What will happen if the derivative markets collapse? This is the question we don’t seem to be asking in public. Maybe the answer is too scary. Take a deep breath and read this (thanks a lot, EW).
Remember the basics about credit default swaps. One side buys protection against loss on debt issued by a specified company or nation from the other. The buyer doesn’t even have to own the debt. It just pays a premium based on “market” assessment of risk. The seller gets the premium, and promises to pay the difference between the face value of the debt and the value at the date of a credit event, like bankruptcy or failure to make payments.
Take another deep breath. The ISDA gives the following estimate:
As of December 2007, gross mark-to-market value of all derivatives was approximately 2.4 percent of notional amount outstanding. In addition, net credit exposure (after netting but before collateral) is 0.5 percent of notional amount outstanding. Applying these percentages to the total ISDA Market Survey notional amount outstanding of $531.2 trillion as of June 30, 2008, gross credit exposure before netting is estimated to be $12.7 trillion and credit exposure after netting, but before collateral, is estimated to be $2.7 trillion.
Banks are big players in this stuff. Citigroup has a total portfolio of swaps of various kinds of a sickening $36.8tn. Oops, maybe another deep breath. The largest part of these are interest rate swaps, but it has sold $1.57tn and bought $1.67tn in notional amounts of CDSs, according to the chart on page 40 of Citi’s financial statements. The total portfolio of swaps is about 6.9% of all swaps outstanding.
If we take Citi’s portfolio profile to be reasonably like the overall market, which is reasonable because it’s so big, we could guess that its exposure to loss is .5% of the notional value of its portfolio, which is $184bn after netting and before application of collateral. Let’s hope it’s only that bad.
Citi is required to evaluate its portfolio of derivatives using FASB rules. Citi provides a table of mark-to-market values for its trading portfolio. This gives values of $165bn and $149bn. There is much uncertainty here. For example, if Citi has hedged its protection sales with protection purchases on the same reference entities, it has to guess how much it can collect from its counterparties. It has to estimate where the losses on protection sales will occur, and where its bets on protection purchases will pay off. That can’t be estimated easily, and Citi will use very conservative estimates internally. The financial statements are confusing on this point, as hedging, netting, and collateral are all lumped together for the entire portfolio of derivatives, including the enormous interest swap portfolio.
In an earlier diary, I suggested we impose a punitive tax on naked CDSs. Now I see that taxing won’t work. Most of the players in this market look like Citi, with both purchases and sales of protection. If we tax gains, there won’t be enough money for losers to pay winners, and the problem will be worse. A lot of gamblers are buyers and sellers, not on the same reference creditors, perhaps, and they will need money from the wins to pay off the losses. Crushing the transactions will also affect the ability of the sellers of protection to pay off on hedging transactions, which is probably important. For example, GM has used some of these to protect its pension plan.
Whalen offers another solution: make them all unenforceable. He suggests that one way to do this is bankruptcy of the big protection sellers, like AIG. He points out what we already know, that a lot of the money we sent to AIG is now posted as collateral with its CDS counterparties. How will we feel about this, he asks:
Remember, only a small portion of these positions are actually hedging exposure in the form of the underlying securities. The rest are speculative, in some cases 10, 20 of 30 times the underlying basis. Yet the position taken by Treasury Secretary Paulson and implemented by Tim Geithner (and the Fed Board in Washington, to be fair) is that these leveraged wagers should be paid in full.
Whalen thinks we should pay the hedging transactions in full, and pay pennies to the gamblers. Theoretically, this could be done in bankruptcy. In Chapter 11, the goal is to create a Plan of Reorganization which changes the obligations of the company to its creditors so that the reorganized company can succeed. The plan of reorganization would put hedging CDSs into one class, and naked CDSs into another. The hedge class would be paid close to par. The other would get a penny on the dollar. The plan has to be approved after a hearing in the bankruptcy court, and the gambling crowd will either eat the problem, or emerge from the shadows to object, which will expose their shabby game to national derision.
