I just caught a radio interview of Florida Congressman Alan Grayson on Robert Kennedy, Jr.’s "Ring of Fire" Air America program this afternoon.
I was distracted, working on something that required focus, but the things I caught Grayson saying were so penetrating I kept grabbing a pen and jotting them down. I would like to hear the show again, maybe find the podcast, with my full focus, but before his points drift out of my mind or I lose my scribblings or can no longer decipher them, let me share. Keep in mind, this is me paraphrasing his points. So these are not quotes. These are my interpretations!
1) Grayson said citizens and media focus on our personal freedoms and minimize or ignore our CIVIC freedoms. Personal freedom is the freedom, say, to buy a flat screen TV. A civic freedom – say, protection not to be tortured. The citizenry has lost the power to impact civic “policy” and this is worrisome and destructive. Majority of country including the President would like to see universal health care, but can’t even get close to it this year because of moneyed special interests. Where is our civic power?
2) Grayson said Republicans do extensive fear mongering. He said the personal freedoms they are railing on about that they say need protecting right now from government: freedom to lose your home; freedom to lose your job, etc. He said one of the freedoms that FDR spoke of was FREEDOM FROM FEAR. We certainly don’t have that now in America. The Republicans promote fear, not reduce it by protecting citizenry.
3) Grayson was involved with prosecuting war profiteers in Iraq before becoming a Florida Congressperson. He said that the rampant and exploitive privatization have reversed the role of our troops’ responsibilities. He said, for example, that the Army Corps of Engineers no longer has the power or responsibility to build a bridge. They only have the power to make a contract with, say, oh, maybe Halliburton, for THEM to build the bridge. Something is terribly wrong with this picture.
4) Grayson said that many members of Congress are unhappy with what has been happening in America but are intimidated by the bullying media. Fox News, for example, will take a statement, and then twist its meaning, and repeat it over and over over the course of 24 or so hours, and quickly and powerfully do a handy job of damaging a representative’s intent concerning the statement and/or his or her general reputation and political capital.
5) Grayson said that what Wall Street has done to America is use extortion to get its bail-outs. If you don’t rescue us with billions of dollars, your economy will be destroyed was the threat. He claims he has no evidence that the bail-out has avoided a dire domino effect as was claimed by hysteria-mongering banksters. It was a CON GAME. He asks why would bad banks get rewarded and not good banks. Where is the authentic internal logic? If someone fails with a scholarship, they should not be rewarded with more money. The scholarship does not get renewed. Grayson is now fighting to prevent recipients of our bail-out money to distribute bonuses. This is bottom line common sense.
Ps. Grayson quoted Jesse Jackson at one point (I have forgotten the EXACT context) in addressing what Jackson calls "the dispossessed, despised and the damned." Tragic members of the citizen constituency who our representatives, particularly the Republicans in Grayson’s reference (both parties IMO!), find repellent and thus abandon. (How horrifying that they might get help and empathy from their fellow citizenry, their government – my words, now). How refreshing for a representative (Grayson) to give voice to the needs of America’s underclass!!!!
UPDATE: Here is the Ring of Fire podcast. It is the full show on 11-28-09 and the Grayson part with RFK Jr. starts at 55:15 minutes into it.



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Recommended. Thanks, Libby. I’ll search around and see if there is a recording of Grayson’s radio talk. I’m hoping that others of his ilk will gain strength from him, see that it does make a difference when men of strong principle stand up for the Laws we are all supposed to live by. If the Fed gets audited it will be to his credit. I believe (and hope) that if that audit ever takes place it will be the end of the Fed. IMO that day can’t come too soon.
Thanks, acquarius. I am not even sure if it was a repeat broadcast. Need to do some homework. I didn’t know it was Grayson but I kept hoping Bobby K. would use his name since I turned it on mid-interview.
Hey did you catch this:
http://www.truthout.org/1127092
AIG in Kentucky. The article is heart-breaking. “Do no harm!” The Golden Rule. We need to get moral again in this country! Why is there no accountability for these bottom feeders?????
