Yves Smith set off a firestorm in her criticism of several progressive groups that have joined forces with Pete Peterson to whip up deficit hysteria. There are three issues that need to be addressed:
- Can a progressive take tainted money and remain progressive?
- Did the Roosevelt Institute (in particular) take tainted money and remain progressive?
- What would a progressive approach to federal budgeting look like?
Let me dispense with the first question rather quickly. Pete Peterson’s money is tainted by his ideology and his mission, however, he has not so far been convicted of felonies. In my view, a progressive can take his money but only on the condition that the money is used to fight his agenda tooth and nail.
Turning to the second question, let us first examine the Roosevelt Institute’s defense of its research and the budget produced on Peterson’s purse strings. Here are two attempts, published at FDL:
[S]tudents from our Campus Network expressed serious interest in proving that their progressive vision for America’s future — originally captured in the Blueprint
for the Millennial America — was not only innovative, but also achievable from a fiscal perspective. With that in mind, our organization, in consultation with our board of directors, agreed that our Campus Network should participate in a program sponsored by the Peterson Foundation to develop a budget plan. Other participating organizations included the Economic Policy Institute (EPI), Center for American Progress (CAP), Bipartisan Policy Center, American Enterprise Institute, and Heritage Foundation. It not only represents the unfiltered and untainted voice of the Millennial generation, it is also a powerful contribution to the current budget debate that can stand up in any forum.Source: http://my.firedoglake.com/rooseveltinstitute/2011/06/06/speaking-truth-to-power/
Our Budget for the Millennial America is based off this vision—a vision that was developed entirely independently of the Peter G. Peterson Foundation. Its contents represent the compromises that our students made in order to produce a coherent proposal. It’s a plan to build the future we want to inherit together; the fact that it reduces debt to 60% by 2035 is secondary.
Source: http://my.firedoglake.com/rooseveltinstitute/2011/06/10/millennial-budget-offers-hope-ideas-for-progressives/
Finally, if one actually goes to the RI’s website to look at the report, here is what one finds:
How can one take seriously the claim that debt reduction was only “secondary”? The homepage for the report prominently features “debt reduction”. One supposes that the title of the first defense (“Speaking Truth to Power”) is meant to be ironic—how is adopting Peterson’s view that debt must be reduced an affront to power? If the title of the report had been “The Roosevelt Institute Soundly Rejects Pete Peterson’s Attempt to Whip Up Deficit Hysteria”, that would be speaking truth to power.
So the answer to the second question is “No”—the RI produced a report that sent Peterson grinning all the way to the bank, as his investment paid off handsomely. He got a nominally progressive organization to endorse the view that producing a budget through to 2035 that shows federal government debt reduction relative to GDP is “progressive”. The RI signed on to the deficit hyperventilator’s agenda. As they say, that is “priceless”.
On to the third question: what would a progressive approach to federal budgeting look like? Here I need to (quickly) address three issues. Because of space constraints I will need to summarize some arguments treated more fully elsewhere (citations provided): a) cyclical deficits created by the global crisis; b) structural deficits (longer term fiscal stance); and c) federal budgeting. (For much more on all these topics, including some blogs by yours truly, please go to: New Economic Perspectives
and to a “primer” at Modern Money Primer.)
With regard to current budget deficits, there is no question that the economic crisis has reduced government tax collections at all levels; at the same time, government spending to deal with the economic calamity wrought by Wall Street rose. No matter what Congress does, the federal budget deficit will not come down significantly until the economy improves—it can try deficit cutting “until it is blue in the face” but that will only make the economy worse, lowering tax revenues and increasing the lines at the unemployment office. You do not have to be a progressive to agree with this—all sensible economists across the political spectrum agree. Even the most conventional analysts would worry about the short-term deficit only once we recover and inflation picks up due to an overheated economy. We are somewhere around 8% of GDP and 15 million jobs, and many years, away from that.
What about longer-term trends? The deficit hysterians like to talk about runaway government spending. First let us look at the past couple of decades—has government spending got out of control?
Recall from your Econ 101 course that the aggregate measure of a nation’s output of goods and services (GDP) is equal to the sum of consumption, private investment, government purchases, and net exports (for the US that is of course negative). We can further divide investment into residential (housing) and nonresidential (investment by firms). Finally, we can divide government spending between federal government and state and local government. The following chart graphs the domestic components of GDP (net imports are left out), indexing each component to 100 in 1990. (This makes the scale easier to show in the graph, and simplifies comparison of growth by component. For example, if consumption spending doubles between 1990 and 2000, its index increases from 100 to 200.)
What we see in this graph is that the slowest growing component over the two decades was federal government spending—it actually did not grow much until the term of President George W. Bush. (A substantial portion of federal government growth since 2000 can be attributed to our multiple wars, as well as to domestic spending on security in the aftermath of 9-11.) This graph certainly does not show that federal government spending has been growing fast.
But there are two blades to the deficit scissors: maybe tax revenue growth has been slow, causing chronically rising deficits? Indeed, many liberals blame “Bush Tax Cuts” for deficit woes. They contrast the post 2000 experience with the “Goldilocks” economy of President Clinton, when budget surpluses were achieved. In their view, the tax cuts for the rich have destroyed the federal government’s ability to raise sufficient revenue—which generates structural budget deficits.
Here is the reality. In the late 1990s (pre-Bush) the growing economy generated rapid growth of federal tax revenue, which reached a growth rate of 10 percent per year (far above government spending, which was growing at about 3 percent per year)—leading to the Clinton surpluses. (For an early, 1999, analysis, see this: Surplus Mania: A Reality Check–sometimes there is no benefit to getting it right!.) In truth, this rapid growth was due to the discovery of the “bubbleicious” pump and dump dot-com economy—it had nothing to do with “fundamentals”. The economy then crashed, and a deficit was restored as government tax receipts plummeted at record, nearly Biblical, rates—beginning an unprecedented four-year fall. Yes, the Bush tax cuts helped, contributing to a 15% annual rate of decline of federal tax revenue. But recovery turned that around—quickly, thanks to the pumping of two other bubbles: real estate and commodities. Bush had rediscovered bubblemania first used by the Clinton troika of Greenspan, Rubin and Summers and then by Paulson, Greenspan, Bernanke and Geithner.
By 2005 federal tax revenue was growing at an historic rate of 15% (over twice as fast as GDP and government spending) in what will be remembered as the biggest speculative boom in human history. Deficits continued to fall rapidly through the real estate, commodities and equity led boom, until the global financial collapse. And that is WITH the Bush tax cuts. In other words, even after the tax cuts for the rich, the federal government’s budget remained biased so that tax receipts grow at a prodigious rate (far above government spending or GDP growth) when the economy is robust. The problem is that this “fiscal drag” always crashes the economy—which crashes tax receipts and causes the budget deficit to grow.
