I’ve written a few different posts here, and I’ve finally joined to be a member. I told the FDL people that I still would like to keep my identity separate from my screen name for a variety of reasons. I am an attorney working in Texas, which is probably too much information as it is. I am Jewish (at least, my dad was, making me not so kosher in more traditional circles). That narrows it down pretty much as much I care to let it. The reason I need to maintain some degree of anonymity is because this is still something of the “lion’s den” down here in Texas. I do work in the Energy industry, with some pretty big names in the hydrocarbon industry. And I get to rub shoulders with some pretty big hosses. They may not pay much mind to me – with armies of attorneys around them, its easy to be lost in the shuffle when you’re not the big kahuna that plays golf with them. And I like to keep it that way. These are not “my” clients. They are simply clients of attorneys I work with on a regular basis to assist them with specific things.
I can’t discuss specific things. I can’t disclose specific confidences. But when a fellow attorney starts blabbing about politics, I can certainly listen, and when they say things that are rather amazing or outrageous, I see no reason to “protect” those personal opinions. Out of professional courtesy and respect, I will never disclose names, or titles. And I would not want to make it too easy to draw a link between myself and my screen name. But some things are worth sharing with the FDL community. Even with names and titles and locations redacted. I won’t be “sourcing” what I am sharing, so this is purely anecdotal. Take of it what you will, and discard what you choose to discard. I seek only to share within certain bounds and read what others with similar or different experiences care to share.
Let me start with the end first, that way the rest of it will at least make some sense. I think that it is entirely possible that President Obama is prolonging the wars and keeping the troops deployed for more than one reason. I know we mock and joke about his “11th Dimensional Chess” bullshit… and I think most of it is bullshit that comes out of his political campainging. But, I also recognize that even this “empty suit” sock puppet may have a few good reasons for doing what he is doing. Even if those “good” reasons are very self-serving. All of us here have witnessed how the President appears to be captive to a Military-Industrial complex and Financial Vampire oligarchy. I think he stepped into that captivity the moment he became a “viable” candidate. They approached him and did a deal. That is how he edged Hillary. He promised them more than she did or could. But I think even he is not willing to risk the worst possible outcome of doing deals with the devil. Even he, if at all possible, may be trying to avert a more desperate situation from occurring. It is possible that if he were to “bring all the troops” back home that a far greater problem may ensue. That what we know to be a de-facto hijacking of the Presidency by these interests may mushroom into a full-blown coup or civil war.
I would not have drawn such a preliminary conclusion, but for the conversation I had with an attorney in the Energy industry that has ties to the military. His comments echoed several other comments I have heard from many other former military men who now run companies or act as senior executives or Board members of companies in various parts of Texas.
Let me set the scene a bit. There is a senior attorney (my peer), (who does play the golf), who is a white male. There is a hispanic female attorney much more junior in the room. And there is myself. Going through the stuff we go through, and discussing the legal matters we need to discuss. We are looking at certain documents and reports. And the topic of national security comes up. And the discussion about what this nation is doing/not doing right/wrong with respect to that. I make a general observation that the war on terror is about as effective as the war on drugs – which is to say completely ineffective. The senior attorney demonstrates his biases by claiming that the Government doesn’t do enough spying. The junior hispanic female attorney heartily agrees with him. He proceeds to make the following comments, not exactly in this order, (all of which the junior hispanic female readily agrees with, in a sickening sycophantic manner):
1. That he believes in the Constitution as the supreme law of the land. (With which I agree)
2. He believes America has been sold out to foreign powers and special interests, (if he means Wall Street and the MIC, then I agree)
3. He believes the only solution is for America to be ruled by its own “Hitler” – he clarifies that the whole “Jewish” thing (he does not realize I am Jewish) was because the “rats” (his words) had taken advantage of Germany and made themselves a target. He then goes on to say that “Hitler gave them a chance to leave, an he didn’t just close the borders and kill them. He gave them a chance first…” (At this point, I am quietly gritting my teeth, realizing that arguing with him while I am angry will do no good)
4. He believes that the only motivator for change in America is FEAR. Machiavelli-style. That Americans will not respond to economics, but to fear. And that they can’t think for themselves. So they need a tyrant to dictate the law to them. To “restore” the Constitution, he advocates the establishment of an American Hitler to FORCE change. At the point of a gun.
5. (At this point, I am being as tactful as possible, being at “his” firm, and explaining the obvious problems with the tearing apart of the Constitution to support it, the way that such tactics will results in a civil war, etc…) He proceeds to say, “Good. The Civil War is inevitable. It will come. When people protest, you don’t let them. You kill them. With the military. People won’t stand still with an M-1 tank bearing down on them. He then laments that such a plan won’t work as long as the military stays abroad. The Military has to come home in order for the Coup to truly take place.
6. Probing more, I gather this from him – the Military is comprised of ”True Patriots” who will topple a President they feel has betrayed the Constitution. He (and other former servicemembers-cum-CEOs of private companies that I’ve met) have shared this same sentiment many times. I think there is a real movement afoot in the military to seize the reigns of power. Wait a minute – they appear already to have so done. They get the wars they want, how they want, now. And they get the budget they want, how they want, already. But this attorney is telling me that a large movement of Americans on the “right” side of the spectrum want the boys and girls home, not to end the Wars, but to have them here, Stateside, for the inevitable coup!
I would dismiss this guy under other circumstances, but (1) this is not the first time I’ve heard people with large wads of cash and corporate power make the same comments, (2) General Smedley Butler was approached by the corporate titans of his day (DuPont, Dow, Wall Street, etc) to lead such a coup against FDR, (3) the Tea Party has arisen, with Koch-funding, to express the need to “Water the Tree of Liberty with Tyrant’s blood”, (4) the Military has increasing grown Evangelical and Zenophobic as an institution , (see Jeff Sharlett, and Jeremy Scahill), (5) the military has allowed far greater rates of enlistment of members of hate groups to fight in the prolonged wars,
7. He goes on to say that the person who will fill this role must be non-brown. According to him, that is the only way to ensure that the person is a “True” American. (The hispanic female junior attorney has so far nodded, smiled, heartily agreed, and ecstatically said “that is SO true…” to everything he has said. Which tells me that she either sold out long ago or is making the decision to sell out now). He then laments “affirmative action” as the cause of all problems, and that multiculturalism is the root of all evil. He laments that people have lost their way as “True Americans” and that now, the only thing that will work is FEAR and TYRANNY. That a strong person must seize power and FORCE people to become TRUE AMERICANS or DIE (in the name of the Constitution, of course!).
8. He advocates the use of nuclear weapons to eradicate the Middle East of ALL Muslims. He is adamant that Muslims are worse than Jews in America (but only by a little bit, apparently).
What am I to make of all this? When I say to him, “Well, I would be surprised if the military would orchestrate a coup, no matter what some service members might feel” he responds with “Well, the Black military would support Obama. But there are plenty of “True Patriots” in the military. That same phrase, used again.
I’ve heard it used too often here in Texas by former military now turned executive. He even made the point that the best way to kickstart this civil war is to use a foreign power to do the dirty work for the True Americans. I probed a bit to learn what he meant. He basically said, “Well, we will get a terrorist to drop a bomb on Washington, D.C. to decapitate the snake. Just like we started to do already…” and then he trailed off. He appeared unwilling to say more about the “what we started to do already” part.
He suggested that I join him and his comrades in this endeavor. I told him it wasn’t my cup of tea. He seemed pretty cocksure of himself. He was in the company of other attorneys, and figures that everything said in a law firm is privileged and confidential. Which, to a degree, it is. But when he talked of bombing D.C., killing elected officials, and a military coup, what right does he have to think its privileged? If he had shown me battle plans and details and names and lists of targets, I would have already reported him to the authorities.
But here is the catch. He is okay with the national security apparatus in place. He is okay with the PATRIOT Act. He doesn’t seem fazed by such brazenly open commentary. I think I know why.
Because if I were to “turn him in” to the authorities, they probably would lock me up. Because THEY ARE HIM. AND HE IS THEM. The “authorities” are probably already sharing this mindset with guys like this. When this much money (Citizens United) can be unleashed into the halls of power, naked and in light of day, and the Financial Vampires and MIC can so brazenly loot from the public and impose a restriction of rights upon us all, then it is likely that this “coup” he was talking of is already at least a decade into its plan. If not longer. Some might argue that when Ronnie Reagan was president, this coup was already well under way. Others might argue that the killing of JFK and RFK were a key part of this coup (those men couldn’t be bought or turned, and threatened some aspect of the puppet masters’ strategy too much).
I don’t know.
I do know that this kind of brazen talk has become increasingly commonplace. On Glenn Beck. On Faux News. In Sarah Palin’s mouth. Or Michelle Bachman’s mouth. In the mouths of Tea Partiers at astroturf rallies. In the commentaries of talking heads on ClearChannel AM stations and Roger Ailes’ paid goons. It is spoken from the mouths of millions of members found from a laundry list of hate groups. It is the common parlance of Republican elected officials to use military metaphors, violent metaphors, (cross-hairs on political opponents, “lock and load”, “rally the troops”, “conquer Washington”) or refer to the assassination or hanging of political opponents (look at the reactions of right-wingers to Julian Assange and Bradley Manning) or the constant refrain of the lynch-mob verbiage (“hang em high, string em up, hang em by the balls”). It is very common around the state here in Texas. Be it in the mouth of the local auto mechanic who talks openly about seeing an armed revolution while I’m sitting in the damn waiting room of the shop, or a wealthy attorney with a wealthy energy company client described herein. And so many in between. But this time, it was filled with too much bravado, certainty, and ease. It felt eerie and bizarro to hear such brazen language so openly spoken. It made me fear Sarah Palin just a wee bit more, and it made me wonder about the German people who quietly accepted such talk when they heard it not so long ago.
Is this attorney with influence and money just talking big? Or is he aware of something and so cocksure of something that he doesn’t even feel timid in bragging about it? I don’t know. But I do know this. The more I hear talk like this, the less sure I am of how much we want the more radical element of our armed forces stateside. Do we want a large concentration of white-supremacist, Christian Identity special forces congregated in our homeland? With tanks, munitions, and infantry tactics? Do we want that when we already have a highly Evangelicalized Air Force that controls the unmanned drones, spy satellites, and air defense systems? (More Sources here).