There are several big problems with this. First, when a bankruptcy is filed, there is usually an automatic stay, which stops creditors from taking action to obtain property of the Debtor. 11 U.S.C. §560 says that this doesn’t apply to swaps. Other sections of the Bankruptcy Code do the same thing about other derivatives. The effect of these provisions is hard to predict, but they will make it difficult to stop counterparties from making a big fuss and probably limiting the ability of the company to protect itself and real creditors from the wolves.
Second, this solution doesn’t solve the problem of gamblers who need their winnings to pay their losses. We may be bankrupting a whole lot of people and companies, and we won’t know who until the bankruptcies start. Finally, bankruptcy won’t work with banks and insurance companies that wrote CDSs themselves, as opposed to holding companies or sister companies. Notice that Citibank has written a bunch of protection. When banks and insurance companies go bankrupt, they are administered by the FDIC or the State Insurance Commissioner. In either case, there is a statutory order for payment of creditors, and it isn’t likely that a court can do much about that order.
I’m beginning to think that we should just terminate naked credit default swaps outright. Declare them illegal and unenforceable. This is just the first step, as there are loads of problems, like, what happened to the premiums.
Unfortunately, right now, the only people trying to come up with an answer are some fringe guys running around with their hair on fire. Our Masters in financial world are too busy demanding ransom from the government; they can’t be expected to acknowledge the problem, let alone deal with it.



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Yes, I have said from the beginning that naked swaps should be nullified. I also believe that equity backed CDSs should be settled for less than face value, amortising the risk and decreasing the payout based on riskiness. If entities were stupid enough to buy some of these CDOs they should take a hit on the CDSs regardless.
The premiums on naked swaps are tricky. Both buyers and sellers were beyond stupid and greedy. I would go for a partial refund with the government taking a hefty cut. If sellers tried to weasel out, I would not allow them to go into bankruptcy but seize them instead.
Since CDSs were unregulated, I am not sure we know what the total exposure is. In particular we don’t know the degree to which hedge funds were involved.
So far the Obama financial team looks like they will continue the Paulson-Bernanke policy of trying to keep the pot from boiling over and hoping over time all the bad debts, bets, and loans will be worked through sufficiently that the system won’t collapse. Given the lack of success so far I’m not optimistic that there is enough time or money available even to the US to go this route, especially if the fundamental problems continue to be left unaddressed.
maybe the first step would be to require registration of the contracts? that way we (and the regulators) would have a better clue the implications of any action to be taken.
of course investors would then also have a clue – which might start a round of panic selling.
Any of these ideas have to be seen as parts in an overall plan. If banks are nationalized, for example, then that would tamp down one source of a panic. If contracts had to be registered, then it would be wise to freeze their sale and force them to be handled through a government supervised or owned clearinghouse. So far all we have seen are piecemeal temporary solutions and huge amounts of money thrown at the financial industry instead of what is needed which is an overarching government plan. The notion that Paulson and so many others keep pushing that it is better to let the financial markets work out their problems ignores the fact that it was precisely their blindness, stupidity, and greed that caused the present situation and that even with all the money shoveled at them they have yet to show any signs or even inclinations that they are willing to get themselves out of this mess.
probably a small thing.. but there actually was a hearing on this last week. dinallo, who is superintendent of insurance for ny (or some such title) had apparently announce he was going to regulate some of the CDSs contracts (the non-naked ones being used as insurance) begining, iirc, in january. at the hearing, he announced that was on hold and there was a discussion about doing it at the federal level – which then descended into a stupid battle for turf with the SEC wanting to be in charge – although they were not prepared, had no plan (unlike the cftc which came with a plan), and aren’t even doing the job they have now.
the hearing wasn’t covered by cspan and the house agriculture committee (ag because of the cftc connection) doesn’t have archives – but i ripped the audio and posted it (missed some of the beginning though – there were problems with the streaming that eventually got sorted out). irks me no end this stuff isn’t easier to access.
