of-defense-base-act-915 – Cached
Gitch, my God. There is AIG again front and center. Black hole for bail out money, profiteer for insuring troops. From the enmeshment and cronyism re AIG and Goldman, Goldman didn’t even get a windfall profits tax levied when AIG got its bailout and it immediately paid Goldman back! And AIG with such a massive contract … which no one has talked about. This is such a revelation. Thanks for sharing this. It sure deserves an exploration and serious objection!
And Gitch, the incentive to stay at war since all this profiteering is in place. The whole business is profoundly horrifying in its dimensions.
You know, I may include this complaint in Senate phone calls. TY
lets, those websites you gave me re health care certainly have done their hcr homework on the new bills. We have to spread the word on all the problems inherent.
Can you answer ralphbon’s questions about Bernie’s S703? Not the amendment, but the S703? Will he be allowed to extend that?
lets, 41 was for you.
I am so grateful we have a single payer medicare for all team on FDL, it has so enhanced the communication and the spirit. And we all take turns keeping the conversation up. So my ego enjoyed hearing from Gitch about being brave in the wilderness, I am so not. There is a “base camp” family of single payer folk here and that has made all the difference. And I should have said that farther up the thread. :)
I was thinking of asking the Congressman G. willing to come here and exchange what he suggests about pushing Single Payer Medicare for All in Congress. Wonder if he can help us.
Did you catch what Gitch wrote about AIG. That certainly adds one more questionable colossal expenditures to the health care FIASCO.
Well yeah, that too. Still, as I’ve noted at various times, Jane has done commendable work in protecting the paltry from the venal.
I found the Carrie Budoff Brown description above of the chain of compromise amusing in, you know, a tragic way.
Gee, how many steps did she skip between single payer and Medicare-tied rates (ie, faux robust)? At minimum:
1. Full-frontal Hacker (pre-populated with 130 million members, subsidies for public plan only, etc, etc)
2. Full-frontal Dr. Dean (Medicare-like, available to all, less explicit about other Hacker criteria)
3. Congressional Progressive Caucus June 2009 robustness criteria (Medicare-derived, available to all, but level playing field with private insurers)
Thanks, lets. BTW, I always go through your invaluable posts and discussions, usually long after the threads have already exploded and scrolled off the screen. I generally don’t jump in, for fear of getting sucked into a vortex from which I might not return. I need to adjust blogging and the search for paying work to a healthier ratio.
@40:Vultures are the fattest where the carrion is the most plentiful.
The plot thickens,er,sickens,Lib.
Do you recall a thread by Massaccio on FDL somewhat recently about the latest insurance trend-viaticals-betting on WHEN someone will die?
Guesss who’s the top trader in these instruments -Goldman.
And seems there are some really sure bets when dealing with high risk individuals doing contractee work in war zones…don’t you think?
PLEASE read the thread from September ’09 linked here:
Firedoglake » More Innovation from Wall Street: Securitized ViaticalsSep 6, 2009 … Goldman Sachs has developed a tradable index of life settlements, … The bundling of many life policies is the key to viaticals new …
firedoglake.com/…/more-innovation-from-wall-street-securitized-viaticals/ – Cached
BTW,Lib, Wiki has a very informative entry about Defense Base Act and revisions to it.
Definitely worth a trip there for a look see.
i completely agree. and i really really like the idea of the progressive block, regardless of its success or failure this go around. i think something like it did work re the fisa fight, although not with outside encouragement, on oct 17, 2007 and feb 13, 2008 when progressives in the house sided with the republicans to block their leadership’s bad policies — so, i consider those examples as ready made proof of concepts for the idea. and i hope jane continues to refine and build on her experiences with it.
also, i guess i see the work pnhp is doing is more policy oriented and although i don’t follow as closely as i should, i see other single payer groups doing movement building (even if without much strategy re congress, although it could also reflect divided opinions about strategy — democracy is messy and sometimes what looks like no strategy is too many contradictory strategies, at least that has been my sometimes experience). so, seems to me like everyone is doing something good but missing some other critical pieces. i guess that’s why i was hoping that joining forces, or at least collaborating, would, like a completed puzzle, bring the missing pieces together.
and a pony.
re chain of compromise. also lowering medicare to 55 and including kids. too tragic though, as you note, for me to attempt a comprehensive list.
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Lib, one of the other companies listed as an insurer ,ACE Group , is headed up by a CEO named Evan G. Greenberg.