Libby, the Alan Grayson interview will be re-broadcast at 8:00 p.m. EST, Sunday night. At this site, Ring of Fire Radio, is following info in entirety.
http://airamerica.com/ondemand/11-28-2009/rof-11-28-2009-15-04-00/
Here is the Ring of Fire podcast. It is the full show on 11-28-09 and the Grayson part with RFK Jr. starts at 55:15 minutes into it.
If ya got the time, not that long, and worth a listen. I hope my fast recap wasn’t too hyperbolic. I may have attributed stuff to Grayson that RFK said and vice versa.
Next time I will trust technology and not rush to publication! :)
you inspired me to do my homework. just leaving work and had the better tech computer. thanks, acquarius! you are the best!!! :)
Wow, will have to listen to the whole show tomorrow. Looks like a juicy one.
later, my friend.
Isn’t KY Mitch McConnell’s bailiwick? IMO those bloodsuckers in congress from KY and W VA should be tarred and feathered.
You betcha..’g’.
Glad you rushed in, Libby. I didn’t even know RFK jr. had a radio show. Now I’ll remember the times and the link. WOW, Grayson and Greg Palast, too. Libby, don’t hold back nuggets like this; we’re all grown and can do our own hunting, but someone must pass the ball to us – it’s up to us to take it from there. It’s impossible for one person to find all the nuggets on the net, so if we each contribute our best finds (as you have) it cuts out a lot of the trash and time consumed.
Thanks for this big nugget, Libby.
Look at the high rates of poverty in Kentucky.
http://www.kaca.org/PovertyinKentucky/LookupCountyPovertyRates/tabid/423/Default.aspx
Oh my..one that I never gave you a link to. As way of apology, just want to make sure that you know that Palast has a website, too.
http://www.gregpalast.com/
You already know..I should have double checked his recent articles before I made the above comment..yup..I gave you a link to one recently.
You don’t have to remember.
http://ringoffireradio.com/blogengine/archive.aspx
Thinkin’ of slowing down on the job, are ye?? *g* Appreciate it, blue. (what’s that old saying: even a blind hog….heh,heh, joke on myself)
blue, since McConnell is one of the smaller crocodiles lurking at the base of my tree, I looked at wiki to see what county he called home. It’s Jefferson Co Ky (in which lies Louisville where he was raised/school/law school). There’s a story here: In his final semester of law school in 1967 he became a member of 100th Training Unit, US Army Reserve. Also in that same semester (March 1967) he became an intern under Sen. John Sherman Cooper and later an assistant to Sen. Marlow Cook and later a deputy assistant attorney under pres Ford. Now, back to 1967: In July 1967 after induction at Ft Knox, Ky he was released from his active duty military service in August, 1967. [hmmmm, army...right in the heat of VietNam...now how could that have happened? (/s)]
Since all his upbringing and education and ‘military service’ was in Louisville I checked the poverty rate in Jefferson Co: 13.6% as compared to: Knox Co @ 36.2%, Lawrence Co @ 33.4%, Lee Co @ 34.7%, Magoffin @ 35.6%, Martin Co @ 42.2%, Morgan Co @ 30.9%, Owsley Co @ 45.5%, Wolfe Co @ 33.7%….
How can he even show his face in the US Senate?
..finds an acorn once in awhile..had to goggle that one..never heard it before. Did any of your relatives immigrate through Ellis Island? If so, this site will appeal to you. Slow down? Nope, you’d have too much free time..’g’. The video is a two minute book promotion in New Zealand. Keep the sound off as it is annoying. As one of the barely computer literate, this is really interesting to see. I don’t have a clue how they made it.
http://www.ellisisland.org/default.asp?SID=180
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_jyXJTlrH0
He left because he had friends in high places and is gay. Not sure which situation held more sway; probably equal. He has no conscience so why not show his face amongst his peers..ie..the rest of the Senate who also have no conscience? He is surrounded by fellow crooks and liars who don’t give a damn about anything other than their own power, status, and money. Worry about the quality of life amongst the people they are supposed to represent, not so much.