I felt obliged to share this experience here at FDL simply to give people a chance to think about these issues. Perhaps I felt a bit frustrated that I was not in a position to do a damn thing about this individual. The client and its executive leadership are quite chummy with this individual and his colleagues. I don’t know to what extent they all share the exact same thinking, but it is clear he has no problem speaking of it in the presence of some of their employees or other third-party agents. I’ve heard this talk before, and I was dealing with people who are accountable to nobody but themselves. They run corporations and are independently wealthy. They run for public office (and some have won) at the state and local and federal level. Be they in Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, or other cities in Texas. When the governor of the state can so brashly talk about Secession, and there are no consequences, then I suppose the entire motif and mythology of a new civil war is considered romantic and heroic. It is openly glorified in the halls of power in this state. The idea that the military would depose a President that did not see the world through its eyes is not a new one. And I suppose that President Obama perhaps is dealing with this right now. After all, JFK was shot in Dallas. Perhaps Texas has the greatest network of “True Patriots” and they feel quite at home here being so open about their intentions.
If so, this gives a slightly different perspective on the President. If he is surrounded by jackals at all times, and realizes that he took an office that is already a figurehead position, then he probably has to be very careful how he operates in that context. I don’t intend to make apologies for his cowardice, or excuse his actions (the killing of civilians with drones or other implements of war is not excusable, the craven retreat from the Peace Process, and the willingness to give assassination orders on American citizens, the decision to allow the abuse of Bradley Manning and the subsequent firing of officials who criticize it, etc, etc). I am not going to defend his decision to obey his masters. But I will at least consider and concede that he might be a captive man. That his honor and integrity, while noble in intention during the campaign, may have been too weak or immature to have given him the resolve to stay true to that honor and integrity in the face of the jackals.
Were he to stand up to them, and end this silent coup, I am sure horrible things would transpire as a reaction. But he would be a hero for doing it. America doesn’t need its own Hitler. It needs its own heroes. Everyone of us will have to step up and be prepared to do the right thing (whatever that may be) in the face of naked aggression. I can only hope that the words I heard were bluster and nothing more. But I have a sick feeling in my stomach that they are far more than that. And that the national security state is already largely aligned with those words. Thus, the braggart uttering them will not be punished by the law. Rather, the person offended by them (myself) would be punished. Just as Bush, Cheney, et al go free, the one who exposes the war crimes, Bradley Manning, is made to suffer.
I truly believe, now, that Bradley Manning is the symbol of everyperson. He is the representation of a decent American trying to do the decent thing. And he is being made to suffer horribly for that. And he is the lesson to the rest of us. Shut up, and tow the line. Or end up like him. See no evil (or ignore it if you do see it), Hear no evil (or speak nothing of it if you hear it), and Do No Evil (or do not stop the ones doing the evil if you are too unwilling to do the evil yourself). The new American Way.
Make of it what you will. But I daresay that others here at FDL have had similiar personal experiences. It would be great if the other Texas-based members were willing to offer input on anything they’ve seen or heard akin to my experiences. Is this more rampant than we have been willing to admit to ourselves? Do we all see the same thing?




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” He believes the only solution is for America to be ruled by its own “Hitler” ”
quoted for truth.
This is a fine blog, but it’s too many words. I HUMBLly ask can you cut it down?
This is so scary because it’s true. There’s plenty of people who are willing to worship the next antichrist, just because he will “make america great again.” That’s how Hitler became a force, by telling people he would regain the dignity of germany.
anyhow I could go on about how america has real problems, but instead, thanks again for the blog, marsdragon
You are right about the blog… but I just couldn’t figure where to cut. This one was a bit off the cuff.
The more I think about this, the more I realize that we probably have all heard shit like this. But what bugs me is that this guy is an attorney. He has spent tens of thousands of dollars obtaining a degree in higher education, learning things that the average American won’t get a chance to learn, being exposed to things that SHOULD have instilled in him a sense of balance, a sense of tolerance, and a sense of justice. He should have walked out of Constitutional Law classes having some kind of grasp of it all. He should have come away from law school with some deeper appreciation of the imperfectness of “law” and the need for “ethics” and “civility” as complementary to any society. And he should have understood that he is an officer of the court, held to a standard by the State Bar, that expects him to be somewhat mentally balanced.
All for naught. Guys like this just degrade the profession as a whole, and make me truly feel just that much dirtier. He is just a highly paid thug in a suit, with little more education than the average bloke.
“For a’ tha an’ mor”, he has nothing to show for it…
IMHO, he should have learned that when governments have a Coup de-at , a bad government is replaced by a worse one.
Hell it’s in the bible. Israelites demanded a king, years before solomon. Hero worship wins over any kind of freedom the Israelites had.
Glad to see someone else remembers Gen. Smedley Butler; still think way too few people know of him and what happened. And the ‘true patriot’ doesn’t seem to understand the racial makeup of the military.
But why are you still working for (with since you indicated he was a ‘peer) this asshole?
FWIW, I use to have a job as a consultant to what is now TPG
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during the construction of the Comanche Peak nuclear plant (IT connectivity between it and ‘home base’) and found the mindset of people there pretty much as you describe above.
Good luck as working in such an environment can’t be good for ones health; sad to hear about the Hispanic woman but one sees that kind of ‘turn your back’ in various minority groups as one or some of them get out of the ‘box’ they have been put into.
What keeps the United States from having a coup of the kind this lawyer fantasized about? Minimal democracy generates a more efficient and effective form of governance than a dictatorship.
That said, vicious bastards do want their authoritarian government. I’ve long believed — decades now — that the elite in the United States would someday opt for a government akin to Pinochet’s — a liberal authoritarian dictatorship. The reason: They are too stupid and vain to know better.
Oh, and recommended too!
I am in Houston and I also avoid posting personal identifiers. I post under the same name at a hard-right site and had someone promise to hunt me down.
I hear a lot of the same kind of stuff. The pot is being stirred and fear is a swell spoon.
Norman Spinrad’s book “The Iron Dream” offers a endpoint view of the true patriot. They are twisted, stunted people who think that John Wayne movies count as history.
Sometimes, when I feel like worrying about stuff,I wonder where that missing $9,000,000,000 of Iraq Reconstruction cash went to.
Stupid. All this crap about some reason too secret for anybody to know but Obama. Obama sold out from the jump. It doesn’t matter what his private reasons or thoughts might be. How much is stupid to the power of 999,999,999?
They always try to make everything complicated and no one has the mind to understand all the complexities. Its a game of crime and make it look official. The Germans went right along with it and the Americans are exactly the same.
The Japanese are the complete opposite. There is no looting. They share the little they have.
Americans (the normal ones) are in a trance the same as the Germans were when Hitler destroyed Germany right in front of them. The German people went right along with Hitler. If Obama started 2 more wars or just keep this war going, America loses that money Obama pissed away. Why do all Americans want Obama to piss their money away. Obama wants you to believe the same people who destroyed the banking system while they looted fees based on phony profits they cooked up. They conspired to artificially raised prices by forcing the (so-called) independent appraiser or they would cut off the appraiser from any more fees.
Yeah, seeing her just dumbly agree to it and smile and try to curry his favor was about as heartbreaking. And sickening.
As far as why I’m still working with him? It pays the bills, I suppose. I do lots of things in my practice, and I have my own clients as well, but they sure as hell ain’t energy companies or oil majors. This is not a long term thing. I’ve done work for this company on about 4 different cases over the years. I do some rotational stuff for different law firms in town when certain situations arise. Its sort of a developing niche, I guess. The upside is that I will never be naive about how some of these companies work because I get to see inside the deepest guts of the dirtiest a-holes, but the downside is that if I talk about what I see with any greater specificity than the anonymous generalizations I make on these blogs, I’ll lose my bar card… and I’ll probably get to meet Matthew Simmons a lot sooner… (A man I knew from one of these jaunts)
Thanks. I’ve been on some hunting trips with attorneys like this, and I’ve seen a lot of ex-military who love to talk like this. Although I have never heard any of them desire an “American Hitler.” This was a FIRST for me this time. IT seems like the rhetoric is just ratcheing up. It used to be that Ronnie Reagan was hero enough for them. But now, they are finding new fangled ways to beatify some of the worst of the worst.
Jeff Sharlett wrote about how The Family on C Street actuallydid deals with dictators for the sake of their “religious” fantasies. I guess the shit trickles down to their followers now.
Is this possibly the kind of talk that prompted the group called the Oath Keepers to form? That just popped into my head while i was reading the diary.
Houston. The upside is that we have an openly Lesbian mayor in Houston, and Harris County went Blue in 2008. The downside is that all the voting machines were burned, ironically, just 2 months before the 2010 elections, and it went red again.
The city has a lot of positives. But one of the major negatives is the preponderance of backwardsness. You-re right about the John Wayne as history crap. People long for the “good ole days” of the pre-Civil War era. Some of them are sensible enough to see past that, and simply long for the days of the 1880s.
What is so sad is the high degree of conservative women in this town. They relish the good ole days of the Pioneering Woman, the 1880s, in some kind of Annie Oakley fantasy, with a shotgun in one hand and a makeup kit in the other. They forget that in 1880, women tended to die in childbirth, a rape was almost never prosecuted, and women had no right to vote. They had limited rights to vote, and those were courtesy of the SPANISH LAW that Texas had inherited from Mexico.
How can those be the good ole days? Because Hollywood said so. Which is why Ronnie Reagan was elected. Hollywood created him from thin air.
And now, with Sarah Palin, we are seeing the same. Just look at how much the corporate media has to fawn over her. She cost McCain the election in a massive way (he might have still lost, but he lost BAD with her). And yet, the media has pumped her up and kept her manufactured limelight stoked every god-damn day since the 2008 results came in! Popular shows make reference to her (The Good Wife) on a regular basis and put her on par with Hillary Clinton. Reality shows, book deals, CNN/MSNBC keep giving her equal air time, and Faux news has pumped her into some kind of personality. She is a nothing. A nobody. But she and her family keep getting pumped up. Obama was having a running debate with her over “Death Panels” in the healthcare bill.