The following graph (produced by Scott Fullwiler) is doubly handy because it shows government balances as well as the balances of the domestic private sector and foreign sector. I will turn to those other balances in a second. Note that we have divided each sectoral balance by GDP (since we are dividing each balance by the same number—GDP—this does not change the relationships; it only “scales” the balances expressing each as a percent of GDP).
A government budget deficit (in red) is shown below zero—and almost all the red is below the line because the government almost always runs a deficit. The domestic private sector, on the other hand, almost always runs a surplus—so there is a lot of blue above the zero line. Finally, we have run large current account deficits on a persistent basis since the Reagan years—shown as green. Because we are viewing this from the perspective of the foreign sector, it is positive (the capital account is positive, so the green is mostly above the line).
This chart shows a “mirror image”: the sum of the government balance plus the domestic private sector balance plus the foreign sector balance must equal zero. For example, the government deficit from 1980 through to the Goldilocks years is the mirror image of the domestic private sector’s surplus plus our current account deficit (the rest of the world runs a positive financial balance against us). During the Clinton years as the government budget moved to surplus, it was the private sector’s deficit that was the mirror image to the government budget surplus plus the current account deficit. (Yep, yet again, yours truly warned about the likely consequences, in 2000—it reads like Nostradamus!: Can The Expansion Be Sustained? A Minskian View. But still no rewards for the wicked. I should have gone into hedge funds management.)
When we collapsed into the Bush recession, the private sector briefly ran a surplus (positive saving) and the government went into a large deficit; as we recovered, the deficit fell and the private sector resumed its spending spree (running big deficits). Finally, the global economic collapse after 2007 saw the return of record post-war government deficits and very large private sector surpluses as households and firms retrenched (trying to pay off debt). (See here: Deficit Hysteria Redux)
So here’s the real deal. For the foreseeable future the US will continue to run current account deficits. You can attribute that either to foreign “mercantilism” (policies to favour trade surpluses) or to American profligacy—it takes two to tango. Now, if the domestic private sector wants to run a surplus (spending less than its income) then by accounting identity the government budget deficit will equal the sum of the capital account surplus (the US current account deficit) and the domestic private sector surplus. Based on trends over the past three decades we can guess that is roughly 3% of GDP for each. By simple arithmetic that should not be beyond the capacity of any policymaker, 3+3=6, implying the overall government budget will be in deficit equal to 6% of GDP. Since state and local governments need to run balanced budgets and except in recession actually do run small surpluses, we are left with a federal budget deficit something above 6% of GDP. It will be lower in booms and higher in slumps; and it will be higher if our current account deficit is larger (as it has been in recent years whenever unemployment fell) and when the private sector wants to save (which it should do in order to de-lever its debt). (See here: http://neweconomicperspectives.blogspot.com/2011/06/mmp-blog-2-responses_23.html)
To be sure, any long term projection must be contingent—it will depend on those factors just enumerated. But anyone who is arguing for government deficit reduction and convergence to some small number (let us say below the Maastricht criteria of a budget deficit equal to 3% of GDP) must tell us what the implied private and foreign balances will look like. If the private sector is going to save 3% (equal to the budget deficit) then we must have a balanced current account—which implies a very large reduction of imports and increase of exports well beyond what any economist is projecting. If we are not going to bring down the current account deficit, then hitting the Maastricht criteria requires that our private sector move somehow from its current surplus that is well above 6% of GDP right down to zero. That is not only implausible, but it is dangerous. The implied implications at fixing a government deficit at a low level must be explored and justified. But that is not what Pete Peterson funds. He wants “research” that fuels the fires of hyperventilating deficit warriors.
Finally, how would a progressive—free of Peterson purse strings–approach the budgeting process? The best recent piece is here: The Case Against Intergenerational Accounting, The Accounting Campaign Against Social Security and Medicare. Full disclosure: I was a co-author but I am not too immodest to recommend it as my fellow authors were James Galbraith and Warren Mosler—two of the very best on the subject of budgets and deficits. I cannot do justice to the argument in a few paragraphs, but here is a quick summary. We first take on the “infinite horizon” forecasts of people like Peterson and David Walker, who calculate tens of trillions of dollars of “unfunded entitlements” due mostly to Medicare. (The RI budgeters obviously take this nonsense at face value, proposing budget fixes to slow down growth of Medicare costs in the distant future.) We discuss how silly it is to make extremely long period forecasts that require assumptions about a distant world that we cannot even imagine. Recall that the Clinton administration projected budget surpluses for 15 years (by identity that would mean destruction of private sector wealth for 15 years); 18 months later we were back to deficits. Deficit warriors carry their nonsense to infinity and beyond. (Our RI friends carried it through to “only” 2035—but how many of us are able to make firms plans about 2035? What odds do you want to place on any bet you are willing to make about events in 2035? President Bristol Palin vs Malia Ann Obama?)
We show how the intergenerational warriors adopt assumptions rigged to guarantee unsustainable trends—and we refer to Herb Stein’s quip that unsustainable trends will not be sustained. No need to worry about a projection that Medicare is going to run up $60 trillion of budget deficits due to health care costs that rise much faster than GDP. It will not happen for the simple reason that all households and firms would be bankrupted long before that (since, after all, they pay the majority of healthcare costs, and if those costs rise faster than GDP and wages and revenues they are, as we might put it in highly technical terms, screwed).
More importantly, we remind readers that government is not like a household or firm. It must take into account the public purpose: its spending mobilizes resources for the public purpose; and its taxes reduce the ability of firms and households to access resources. When our deficit warring Republicans say today that they would never approve a tax increase under any condition, the only reasonable response is a hearty laugh, a reference to WWII, and a two-by-four across the brow. Would these morons have refused to give to the government the resources it needed to conduct the war effort? Would they have opposed war-time taxes, rationing, and forced patriotic savings that by design reduced the flow of resources to the private sector (in order to preserve them for the military)? In war or its moral equivalent (as Jimmy Carter put it), Republicans would not give the government the resources it needs to achieve the public purpose? Then they have no business serving in public office. Throw those bums out; their view is that government exists only to generate rents for Wall Street and other blood sucking vampire squids.
Now, I know that many will smirk when I talk about government serving the public purpose. That is, of course, the progressive’s audacity of hope. But remember, we are talking about a progressive approach to budgeting. Our Austerian friends want to destroy government; I presume that is not the goal of RI.