The information from DTCC in some of my prior posts and the ISDA data here are all voluntary, and we don’t really know how accurate or complete it is. I don’t understand the purpose of some of the aggregated data, like the separation into kind of industry/counterparty in the Citi financials: Bank, Broker-Dealer, Monoline, Non-financial, and Insurance and other financial institutions. What are we to do with that information?
Thanks massacio
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there will be a painful solution only when the us reaches financial bottom. i don’t believe any admin wants to do what is necessary. disclosure at a minimum would be the first step but i suspect we won’t even have that.
these folks have been playing the shell game for a long time. they be expert criminals. it IS a house of cards and there is not enough money to fix it.
I am not an economist and I really don’t understand all the different types of derivatives and wierd instruments these jokers have been inventing and then buying and selling like hotcakes.
But I have felt from the beginning that those CDS things should just be declared null and void. They are a totally off-the-wall and off-the-books unregulated made-up piece of paper that actually has no value other than what I say it does. So get rid of them.
Tell AIG to go suck eggs, and let the chips fall where they may. Since all these people have been buying and selling these things right and left – who cares who has the premiums now? Last one holding I guess. It should all even out in the end. Or not. And who cares. If they were stupid enough to buy these things and take these kinds of risks they are just like craps shooters at Vegas. If you lose, too bad.
Then, put the mortgages back together or assign a pot of them to each bank and order them to renegotiate the loans using the same terms as some of the more forward-looking ones are already doing.
If the guys at AIG are out of work, well join the club of the millions of other people out of work. I don’t feel sorry for any of those wall-street types at all.
Just found the same hearing. Witnesses’ prepared statements are at this link, where they happen to be at the top of the stack at the moment.
Senate Banking is supposed to have something recent too, but their site’s down at the moment.
Here’s a CNN article about recent attempts to form private derivative exchanges, or at least capture some exchange functions for private entities. And here’s Felix Salmon with another quick roundup, and a question that I’ve been wondering about, considering the burrowing tendencies of the critters we’re dealing with.
“huge amount of money thrown at the financial industry” Mission Accomplished?
Is is true that those who bet on the failure of these loans will be paid off out of the 700 Billion? I have a hard time wrapping my mind around this issue.
a couple of semi-related links:
stiglitz nyt oped: A $1 Trillion Answer
from the new yorker, a long piece on bernanke:Anatomy of a Meltdown h/t bigbrother
i don’t think so.
Do republicans test looting strategies locally in their areas before taking them national. The Savings and Loan fiasco and then the Orange County California Derivatives fiasco and now this national fiasco. There are no “accidents”.
http://www.allbusiness.com/gov…..439-1.html
Recommended and Dugg
I agree with masaccio. A lot of this stuff should just flat be illegal.
disclaimer: ianae, just a taxpayer
i agree if you consider this to be a gamble. institutions that are critical to the economy need oversight. all these trades were done in secret.
I don’t think the TARP money is directly going to pay off on gambling contracts, at least directly to that purpose. So far, it looks like the only issue is ponying up collateral as the creditworthiness of sellers of protection falls. In the case of AIG, a good bit of the money we’ve sent to them has gone to counterparties to support the protection sold by AIG. It’s possible that some of the money that went to Citi in the bailout is going in the direction of collateral, although I can’t see it in the financial statements. Certainly the financials don’t inspire confidence.
OT Does anyone know Peter Orszag? Doen’t like safety nets on the Obama Econ team?
Peter Orszag, a brainy centrist who is particularly concerned about the exploding cost of entitlements….
thanks for the links.
at least senate banking archives copies of their hearings, so we can listen later. if you don’t already know, i’ve been trying to keep track of hearings and post something for the day’s hearings in the morning at oxdown – although it’s not complete, that makes a list of recent hearings.