But was she elected? Nope. She was a nobody. And even Obama has managed to give her peer-status. Why? Because he needs her to be his bogeyman, and the corporate media needs her to be the “American Hitler.”
She fits the part perfectly. The only person who might fit it better is Mike Huckafuckabee, the biggest religious bigot this side of Eden. He puts Avigdor Lieberman to shame. Either way, we’ll get a serious Fascist out of one of them.
And the average dope in our neck of the woods will be yammering and stomping and clapping their hands with glee and joy. Despite the fact that Texas has one of the highest high school drop out rates in the nation, the highest teen pregnancy rates in the nation, the lowest median income in the nation, and some of the highest car/home insurance rates in the nation. We have the highest number of uninsured in the nation, and the highest percentage of uninsureds in the nation. We have the toughest medicaid/food stamp standards in the country, and we have the highest illiteracy rates in the country. We have a state board of education that just scratched Thomas Jefferson from curriculum about the Age of Enlightenment and replaced him with Augustine and Jean Calvin (the Medieval Bishop and the 13th Century French Theologian). Why? Because Texas power structures and politicians are pushing this “America is a Christian Nation ordained by God” garbage in the public schools.
Oh, it is the pit of vipers out here, and you are wise to keep your identity secret.
Why?
For those who don’t live in TExas, get this latest story (you may have heard it stratocruiser) – the woman who got shot in the road rage the other day? She died. The other woman was not arrested or charged. Even yet. She has offered no explanation for why she killed the first woman. What about the other road rage incident where the kids were shooting the guy up on 59 North (between Downtown and Bush Intercontinental)? Remember the guy in tne pickup just pulled over and got out his rifle and wasted them from long range? No charges for anyone. People get shot up out here like it IS a John Wayne movie. And the cops do nothin. Joe Horn much. Unless the accused is black. Then they beat the living crap out of him.
I worry less about an “American Hitler” than a military coup. This possibility is one shadow that haunts all popular contestation directed towards the reactionaries in the United States. A fraction of the security-surveillance apparatus — I’d guess the Army — may just decide to restore order when it and its allies among the capitalists believe their country has grown too disorderly. I’d say that the reactionaries fear the kind of protest they witnessed in Wisconsin more than they fear any political situation in the United States. A politics like that, especially when it is successful, is a narcissistic wound that the elite will never learn to tolerate.
In Stalin’s USSR a comrade could lose his life by making the ‘wrong’ decision in the choice between winter and spring wheat. In Reagan’s America, the “lesser people” might lose what little democracy they have because they want to keep Social Security and Medicare viable.
Good observation. I think he was referring to that group, but he was being deliberate in his use of the term “True Patriots.” But at one point, he said, “They swore an Oath to uphold the Constitution against all enemies, including DOMESTIC ones…” He made that point. So maybe. Maybe.
But this kind of talk isn’t about upholding the Constitution. The institution of a tyrant to murder Americans who don’t get with the program, to use the military to eliminate popular protests, and to use a surveillance state to spy upon citizen activists, harass them, and imprison them on the basis of political dissent, and then torture them… None of that is a Constitutional principle. It is a destruction of the Constitution.
Which is why we have failed as a nation already. If there really are terrorists who hated us for our Constitution and Liberty, then they have already won. They already convinced our nation to obliterate that document. Now, its kabuki and illusion. The Constitution has been disrespected and ignored. Terrorists have won.
But this guy implied that the “head of the snake” needed to be cut off by the use of “tools” or “proxies” that would do the dirty deed for them. I don’t know. I just have a feeling that nothing will be done to stop these people because they already are pulling the strings and calling the shots. Why else would Obama be so in their grip already?
Well, Sarah Palin would certainly be the equivalent. A complete bumblehead who speaks the words the puppet master giveth. She is a hotheaded radical, vainglorious, and assured of her own God-ordained destiny to lead and rule and make war. She has little sense of science or logic, and even less sense of economics or diplomacy. She is a rootin-tootin, shootin-hootin snowbilly that will just as readily put her finger on that red button and impose school prayer and religious services on all recipients of taxpayer funded government services. She’d build concentration camps for Muslims if she had the chance. She would ensure armageddon would come to Jerusalem faster than one of her trademark winks (to ensure the rapture and endtimes would be of her doing). The mayhem she would unleash on this world would be catastrophic. And the “coup” would simply be her election to office. She is a tool of the MIC. Not their leader. Their tool. She’d be the charismatic figurehead needed to play the part. Ronnie Reagan by orders of magnitude. Wholly fabricated by the Corporate Media and foisted upon a sleeping population.
You are right about the health aspects of working in such an environment. I’ve been doing it for so long I guess I’ve sort of learned to have a tough skin and filtered ears. I grew up in this crap for a long time. Most of the kids I knew spewed the hate they got from their own parents. The “n” word got used a lot by the white kids when the black kids weren’t around. The poorer hispanic boys were also quite ostracized. Up until they became the dominant demographic. And as time has gone by, I’ve seen the stratification of society down here based on race and class. But being white myself, and my mother being of a heritage that allows me to “fit in” quite well, I have been privy to a lot of “garbage in the ears.”
There is a HIGH Degree of Anti-Semitism out here, whether it be the ARyan Nation KKK variety, or the “Country Club” variety.
The anti-Semitism has become somewhat replaced with the anti-Muslim hatreds now.
It is all so sad. I can sympathize with the Muslim community out here. I know what its like. I had to deal with the Jew jokes and the bullying. And then I still have to deal with the “When will you accept Christ in your life?” crap. So, I can sympathize with Muslims, Hindus, and Sikhs who get harassed by the locals or the cops (which is worse out here? Hard to tell!). I know what its like to see job opportunities slip away or doors closed based on religious affiliation. So, it creates a balkanization of communities. Jews stick together (mostly). Muslims then do likewise (mostly). The Black community suffers the same thing. I can’t really complain too much – I don’t know too many Jews that get the crap from the cops. Just the behind-the-back snark and attempts to always convert us. The Black Community and the Hispanic Community and the Muslim Community in Texas are the hardest pressed. And of the three, each has its own challenges and specific trials.
So, I suppose working in such environment doesn’t beat me down – it reminds me of why we need to keep up the good fight. For Social Justice. For Tikkun Olam, as it were. Tzedekah. Zakat. Karma. Call it what you will, but the more I see it and am exposed to it, the stronger I feel in my convictions to defeat it.
Having been raised in Germany I had opportunity to hear many stories regarding the Nazi regime. Without exception Germans claimed that they had absolutely no knowledge of any of the atrocities committed by the Nazis. According to my father, who had been a soldier for 7 years, and who was later a prisoner of war, they were shown movies by the Americans of concentration camps and the brutal killing and persecution that took place. He said they still did not believe it, and thought it was simply propaganda to make them feel bad.
In addition to supposedly not knowing anything, the Germans also claimed that, of course, if they had any suspicions that all was not right, they would not mention it to anyone, not even their own families, as they knew they could not trust anyone, and they were afraid that they would disappear, or at least something very bad would happen to them.
My mother, who still lives in Germany, and is 85 years old absolutely sticks to this story. It is amazing the capacity humans have to live with their delusions, rather than admit any responsibility for what happened.
Do not deceive yourself, Hitler on his own could never have created the absolute reverence, worship, and obedience he was given by the German people.
It was incredibly large and wealthy corporations, banks and individuals that created the 3rd Reich. It was not done overnight, it required many years of planning and strategy. I’m not sure how far along we are in the process, but I feel it in my bones.
I do not know what the response of the American people should be. Some are stockpiling weapons and ammunition, however, our armed forces have tanks, planes, bombs, and unmanned drones. As far as I can tell there is no safe place anywhere in America, if the worst case scenario should happen.
It does not help that Americans are so divided in their beliefs, their ideologies, and their vision of what America should be.
I do ask myself what the response of the world would be if America follows down that path – would Russia, China, the European Union accept the United States as essentially a dictatorship, or would they declare war on us, as the allies united to declare war on Germany?
Excellent observations. I fully agree with you 100% about how Hitler came to power. That is why I argue that Sarah Palin is the one to watch. She too is being foisted and manufactured by a corporate propoganda machine, invested in by mysterious money that has no accountability, and Obama is being handled by the same people. They are turning him into some kind of dope and bumblebutt, making him look really bad. He is allowing them to do so. And so, we will be tasked with the choice of OBama or Palin. Which is better? His failures will pave the way for her “triumphs.” All manufactured and engineered. And she will be the puppet that presides over the final dismantling of the Constitution.
I think you are spot on with your analyis. I don’t know what to say about how to see the future. What will happen? I don’t know. Will we have our own military officers willing to resist? I don’t know? We already see Bradley Manning suffering his fate for the mere act of exposing the war crimes of our military’s murder of journalists. Will there be more heroes? Or will they be rooted out?
Representative Peter King is holding hearings right now to kickstart the American “cleansing.” Michelle Bachmann floated the idea of a loyalty test for Congressmembers in 2008 – remember on Hardball when she suggested that a list be kept of “True Americans” based on how they voted in the Senate?
Oh, the day will come when the question is asked, “Are you a dedicated Nationalist of the Corporate States of America?”
The National Corporatist Party has already established its power. Lets call it the NCP. They learned from WWII not to label themselves. To rule with an iron fist from the shadows, to do it using distractions and misinformation. Not to make a vaunted display of it, but to do it subversively. I think we are most of the way there now, to answer your other question. The villains have learned how to mask their true nature, and have learned how to oppress without fanfare. This makes it hard for anyone to galvanize the loyal opposition. They even learned to use a Community ORganizer from a Minority community as their figurehead, to defuse and distract the minorities they will oppress the most.