Deficit hysterians love to attack Social Security, indeed, it is the main target of hedge fund manager Pete Peterson. Let me quote from our paper:
For Social Security and other permanent programs, what matters for long-range projections are demographics, technology, and economic growth. Financing is virtually irrelevant. If by 2083 every U.S. citizen is over age 67, no financing scheme will allow us to meet our commitment to let people retire at a decent living standard at age 67. This, however, is most unlikely. Indeed, all plausible projections of demographic trends show only gradual and moderately rising real burdens on those of normal working age in terms of numbers of dependents (aged plus young) per worker. The Old Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance (OASDI) part of Social Security currently moves less than 4.5 percent of GDP to beneficiaries, and that rises to about 6.5 percent over the next 75 years. On the one hand, this is a significant increase, but on the other hand, similar shifts have occurred in the past without generating economic crisis or intolerable burdens. And it still leaves over 93 percent of GDP outside OASDI.
In other words, we need to look at federal government programs in terms of command over resources; if it is too great, that leaves too little for the private sector; if it is too little we’ve got unemployment. And if we do not reduce private sector income as we increase the government’s command, we will get inflation. That makes it clear that the main issue about government spending concerns its command over resources. The main purpose of taxes from this perspective is to fight inflation—by reducing private competition for the resources. In addition—as discussed above—we need to factor-in private sector desire to save. When that is high, more resources are left idle—to be mobilized by government—but when it is low, there are fewer idle resources. All of this also depends on the foreign sector: if foreigners want to export to the US, pressure on our own resources is thereby reduced. We can simultaneously have more private sector spending and more government spending, without the need to ration resource use by increasing taxes or encouraging saving.
The progressive approach to budgeting is to first identify the public purpose: what do we want government to do. Second we determine whether our society has the resources or can develop our capacity to produce them. Third we examine potential conflicts between the government and the private sectors; that may modify what we expect government to provide, or it might lead to taxes or other policies to reduce private sector demand. And, fourth, we put together a budget to achieve those goals. In that regard let me close with a long quote from our piece that lays out the purpose of budgeting:
The purpose of a program budget is to discipline the program. It is to hold managers accountable and to discourage fraud. This is why specific amounts of funds are appropriated to specific programs. Without budgetary constraints (as well as oversight and other means of exercising control), it is likely that “mission creep” would lead to continual expansion of any particular program. Thus, it is certainly appropriate to hold programs accountable to ensure that they do what they are supposed to do. However, there is little public or government interest in reporting long-range projections of the “fiscal balance” of particular portions of the budget. And while officials in any program should be held accountable after the fact, there is little public purpose and no economic interest served by reporting the resulting, after-the-fact fiscal balance of particular portions of the federal budget. For example, if Congress appropriates $100 billion for a transportation project, those in charge should provide an ex post accounting for all spending. They should explain the reasons for cost overruns and their careers should depend on acceptable performance. However, whether the total tax revenue received from any particular source (e.g., gasoline taxes) equals spending on transportation over some arbitrary period adds nothing to this.
We do understand the desire to provide an ex ante projection of total federal government spending and revenues for coming quarters, or even years. This facilitates analysis of the expected impact of fiscal operations on aggregate demand and thus on economic growth, inflation, and employment. There may also be some interest in disaggregating spending and taxing to match in an ex ante manner transportation-related spending and transportation-related tax receipts. This is not because fuel taxes actually “pay for” transportation spending, but because such a process can perhaps help to discipline the budgeting process by “allocating,” in an ex ante sense, expected revenues among program spending. However, the success of the transportation projects should not be measured by the ex post balance between total spending and total tax receipts related to transportation over the course of a fiscal year or any other arbitrarily chosen period. It might be very poor public policy to cancel a vital transportation project merely because projected fuel tax revenues fall short of expected program spending.
Now that would be a progressive approach to budgeting. And clearly, it would focus on the near term. The RI exercise that budgeted through to 2035 is silly at best. At worst, it plays into Peterson’s hand.
Let us conclude with some comments on the current Washington political game that involves the debt ceiling. It is almost too stupid to deserve comment. As a parent of teenagers, I know that the best way of dealing with stupidity is sometimes to ignore it. But these Bozos in Washington can cause real damage. It is very striking how our Washingtonian fiscal Austerians who are trying to tie up the Treasury’s purse strings never apply the concept of “affordability” or “solvency” to issues of national defence. You want to attack Iraq or Libya? Or Canada? Constitutional issues aside, the funds are always appropriated immediately. We never talk about a war (even one of choice) “bankrupting” the nation. Nor do we submit our defense budget to Beijing on the spurious grounds that they are “funding” our deficits. Nor for that matter does the Pentagon consult with Pimco’s Bill Gross and the other bond market vigilantes before bombing the heck out of some developing nation. Yet somehow, their views become paramount when it comes to a discussion of what the Pete Peterson crowd derisively calls “entitlements”—that is to say government spending that does not flow to the top tenth of one percent of the income distribution where Peterson resides.
Even more absurd are the arbitrary limits we place on spending via Congressionally imposed limitations, such as the debt ceiling. Leaving aside the dubious economics underlying this foolish self-imposed constraint, the debt ceiling does raise issues of Constitutionality. Even one of the President’s (and Wall Street’s) prime deficit warriors, Treasury Secretary Timmy Geithner, appears to understand this. According to accounts from the Huffington Post, Geithner actually cited the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, which stipulates that “The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.” During a Politico-hosted interview on May 25th the Treasury Secretary quoted this passage and noted: “I think there are some people who are pretending not to understand it, who think there’s leverage for them in threatening a default,” he said. “I don’t understand it as a negotiating position. I mean really think about it, you’re going to say that– can I read you the 14th amendment?” [HuffPost]
The economics of this are even more clear than the politics and constitutionality. A sovereign issuer of the currency cannot be forced into involuntary default on its commitments. The reason is simple, and follow on from Bernanke’s statements that the Fed spends by “keystrokes”. If Congress relents in its silliness (or if President Obama asserts his Constitutional authority to spend allocated funds), the Fed and Treasury can coordinate to ensure all payments are made as they come due. They do this by “stroking keys”; all it requires is some electrons judiciously sent to the right balance sheets. At a minimum, RI college students should have been taught that. If they had been, they would have realized that “affordability” is a Pete Peterson red herring.
Time for a progressive approach. If Peterson will not fund it (do not hold your breath), cut the purse strings.
*Thanks to Scott Fullwiler and Marshall Auerbach for comments on early drafts.