Closet or open? Going by his age I’d opt for closet. Yeah, you’re right, birds of a feather…slipped back to my younger years when the senate was thought to be made up of elder statesmen. Ain’t that a hoot!
No, my Dad’s immigrant paternal ancestor came in mid 1750s Edinburg Sct,and my Mother’s immigrants (both sides) came about 1734, maternal from Sct and paternal from Holland. I love stories and films of Ellis Island, tho, so will enjoy it. NZ is said to be the most democratic country in the world (you probably told me that) so I’ll take notes just in case I ignore my age and hop a cattle boat someday…
I couldn’t get the Ellis Island thing to work. The NZ was fascinating technology but I prefer real slices of life documentaries.
acquarius, thanks. I listen to air america a few times a week. Enjoy Ron Reagan. He often gets the eclectic crowd, sometimes adorers of his dad call in and he handles it well, and diplomatically communicates from the left with grace and intelligence. and I havc never heard anyone debate evolution so well. he’s got the gift especially on that topic. but I appreciate his take on most everything.
robert kennedy jr. and mike papp. are so industrial strength liberal and righteous and well informed it is uplifting to hear them. Great guests and they really GET it!!! Also can catch Rachel in podcast or rerun on the radio.
That, indeed, is the
millionbillion dollar question!BB. It’s almost like big time wrestling now, with Repub and Dems. kabuki engagement for media and gullible constituency. They both got talking points read into Congressional record in House from biotech lobby emails (Roche/Genentech NYT discovered). 22 Repubs and 20 Dems. Ooops. A tad embarrassing but no biggie to media or public. The lobbyists knew enough to finesse the wording of both parties. Gucci loafer life style, Rolls Royce insurance, power and control. fame. just trade in your shiny soul. that’s all it cost.
I skimmed an article I think from ich … about how all reps should be limited to ONE term only, so the susceptibility factor will not enter. No subsequent campaigns, so do what you have to do this term. No bribes. One shot. Do right by your country. Doesn’t mean the right people will get elected, but it is thinking out of the box for sure.
That was just great talk. I was a much more hopeful Grayson fan before he caved on health insurance. Didn’t he sound all stern and forceful at first? We’ve been re-electing talk for too long. Going forward I shall only consider results.
I’m for one 6-year term for all elected federal positions. The gray hairs in the Senate used to mean wisdom, now it means guaranteed graft. A one-term president wouldn’t spend so much time on re-election and wouldn’t be so vulnerable to bribery from the Big Money Bags.
I prefer real, too; just admired the technology of a book come to live thingie. Did you sign in at the top right corner?? Use your real name and e-mail and that’s it. You’ll rarely get any promotional e-mails from them; only a few a year. Wow..your family has been here for a long time. I don’t remember the NZ democratic fact. Who knows..might have sent a link that had the information. A cruse ship would be nice. If you are going to run away, do it in comfort..’g’.
Closet..just like Lindsey Graham and others.
There should be a time limit on appointments. There should be one for judges, too. Judges should not be elected; it makes them more like politicians than what judges should be..that impartial thingie they rarely are. Bring back rule of law instead of having rule of campaign cash. Yeah, good analogy. Wrestling is scripted, but the actions are real. Wrestlers get hurt a lot more than politicians do. They just keep on raking in the money one way or another with no consequences. Then they become lobbyists and screw the American people, again and again. Well..the right people don’t get elected now. At least with term limits you’d get a new crook every set number of years..’g’. No difference between parties, really. Smoke and mirrors every four years to give people the illusion of having some influence in how they will be governed. Americans live in a Republic, not in a Democracy..ie..you cannot recall your president. Politicians use the word democracy all the time. I swear it is done to confuse people into thinking they live in one.
You do not elect your president and vice president by popular vote. In other countries that would be called communism or a dictatorship. A constitutional amendment would fix that state of affairs. Until that happens, kabuki and AIPAC rules.