Nuclear weapons make another World War a practical impossibility. Any potential loser in a conventionally fought World War would have the capacity to impose nuclear blackmail on its opponents. Such a war could never be fought because fighting it would place Armageddon on the “could happen any moment” list. The United States could not initiate such a war because it too would face annihilation by its opponents. What would likely happen is the world would fragment into competing spheres of influence and economic power. The leading society in each of these spheres would have the liberty to act as it wanted and insofar as it could. I’d imagine the USA would want to retain control over the Americas, the region it laid claim to with the Monroe Doctrine.
Thanks to the editors for the picture of the “patriot bird”! That is quite clever!
Money hasn’t got any prophylactic properties against psychosis. On the contrary those who are willing to go to the necessary lengths- to compromise their time and often their ethics and morals- to obtain wealth far beyond any possible need are probably using that endless pursuit of needless wealth as unconscious self-medication against some form of psychosis. I’ve known many rich people and the proportion of psychotic, or as in this case specifically sociopathic, abnormalities is probably significantly elevated from the mean. Most of the sociopathic behavior among the rich stems from obvious feelings of insecurity- mentally healthy people don’t need the self-validation of vast sums of accumulated wealth.
Rich people thus tend to be vain, insecure and paranoid. You can see clear evidence of this throughout the world and throughout history. One of the dangers of a popular democracy becoming an effective oligarchy through the corruption of wealth is the prevalence of these types of harmful sociopathies among the ruling class, unchecked by commonsense control, being propagated through government.
The guy described above is a classic sociopath just like the rogue cop or the serial rapist or the Middle Eastern autocrat turning his army on his own people.
People usually think that free market capitalism distributes wealth meritocratically, but if you look closer- at the personalities of the “winners” it’s nothing of the sort. Frequently the same sociopathic impulses that drive people to the top unsurprisingly result in the upper social strata being to some degree clinically mentally compromised and, given their influence, therefore dangerous to everyone else.
Rich people aren’t like everyone else. They too often are dangerously sick.
Maybe Egypt will prove to be the exception to the rule.
Fascinating. I had not thought of such a development. In other words, Humanity has been slowly evolving to reward sociopathic behavior. It is a species that has glorified such traits. Selective Adaptation has resulted in our species being “ruled” by sociopaths.
The next great extinction event is even more likely to include humanity, then. Pity.
Same old, same old…I lived in Houston in the middle sixties
That is the sad part – nothing has changed. Some cosmetic differences.
WEll there is one update – They just created the Public Defenders Office. With its own budget. Now the accused can get legal representation without having to sit in county jail for 2 years while the day of trial drags on.
They used to have to choose – either forego bail and get a court-appointed private lawyer, or take the bail and go without representation. No Public Defender’s office. Now, there is one, so Houston has entered the 20th century at last. Finally!
Here’s what I should have said there are however too many good people in Texas to have to try work, love, and try to survive while putting up with the rest.
I agree with your thinking – at the end of the day, Obama sold out. Period. I don’t make excuses for him. I only wonder aloud if he is dealing with the same kind of sociopaths that we see here in our trenches.
But maybe all Presidents have so done. Not all sold out. FDR was truly a better man than Obama. As was JFK. But you’re right. A sell out is a sell out.
Since their hero, John Wayne, never actually served in the military in any capacity or branch but became a John Bircher out of patriotism, these guys think they’re just as heroic and patriotic in trying to organize a military coup (five’ll get you ten this senior attorney never served either) to save America by destroying the Constitution. Seeing Wayne as a funhouse mirror version of patriot, they may be right in a backhanded sort of way.
I don’t see this as an evolutionary process gone wrong in the sense of unfit genes being disproportionately represented in following generations. Nor do I see it as a trend that is worsening. This pattern of psychoses correlating to behaviors amenable to the successful accumulation of wealth or social power is more or less a constant that has been with mankind for as long as there have been people to record history.
Really as far as its implications for policy formulation and governance, the answer is obvious- a transparent democracy that protects the process from being unduly influenced by wealth. Most of the harmful corruptive processes can only take place hidden in a functional democracy. The better Western democracies in Northern Europe/Scandinavia do a fairly decent job of accomplishing this so it is clearly possible. It’s obviously going to be a constant battle but I think that even the US, as corrupt as it presently is, isn’t irredeemably corrupted.
Bottom up, non-centralized institutions like a vigorous and diverse free press, internet warriors like WikiLeaks, trade unions, grassroots political activism and social networks can help on the political side as obviously could major campaign finance reform. Highly progressive tax structures and stiff inheritance taxes can also help from the other side, making the accumulation of vast wealth harder to do and more meritocratically apportioned.
This prompted me to think about Fyodor Dostoevsky’s novel The Brothers Karamazov, and the parable of The Grand Inquisitor. The Grand Inquisitor tells Jesus that they do not need him any more, that he made a mistake by giving people freedom. According to the Grand Inquisitor people cannot handle freedom and need to be ruled over by the few who are able to do so.
I do believe that the people in the shadows who are manipulating us, and I mean that on a worldwide basis, not just in the United States, hold the same contemptuous opinion of those they consider inferior to themselves, which is the majority of the American people. We cannot handle freedom, they think, and they will sacrifice themselves for us to lead us to hell, but allow us to be happy along the way.
Yeah, that is true. The state is somewhat locked in split between those who can look forward trying to make it better and those who are stuck in the past, clinging to the deprevations and oppressions of yesteryear.
I like the bottom-up approach. I recall a senator from Illinois using the same terminology with a “plumber” from Ohio a few years back. Something about the changing from a trickle-down economy to a bottom-up economcy.
Unfortunately, the day he took the Oath of Office and transformed from Senator to President, he kicked the teeth out of that concept. Everything you said in the second two paragraphs were gutted like a stuck boar after the hunt. Those organizations and individuals and activitists still aspiring to those ends were told to put legs into Veal Pen and abandon all thoughts of hope and change, or to be cast away like chaff and “fucking retards” , as The Rahm put it.
So, from one “fucking retard” to another, Kurt Sperry, I am glad to have your non-Veal Pen self here to give more of that bottom-up non-centralized inspiration.
You’re right – we can still right this ship.
I think it will take a lot of patience on our part. And I think it will take a lot of unity and organization as well. The one thing that we Progressives sometimes lack. We often are a collection of very bright people driven by different beats and different drummers, somewhat creative, and somewhat individualistic in our approaches to a greater good. We eschew too much tyranny, and so we sometimes get cynical when it comes to organizations and personalities and structures. We’ve been burned by bureacracies and we’ve been stabbed in our collective backs by too many structures. We have a healthy skepticism of organized movements.
We’ve allowed, unwittingly or otherwise, such great movements as the Labor movement, the Peace Movement, or the Pro-Choice movement to be somewhat fractured. We’ve been galvanized better in our past. We were far more united and strong as a single voice during the Gilded Age. We were united and strong when it came to Women’s Suffrage. When it came to Civil Rights. We were strong. We were one.
Now, we’ve grown a bit fractured. Not by our own intentions. But those who would divide us. Psy-ops and COINTEL have done a hefty job dividing us. Unions are now less than 10% of the work force. Civil Rights was a fight that has culminated in a penultimate “victory” (quite the pyrrhic victory, though) of seeing the first Black President. Which means so many have now shrugged and felt the fight has reached its zenith. Which is what our opponents wanted all along.
They got us to lower our guard. We now roll over, collectively, as a Progressive Community (not FDL, but the larger American populace of Progressive bent), and allow the First Black President to preside over more torture, more wars, more stripping of the Constitution, and more violating of our civil liberties than would have ever been tolerated under any White Patrician. We have been played.
But the Corporate oligarchs and Fasicsts have been organized. They have united. They have siphoned off Justices (Clarence), and they have undermined Congresscritters, and they have established powerful lobbies and trade associations (the equivalent of corporate “unions” that advocate corporate interests). Those who lord over us are united in ways we have not been.
That is what needs to change. We unite, and we set aside differences, and we can do all the things you say in the second two paragraphs of your comment. I think FDL is a great place for that seed to grow. A sapling can vie for its survival if its tended well. And we can tend. Together.
“the stronger I feel in my convictions to defeat it.” ;another “teaspoon of sand” is always appreciated here. Referencing Pete Seeger in “The American Ruling Class”.
“It is amazing the capacity humans have to live with their delusions,” ; the human mind is limit less in it’s capacity for self-deception. Psych fact.
marsdragon, thank you for this post. I have to be skeptical lest it lead down yet another rabbit hole (Sibel Edmonds) but once again, your words & logic make sense, especially after reading all the stuff about the Family and all the evangelical shit at the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs. Pity I won’t be here to read the history books 100 years from now (if there is a here). All I can say is that we make a point not to feed the beast when we have the option (goodbye ‘Quilted Northern’) and when possible we try to give some support to the ‘good guys’. It’s not pretty but I get through these days knowing my wife & I are old (50′s), we smoke (so we won’t live forever), we’re white (so the racists will look elsewhere), we have no debts and most important, we have no children so our future dies with us. So much for the amerikkkian dream, eh?
Thanks for giving the post a chance and following the sources I left. A lot of people don’t realize how bad it is in the Air Force Academy. The Christian Right has many of its organizations’ headquarters there in Colorado Springs, and much of the animus against non-Christians spews forth from there. And the Air Force has been hijacked by this mindset for well over 2 decades now, if not more. The problems with rape and harassment of female cadets has also increased in parallel with the increase of Christian fundamentalism there. Ironic, huh? The Christian fundamentalists will hew and haw over “Islamic” Extremism and hold hearings about how bad Muslim Americans are being for “turning a blind eye.” Yet, what about all the Christian Americans who turn a blind eye to the abuses of women at the hands of Christian Fundamentalists?
What would people say if we had THOSE kinds of hearings?!?
This guy I deal with wants to have his cake and eat it too. He believes in the right of HIS freedom of speech and HIS exercise of Religion and HIS use of arms to enforce HIS version of the law. But when it comes to dissenting or differing opinions? no way. He will use brute force and violate the very same Constitution to shut that down.
Which means the constitution is merely a thinly veiled pretext for his abuse. And those like him. Watch that in the actions and words of politicians like Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich and Michelle Bachman and Mike Huckabee. They believe in the constitution only so far as it suits their purposes. And when it doesn’t, they will trash it in the plain light of day, in words and deeds. Thanks again for sharing your personal story.