Selise, I appreciate your links. I’m a big fan of written statements and transcripts, but it turns out I don’t have the patience to listen to the bloviating that consumes so much of the time at these hearings. I don’t understand why congress thinks it can do the questioning when it is so obvious that they can’t.
Teddy is up at the Mothership!
We Loved Her Way Back When
Peter Orszag goes from Congresssional Budget Office to Office of Budget and management at the white house. Any thoughts?
Masaccio thanks for this. Again I have a hard time wrapping my head around this one. Have never invested in the market own a few pieces of property and that is that,
To try to understand this situation I have listened to many of the congressional hearings with the Treasury SEcretary etc, Robert Kuttner, Stigletz, Naomi Klein and a few others over at Democracy Now and some economic folks on Washington Journal.
Do you have any reading recommendations like “Economics for Dummies” about this particular disaster?
The one thing that really gets me was how many experts have been warning that this economic disaster was coming.
Not-enritely-off-topic: many of the readers of this post seem likely to be regular readers of calculatedrisk. If so, go read now, do not pass Go, do not collect $200.
a second thanks to Selise. She reminds us about some important congressional hearings.
my head hurts.
i saw earlier. cr wrote a nice post. very sad.
Masaccio: “Our Masters in financial world are too busy demanding ransom from the government”
And ransom from individual credit card holders, too.
I just received from Citicards this weekend (I am a cardholder) a “Notice of Change in Terms and Right to Opt Out” to take effect December 3, 2008 (i.e., this week!).
I called Citibank to clarify whether it was my payment history (always on time, and while recently carrying a small balance always more than the minimum payment), and “Joe” (didn’t catch the name, his accent was difficult to understand at first) answered ‘No, your payment history did not precipitate this. As you may have heard due to the recent fluctuations in the marketplace the cost of doing business has increased for Citibank. Also there are some people who are not paying on time, so Citibank has to make changes to cover its costs’
When I asked him point blank whether the bailout money by the US taxpayers was not enough to cover Citibank’s losses, he stammered a bit, but then added that the bailout money (he used a different phrase) was not related… blah. blah.
Thought you might be interested in the new terms for my card:
As of 12/3/08, variable APR to be calculated as US Prime rate + 10.99% (currently my card’s APR is 9.99% !!!)
Cash advances: US Prime +16.99% , with a minimum of 21.99% (currently my card’s APR for cash advances is 19.99%)
Late payment/default rate:
APR to increase (”even though we may have waived the late fee”) “on ALL balances to the Default APR which equals Prime Rate + up to 23.99%, or up to 29.99% whichever is greater” They go on to reassure me that they may lower the rate for good behavior after 6 months, although the lower rate would apply to new purchases and not to prior balances.
Foreign purchases fee: 3% finance charge to any purchase made outside the U.S., whether or not purchased in US dollars.
Of course I can opt out.
I paid my balance in full this weekend.
My action is not going to help Citibank make more money, but I suppose there are more people it will catch in its bigger meaner web of fees.
Makes me angry.
Taxpayers should be allowed to deduct from their Citicard balance their taxpayer contribution to Citibank’s bailout.
page 6 of the New Yorker’s Cassidy article on ther meltdown chronology…
“We knew that banks were creating conduits,”
A conduit is an off of thr books place that they can place debt without showing the risks on their balance sheets. Banks know that and the ovenight Repo lines of $2.2 billion loans that are due in 24 hours.
So is it any wonder that credit is frozen between banks when the players are not showing their cards? Kabuki instead of businaess principals are running this financial climate. It goes back to thr corporate culture…anything goes…no hold barred. So investors are scooting away from risk into treasuries and gold. CONDUITS WTF is SEC not doing? Is conduits a new accounting tool! The crime syndicate in the WH is using the invisible hand to skin the taxpayers to whom they have shifted the risk. Nifty little criminals.