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This is awesome Dr. Wray, thanks so much for writing it. I will put it on the front page at 2:30 ET so that it will be widely seen.
Petey, Yes I will sell out to your Awesome Conspiracy…for one million dollars!
Thanks Randy, This is a great piece, debunking all kinds of myths, fantasies, and propaganda from the Hooverians. I’ll be helping you fight off the slings and arrows of outraged austerians later in the afternoon.
my bold:
excellent — something that makes sense!
Thanks for your support, Jane. If yu like this truly progressive approach to the economy, then please spread the word here about the proceedings from last years’s fiscal sustainability conference. Selise has videos, audios, transcripts and .pdfs of powerpoints here: http://www.netrootsmass.net/fiscal-sustainability-teach-in-and-counter-conference/ It’s great stuff to begin understanding the MMT approach, particularly because the Q & A’s are so good.
Great job!
It would be very helpful to me if you could tell us a bit about how this kind of thinking relates to Keynesian economics.
not too long ago a thread here considered that question. The thread, begun by a post of mine was wiped out during the recent update at FDL. Those interested can find the post here: http://bit.ly/pqwqtL
hi masaccio, randy was here earlier but i think had to stop out — so a reply from him will probably have to wait.
in the mean time, what strikes you as similar and/or different from your understanding of Keynesian economics?
“In my view, a progressive can take his money but only on the condition that the money is used to fight his agenda tooth and nail.”
Just how long do you think you will get peterson’s money or the money from any other motu if you fight it “tooth and nail?” Sibel Edmonds has a nice little parable about taking motu money to build your little org that is speaking truth to power. Her post is here.
LOL!
yves quoted randy in her post, On Fauxgressive Rationalizations of Selling Out to Powerful, Moneyed Backers:
Recommended.
Dr. Wray, thanks.
“… You do not have to be a progressive to agree with this—all sensible economists across the political spectrum agree. Even the most conventional analysts would worry about the short-term deficit only once we recover and inflation picks up due to an overheated economy.”
There in lies the problem, being sensible in this day in age you are automatically a progressive. Economist have become shills for the plutocrats. Bernanke whose thesis was on the Great Depression should know full well his Fed policies will turn nothing around and “austerity” and “deficit reduction” is code for the new multi-national business model. Bet big and if you lose let the serfs pay for it.
That’s a tricky question because always “which Keynesian economics” is the difficulty opening preliminary question.
Anyway, generally, Keynes was pained by how an economy can generate an equilibrium in which vasts amounts of labor and capital power sit on the sidelines, unused. Government action, through money expansion and deficit spending were tools, is the Keynesian response in any version of Keynesianism.
Thank you, Dr. Wray, and keep coming back!
“Even the most conventional analysts would worry about the short-term deficit only once we recover and inflation picks up due to an overheated economy.”
One more problem, they all seem to believe that the deficit is now at some kind of critical juncture where at any moment the US could face a Greek like financial crisis, with funding cut off, double diget interest rates, and the US on its knees begging the IMF and the rest of the world for funding. And, worse, this includes all of the ‘headline’ progressives, including the President, who doesn’t want that to happen on his watch. Note that Paul Ryan said just that at his post state of the union response, with no push back from anyone from either camp.
The budget for a progressive agenda? Full employment as a continuous priority (see my proposals), the elimination of regressive taxation, funding Social Security at levels where our seniors have a minimum standard of living that makes us proud to be Americans, real healthcare reform where quality care is universally available and the excess administrative baggage of the current system is eliminated (most of what the insurance companies do), funding of public infrastructure that serves public purpose, removing the institutional structure that feeds the financial sector (see my proposals) which will drastically reduce it’s size and scope (eliminating tsy securities is a good and readily achievable start), etc. etc. etc.
Warren Mosler
http://www.moslereconomics.com
hey, fairleft! i was hoping you would see this post.
and almost everyone — from ryan to RI — is now saying we can’t “afford” it.
p.s. missing link and must read: Seven Deadly Innocent Frauds of Economic Policy
Does ending these dirty wars and financing them through austerity measures which increased debt is a part of with Wall Street bankers making huge profits on the interest charged to government at all levels— federal, state and local fit into this?
I disagree that deficit reduction should not be a primary concern for progressives because greater austerity measures will be required to pay off this debt to greedy Wall Street bankers who tax-payers bailed out to the tune of almost three-trillion dollars so far in the last three years and then these same bankers “thank” us by pushing the entire country further into debt financing militarism and wars.
Bankers just love debt because this is how they rake in the profits.
If in fact the debt was being incurred to finance job creating programs with the government being the employer of choice putting people to work solving the problems we are experiencing there would be justification for raising the debt ceiling; but, this is not the case. This money being borrowed by the government is being used just about exclusively to fight imperialist wars.
If we want to be honest here, we would have to tabulate the cost of the long “Cold War” and the associated many costly “hot wars” the United States has been involved in around the globe since 1946.
Our “crisis” is not going to be anything like the crisis in Greece— it is going to be far worse as the collapse of capitalism is just in its beginning stage of full-blown economic depression.
Anyone who is going to advocate increasing the deficit ceiling should at least have the moral and political courage to suggest the need for a Federal National Bank similar to the State Bank of North Dakota.
I admit I haven’t read the links included here; perhaps you have taken into consideration the squandering of the wealth of our Nation on wars but there sure isn’t any indication here that you have done so.
Yes, sensible just isn’t happening in the beltway from 0 on down. How sad for Main Street
Good piece Doc. Thanks
heh, I printed out the .pdf and carry it around to get people to read part of it, hoping they’ll read the whole thing at some point. Already raggedy lookin’.
“I disagree that deficit reduction should not be a primary concern for progressives …”
So insisting on deficit reduction will help end the wars and save Medicare and SS?
I sent it to a friend who is an Obama supporter. He hasn’t talked to me since
This is like a Swedish smorgasbord, but it’s impossible to eat everything that looks good. can I suggest that our MMT friends write here more frequently on select topics, as the craziness continues outside, and use this and other links for reference.
The Key graph is the Rorschach test. Either you get the accounting identity or you risk remaining hopelessly nuts with deficit hysteria.
The balances chart leaves me a little cross-eyed. I think I get it that the domestic private sector balance, the capital balance, and the government balance have to equal zero. But it seems to me that for policy analysis, it would be helpful to separate out household and firm participation in those balances. Progressives are primarily interested in the economic wellbeing of human beings (and economics sees them in households); any progressive approach to budget policy should methodologically have some way of tying back to that concern.