You’re very welcome! Thanks for the great post!
This is a weighty topic worthy of more discussion than it will get. Shortly it will be removed from the list of diaries to disappear into the ether. For what it’s worth, the fascism you foresee won’t last forever. It will be fatal for some, but it will pass and the human race will survive or it won’t. We have great potential, but we may be too crazy to make anything good happen.
Two things I like to point out to people who think that the USA can’t or won’t go down the path Germany did in the 1930s:
1) We were very lucky to get FDR (and very lucky that Smedley Butler stopped the DuPont-funded fascist coup before it got started).
2) Germany was for centuries known as a haven for Jews and other ethnic groups. The pogroms that swept Russia, Poland, Europe and the British Isles didn’t happen there, or at least with nowhere near the clockwork frequency. It was among the best places in the non-Muslim world for a Jew to be. (I say “non-Muslim world” because Jews living in the Dar al-Islam had far more civic and social rights than anywhere in Europe. They did not suffer pogroms at all. On the other hand, the first thing Ferdinand and Isabella did in 1492, upon vanquishing the last Muslim stronghold and uniting Spain under a Christian banner, was kill or exile as many Jews and Moors as they could get their hands on.)
No use putting off the coup.
Prolonged mendacity about how we govern ourselves, or fail to do so, is much worse, in the long run, than mere physical violence.
Rome could have recovered from its period of civil wars, and found a way back to self-governance and a working republic, had the there been an open and frank return to a monarchy or military dictatorship for a period. But Augustus was scared off that alternative by the fate of his uncle, and went instead for a fake system, whereby the army commander ruled, but the pretence and outward forms of a republic were kept up. Because they were a sham, those forms of self-governance could not redevelope into actual governing offices and legislatures. And so Roman civilization committed slow suicide.
If things have indeed progressed so far that forcing a crisis would result in a period of military dictatorship, well, awful as that is, it’s much better than the consequences of continuing the pretence. And we may find that the right would prevail, that this retired general and his chorts are deluding themselves about the Army’s loyalty. There is no good reason to continue the 11 dimensional chess.
FDR knew for a fact that the Jap fleet was coming to attack Pearl which is what FDR purposely provoked. Instead of informing the Admiral so he could ambush the Japs and protect our fleet and servicemen, he kept quiet. Then he directed a Commission to blame the Admiral for failing to be ready for the attack.
Is it OK if all Presidents sell us out? Not with me.
I’m overseas, and have been for a long time, but what’s left of my nuclear family is in the middle of East Texas. Starting even before 9/11 I heard this kind of stuff, as if Bill and Hillary were New York Jews. It springs, as many have pointed out, from a know-nothing “Christian” fundamentalism that is rampant in Texas and basically a cover for bigotry and stupidity and hate. Of course saying anything in opposition means, as I have been told, that one is “the devil” and “won’t go to Heaven,” and so on. These people will dance their asses off to black blues, eat Tex-Mex washed down with tequila, and then long for the “good old days” when “their ancestors” ran the show on the plantations and in the oil fields. One old fourth-generation Texan, also a lawyer, used to yell “But we’re at war!” whenever anyone objected to the decimation of Constitutional rights or waging wars of choice. “Against whom?” “The Muslims!”
Anyway, thanks for the post and I hope there will be much more. I read every word, and your comments, too. Maybe lots of words, but all the simple truth.
More stupid nonsense. Germans were rounding up Jews in the German cities and writing Juden all over their stores. Claiming Germans knew nothing is another pure delusion.
Wikipedia:
Thanks for the input and taking time to read all of it. Your are right – this stuff has been going on LONG before 9/11. But 9/11 took it national, and the Bush admin’s response made the bigotry mainstream and acceptable. Now, the roaches have crawled out of the woodwork and are swarming all over the place.
I hope this conversation can continue across multiple posts and blogs, inside and outside the FDL community. We have to be the ones to draw the line and push back. As hard as that is. I am hear again today, thinking of what I should have said yesterday when the topic was fresh. Now, the parties of the dialogue are not discussing this topic. We are doing work related stuff, and so the opportunity to push back has passed, for now.
I kick myself a bit for not being quite sure when to push back and when to be diplomatic or silent. Sometimes, discretion is the better part of valor. But we never can be quite sure, can we, as to WHEN that is? Its a daily challenge. And when the institutions around us are filled to the brim with this kind of attitude, and people of power hold this opinion, sometimes within an entire industry, it makes it VERY hard to both make a living and speak truth to power. So, I cut a balance and pushed only a little bit, in a devil’s advocate sort of way, to only see even greater depths of madness and bile spew from the man’s mouth. And so I came back here to report on it. Not sure it this was the right balance. But if it has educated or inspired or simply enlightened others, then that is good.
I hope others can find the strength to push whenever they feel confident to do so. I think a majority of people don’t really “feel” this way. They do, unfortunately, “go with the flow” and allow themselves to be persuaded to accept this thinking because they are not strong within themselves. They may not have a strong moral compass. They may be suffering an identity crisis of their own. They may simply be simple in their outlook and incapable of critical thought. I don’t know. But I think the key is finding ways to persuade those masses in the middle, who are so prone to being led by the nose by the most base and vicious among our society.
Fear may be a powerful motivator, as the man I work with did say. But as FDR said – “We have nothing to fear but FEAR itself.” And he is right. We need to find a way to motivate without Fear. Against the FEAR. And that is not as easy as it sounds. But thanks again for the input!
Then lets extend the conversation over multiple blogs and posts. I think the FDL community, as a whole, and the mission of FDL, is to do this exact thing. Be a place where we can share notes, give advice to one another, comfort, and support, and then inspire each other to go back into the society at large and be a better example, fight harder for Progressive values, and shape a new reality one action at a time. Thanks for the support. I’ll friend you and we can keep up with each other’s diaries, etc.
If there is one lesson to be learned from the past 40 years, it is to always question your assumptions.
Some “general truths”:
1) House prices will go back up.
2) Retirement is something most people can expect to happen.
3) America is the good guy.
4) Democrats are for the common man.
5) Obesity and malnutrition are mutually exclusive.
6) Nuclear war can never happen.
Whether these have been disproven or not, none of them can be taken as basic truths. Every one of them is questionable.
Remember how 400 people in this country own as much as everyone up to and including THE average person combined? I guarantee they’ll survive a global holocaust.
I see your points, but I’d rather not see it come to that. I think the coup has already happened, to a large degree, under our very noses. This time it wasn’t with bombs and soldiers. It was with corporate media and class divisions, with inflation and centralized banking being abused by a private cartel of financial vampires. By kicking us down to subsistence and division, injecting hatred into the conversation, and distracting us with Charlie sheen and Lindsay lohan. It was with false words of hope and change, and then betrayal at the highest levels. Over time, with lies and illusions, for at least 30 years, we have been slowly overtaken. The coup plotters have been patient, clever, and ORGANIZED. And they have used psyops and COINTEL tactics to divide, demoralize, and subjugate the loyal opposition. What is happening in Wisconsin is some of the final efforts of that subjugation, and the final awakening of a large segment of American society to finally stand up and push back. It may be too little too late. But it may also be the beginning of a new hope. I hope for the latter…
Watch Adam Curtis’ documentary “The Trap”( http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=404227395387111085# ). In it, he exposes the influence of Game Theory, John Nash and the Nash Equilibrium on American and British public policy over the past few decades. Ultimately he argues that modern American and British market-driven public policy represents above all else the interests of economists and psychopaths.
I recommend this book:
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Defying-Hitler/Sebastian-Haffner/e/9780312421137/?itm=1&USRI=defying+hitler
Recently, a commenter here was upset because someone referred to the current regime in the US as fascist. The gist of the argument was that what is happening now did not compare to what happened in Germany in the 1930′s. Sometimes, when the evidences starts to overwhelm, people will contort themselves in the extreme to not face up to reality. To think that cruelty, brutality, lust for power and evil that has expressed itself over and over again throughout our history is not forever just a thin line away, is to delude ourselves. It can happen here.
Dragon you fucking nailed it high,wide and handsome. Thank you for the read.
Completely understandable Mars.I had a wise flying instructor tell me one time if the situation ever starts to get away from me and your not sure what to do,” WAIT”. Either the airplane will right itself or you’ll figure out what to do. Good luck to you sir.
Back in 2009 I asked some of the same questions about Obama, and did some research into material granted from FOIA requests; some pretty creepy patterns, for sure. There are agendas behind the scenes, as in: Who controls the Dark Army (CIA/JSOC/Blackwater), etc. re: Cheney’s still extant Energy Policy, etc. I think you’ll enjoy the read. ;o)
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/wendy_davis/2009/11/hidden-limits-to-presidential.php
Interesting you’re getting mainly positive responses, and while I think your anaysis and conclusions are a bit off, I’d need to take the time to read again, and mull it through to explain. But it is a great conversation to have, as was the one at the Cafe, IMO. ;o)
A practical question
What service was this person retired from? What rank at retirement?
I would guess Marine or Air Force, though the lower the rank at retirement, the less the difference among the services.
A couple of generations ago, the conservatism of the military was driven by a sort of “society conservatism”, to distinguish it from “social conservatism”. That is to say, the officers, and the more so the higher the rank, tended to come from a distinct class of people. There was some overlap with class distinctions in the overall society, and for that reason, the Navy was the more conservative, as it’s admirals tended to come from a wealthier set, while the Army was relatively plebeian. But there was a tendency for flag rank to run in families, and the class distinctions within the services made them more sympathetic to the whole idea of an upper class running society.
WWII tended to democratize the services across the board, at least in terms of the old, “society” conservatism. This was mostly because of the huge expansion of the military establishment. But we also had a new service, the Air Force, and the newly independant Marine Corps, which both tended to simply not have any of the old society hierarchy. The AF even had Jewish generals! Only in the Navy did any remnants of the old society conservatism remain.
The turning point was our failure to disarm after WWII. We had had waves of expansion of our military before WWII, the largest such being the Civil War, and with it democratization, but always a rapid return after hostilities ceased to the very small inter-war establishment that naturally fostered a very traditional social hierarchy within the services. Between wars, the services were social backwaters with their own little aristocracies.