..re-electing talk..how true..Obama talked, now where is the walk?
grayson is shaping up to be the man, I sure hope he has even higher aspirations, would not mind someone like him in an oval office
yes, I got excited about Grayson, and then got unexcited re health care — where did he go??? — then excited again when I heard his wisdom in this interview, though robert kennedy jr will bring that out of you, too. Sigh. But he does want to audit the Fed and pushed that through, right?
Even with Sanders, doing all my calling for health care to Senate, will Bernie even float his bills or will it be Lucy and the football one more time? Please God. We need some leadership in this country. Some sane and moral leadership. Lots of clay feet!
And is Grayson one of the vast, vast, vast majority of reps beholden to AIPAC?
But I do celebrate the wisdom of his points above.
But there are so few even talking the talk, I was gratified that Grayson could do it.
perris, yeah. when i turned on the radio I didn’t know who rfk jr. was interviewing and then I got a sense it was a congressperson… and I thought… who is this guy? when I heard Grayson’s name i thought, wow, he sounds like a mensch. please… please… let him stay a mensch and call out the truth and put his mandate to serve the citizenry above the gamesmanship of do anything for re-election gamesmanship.
Well said, BB. And there is so much craven “branding” to get elected. Say anything and once in office, don’t even acknowledge that the talking points you seduced your voters with, you are doing the exact opposite on, which is most crazymaking and I would call chillingly amoral. And ride out the good will from your corporate media helped personality here and internationally on the talk you don’t seriously do any more.
And I see people who got out and worked for Obama who feel they were activists and are so not paying attention. Generalized but low-informed cynicism a bit, but still apologists for BO.
That’s interesting. Long enough so that they can take advantage of their learning curve but not desperate for the money for re-election.
Though then there is the seduction for a post-Washington juicy job, too. But there should be a referendum on changing the insanity of our campaign process, that encourages selling out.
Here in NYC, Bloomberg underestimated how angry people were when he decided to manipulate for another term. He thought he would win by a landslide and he won by a tiny margin with an opponent who did not seem to capture the imagination of the voters. Bloomberg and the narcissistic sense of exceptionalism of the top 1 percenters of this country.
Then after spending $200 per voter, Bloomberg denies workers for a new mall is it $10 not $8 an hour. Wow. Let them eat cake. That is depressing. Sounds like the Washington wealthy political elite. I deserve all ya got, but my constituency, no … not so much. Hey, times are tough. Suck it up.
If I hear one more oligarch tell obsequious Charlie Rose the recession is not that serious I will throw up.
Has Charlie EVER rose to the occasion,and actually interviewed anyone?
Gitch, your AIG revelations via Lucy are incredible. Thank you for that source. I am so stunned at the level of graft and cronyism. I posted a quote from the article that deserves so much attention back at the melting umbrella diary.
Thanks for the interesting and timely post.
One thing I think merits a comment. IMO we on the left (in this case you and/or Grayson, hard to be sure from the post) need to be clear on the true meaning of many right-wing claims WRT freedoms or rights. Calling the following statement one of personal freedom is IMO a misstatement:
The freedom to spend or buy is economic freedom. The right has confused much of the population into equating economic freedom with freedom in general, i.e., personal freedom. Economic freedom is useless to those who haven’t the means to exercise it. The freedom to buy a flat screen TV is meaningless to someone who is struggling to pay the rent.
This may seem a trivial issue of semantics, but the right has been very skillful at manipulating language to their advantage. IMO it is important to expose the true meaning of their use of the terms freedom and rights as what they really are, economic freedom and the rights of money (more useful for us than “property rights”). We can thus expose the right as, not the freedom fighters they purport to be, but the entitled (in the original meaning of the term), selfish bastards they are.
Sorry to go on so, and thanks again for the post.
thekomisarscoop.com/2004/11/cooking-the-insurance-books/
Gitch, other diary closed, so I will repeat my comment on material from last article you shared.
Gitch, this stuff is stunning re AIG. The levels of money. The extent of the cronyism and in your face violation of law. Off shore protections … as Lucy said, lot of smoke and no one bothered to hassle to call out the fire. My jaw was on the floor reading the whole thing. I was trying to pick out a passage to quote and it was all so stunning and horrifying.