I forgot to add the next important phrase:
As of 12/3/08, variable APR to be calculated as US Prime rate + 10.99%, with a minimum APR of 16.99%
(Once again, my card’s APR is 9.99% at the moment)
I agree that one of the main causes of the credit freeze is that banks cannot be sure how much cash they need to keep on hand to pay off derivatives, and how much they need to deal with their contuits, which are sometimes called Structured Investment Vehicles, as in this from Citi’s financials:
Elliott has a diary of her own!
One Last Thing for Bush To Do
They list their conduits as a small % of the total. These “Assets” may be diving in value locked into the housing Market. On of the local Realtor owners says buyers cannot get financing. So the Assests for mortgage related holdings may be a liability.
So why would they try to buy Wachovia who is one of the largest mortgage holders? Then ask for a bailout? The credit card loans they are making are a spread enough to make a nice profit…but who is borrowing?
I would like see some comparative analysis of the offer they made to buy Wachovia compared to B of A’s purchase of Country Wide the biggest mortgage holder. WElls Fargo ended up with Wachovia. US Bank took over Downey. They are all marginal and getting bigger using treasury loans managed by Wall Street people..paulson and ex Director Citibank Rubin and Ex-CEO Goldman Sachs Paulson…would seem to have conflict of interest.
The government is run for the oligarchy and by the oligarchy…isn’t that the definition of fascism.
“Demanding ransom” is right.
I just put up a comment that was wayyyyyy too long over at EW’s (re: Bailing out Big 2.5 Auto Companies), so I’m going to put it up here at Oxdown as a post.
Shoulda done that in the first place….
But I hope that my info — from a rather different angle — does even 1/10th the job of exposing this outrageous fraud called ‘Wall Street Bailout” as your post does, massaccio.
Kudos on this.
Heh heh. I knew you’d come around.
You are an observant and wise person!
Bottom line, a Credit Default Swap is a bet. It is a bet made by anyone who wants to bet that someone won’t be able to repay their loan in a specific amount in a specific amount of time. A bond is a loan broken up into pieces of paper worth $1,000 plus the interest rate. A Credit Default Swap is someone betting that the loan/bond won’t be paid back in a very specific time frame. In a period of financial disaster anyone holding Credit Default Swaps makes out big financially because alot of people/companies can’t pay their loans/debts/bonds on time. These CDS’s never should have been allowed to exist in the first place. Guess who allowed them to come into being, President Bill Clinton, he signed the Commodities Exchange Act of 2000 that brought them into being, and yes Virginia, he knew exactly what he was doing. President Bill Clinton believed in the Chicago School of Economic thought (gag) that said no government regulation was good for the world’s economies. I guess he was wrong…..
Thanks, Masaccio.
As a person with personal interest in this mess, I too, would like to see these CDS termed illegal. Not to mention unethical.
That’s a good idea. I suggested in a post to Ian Welch a couple months ago that the Public Utility Holding Company Act approach would be a good model and registration was the first thing that that law required. Followed by the establishment of voluntary plans of reorganization to simplify the holding company systems to allow the reorganized systems to succeed rather than bankruptcy reorganizations which would have been to liquidate the systems.
The idea of making these default swaps null and void as nothing more than bets which are illegal is also a good idea. Masaccio says that some of these instruments have to be paid off where they were used as hedges. Plus he says that some proposals like taxing won’t work. I guess I’m not clear why and masaccio does nt explain enough about his reasons to convince e he’s right about his ideas here.
It might be a good idea too to figure out how this credit default swap business got going in the first place. My impression is that these were created as part of an attempt to create private mortgage insurance, i.e. the kind of insurance provided by FNMA and the FHLB when they were first created in the 1930’s that paid banks or S&L’s if a mortgage defaulted so that the bank or S&L reserves and deposits would not be threatened. Until the 1990’s, you could not take out a mortgage to buy a home without mortgage insurance. What seems to have happened is that somebody must have gotten the idea of selling this kind of private “insurance” to other forms of risk taking.