The continuation of large amounts of debt is troubling in this respect. Debt service comes out of general revenues from ordinary taxpayers and then flows to those entities capable of purchasing treasury bills with large dollar values. This redistributes income from ordinary taxpayers to corporations, affluent individuals, and foreign countries. And adds to the concentration of wealth in few hands. This is a major concern that I have with your argument about the persistence of deficits.
It seems to be using the threat of loss of employment and income as a way of extorting increasing concentration of wealth. No deficit, no jobs. That’s a little different from a pump priming stimulation of demand by government running a deficit.
Thanks for this diary. I’ve followed your blog for a while and always found it raising good questions.
I just wanted to give a plug to the UMKC econ blog to which Wray is a frequent contributor.
http://neweconomicperspectives.blogspot.com/
This blog is where all of the SANE economists hang out and is a welcome break from mindless Milton Friedmanish right-wing economics spin.
They have lost the meaning of the word “afford”.
In my view, a progressive can take his money but only on the condition that the money is used to fight his agenda tooth and nail.
Sounds good in theory, but what happens when you want more money? What happens if you used the money to fund salaries (or bonuses) – you will know how to get more, and that ain’t by fighting the power.
I’m grateful for this effort by an accomplished academic economist. There are several points which I hope Mr. Wray will take to heart:
1. Programs budgets serve to do more than provide discipline the execution. Indeed, the discipline is provided more by Inspector Generals, congressional oversight, a genuinely free media, and an aroused public. Program budgets are also political documents, essential to garnering political support. Defense contractors understand this when they subcontract into each of the congressional districts. Why don’t progressives? A lot of the anger at the federal government arises because the money is not being spent on things that improve people’s lives.
2. I would like to suggest an intellectual exercise. Suppose that the US could no longer run CA deficits. How would a progressive economist structure the budget so as to inflict minimum damage on people. and without reducing the American military to the point that it would be in danger of being as badly positioned as it was at Pearl Harbor and without substantially raising taxes on the moderately wealthy (e.g., doctors and lawyers)? The latter is an important point to developing a broad coalition and, as I understand it, was part of Roosevelt’s strategy.
3. Progressives often talk about spending as investment, but I don’t think I have seen a coherent summary of the budgetary and growth effects of progressive policies. For example, releasing inmates who are serving time for petty drug offenses would lower the cost of maintaining prisons, but at the expense of prison guard salaries (and prison company profits). The revenues might be re-purposed to,say, treating drug addiction. Indeed, there is so much focus on budget issues separate from growth issues that it’s very confusing for the public. If I might suggest it, one can ask one’s congressman to submit a proposal to the CBO for scoring on both budget and growth effects– and then make the proposal public (something that many in Congress fail to do).
4. I also wish that Mr. Wray and other economists would consult sympathetic businesspeople. Progressive economists are often lacking in business experience, and do not understand how their proposals would gore the ox of someone who might easily be an ally if only the economists would take the time to learn how the real-world effects of policy play out.
5. Finally, part of winning the political battle is simplicity. Ideas have to be so simple (like “Medicare for all!”) that they cannot be twisted by the malicious media.
1. A progressive group might take Mr. Peterson’s money. It depends, first, on the terms of the grant. That is, what’s expected explicitly or implicitly when an arch-conservative gives money to an opponent of his ideology and his wealth making?
It is easy to state and to negotiate opposition to an explicit demand. Less easy is it to avoid complicity with implicit demands. It is possible, probable, that a politically connected billionaire can further implicit goals that advance his purposes while seeming to further “open debate” by giving funds to his opponents.
If a liberal group identifies those – it’s hard even to assess whether they exist when a group is desperate for money – it ought to consider turning down the money.
2. Your second question about RI is a good example of my last hypothetical. Money, especially a lot of it at one time, acts like the wind: it can bend grass, ideology, research, whatever, in the direction in which it blows just be existing. No explicit quid pro quo is needed.
What is startling about the RI “research” is that it so starkly does Peterson’s doing while walking away from its own past. How could an organization dedicated to perpetuating the progressive populism of the New Deal advocate creditor saving debt reduction as a government goal on par with its historic goals of helping Main Street recover from a creditor-induced depression?
3. What should a progressive budget look like? Nothing like what RI came up with. And does it really require asking whether Peterson would fund a look into that question. It is patently obvious he would not; his wealth and power derive from opposing interests.
Increasing the deficit will only lead to further weakening Social Security and Medicare as more money will be spent for war.
How can anyone talk about the budget without considering the cost of these wars.
How much does the government have to borrow to adequately fund Medicare and Social Security?
How much does the government have to borrow to fund wars?
You might have a legitimate progressive viewpoint if the money borrowed was explicitly earmarked for job creating universal social programs but this isn’t going to be the case.
When all is said and done, budgets are a reflection of our true priorities. Just what are the true priorities of Obama and the Democrats?
From my observation, it is actual expenditures not budget authority that are a reflection of our true priorities. Funds authorized by Congress can remain unspent, un-programmed, and re-programmed by agency heads responding to the pushes and pulls of their primary appropriations subcommittees and oversight committees. And by “constituent services” requests by individual Congresscritters. The White House doesn’t exert as much direct control over government agencies as folks believe. In fact one of the minimal objectives of the Bush “unitary executive” doctrine was trying to get that control so that the White House could hold up funding, hold up programming of the funding, re-program the funding, or serve its constituency without Congressional oversight or objection.
Your second question will go unanswered even after the expenditures are in.
for me, that’s the most important part of this post…. there has been so much misinformation that most progressives don’t have the economic tools to even begin to think about what an actual progressive budget would look like.
good intentions are not enough (can i just say the CPC “people’s budget” sucks?)… and this post includes the major points (and fantastic references) that imo progressives need to have in order to think about what a budget that reflects our values would really look like.
This is wrong, and is a slippery slope.
The Cesar’s wife test applies. Not only must they not be influenced, they must be seen to be not influenced in any manner, which require NOT taking the money.
No observer would believe that by accepting the money an organization in not influenced.
Hi Doc
You might like Billys blog.
http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/
Good points, all, Charles.
As per the usual, I am late to this Fiesta For Fiscal Sanity.
So, let me just note that Dr. Wray’s post is wonderful addition, and which reinforces the “value” of the Firedog Lake, and a future “reference” point for American politics.
However, let me ‘dump’ on this Fiesta of sorts. I still find absent the “connect” between white Progressives and the Progressives that continue to emanate from within our respective communities among the we, in the “racial and ethnics.” And in doing so, I am searching for this “connect.”