Evan G. Greenberg is Maurice Greenberg’s son.
You may know him, Maurice, as “Hank” Greenberg- NONE OTHER than former CEO of AIG.
Apparently, it’s ALL in the family.
Gitch, I have read about this hedging thing with the insurance of employees and it stunned me and made my eyes glaze over at the same time. I remember the day I found out the 401K plan was shifted from savings to speculative investment under the control of one’s employer. Wow. What a remarkable and dictatorial decision that was and at that point, not a whimper but I was very much an ostrich. And people wanted the increase in money I guess. But it set off alarms. But who do you talk to? Employees don’t even talk to each other about the money stuff. Bad form. Like an alcoholic family, you don’t whisper the truth of the dysfunctional system. Denial and keep on slogging along.
Anyway, it was a fresh hell among so many. So much continued “rape” of the working class. So much gamesmanship on the part of the big boys to fleece an unregulated system and squeeze every last penny away. industrial strength evil. Anyway, now that I have done my moral rant… will follow up with as I can.
Thanks, Gitch.
and the “family” legacy of evil bottom feeding goes on. Yes, incestuous. I guess once they collude, like organized crime… what am I saying.. it is super-organized crime … anyway, they have crossed the line. No more conscience and morality and empathy. Just hard greedy hearts.. but not hearts.. they are gone.. addictions…. that works.
okay, another moral rant.
AIG …aggggghhhhhhh… I can’t forgive them for taking their spa conventions. If only that were the worst of it, eh?
a pony, …. sigh…… relate.
I keep feeling like we’re in a Frank Capra movie … Mr. Smith… and our little wagons filled with newsletters… going up against the big old machine.
But Capra gave us that “pony” at the end.
I need to communicate myself better with some single payer people I have met along the way outside FDL, too. I mean too but then I let procrastination prevail but there is something to the inspiration that goes back and forth between people on a sacred cause. Also, with all the revelations in the analysis of the bill, can they be communicated widely enough to make a diff? Can the choir reach the non-choir?
take care, my friend.
Well, just as a blogger on todays masaccio post stated -keep em hungry and weak and they can’t fight back.
Well, revolutions are fought by those whose ribs are easily counted…and by the samne tokens,so are labor unions formed.
Ya know,Lib, AIG and Hartford were two of the biggest purveyors of those dead peasant policies.
And the CNA Group of Chicago mentioned in propublica’s excerpt, is owned by Loew’s-the Tisch family ,who is also in oil exploration and drilling. Hartford insurance has an historical connection with them,too.
Wouldn’t it be something if in addition to dead peasant policies that there will be dead soldier policies on the horizon? Or worse yet, maybe there already are?
Gitch — peasant policies… wow.. is that your coinage. It is perfect. The word serf keeps haunting me lately, too.
and the “family” of evil patriarchs…. the dynasty … like with organized crime family… wealthy and privileged …. and all the dirty ripples of devastation far from their consciences.
I hope people get mad enough soon enough to fight back. Fascism, i think one of the methods is keeping the population so distracted by trying to survive they can’t fight back.
The term dead peasant is not my coinage,LOL, I’m not clever enough for that…(((blush))
However, the actual term,Company Owned Life Insurance has an appropriate acronym….COLI !
I am once again going to mention Lucy Komisar and her seminal work on AIG-her site is Komisar Scoop- and her Tax Justice Network.
This is another voice in the wilderness about corporate conceit and dynastic deceits.
I think you would be very impressed with her background and her devotion to the truth.
I understand Ralph. I may have to start doing a little of that myself. Or, at least, begin to generate some book contracts.
Sorry, lib, I can’t answer Ralph’s questions, but I have the feeling that Bernie won’t vote against the bill as long as it has a PO. Don’t know why. If I were him I would long since have announced that I was voting to kill this bill.
Don’t forget, it’s a pretty big team too.
Gitch, I know you have given me gold and look forward to reading Lucy Komisar. I thank you! :)
What an exciting and inspiring thread that was! :) thanks for reminder!
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Hope you had a great holiday!
Here’s a coinkydink re: AIG and Hank Greenberg-dated just yesterday:
AIG and Greenberg agree to settle disputes – 1 day ago
American International Group (AIG) and Hank Greenberg, its former chief executive and chairman, have settled a series of legal disputes that stemmed from Mr …Times Online – 259 related articles »