The choice not to disarm, not to return the military to being a social backwater, had the immeditate effect of keeping the services democratic. But long-term, it made them progressively more conservative in ways that aligned with the wider conservatism as it evolved in our political system.
The first step was, naturally, conservatism in the sense of hawkishness. Only the idea of the Cold War, the idea that the SU and the global Communism it notionally led was an existential threat to the US, kept the military from being disbanded after WWII. No Cold War, no national security state, no huge peacetime military, a huge decrease in the number of flag berths available — so of course flag rank tended to make one a Cold Warrior.
The second step, the takeover of the hierarchy by full-spectrum conservatives, by movement conservatives, was long delayed, partly by Vietnam, partly by some combination of lingering professionalism within the services and pressure on flag appointments from D administrations. Well, those factors are all gone with the wind, except that, probably because tradition is stronger in the older services, they seem to have given in the least to movement conservatism. The Navy is probably now the least politically regressive, followed by the Army, with the AF and Marine Corps competing for the coveted to-the-right-of-Attila position on the spectrum.
Thanks, marsdragon: you are clearly a very fine human being and do honor to your profession. Thanks for taking the pains to navigate the conflicts to bring this story to us. We *need* you in ‘there’ infiltrating all their “bases.”
The tell
Of course the baseline assumption about this person whose statements Marsdragon reports, has to be that he’s just some bloviator. The whole setup tells us that, in the sense that no one who was in on any actual operational planning for a coup would blab like this to some random near-stranger.
But even understood as mere bloviation, this episode is revealing. I enlisted in the Army in ’79, and retired in ’05. In the Army I joined, someone who bloviated like this would have been, at the least, shunned. If on active duty, his career would have been over. But I have never run across people from that era who, even with the freedom of retiree status, would share opinions like that, except perhaps with their fellow secret Birch Society friends. By the time I retired myself, Fox News was the mandatory TV station in all the patient rooms and waiting rooms where I worked, and even people on active duty would feel perfectly free to say things as extreme as this bloviator to a fellow active duty officer.
At any rate, the tell that this guy is just an idle bloviator is his point #6, as numbered by Marsdragon. You would want the bulk of the force deployed at the outset of any overt coup, with only selected units of whose loyalty you were assured actualy in CONUS. No telling who would support the president. Much safer to let forces back from deployment only as their loyalty is assured as shown by how they react to the coup. Amateur!
Once I went to Home Depot with my father, a retired Marine Corps colonel. We saw an older man wearing a hat identifying him as a WWII navy veteran. My dad naturally went up to the man and asked to shake his hand. He told him how much the older man’s generation meant to him growing up, and how those he served with felt the same way.
The old man said “What the fuck would you look up to us for? War is hell, and anyone that glorifies it is a damn fool.” My dad didn’t talk for the rest of the day.
I experienced something similar, if in the opposite direction, from my parents.
I was somehwat a hippie in HS, and even talked about finding some means to resist the draft as I neared 18. The draft ended two months before I would have had to do something overt, but they were clearly worried about what I would have done had something been necessary.
When I enlisted several years later, then went to OCS, I just assumed that they would be relieved and supportive. They were both veterans of WWII, and my father was an outspoken hawk. But they were not at all happy at my changed attitude, and my newfound military career.
I don’t think I really understood their coolness to my career choice until many years later, after I had done four years in the Infantry, gotten out to go to medical school and got back in as a Medical Corps officer. My parents had met working at the Navy Hospital at San Diego in the last year of the war. It wasn’t until I had seen my share of dead 19 year olds, infinitely less in scope than the share my parents had come in contact with at the end of WWII, that I realized just how few dead 19 year olds you have to see to cool markedly on the whole idea of a military career for anyone you care at all about.
That’s the thing about WWII veterans. They have seen way more dead 19 year olds than any American since. Gives them a strange perspective. These days I’m more surprised by the ones who aren’t pacifists than the ones who are.
Watch out for Rick Perry. Remember as of today there is no R front-runner, Palin is for many an object of ridicule and not only does no one outside of TX know who Perry is, 2/3 of the voters here reelected the SOB last year. (That’s the Keyes 1/3 & the ‘independent’ 1/3) Perry/Palin could be a ‘winner’ in 2012, Perry’s got the authoritarian bit down cold and he’s got the evangelicals as well.
Screwed again:
There is no doubt that the German people had to be aware, on some level, what was going on. You cannot hide the Kristallnacht, the burning synagogues, the disappearing neighbours, the SS and SA patrolling the streets, people having to wear stars on their clothing to identify themselves as Jews. This is precisely why I pointed out the extreme level of self delusion, and in some cases spite, ignoring the signs.
You do have to remember that my mother pointed out that she was just a child (although she was 20 when they had to flee Schlesien (we refer to this as Silesia). Sometimes we do not contemplate that this was a lengthy process, which started with my grandparents, as Hitler knew that he had to have time to brainwash at least one whole generation (my parents), so that they would be his forever, blindly, obediently, unquestioningly.
I’m not sure how you mean to proceed. If you rely on FDL I fear you will be disappointed. I don’t write diaries anymore. I posted what was to be a series on utopia. It lasted in the diary list about twenty minutes. I don’t know how they decide who stays and who goes, but I definitely went.
Let me tell you why I believe we are literally crazy. Immanuel Kant used collective perceptions to verify the validity of our senses. When we relate our perceptions to what we perceive as an external world, the external world verifies the perception. When we use collective perceptions to describe a reality unconnected to the external world we most likely are in la la land. Take God as a perception and an example. Many people believe in God. The greater the number of believers, the more they believe they are right. In some places questioning religious collective perceptions can be fatal. The point is the number of believers has nothing to do with the validity of the belief. Try telling that to a believer.
Social class is another collective perception unrelated to anything other than a desire to believe. It is generally believed that those who accumulate money are smarter and worthy of being obeyed. Many examples of this train going off the track, but it doesn’t seem to matter.
FWIW, I don’t think there’s any type of conspiracy on the MyFDL Recent Diaries list. It contains the 20 most recently published diaries. Some days there are a lot of people who write diaries and that will push older ones down the list faster. Other days, the diaries don’t come as quickly so diaries linger on the Recent list.
And as far as I can tell with the Recommended list is just that, enough folks Recommend a diary and it moves up the list. If not it doesn’t.
marsdragon:
This is a very important subject, in view of our present situation, and I would appreciate further exploration.
I do want to point out that not all Germans were deceived or intimidated. My maternal grandmother was very opposed to Hitler and the Nazi regime. On occasion my grandfather would speak to my mother and her sisters, telling them that he was not sure if their mother would return, as she had gone to speak to the authorities. She was able to keep her daughters from becoming involved in the Hitler youth, by pointing out that they had a business, and that their daughters were needed to work in this business. Strangely, despite her open opposition, she was never harmed. I do not understand how she was able to get away with almost open rebellion, but I have hope that it is evidently possible to offer resistance, perhaps that means that some of us will have to be martyrs.
I would hope that I would be brave enough to resist.
We would be well advised to remember that if Hitler had died after his first 6 years in power he would probably be remembered as a great statesman now. He spent this time building up Germany, putting people back to work, all the while assuring the world that his intents were peaceful. He built the Autobahn, a feat still admired by many Germans, he reopened the industries, he built cars, he fed hungry people. Not too many people probably spent much time contemplating that he needed this time to ready the military and brainwash the younger generation.
Somehow that sounds eerily familiar.
I did not mean to imply, if I did, that I suspect a conspiracy, although my diary was not up long enough to determine if would attract comments. Perhaps there’s a way to sort diaries by topic with a search engine. I’m not sure how it can be done, but I think a conversation like this one should continue.
Same. The idea of swearing an oath to uphold an oath which you already swore to uphold…. smells bad.
“When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”- Sinclair Lewis
Thanks Marsdragon.
Today’s United States reminds me of Menem’s Argentina.
The gamgs all here, along with their policies of looting the public(bailouts, privatization etc) while entirely ignoring the rule of law. Bureaucrats trained at the same institutions: Chicago, Harvard and Oxford. And laregly the same list of multinational corporations behaving in the same lawless manner.
Granted, the situation with Argentina seems flipped a bit in that they had a nasty military coup before Menem rather than after Menem. Kissinger openly supported that coup and their dirty war with 30,000 missing people.
Ever watch the documentary on Argentina’s Economic Collapse? The parallels are striking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH6_i8zuffs
I don’t know quite what to make of the US military. They are an institution of an establishment gone bad. But I’m less certain that they are as corrupted as our corporations. Perhaps Iraq and Afghanistan are intended as a crucible to completely corrupt them?
Whether the scenario that True Patriot described is only his and many others’ wet dream or their nefarious plan so close to manifesting that he’s rash enough to brag about it, they don’t appear to have assessed the potential for resistance adequately. I think they probably believe their own propaganda and rely on the results of black box voting that they engineered – indicated by the numerous pronouncements that we are a “Center Right” country. The TPers honestly can’t fathom that we are so mixed, literally, that to obey the command “Shoot all the such-and-such [fill in religion/race/ethnicity/sexual orientation etc] people!” many of the ones in uniform and carrying the big guns would be forced to aim their guns at themselves.
Fascinating! I like your analyis. Okay, so he was a bloviator. But… he appears to be quite content bloviating. Which means, he has probably heard enough of this from likeminded individuals. He claimed to be related to military men up and down. And that he knows a lot of them. So, if that is true, it is possible he was hearing talk from uniformed members just like this. Just as you said you were hearing it yourself near the end. So, that points to a reality that is emerging: there is open talk of this, and maybe even more hushed talk of this, in our military, right now. Everytime someone is saying these things, they may be clueless bloviators. But are they echoing real talk they picked up from those in the know? I don’t know. But I won’t discount it either. Its too rampant. Too mainstreamed. And of course, as I have said throughout this post – it is just as realistic to say the “coup” has already begun. A coup doesn’t have to be by bombs and bullets. It can be by psyops and COINTEL tactics, by propoganda and by exercise of the “dark arts” of espionage and assassination and bribery and extortion. It may well have started decades ago. A coup merely has to accomplish its goal. The way in which it does so is not determinative of whether a coup is happening or not. Look at Germany in the 20s and 30s. It was a coup. By popular election, no less!
A people can be fooled by propoganda into electing their own nightmares. Germany was carpet bombed and millions of Germans lost their lives as a result. The nation was torn asunder, split in two by two warring factions, and it main city split down the middle for 40 plus years. It was wrecked and humiliated for that time. It paid the price for its willing self-delusion. It allowed itself to elect, by popular will, a Military Dictatorship. The “coup” of Germany was in its money, its propoganda, its nationalist corporatist agenda.
The same exact thing is happening here. Replace Jews with Muslims and you have every single ingredient that Germany of the 1930s had. Every single one. And lets not get ahead of ourselves. Jews are still maligned by the Right-wing only a little less than Muslims are maligned. So, the anti-Semitism is alive and well. But that is not the point. Fascism is an economic and political mechanism whereby the private wealthy keep the profits and they socialize the losses on the backs of the public. They use the implements of government (military, police, treasury) to accumulate and hoard their own power, and to suppress dissent and eliminate competition. BINGO. Here in the US of A is this happening before our very eyes, in full light of day.
For all this guy’s bloviating, it still doesn’t change the fact that our nation is being overtaken, and is probably already captive, to the Fascist bastards that have desired it for themselves for so long.
Thanks for the input and analysis! I feel a tiny bit better thinking the guy had lots of hot air. But it is obviously hot air he has found validated in far too many quarters. Making it a lot less of hot air and more like hot oil ready to ignite…
OH, that is true. You are right. MAny brave Germans died horribly for the courage to stand up and side with the victims. No doubt. And many more died in the resistance against the Reich. I fully know that. But thanks for making sure we don’t forget it.
You know, that was the line of reasoning I attempted to take with him in my “rebuttal.” I was so amazed at the words falling out of his moutht that this was the one line of approach that came to me at the moment. To explain the rational futility of it. To explain that this was not going to be as easy as he thought it could be.
And he rebutted with his comments that there are large segments in the military who are with him in these ideas. Which made me think of the research done by the SPLC that I linked to above. The hate groups whose members have been recruited in. The strong showing of white supremacists and christian fundamentalists.
The very “morals” of Eric Prince and his Blackwater/Xe people. They are there to kill “non-believers”
I think that even if its not the “military” that does something, it is as much the risk of well trained, and well armed para-military forces that do something. Not just the typical “militia” from the right wing. But pockets of well armed and well-funded MERCENARY units. That have their own tanks, planes, choppers, naval ships, and infantry units. They have their own spies, their own blackops, and they are even better equipped than the US Military.
I hadn’t thought about that until now. These are the goons paid for and supported by multinational conglomerates. Halliburton and BP’s private security forces. Wackenhut and DynCorp types. The Xe’s of the world. The myriad array of goonsquads that operate for-profit war machines. Heck – the CIA was using one of those goons as acting station chief in Pakistan!!
I see the risk being as much from those fundamentalist right wing military types that organize in privatized battalions. Corporate America doesn’t have to “use the military.” It can just fund its own private army. And they will answer to the money. Not the flag. Their oath is not to the Constitution, but to the shareholder and the bottom line. And the US government is giving them a stronger and stronger hand and greater leverage with each passing year of these wars we wage. More and more of the war-fighting is falling to mercs. And as they train and develop and recruit the best of the best, with top pay, they fund the R&D that state-backed militaries can’t/won’t, and they operate outside the constraints of democracy or law, and we have a real fucking problem on our hands.
Maybe we are just pointing at the wrong potential actor. Its not the disaffected members of our military acting out some coup fantasy in US uniforms. Its the ones who discard the uniform to carry the banner of a private corporate sponsor in a mercenary army.
Look – even the US is a bit timid in imposing a No-fly zone over a Libya that is primarily defended by Mercenaries. They have anti-aircraft defenses that are tough enough to make us pause. And they are largely privately funded and privately run. Mercenaries.
The world is changing, and the forces of freedom and liberty are facing a rather grim future. The mainstreaming of this “true patriot’s” sentiments is the real bellweather for us all. He is saying so openly something that too many are plotting secretly. Whether he knows it or not.
Those words are proving to be some of the most prophetic uttered on our shores. Just look at a Sarah Palin rally and it speaks for itself.
You may be right about the military being less corrupted than our corporations. What is the problem is that the corrupted MEMBERS of our military are leaving the uniform to work FOR the corrupt corporations in the form of PAID MERCENARIES.
And therein lay the greatest danger. These stateless actors stand to make money from war and a police state. They make money from privatized prisons. They want prisoners in prison cells. They farm out the labor for 25 cents/hour and then they get to keep the profit. Privatized law enforcement, prisons, and military functions are the last straw before the “law” becomes a thin line between those with power and those without. It will be a meaningless concept that merely justifies the evil behavior of the powerful.
If it hasn’t already become so. But we don’t quite yet have private police. Yet. Michigan is teetering on the brink of that disaster as we speak. The allowance of private corporations to act as “Trustee” and take municipalities into “receivership” begs the question: Who will be running the police department? The people? Or the Private Receiver?
I am glad you can be part of the conversation Wendy! I do think that there is an unknown, unquantifiable element here. Of course, everyone is relying on a combination of my ability to adequately explain the facts I witnessed and their own memories/experiences of a similar nature with similar individuals. AS some here have attested, this kind of mindset is apparently rampant in many quarters here in Texas. Particularly within certain industries/segments of society.
But, this guy is not someone I ever pegged as being “Braggadocio” or “hot-headed.” He is an attorney with considerable clout, working with a major energy industry company. He is a smart guy, who gets results. I was actually quite floored to hear him talk this way.
He is a Norman Rockwell-esque type of person. He imparts a sense professionalism, poise, and quick-wittedness. He is charming, personable, well prepared for clients, opposing counsel. He has a good ole boy charm, and he is intelligent seeming. He presents himself as well educated. He even had me fooled as being a well-balanced, tolerant individual. He went to law school out of state, but he seemed to get along well with a variety of people from various ethnicities.
I suppose he has just become very very good at putting on a facade.
You know, for a minute, I really thought he was joshing me. That he was just trying to be funny. But he wasn’t. He kept on going. And going.
I realized that he doesn’t me at all. He only thinks he knows me. I can share this about myself – I have a website. I have some degree of a reputation within some legal circles locally as having represented certain individuals that are on the right-side of the political spectrum. I once spent a lot more time moving in semi-conservative circles (call it youthful naivete and professional immaturity early in my career). I think he assumed that I was on the same wavelength as him. Some who think they know me tend to misunderstand me. They think that my associations at a professional level define my personal core beliefs. They think that because I went to a private Christian school, that I must be a “converted Jew.” They sometimes have a VERY hard time understanding how a Jew who was exposed to the “truth” could still not accept it. They can’t compute that someone would make friends with those who disagree with them.
How can I have so many “conservative” friends and not also be conservative? How can I have so many “libertarian” friends and not also be libertarian? How can I associate with so many GAYS and not also be GAY! How can I go to a GAY party and still be straight?!?! That BLOWS peoples minds. B.L.O.W.S. T.H.E.I.R. M.I.N.D.S!!!!
That I can visit a MOSQUE and still be a JEW!!!! THE HORRORS!! Literally, I have had a few Jewish friends practically disown me for it. And I’ve had Christian friends actually disown me. The Jewish ones got over it. Finally. But it was still a SHOCK! And then they learn that I have a relative or two that are Muslim!!! HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?!?!
FREE WILL. They went where they went. I have a brother-in-law who served in the IDF as a PARATROOPER who is married to a catholic girl, baptized his two kids, and they both practice BUDDHISM now. Go figue. I guess the peacenik virus infected him.
My wife is an Israeli Jew. And she supports the rights of Palestinians to have their own state. And that BLOWS some people’s minds. We have talked about becoming JAIN or HINDU or BUDDHIST ourselves. Yet, I can go to a bible study with an old friend and still walk out a Jew thinking of being a Jain. Go figure.
This guy thinks that because I represented a few conservative politicians, a few libertarian politicians, and attend a bible mens’ study with a mutual professional acquaintance that I must be a Teabagger. He thinks that because I own several firearms, hunt and fish, and go camping on a regular basis that I must be some isolationist militia type.
HE is so far from the truth. I am a pacifist with a damn good shot on an SKS or a 30-06. I am a Peaceloving pro-Palestinian rights Jew. I love my country, but would like to see Native Americans given more justice for the crimes committed against them. I am an attorney who sometimes wishes he had become a Park Ranger in Yellowstone. I am an Independent Minded person, who voted for Obama in 2008, but voted for a Republican Justice of the Peace and a Libertarian school board member.
I say all this to simply provide context. I think that this guy took me as something I am not. Which is common for those who don’t know me. They see what they want, I guess. I don’t openly share so much with myself in professional settings, so they don’t get to see those sides of me. The topics never come up. He thinks that because I can skeet shoot and drink beer and quote the Bible better than him that I must be a Teabagger. He thinks that because I have a Yellow Ribbon on my car that I must love the wars. I have relatives deployed overseas who are not pleased with their nation. I have a yellow ribbon to honor THEM, not the war. He assumed too much. And he blabbed to someone he thought was on the same page as him.
Now, today at his office, I felt awkward. Like I should inform him that I am nothing like what he might think I am. But I also felt that maybe it was best to let sleeping dogs lie. I’m sure that people who know me in real life, if they were to read this one comment, would know who I am now. But I doubt they are reading this. Or if they are, they already are privy to my online blog identity. But I think that my analysis is that this guy was being genuine with me, and that he truly believes his own words. Not in a hot-headed sort of way. In a cold, clinical way. And I suspect that he has many fellow co-religionists and social contacts that would agree.
(For the record – I no longer represent one of the conservative politicians any longer. He jumped the shark and went down this very same path himself. I had to disentangle in a polite way. I raised my fees and he didn’t want to pay them. Ended the relationship in a professional and non-hostile way. He still sends me emails, but I value them as “inside” intel now. I hate burning bridges needlessly. You never know when someone else may need to cross it to join me on this side).
It wasn’t your perception of him or his seriousness that I questioned as much as the likelihood that his friends and compatriots plans had serious legs. I agree that there are rulers behind the scenes, and they are tied globally to one another, as in ‘no more sovereign borders exist at those levels of power’.
I don’t think that Obama is held captive by them as much as he has joined them, at least at his level. I think that no one who wants more corporate power would have nay problem with Obama remaining in power. What else can they win? Seriously. I forget whose piece I read distilling the players down to insiders and outsiders; maybe I can find it again; the links were at washingtonsblog.com, and were good reading. But I digress.
Mainly, what your friend describes is retread themes I’ve heard in this county in SW Colorado fro literally decades; there are so many here of the Bircher/Sagebrush Rebellion/Patriot Movement/now Tea Party stripe, and they do tend to wax ebullient about their plans and their destinies to be part of a new Cleaner More Patriotic America once the ‘thers’ are vanquished.
Maybe that’s why I see it differently; the rapid pace over the past decade of the wealth upward, power concentrated, ratcheting not just right, but toward more authoritarianism and State Power just doesn’t require another Big Bang: it’s happening, and Obama seems good with it. It’s just around the social edges that the Powers That Be let us dick around and allow the pretense that we catch a few wins now and again.
That’s about it, but RL just called, and I have to go answer. ;o)
(Sorry, no time even to check for the many typos I’m sure are here.)
I suppose its harder and harder to even find a scrap of defensibility for the President these days. You are right. As is Screwed in the various comments on this post. The President cannot be given any excuses. He either had the balls to stand up to the very well known MIC and Wall Street thugs, or he shouldn’t have run.
I suppose that now in America, to be a truly GOOD President, one must be prepared to assume the office knowing the fate may be that of JFK. And then, once the oath is made, and the first day begins, unleash hell upon the oligarchy, the MIC, and the organized criminal elements that have overrun our democracy. Prosecute the war criminals. Expose the puppet masters. Fire the embedded saboteurs. Get on the TV and hold a daily press conference to explain to America what you are doing.
I heard Obama speak during the campaign, and I thought about Tiberius and Gaius Gracchi. They were orators of their day. They gained power and popularity from the people by talking and inspiring, day in, day out. They didn’t just use that power to gain some kind of “office” or “Title.” They gained REAL political leverage. And the Equites and conservative senators feared them. The land reforms were the major issue of the day. The Roman Republic had become so completely dependent on slavery and colonialism. It was a Slave Economy. The masses of citizenry were homeless and unemployed. The few had all the wealth. And the majority of HUMANITY that lived with the sphere of Roman influence were not even citizens, but slaves with no rights. And the brothers Gracchi fought to make that different.
And died. At the hands of the Conservative senators. But they made an impact. I thought Obama had the courage of those men. He was an orator. He could tell America what he was doing. And then he could have done it.
And I don’t think the result would have been the same. Tens of Millions of Americans would have defended him. Maybe even a few hundred million. No coup could have defeated him. For the Criminal Enterprise to have harmed him would have set in motion their own undoing. Had President Obama truly stood for what he said he would do, even half of it, or a quarter of it, he would have exposed the crime bosses for who they were.
And they would have fled the country first. They wouldn’t have made a martyr of him. And the world community – I think it would provided few places of refuge for those criminals. Where would they have fled to? Egypt? Look what happened there.
We HUMANS have a shared bond. If President Obama had done the RIGHT THING, then the handful of villains that seek to oppress ALL HUMANITY would have been exposed, and fled. And ALL HUMANITY would have risen up to cheer his leadership. Remember the speech in Berlin?
That would have been multiplied 1000-fold the world over had he done what he promised. Had he torn apart the “Too Big to Fail” banks. Had he prosecuted Bush/Cheney/Rummy/Ashcroft and their team of Psychiatrists and Lawyers and Spooks for war crimes. Had he invested TARP funds in GREEN INITIATIVES, dismantled the lobbying stranglehold on the White House, and told the Robert Rubin/Phil Gramm proteges to take a hike. Had he put Elizabeth Warren as Treasury Secretary. Had he closed Gitmo, shut down Bagram, and ended the secret war against Democracy in the Middle East. Where would have the criminals have gone? Not to most places. He would have been the greatest President ever.
Now, he has proven to be the greatest coward. And I can’t excuse it. He had the momentum, the people power, the LAW and the CONSTITUTION on his side to protect him. He has a “righteous wind” at his back, and the enemies of our Republic would have cowered and feared to defy him. Because it would have meant they were defying OUR WILL. THE PEOPLE. We sent him there to CLEAN HOUSE. Not to play house servant.
Now in our time, the inspirational story comes from Egypt, not Washington. It comes from the blood spilled by Libyans resisting their madman. Not from the unmanned American drones blowing up children in the hills. The teachers, firefighters, police, and public workers of Wisconsin have shown that spark.
But where is Obama? Where is Waldo? Where is hope? And Change? We trusted him, but he failed us. But we still can trust in ourselves. It is easier to organize with a good and strong leader sometimes. But that is just the easy way. The hard way is to do it collectively without any one leader. And to do it as HUMANITY. Not as nationalities or ethnicities or races or genders. But as HUMANS.
Now you’re cookin’! I am exhausted and heading for bed; I’ll answer in the morning. But good on you for seeing what might have been, what WE could have accomplished with the help of the Man We Had Hoped He Was.
Sleep well. Solidarity, Marsdragon!
Thank you for the compliment. I only just now saw it. I hope I can live up to that accolade. I don’t know what road is before me. I don’t know what differences I will make being in “there” yet. But I will do what I can with what I have as I find it. And I will try to move the rudder and make what differences I can each day at a time. And if that inspires one other person to do it, then that is a great thing. And if that can be part of a larger pattern, where small things lead to great things, then that is excellent.
It makes me think of VERY good movie that gets so little recognition. Morgan Freeman was in it. “The Power of One.” It was about apartheid in South Africa and the attempts of one school boy and a few others to teach the disenfranchised to read, despite the laws prohibiting it. And he gave up his dreams of going to Oxford to instead roam the countryside, teaching small groups to read. And they in turn taught other small groups to read. And with literacy came education. And with education came knowledge. And with knowledge came opportunity. And with opportunity came courage and action. And with courage and action came Freedom. And the end of Apartheid. Like a small drop of water that eventually becomes a raging waterfall at the end of the river. Greatest movie ever. One of my top favorites.
I don’t know that I’m convinced of some of the claims about FDR and Pearl Harbor. I can believe that members of the Navy knew about the risks and wanted to allow them to provoke a war. But I don’t know if I am convinced yet that FDR did. That being said… I agree with your point that is never a good thing for a President to sell us out. EVER. And that is a point well taken.
I won’t defend Obama’s failures to stay true to his campaign promises. I won’t defend his decision to not only betray those promises, but to take the mistakes of Bush and claim them as his own and extend them by orders of magnitude. I only say that I think the cancerous rot has metastasized up to the very top, and that the top Brass and policy makers in and out of the military have too much power, too much control, and too much corruption. And what is worse, that the enlisted and officer corps have allowed too much corruption and treasonous characters into their midst. And those corrupted and treacherous characters will find themselves one day acting as mercernaries for a corporate overlord. And they will not be bound by honor, courage, or commitment. They are bound by profit and power. And they will not be sworn to any Constitution. They will be sworn to the shareholders of their Private Corporation. And they will MAXIMIZE the bottom line. By filling body bags with those they slay for profit.
And one day, those slain may be our neighbors. And the President may already see this. I can’t defend his paralysis or his fear or cowardice or lack of wisdom in stopping this from happening. I only can say that maybe he gave up. Which means I pity him as much as I am angered by him.
And maybe, just maybe, he can grow a pair, find his spine, and feel the heart beat in his chest, and know that all he has to do is THE RIGHT THING. Do it, and he’ll see humanity unite across the globe to support him in it. Its not too late. Not yet. Free Bradley Manning until he has had a FAIR Trial. Fire the goons running the show in the White House. Call a meeting with the Dem leaders in Congress. Schedule some pressers, and lay it out for the American people. Instruct his FCC and FTC appointees to deny any more media consolidation. Veto this internet kill switch bill. Restart on Net Neutrality. And tell Holder, “You have 24 hours to get Arrest Warrants on my desk for WAR CRIMINAL PROSECUTIONS or you are fired. Capeesh?”
He does those things, and he closes GITMO, orders the implementation of the DADT repeal, and fires Gietner and puts Warren in at Treasury, and he will have his re-election on a silver platter. And he will have singlehandedly RESTORED American dignity by DECADES. He will have nothing to fear from the WIKILEAKS cables. Because he will have shown that those are the PAST. And that HE represents the FUTURE.
All I say to President Obama is this – Do it, and we’ll bring it. Peace and Amen.
Jews are tolerated by fundamentalists only insofar as Israel is considered a necessary precondition for the second coming. I believe that conservative Jews and militant fundamentalists have forged an alliance with all the mutual respect of Hitler and Stalin.
Yes, they will survive a global holocaust…….
A young soldier once told me of a place out West, an underground Palace – the social elites have built – truly to live for at least 50-100 years & very comfortable.
They already have a sort of ‘hidden’ existence from us. Not too hard to imagine some 2-4 thousand sq. ft. Palace(s) for them. Rid the world of the ‘garbage’ and just wait till Nature comes back. With no US around.
***So, just what do we do, just let it happen, the lower ‘soldiers’ apparently are willing to die for the ‘Cause’….. Do we just let it happen? are we so damn weak and stupid to? Or do we become the ‘Woman’ who is Scorned and do something about it!!!! (woman, referring to the Dems being the female and Reps – the males).
Will We get pissed and for good reason and finally do something. At least give it a good fight.
Besides…..good always wins over evil, but only if a fight is made!
…..Or is that a sin and we will all go to hell, so says the trouble-making, godless bible. Except of course for the priests, politicians and corp leaders, who seem to be exempt.