To wit, our continuing demographics currently consist of children born from two years ago, 50% of these children are being born in the “racial and ethnic” communities, and thusly, in 16 years or 2028, will be voting in their first presidential election. If so, the politics of Fiscal Sanity, will vastly change. Today, I have strongly suggested that the progressive politics within the Democratic Coalition, is now starting its long and anticipated “struggle” and in my view, will continue for the next forty years or about the year of 2050. And anyone looking over the Horizon or beyond the usual 20-year framework, one will appear to look foolish, and yet, I am constant in this “horizonal view.”
Take, for example, the Concord Coalition was in Tucson, Arizona, the other day, and their Town Hall, like the Pete Petersen Foundation’s Town Hall, still could not bring themselves to admit that they are today’s “irrelevance” from my perspective, given that they “see” only what no one else “sees” in America’s “racial and ethnic” communities. Of course, the subject of this confab follows along the usually carefully-scripted lines of Social Security and Medicare. Consequently, Social Security adds nothing to our Fiscal Sanity, but Medicare does. And the real attention-grabber is found in Medicare, or the espousal of the Middle Man or the health insurance industry versus “medical care delivered” and when done directly, requires that a new infrastructure of community-based medical clinics administered by the Veterans Administration, and possibly operated on a daily basis by either Planned Parenthood or Indian Health Services. And Planned Parenthood and Indian Health Services, being my tongue-in-chief humor to agitate and shit-disturb the acolytes on the Right, as well as the Corporate Democrats, seems appropriate in today’s context.
Jaango
small bites work too. but the thing is that the bits all hang together and, as they say, the total is much much greater than the sum of the parts.
i think you’re right… but for me that’s not anything like the whole story (of anti-intuitive necessary concepts)… next up after that — at least it was for me — is the concept of taxes… that for the fed govt tax revenue (and “borrowing) don’t fund spending. fed govt spending, by logic, must actually come first!
SD! thank you so much my friend. you totally rock!
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The wealth of our nation hasn’t been squandered on the wars. Soem resources have been squandered. lives have been squandered in unconscionable ways. But the financial cost top Americans has been in US Dollars, and the US has an unlimited capability to replace these financial resources. The problem with worrying about the national debt is that it makes you think that you need to victimize 98% or more of Americans by cutting programs that serve them, at a time that these programs need to be expanded, because you believe that US dollars are limited, and now have to be conserved.
Well, they don’t have to be conserved. They have to be created to employ people, to educate people, to build infrastructure, to replace the energy foundations of our economy, to counter global warming, to safeguard the environment, to provide Medicare for All, and to do many other things we need to do. So, let’s stop thinking that we’re running out of money. We’re not! We can always make as much as is necessary. All we have to do is change Congress and get people in who understand economics, and who realize that when we have an output gap, we can create/spend money on what we need to do without worrying about demand-pull inflation.
This is about courage. The courage to believe that the evil of inflation is nowhere near as serious as the evil of a perpetual down economy with 25 million under and unemployed. It is nowhere near as evil as our nation being dependent on external parties for much of our energy needs. It is nowhere near as evil as having almost 60,000 fatalities per year due to lack of insurance and consequent lack of life-saving health care. So, we have to take a chance that the bogey-man of inflation is just that and deficit spend to the extent necessary to solve our critical problems. When full employment approaches and we start seeing demand-pull inflation, then we can always act to end it by destroying aggregate demand through taxing the wealthy.
At that point such taxation will be all good. It will dampen demand, contain inflation, and begin to level economic inequality. We need badly to get to more moderate distributions of wealth such as those that existed in the 1960s. the distribution we see now is a danger to Democracy. So, if it should happen that inflation becomes problem in the future a program of high taxes for the super and the very rich is all to the good.
The government doesn’t have to borrow at all. It needs to stop borrowing. It’s Congress’s fault that we have any national debt at all. See: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/03/23/959474/-Once-Again,-the-National-Debt-Is-Congresss-Fault?via=history
Tarheel, The problem you reference goes away, if the Government stops issuing debt when it deficit spends. If we get that done then then the extortion of risk-free interest income will stop. So, that’s the answer no more debt issuance either through using jumbo coin seigniorage or through deficit spending without either seigniorage or debt issuance. The national debt would be very low within the a few years and would eventually be gone, so no no more upward redistribution of income. Relevant posts:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/15/985379/-The-%E2%80%9CPrinting-Money%E2%80%9D-Thing?via=history
and
http://bit.ly/mr9KYP
That’s neither here nor there. What Randy is saying is that if Pete Peterson wants to give you $350,000 to do something, then do it honestly and in a progressive way. Then, if he doesn’t like the result he can move on, What he’s also saying is that the problem wasn’t that RI took the money; it was that they decided to play Peterson’s game, rather than their own. You can argue that this is inevitable; but I don’t think it is. It’s just what most people do, most of the time.
Let me try to tie this diary’s valuable discussion into the similar, ongoing discussions about these issues in the Senate – building on my diary this week about the abdication of the public, democratic process, and the bypassing of the essential role of our representatives, in this debate and these decisions.
The discussion is “similar” in that, to date, the powerful Senate’s discussions, like those of relatively-powerless outsiders, remain completely uncoupled from any actual legislative vehicle or process designed to make, or capable of making, the preferred policies reality – by deliberate choice of Party leadership and the President, who continue to talk privately, while most Members of Congress cool their heels waiting to be told, at the last minute, what the backroom powerbrokers have decided they must approve in public. [These topics of discussion should be "on the (public Senate) floor," rather than "on the (backroom) table."]
To begin with, it should be noted that the Senate has failed to adopt a budget for the federal government for almost two years now, despite all the points made in the diary about the necessity and value of creating a budget that represents one’s values and priorities. This year, in fact, the Senate Budget Committee hasn’t even met to consider a budget (although finally Chairman Kent Conrad seemed to have a blueprint – or final, unamendable product? – ready for presentation to his committee colleagues, and yet that apparently did not proceed today as planned).
Meanwhile, everyone has an opinion and many are deploying sweeping generalities or broad stereotypes about the assumed substance of the private talks, overseen by Vice President Biden, that took place between a handful of Members of Congress from the House and Senate, as though the substance of those discussions was on the public record for all to see. Or that we can somehow discern, through Party talking points, what the various positions of the participants were and are on different policy proposals. [Any resulting mischaracterizations, I readily concede, are absolutely to be expected, and even richly deserved, when one tries to hide debate and decisions about matters of such grave national import behind closed doors.]
But those private talks are not on the public record, and counter-productive Party talking points and name-calling are instead dominating the public field of play.