THIS IS ORGANIZED CRIME.
God bless, Lucy, and this website and its determined and moral reporters. Thanks again. Deep Throat was right. Follow the money. And these bottom feeding takers after fleecing so exponentially evade taxation to boot going off-shore. And so many have colluded to protect them. And the crap about Greenberg really didn’t talk to his son and family about AIG enough to know the level of corruption. What colossal BS!
May, point well taken. In fact as I dashed that diary off before I could forget the meat of it, typing that gave me pause. And when I found the podcast and listened to just the first part I noted that it was RFK using the flat screen tv reference. I think he was trying to be irreverent in terms of citizen consumer priorities as well as making another point. And it was sloppy of me to quote that as the personal freedom as opposed to the civil or civic ones. And yes, economic freedom, determined by how much money one has. So it is not freedom it is a limitation for so many. Though can’t remember if it was Bobby or Grayson who brought up negative freedoms. The freedom to go into debt with your lack of money, etc. Again, not a “freedom” but a stretch to be ironic. As we exchange this I realize the word FREE in FREE market economy has such a positive buzz when it is ironically so contrary to the sensibility of the “common good”. Free Market is anti-freedom and security and anti-law, tragically.
Yes, semantics are important.
I hate the “transfer cases” WaPo expression for coffins. Geeeessh.
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All that is happening in this Country, is the fault of the people. Either they are to dumb to know things, to blind to see them, or uncaring to worry about them.
The Republican fear mongering couldn’t work if it wasn’t fed to weak minded people who fall for it.
Our Government would be forced to act and represent us if we demanded it.
The special interest could not have the power, if we were more powerful.
We have as a country sat back and believed that our voting once in a while, could control our Government and the people in it. That that would ward of people seeking to use their influence on it. We fell into and support the two parties and their system, which we are fed as being our system. We allowed our representative to convince us they are our deciders, and instead of representing us, decide everything for us. We even allowed our Presidents who are our elected leaders, and just our most important hired hand, to act like they are our KINGS.
With a people so unwilling to put any effort out, it is no wonder our Country is run by everyone but us.
I’ll agree with #1.
#2 is a two-way street, or haven’t you heard about the armed right-wing militias preparing a coup?
#3: I agree.
#4: “intimidated by the bullying media”??? What could whuses like that accomplish anyway?
#5: “why would bad banks get rewarded and not good banks”? Seems I heard Cons ask that exact question many times…
Hi lib, thanks for this great piece. I’m late coming to it because I’ve been off doing something else for the past few days. Anyway, I love Grayson’s pronouncements. They really communicate, and you know I agree with you that he’s fallen short on health care. Let’s see if he can prove himself the progressive America really needs in the future.
Very nice statement, Maydaze. Well worth quoting in the future.
Hyperbolic? You, Libby? ;~) Sounds more like me. Your posts sound to me as if they are from the mind of a more deliberative person.
In any case, it’s great that you just jumped in with it, since acquarius was available to find that podcast. Posts don’t exist in isolation, but with their attendant comment threads.
recommended, and soon to be tweeted and facebooked
yes, we are certainly hurtling to a very low “bottom” as they say. 20% of the country, progressives, get it. the right is hysterical but irrational. when will the rest of the country demand our democracy and constitution back?
lets, great to see you. have been busy calling the Senate re Bernie’s S703. SPM4A sites seem to think Sanders may not hang tough. The bill will hurt more than it helps I still maintain, Trojan Horse. And have not heard talk of the amendment S703 for opting in though I am talking that up, too, to senators. What is the buzz???
Karen, thanks so much for coming by! Yeah, I listen with my heart more than head sometimes and can get riled up. Emotional listening, especially to Ring of Fire. But thanks for the vote of confidence, once again. :) Back at ya.
How refreshing to hear Grayson speaking truth to power. Someone at least with more power than I. (But with you tweeting me out there, quite the rush! thanks!) :)