Phil Gram, a name that will live in infamy.
Credit default swaps were invented by a team at J.P. Morgan Chase, in the mid-90s. One of the team leaders was Blythe Masters, a Cambridge-trained mathematician.
They were legal at the time they were created, in the sense that there was no law preventing them. I am not so sure they were legally enforceable for a number of reasons. At the time, they were a small part of the trading on Wall Street.
The law you are trying to talk about is described in this wikipedia article. I don’t think the matter is as clear as you seem to think, and in any event, it could easily have been changed once the growth of the instruments made it clear there would be problems. The current administration did not do so.
Ooops, wikipedia article is here.
Yes, I believe so strongly that the derivative market must be blown up – or “The Nuclear Option” must be applied to it, as I put it, that I have sent a version of the following letter to every member of the Senate Banking committee, the president (yes, the current one), Secretary Paulson, and every media outlet that mentioned the credit meltdown, however obliquely. If you agree with me, and the writer of this editorial, you should take similar action. Here is how I phrased the solution to the derivative crisis:
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The president must assume FDR-like powers. The first thing he should do is to declare all derivatives placed outside of legally regulated markets (90%) null and void. These “bets” – worth $180 trillion according the U.S. Office of the Comptroller of the Currency in America alone, and over half a Quadrillion dollars worldwide – could not have been made in traditionally regulated markets, because the players did not have sufficient collateral.
Because for every buyer there is a seller, the amounts lost would zero out and no one would gain an advantage. We would just get to reset the clock. This is as fair as things can be made given where we are. Right now, this enormous sum is only good for driving companies into bankruptcy and tying up the courts for years while the “winners” of these bets squabble over the crumbs of the bankrupt companies. This is already happening with creditors fighting over the last crumbs of Lehman Brothers. This is a pointless and destructive squabble and the administration – or the next one, if we can wait that long – must act to prevent years more of these.
If the parties object to the elimination of their derivative bets, they should be reminded of the penalty for fraud.
What’s causing the panic in the markets right now is the realization that the losers have insufficient money to pay the winners. The domino effect of multiple collapses cannot be stemmed by any government, even by running the printing press overtime. The only solution is to wipe them off the books and ensure these bets are never made again by sending those who make them in the future to jail.
That’s right. If it were not for legislation or regulations which specifically authorize and legalize many of the financial instruments which are traded on various security and commodity exchanges, these instruments would be subject to invalidation as wagering contracts. The rule is set forth in a number of older Supreme Court decisions such as Clews v. Jamieson 181 US 461 (1901):
” ‘The generally accepted doctrine in this country is, as stated by Mr. Benjamin, that a contract for the sale of goods to be delivered at a future day is valid, even though the seller has not the goods, nor any other means of getting them than to go into the market and buy them; but such a contract is only valid when the parties really intend and agree that the goods are to be delivered by the seller and the price to be paid by the buyer; and, if under guise of such a contract, the real intent be merely to speculate in the rise or fall of prices, and the goods are not to be delivered, but one party is to pay to the other the difference between the contract price and the market price of the goods at the date fixed for executing the contract, then the whole transaction constitutes nothing more than a wager and is null and void.’
This quotation with the doctrine therein stated is approved in Irwin v. Williar, 110 U.S. 499, 508 , 28 S. L. ed. 225, 229, 4 Sup. Ct. Rep. 160, 165.
In other words, it is illegal at common law for parties to enter into an agreement to bet upon the future price of a commodity or a stock or other article if there is no intent to deliver the article at that time. That seems to be just define what a “credit default swap” is.
It might be just as much of a problem that if the books of the entities which hold these credit default swaps are carrying them as assets or liabilities. This would create uncertainty just how to value them and what the implications of zeroing them out might be.