Occasionally, however, we get some insight into what actually transpired in those private talks, courtesy of a firsthand account provided by one of the participants. That happened late this afternoon on the Senate floor, during remarks delivered by Senator Jon Kyl of Arizona, who was a participant in the secret talks, until recently walking out (Kyl’s a member of the Republican leadership, and thus will be one of those meeting with Obama on Thursday, I assume).
The following is what I heard Jon Kyl say today, and I think it would be quite instructive to have the “progressive” viewpoint, as represented by this diary, describe, if possible – assuming for the moment that we can take Kyl at his word, however “moronic” or “hysterical” some may consider him to be – where Kyl is off the rails, or on the money, in his assessment of the situation:
Senator Kyl explained that the private talks divided their discussion into two broad categories: “discretionary” spending and “mandatory” spending. He said that the discretionary spending discussion did not get much beyond setting or debating a “top line” figure – a 302(a) budget number, in lieu of a Congressional budget resolution – for overall spending, without any specifics about how that number would be allocated. Thus, Kyl said (partly in rebuttal to a partisan speech by Patty Murray of the Senate Budget Committee), “no concessions” were made in that category by either Party.
On the mandatory spending side, Kyl said that the Republicans agreed to “$153-$200 billion” in increased revenues, which he characterized as essentially “waste, fraud and abuse” reforms of one kind or another. And he said that both Parties agreed on measures to slow the future growth of mandatory spending programs, with Republicans, according to his calculations “conceding on 60%” of the disputes, and Democrats on 40%.
Kyl then stressed that the Republican opposition to tax increases at this time is not based on an “ideological attachment to people making a lot of money,” but instead on the need to create jobs, and to protect small businesses, given the current economy. Kyl said that this debate should not be about “austerity” but rather about “prosperity,” and how to get there by putting people back to work.
At the conclusion of Kyl’s remarks, Sheldon Whitehouse showed Kyl a chart about the highest income earners in the nation, with various percentages indicating that they are not being overtaxed, relative to their share of the nation’s wealth. Without specifically disputing Whitehouse’s conclusion, Kyl replied that the percentages cited were clearly wrong, and then offered to debate Whitehouse at a future time when both had their numbers and sources in front of them, to which Whitehouse quickly agreed. (Indicating, perhaps, that the many Senators not involved in the closed-door talks may be, understandably, somewhat behind the curve on the basic facts underlying the policies or proposals at issue.)
Finally, though I’m basically posting and running, without time at the moment to engage in more specific discussion of the diary’s many interesting points, I wanted to note that I found Scott’s “mirror image” Balances graph extremely valuable and effective at conveying the relationships between the various sectors, and in helping raise questions about what intrinsic values, beyond money itself, may be represented by those sector balances.
yikes! hope you haven’t lost a friend… maybe he’s just been too engrossed in reading to talk for a bit. here’s hoping anyway!
masaccio, i don’t know if this will answer your question… but you may want to take a look at randy wray’s working paper (at levy), “The Dismal State of Macroeconomics and the Opportunity for a New Beginning”
here’s a bit from the abstract and another bit from the conclusion:
jmo, but i don’t think the wealth of our nation can be measured in dollars. lives, real resources (human and material), our productive capacity… those are the kinds of things that seem like national wealth to me.
alan, i strong recommend you take a look at warren mosler’s, Seven Deadly Innocent Frauds of Economic Policy.
personally, i’m very much opposed to the wars but that has nothing to do with the deficit. in fact, i’m strongly persuaded that “because greater austerity measures will be required to pay off this debt” is not correct. i hope you will give warren’s book a read and see if you are too.
i think the data you want is in one of stephanie kelton’s posts which is cross posted at myfdl: Stephanie Kelton: What Happens When the Government Tightens its Belt?. scroll down to the link at “Sectoral Balances Data (.xlsx format).”
Thanks for so many good posts and questions. I will write more tomorrow–it is late here. But a few quick ones:
1. I do agree taking ideologically tainted money is problematic, but i was giving Roosevelt and the others the benefit of the doubt. Yes, if they take money once, they should realize they will never get it again if they do progressive research.
2. On the current account deficit: look, if the rest of world does not want dollar assets, we will not run a deficit. “Problem” resolved. Takes two to tango. It is always an “equilibrium” in that sense.
3. I do not want to go into this in detail now, nor do i want to impute motives. But, I do agree that race has ALWAYS played a role in all discussions of social programs. Programs that are seen as benefitting people who “are not like us” always have more problems with support. I think that race is THE reason that the US is the only developed nation that does not have universal publicly provided health care. And the result is expensive and inferior healthcare.
4. I do agree that the debt limit debate is political. Republicans want to force Dems to cut popular programs so they will be hurt in the next election. It is probably that simple.
Thanks, again, more tomorrow. L.R. Wray
skipping over (for now) the issue of fed govt spending and taxes…… depends on the interest rate. if interest rates are at or new zero, then interest payments will be smaller. if you haven’t already, you might be interested in james k. galbraith’s recent policy note at levy.
http://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/pn_11_02.pdf
like you, i’d love to know what the actual redistribution effects wrt interest rates are. but i haven’t seen a source for that data… if you happen to come across it, please share!
even worse, at least imo, is that if we’ve been seriously misinformed (as i now think we have been) on the basic economic issues and facts, then we citizens won’t even know what policies can actually reflect our values.
sadly, i don’t think we’re the only ones:
p.s. thanks for your comment and especially for the link to your recent diary.
thank you!!
Taking tainted money either leads to tainted work, or, at the very least, the appearance of tainted work. Always.
That would require a major transformation of the financial sector, but I agree that would get rid of the problem I identify. And if not handled prudently, open up the door to inflation. Which hurts debtors, of which there are a large number in the US middle class.
Thanks. That is useful data.
All I have is my intuitions based on what it takes to buy a T-bill, the general distribution of the public debt, and the knowledge that interest rates don’t stay low forever.
Also, a sneaking suspicion that this was the main objection that Greenspan had to Gore trying to lower the national debt.
In general, the redistribution effect should depend on the income distribution, the mapping of the effective tax brackets to that distribution, the allocation of the debt among individuals, corporations, intra-governmental transfers, and foreign sovereign holders of US debt, and the interest rate. It is instructive to me that that data is not easily reported to the public.
Alas, no source.
Economists that actually follow the money. What a novel idea. Government debt of a currency issuer is not remotely analogous to household debt.For starters, no one in a household is the monopoly producer of money. Government debt of a currency issuer is the currency user’s savings as a matter of accounting. It’s just a digital record of account of corresponding to all currency users’ savings in banknotes, deposits, and treasuries.
One paradigm for debt doesn’t exists in the monetary world anymore than one paradigm of physics exists in the physical world (Newtonian/Quantum) The academic community continues to trip over itself because of their fundamental misunderstanding of our monetary system.
There is a process problem in the Senate (and any legislative body for that matter). The real work goes on behind closed doors. The floor discussion is for posturing.
There is no better example of this than the difference between the C-SPAN-televised markup sessions for the ARRA and those for the ACA. In the first case, members of Congress were not aware that there was an audience for this boring markup session; you got to see the logrolling, how earmarks are created, and the GOP spending money to look out for their districts. In the second you got to see the posturing of the GOP doctors in the House and the Senate and the pure kabuki, bad kabuki at that, of the process.
The same is true at the local level. When there is negotiation to be done, it is done over the phone or in “executive session”. Public meeting have become pro forma.
That is the basic point.
But even the analogies to business operations and families are stereotypes and miss the fact that, for example, a family will borrow twice or thrice their annual income to buy a house on a mortgage. And that business debt is how we got into this mess in the first place.
And that a family pushed to “hard choices” will first look to a way to raise revenues, through for example getting a second, third, or fourth job or starting a part-time or full-time home business. And if they have credit, they might borrow the operating capital or take out a student loan and go to night school to prepare for another job.
It’s one of the best things I’ve ever seen here.
Even Bernie Sanders is a supporter of going “forward on deficit reduction.” Where is a Democrat who, like FDR in the 1930s, supports going _backward_ on deficit reduction, who supports prosperity through deficit expansion? This is truly crazy:
http://www.benningtonbanner.com/ci_18423599
p.s. a later thought….. the summary on pages 74 & 75 of randy’s book, Understanding Modern Money:The Key to Full Employment and Price Stability (which, btw, can’t recommend highly enough to you), i think may address your question directly.
The same is true at the local level. When there is negotiation to be done, it is done over the phone or in “executive session”.
I think I can safely say that if local government operated in the same secretive way that the U.S. Congress is allowed to operate, its incumbents would promptly be thrown out of office, after headlines of scandal in the local newspaper(s) – which, unlike, the national media, do not rely on anonymously-leaked morsels about private meetings for their coverage of government. Those local newspapers also help to enforce what are, as a rule, much more stringent public meeting and public record laws for those serving in local government, than either the state, or, especially, the federal government has applied to itself. Public meeting laws generally strictly limit the use that may be made of “executive sessions” at the local level, and the substance of private communications (phone calls, emails) between members of a public body.
Why we think our increasingly-powerful federal legislature should be allowed to be far less open than the average local government is beyond me – though the fact that it seems to be a matter of indifference to the major commercial media covering that branch of the federal government probably explains a lot.
The national media’s indifference to the lack of public process in Congress helps explain why Harry Reid can say on the Senate floor, without fear of repercussion, as he did about two hours ago, that the “Chamber of Commerce” and “Moody’s” met (with some Senators) at 9:00 a.m. this morning “right behind us” (meaning somewhere just off the Senate floor, apparently), as justification for the complete lack of Senate floor action on any meaningful debt limit or budget-related measure this week.
After cancelling this week’s holiday recess, the Senate has taken exactly two votes this week (both procedural, each passing by more than 70 votes), and the pending business remains a throwaway “Sense of the Senate” resolution (a “Nonsense of the Senate” resolution Ron Johnson rightly called it today, in some excellent remarks on the floor condemning the lack of serious Senate engagement this week on a budget or other related measures).
And that will be it for the cancelled Senate recess, because at 10:30 a.m. on Thursday, 7/7, Harry Reid announced to the Senate that “There’ll be no more roll call votes this week.” The next vote – on the motion to proceed to the Nonsense Resolution – won’t be held until 5:30 p.m. on Monday. Meanwhile, despite Kent Conrad having finally prepared, and privately presented to Senate Democrats (apparently to a warm welcome), a budget for the federal government, there are apparently no plans to reveal its contents to the public, or to the rest of the Senate, or to present it to the Senate Budget Committee for its consideration…
But what apparently does meet with the President’s (and thus Harry Reid’s, and thus, in turn, the Democratic caucus’s) approval, is that the Senate Finance Committee meet today to endorse the “free-trade” agreements the Executive Branch has negotiated with South Korea, Columbia, and Panama. Despite obvious flaws in those agreements in the eyes of those, like me, who believe that we need to stop exporting American jobs, and lower our current account deficit. [For example, as Senator Casey of PA pointed out, while speaking on the floor against those agreements on behalf of his state's manufacturers, per "Annex 6(a)" of the South Korea agreement, products from South Korea consisting of just 35% South Korean content - even though 65% of a product's content comes from, say, China - may lawfully be labeled "Made in Korea" and thus enter the United States duty-free. Sounds more like a back-door "China free-trade agreement" to me.]
Me too. Did I say something else?
I’ve replied to the possibility of inflation here: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/15/985379/-The-%E2%80%9CPrinting-Money%E2%80%9D-Thing?via=history and here: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/04/08/964899/-Worrying-About-Demand-Pull-Inflation-Is-A-Distraction?via=history
why do you believe we are “exporting american jobs?” why do you believe our current account deficit needs to be lowered?
what is your understanding — not just your belief — of the economics? how do you propose our current account deficit be lowered and what is your understanding of the impact on americans and the rest of the world if your proposed action were to be implemented tomorrow? how confident are you of your position and understanding?
serious questions powwow. as you know, many lives may be at stake.
yes, you did: “The wealth of our nation hasn’t been squandered on the wars.”
Saw your questions very late, selise, so just a hasty reply before the thread closes.
I assume that you aren’t asserting (although it sounds like you are) that American manufacturing jobs have not been streaming out of the country in recent decades, and significantly contributing to our growing current account deficits, by causing us to import the products we used to make here? And I also assume that you’d agree that federal government policy has helped drive and/or indifferently allowed that loss of private-sector American jobs, including even in the defense industry sector.
The MMT proponents have obviously not convinced me that ever-expanding federal budget deficits are harmless (not to say, a “good thing”), or sustainable, and thus, from my perspective, lowering our current account deficit – in accordance with the accounting “identity” (an annoying term that strikes me as unnecessary jargon) governing the sectors, as explained in the diary – would be one sound, effective way to allow us to slowly bring those budget deficits back into the realm of sanity.
But in answer to your other questions, and more fundamentally, in terms of making full use of the potential of the American people (before we turn our attention to the needs of the rest of the world) – and being no expert on tariff policy or on how best to go about a reversal of the outsourcing trend – I basically share the sentiments contained in this explanation by Bob Casey on Thursday, and will let him speak for me: