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Y’all probably know that I was a felony criminal defense lawyer for thirty years, who specialized in forensics and death penalty defense, and then I moved on to become a law professor teaching Criminal Procedure, Wrongful Convictions, and Trial Advocacy, among other subjects. Even though I have a strong background in science and firmly believe in the scientific method and the scientific tradition, I am a professional astrologer. Yup. Don’t ask me why it works; it just does, and I have studied and used the ancient art to good effect throughout my life. I make no apology for my interest, so if you hate astrology, please scroll on by.
If you’re interested . . .
Jupiter (at 27 degrees and 3 minutes in Pisces) is beginning to separate from an exact conjunction with Uranus (at 27 degrees and 2 minutes in Pisces) and both are trined almost exactly by Venus (at 27 degrees 5 minutes in Scorpio). This powerful astrological influence means that we will be feeling an intense need for excitement in relationship and more creative, optimistic, energetic, and enthusiastic about our spiritual search for truth than we have in quite some time. So, metaphorically speaking, grab your boards, paddle on out through the surf, and ride the big ones.
Mercury (at 21 degrees 31 minutes in Sagittarius) is approaching an exact square to Jupiter and Uranus in Pisces, so you might want to keep your computer or pen and paper handy today to keep track of what your brain is doing because new ideas regarding spirituality, travel, higher education, and your search for knowledge will be popping up faster than you can keep track of them. Beware of making promises that you can’t keep, despite good intentions. Don’t take your computer with you, if you go surfing, however.
You will likely feel like you’re making a fresh start emotionally as the New Moon (16 degrees 5 minutes in Capricorn), which symbolizes your emotional self, is separating from the Sun (13 degrees 53 minutes in Capricorn), which is your source of creative energy. The only potential problem is that you may have trouble choosing in which direction to go, as the ideas and possibilities are likely to seem somewhat overwhelming. Fortunately, however, the Moon and Sun tend to be grounded and practical in Capricorn.
From what I read yesterday, Margaret, our fellow firepup here at the Lake, is already out surfing the big waves of ideas. So, let’s get our butts in gear and join her.
This will be a good day for new ideas and new beginnings and the only danger of which you need to be aware is taking on more responsibilities than you are capable of handling.
Go for it!
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For the record:
My natal Sun is in Cancer in my 9th House together with Mercury, which also is in Cancer and conjunct my Midheaven, which is in Leo. Saturn is conjunct Pluto in Leo in my 10th House and both are conjunct my Leo Midheaven.
My Sun is square Neptune in Libra in my 12th House.
My Moon is in Virgo in my 11th House.
My Ascendant is in Scorpio and Chiron is in Scorpio almost exactly conjunct my Ascendant (less than a degree above the eastern horizon). Jupiter also is in Scorpio in my 1st House. Mars in Taurus in my 7th House opposes Jupiter in my 1st House. Jupiter is the only planet in my natal chart that is below the horizon formed by my Ascendant and Descendant, which is in Taurus.
Venus is conjunct Uranus in Gemini in my 8th House.
My Nadir is in Aquarius.
If people are interested, I’ll post an astrological-influence diary from time to time as the spirit moves me (which it’s doing today) and the positions of the luminaries and the planets indicate powerful influences at work in our lives that y’all might be interested to be aware of and apply in your daily lives.
This is a nice change of pace during these pre-congressional term doldrums. Thanks, Mason!
Don’t know where I’ll find the energy for all those exciting ideas but I certainly enjoyed the diary. Thanks and I hope your predictions are right.
Hey Mason, for kicks, can you do Carlos Slim’s horary chart for his big silver buy? ;)
I realize that you’re kidding, but I don’t do horary because it’s different and I don’t consider myself sufficiently knowledgeable and experienced to do it.
I know that I sure wouldn’t invest in silver or the stock market if I had any money to play with.
Did you know that the average length of time that a buyer holds onto a stock before selling it is 22 seconds?
BTW, did you know that JP Morgan is seriously overextended in the silver market after attempting to corner the market on silver and might go belly-up? Max Keiser at zero hedge said that a couple weeks ago, approximately.
I read an article about that yesterday. Can’t remember where. Might have been buzzflash. My momma didn’t raise no stupid son.
Mason, we love reading your posts. I had no idea you were into Astrology. I’ve tried to have mine read several times and for some reason they mess up. I guess they are not as learned as they should be.
I’m Capricorn. Dec. 22, at 5:00 a.m. EST. These other people tell me that I am born on a Cusp or something and it’s just too hard for them.
Yes, the day traders have been clogging up the real market for some time now. I wish someone would tell us why things are going gangbusters for Wall Street and their Investors, but our investments-401K’s are not busting off the charts. ;-(
Sigh, guess it has the same reason as why Mutual Funds were booming a few years back, but those same individual stocks were in the gutter. It was a market blip./ big snark
Ok, you were born December 22nd at 5 am. Check.
I need to know what year and where you were born. Gender would be nice but isn’t necessary, if you don’t want anyone to know in this forum.
Also, are you certain that your birthtime is 5 am, or is that an approximation? Precision is important in order to calculate the Ascendant or Rising Sign, which is the sign on the eastern horizon at the time and location of the birth. The sign changes approximately every 2 hours and if you’re on the cusp . . .
Oh and I almost forgot. yes, Capricorn begins on December 21st or 22nd, depending on the year. Therefore, to know your Sun sign, I need to know the year of birth and location, although I suspect your Sun is in the first degree of Capricorn rather than the last degree of Sagittarius, the sign that precedes Capricorn.
1957, I am woman, hear me Roar. Foothills of NC mountains. The time may be off a few minutes, but not more than that.
McDowell County.
is it Roar, NC?
I didn’t find a Roar, NC in my Atlas, so I used Roaring Creek, which is in Avery County.
Is that correct?
LOL! No, but that is an old tromping ground. The city is Marion.
Is McDowell in McDowell County? McDowell is south or Roaring Creek.
What’s the nearest town, direction, and distance from the nearest big city on a map. I need to locate the place by latitude and longitude coordinates.
Okay, the city is Marion. The county is McDowell, and the nearest larger city on the map should be Morganton. There is a nice large lake there named, Lake James.
Yep. A great change of pace… it’s always refreshing to have an opportunity to think metaphorically.
I went to an astrological workshop last year, where the leader mentioned that conjunction of Jupiter and Uranus and said that it’s a kind of portal, where you can create a new reality for yourself.
Hopefully, all of the effort of this past year, will lead to a newer, fresher reality for all of us.
I had a sister who was born in 1955, during one of those portals, and then died, right after she turned 7.
Weldon Kees disappeared that same year… what a fascinating artist he was! He was in his early 40s, and was accomplished in so many areas… fiction, poetry, painting, film-making & scriptwriting, jazz piano. And he was something of an impresario, too.
My sun sign is in Cancer, too, but in the 5th house, conjunct Uranus and Mars. Naturally, I have issues with authority, given that they square Saturn and Neptune in the 8th house, in Libra.
I also learned at that same workshop that we eventually become our Saturn, and I am certainly more Libra-like now than I ever was. Someone asked me years ago, if I was a Libra and I had to say no, then, since I didn’t know then about becoming one’s Saturn.
A very late degree of Aquarius is my ascendant, and Sagittarius is on the cusp of my 10th house, Gemini at the nadir.
Chiron in Capricorn, Mercury & Pluto in Leo, with Scorpio in the 9th. Three planets in Gemini: Venus, Jupiter and Moon. North Node in Aquarius.
That is great, Karen. I wish that I knew more about it. Sorry you have lost a sibling. Yes, I hope we all have a fresh reality. The one we have been living in has been too hard.
To clarify… Kees disappeared in 1955, not 7 years later.
It was an event which has informed most of my development. I was the oldest of six, eventually, and Debbie was the one born after me.
What does all that mean? I understand the part about becoming your Saturn, I think. (The characteristics of the astrological sign in your Saturn?) What does Cusp and ascendant and houses mean?
Kees was a Pisces, and born on the 24th of the month. That 24 reduces to a 6, which is the same vibration as Venus, which I suspect is why he was such an artist.
The cusp is the boundary of a sign or of a house. They mostly don’t match up.
Having both Saturn and Neptune in Libra is pretty weird, Saturn being so concrete and realistic… while Neptune is like trying to nail jello to the wall. The eighth house is not a great position for them, either, since that’s the house that rules sex, death, taxes, and other people’s money.
Saturn is the one planet that gives us our greatest reality checks, the first time when we’re in that phase from 27 to 29, the first Saturn return. I’m beginning my second Saturn return now. So far, it’s been far better than the first one. You can check an ephemeris online to see where your Saturn is. Astro.com is a pretty good site to do that. You can register there for free and put in your birth data.
It is helpful, though, to know the exact time and place of your birth, if you wish to be precise.
Yes, i would be interested. Would you recommend how to study this subject?
Thank You. I do know that my sign is an earth sign and my animal is a mountain goat or Ram.
Great diary, Mason. I’d had friends do my natal chart over the years, and they never agreed. A friend recently had me give her my birth time and location, and plugged them into the software here:
http://www.astro.com/?lang=e
and send me the resultant chart, which I printed. I still don’t know what all the planets in different houses mean, but the site has some info for those interested. Login is the first thing required to obtain any of the info.
p.s. She thought it was hilarious when she asked if I wanted her to do my chart, I was concerned about the amount of time it would take her, given I had no money to offer her. I’d pictured her sitting with an Ephemeris and calculator as in days of yore. (Blockhead.) ;o)
I probably should go dig up my charts. I don’t remember everything but I am a Gemini with Mercury and Venus also in Gemini, Cancer rising, and moon in Sag (I do remember the moon is 181 degrees of the Sun). IIRC Mars is in Scorpio but would not make book on that and the rest are all the generational planets (Jun 8, 1952 at 6:59AM CST – my hometown in KY was in the Central time zone then though the time zone line has since been moved to the west a bit)
Wow! Thanks for the link. I’ll do some reading up there.
You should! Especially since Mason and others here are intuned to it and can comment.
All good lawyers believe wild stuff. Whenever I would go to a place I had never been I would go to the Gypsy fortune teller and find out if she knew any jurors.I learned a lot of good info doing that. I had the Root Man from Donaldson South Carolina come down to Sarasota and put a curse on me. He sat behing me during the trial and just before the jury went out my client a black assistant principal was hugged and kissed by a 14 year old white chcik right square on the lips.I turned around and the Root Man was grinning like a jackass. I saved my client`s life but I always wondered what the verdict would have been if the Root Man hadn`t come to town. The old Babylonians knew a thing or two. There might be a bit more to it than we dare to think about. Doesn`t that sound like a scene from Hamlet? How about a reading for Obama`s chances of getting us out of Afghanistan.
Zenostoa
Got it.
Sun: 00 degrees 18 minutes Capricorn in the Second House
Moon: 1 degrees 20 minutes Capricorn in the Second House
Ascendant or Rising Sign: 26 degrees 23 minutes Scorpio
Midheaven: 6 degrees 57 minutes Virgo
Mercury: 8 degrees 11 minutes Capricorn in the Second House (retrograde)
Venus: 11 degrees 1 minutes Aquarius in the Third House
mars: 29 degrees 33 minutes Scorpio in the First House
Jupiter: 27 degrees 16 Libra in the Eleventh House
Saturn: 18 degrees 20 Sagittarius in the First House
Uranus: 11 degrees 07 minutes Leo in the Ninth House (retrograde)
Neptune: 4 degrees 13 minutes Scorpio in the 12th House
Pluto: 2 degrees 14 minutes Virgo in the Ninth House (retrograde)
Chiron: 14 degrees 14 minutes Aquarius in the Third House
North Node of the Moon: 7 degrees 53 minutes Scorpio in the Twelfth House (retrograde)
Natal Chart Ruler: The planet that rules the sign on the Ascendant is the natal chart ruler. Mars and Pluto are co-rulers of Scorpio. Pluto is the modern ruler. Mars is the traditional ruler. I’m going with Mars because Mars is conjunct your Ascendant and a planet conjunct the Ascendant rules the Ascendant.
Chart is Bowl Shape with Uranus as the lead planet.
Major focus point: Mercury is conjunct your Sun and your Moon is conjunct Mercury in Capricorn in your Second House of Values and Principles. This suggests that you are an initiator type of person who is practical, well grounded, responsible, and strongly committed to values and principles.
I want you on my team. Wouldn’t want you as an enemy, that for sure!
Sound like you?
That’s okay, so long as it isn’t Rahm./s
Oh Yes! Sounds like me. No, you don’t want to be an enemy of mine. (grin)
Thank You, Mason! I’m copying it so I can ponder on it more.
I hope it did not put you too much behind in your schedule today. I really do appreciate it! Nobody has ever given me that much information.
Mason! Thank YOU! I responded above!
Wow, I cast Peasant Party’s chart using my Solar Fire program and then typed up what it was and posted the positions of the planets, etc. in a comment below. Now, I’m back and delighted to discover lots of interest.
Guess I’m going to have to metaphorically slap Southern Dragon in the face with a glove and challenge him to a duel./s
I can see it now in neon lights: ASTROLOGY TODAY MEETS CATURDAY IN 12 ROUND BOUT!
Seriously, I’ll post a list of good books to start with a little later after I return from my walk.
I can not blame the French and others for responding negatively to the biological warfare of Wall_Congress and Mayfarce MOTUs (see EmptyWheel’s “Blackwater Served as Monsanto’s Intelligence Arm” [link: http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/09/15/blackwater-served-as-monsantos-intelligence-arm ] and ‘W Apparently Understood “What’s Good for GM Is Good for the Country…”’ [link: http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2011/01/03/w-apparently-understood-whats-good-for-gm-is-good-for-the-country ]). The “short silver movement” is really part of the “death by 1,000 cuts” retort and, for one, has triggered JP Morgan and HSBC to now be summoned to court in a class action suit assigned to Honorable Charles R. Norgle, Sr. (link: http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/12/30/first-time-jobless-claims-below-400000-first-time-in-obama-presidency/#comment-76217 and Edgar’s background post “World Has Had Enough Of U.S. Imperialism” [link: http://my.firedoglake.com/edger/2010/12/27/world-has-had-enough-of-u-s-imperialism ]).
thanks for this post. i know almost nothing about astrology except that its definitions and characterizations about people seem to “work’ as you put it. no point in trying to explain the cosmos. with all due rspect to Hawking and Sagan ive found nothing helpful or useful to humanity in astronomy, but a great deal that is useful and helpful in astrology.
Awesome, Mason. I’m pleased as punch that you do astrology!
Keep posting, because it is a way to find positive energy in these times!
Thank you!
My natal sun is in the 9th house as well and my ascendent is in Scorpio.
Challenging times right now…
You’re welcome. My pleasure.
As I said, the Second House is a focal point in your chart and it is associated with the sign Taurus, a fixed earth sign ruled by earthy and sexual Venus. Venus also rules Libra, which is a cardinal air sign, in which she manifests as an intellectual high minded beauty who has trouble with commitments.
Your Second house is in Sagittarius, a mutable fire sign ruled by Jupiter.
As I said, the Second House is about basic self defining beliefs or values and principles that we hold dear. It’s also about money, which is very important to Capricorns. But money is misleading because money loses importance as a person’s spirit or soul travels the path toward enlightenment. So I generally don’t place much emphasis on money as a defining characteristic of the Second House. Instead, I consider the Second House as the fundamental self-defining area of life that contains all of the ideas that are most important to the self.
Those ideas define and energize you through your Sun and emotionally ground and solidify your emotional self through your Moon. And you perceive the world around you, think about it, and express your mind that is symbolized by Mercury through the framework of the ideas and concepts that are most important to you.
Meant to say Ninth House in Cancer as well, Scorio Rising and some other striking similarities to you as well. I am a amateur astrologer :)
I’m a 1969 Valentines Baby if that helps:)
Always been interested in Aztec and Chinese Astrology and if or how they correspond with western astrology but that subject is way beyond my expertise to research. Still Cuatemoc the Falling Eagle was so named because of Aztec astrology he was the last general before the Spanish came and killed our king his name fit his life.
So you don’t have to convince me it works.
Born 4:03 pm :)
I think you found a way to get comments without doing a Sarah Palin Diary:)
Oak Park Illinois
“Don’t ask me why it works; it just does, … ”
That’s what I say, too!
Thanks for this, Mason: all of it.
Still, my knowledge is so rudimentary that I cannot understand half of what y’all are sayin’ in this thread! rotflmao!!
I read some general horoscope stuff everyday and I am so sensitive to various energies that I have started reading something about the various alignments everyday.
So I knew that today was big but I really appreciate your explanation: I am indeed feeling overwhelmed and *just* Sunday, placed the first part of a new foundation for creating my future that I had been struggling to make manifest for most of last year! Small beginnings, but maybe not, methinks, now. And even today’s tribulations are me facing up to what’s had me spinning my wheels for lo’ these many years. It feels discouraging, but maybe I can break through finally. A portal! Yes!
So, I say “YES, please” to more of this!
Thanks for the reference to Astro.com ~ that looks great. I am hamstrung by not being able to get my exact birth time, but maybe I can ferret out a closer approximation with a resource like that.
Where how do you find good Gypsies in this day and age where everyone is hustling a scam?
Looks like Mason is pretty busy with the requests here. Would you guys/gals enjoy a bit of light background music here and there while you’re sitting in the waiting room?
Mason,
I’m always confused as to what I am and believe everyone else is confused about me as well. All I know is I’m on the cusp.
Born 20 January 1954 at 7:40 p.m. in South Boston, Mass.
The Astrologer is in! lol!
Ok I’ll be the first to ask the obvious question whats Obama’s sign tell us? Sarah’s, Jeb’s, Rahm?
If we get any primary challengers to Obama their signs I really want to know.
Anoushka Shankar & Karsh Kale, Stern Grove Music Festival, San Francisco, CA (2007) (link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUcVRAA4m8Q )
Fantastic selection!
Glad you liked it. It was fun to see the audience respond to the musicians. Anoushka and her friends are rockin’!
You wrote: “Don’t ask me why it [astrology] works; it just does”.
One general explanation may be summarized in two parts.
First, astrology (from all cultures and eras), Tarot, I Ching and other destiny systems share a common premise: all things in existence are connected. The profound truth of that premise is the take-away message of the ancient Upanishads: One is All, all is One, and That art Thou. This is not merely intellectual knowledge about being; rather it is direct, immediate (unmediated), existential being.
Second, due to lack of awareness, most human beings do not learn from their experience, and therefore repeat their mistaken behavior again and again and again, through their innumerable lifetimes. Their lack of awareness keeps them in the cycle of birth and death. The interminable repetition of mistaken behavior establishes universal patterns that can be discerned through various systems.
Destiny systems can “work” for practitioners who have the knack of reading and interpreting the signs and patterns, but such talented persons are not common. In addition, practitioners vary widely in talent, veracity and motive.
Things,
Sun: 26 degrees, 03 minutes Aquarius in your 7th House
Moon: 2 degrees, 10 minutes Aquarius in your 6th House
Ascendant or 1st House cusp (Rising Sign): 11 degrees, 30 minutes Leo
Midheaven: 29 degrees, 47 minutes Aries
Mercury: 1 degree, 22 minutes Aquarius in your 6th House
Venus: 11 degrees, 27 minutes Aries in your 9th House
Mars: 25 degrees, 08 minutes Scorpio in your 4th House
Jupiter: 5 degrees, 02 minutes Libra in your 3rd House
Saturn: 21 degrees, 21 minutes Aries in your 9th House
Uranus: 3 degrees, 23 minutes Libra in your 3rd House
Neptune: 28 degrees, 39 minutes Scorpio in your 4th House
Pluto: 24 degrees, 29 minutes Virgo in your 2nd House
Chiron: 00 degrees, 3 minutes Aries in your 9th House
North Node of the Moon: 2 degrees, 14 minutes Ares in your 9th House
The most noticeable thing about your chart is the opposition between the planets in your 9th house (the house of spirituality, religion, higher learning, education and travel) and the planets in the 2nd (house of money, values, and principles) and 3rd houses (the house of communication). Your 9th house cusp is in Aries (the independent action oriented look-before-you –leap sign) loaded with Chiron (the wounded healer that by sign and house indicates a deep spiritual wound that you’re attempting to heal in this lifetime) conjunct the North Node of your Moon (whose location by sign and house indicates your spiritual purpose in this lifetime), Venus, and Saturn.
Meanwhile, Pluto in Virgo in your 2nd House is conjunct Uranus in Libra in your 3rd House and Jupiter on the other side of Uranus is also conjunct Uranus. There’s that mystical portal than Karen was discussing upthread.
Oppositions require balancing. That means you have a conflict between the spiritual area of your life, a psychic or spiritual wound that you’re trying to heal, and your life’s purpose on one side with your most basic values and principles that are deeply wired into your subconscious and past lives on the other. The answer to striking the right balance is in your 9th House.
You’re working through some very deep and heavy stuff in this lifetime that will involve enormous personal growth.
(the independent action oriented look-before-you –leap sign)
Ok that you might have gotten from my style of commenting:)
loaded with Chiron (the wounded healer that by sign and house indicates a deep spiritual wound that you’re attempting to heal in this lifetime) conjunct the North Node of your Moon (whose location by sign and house indicates your spiritual purpose in this lifetime), Venus, and Saturn.
Uh the wound was is this lifetime and my fault but yes spot on:)
The answer to striking balance is in the look before I leap part of me? Maybe I’ll try it more in my personal life when I can afford one again. Thanks Mason!
“Hitchhiking to Lhasa” then “Altar of the Earth” performed by Nawang Khechog (flute) and Chris Beale (trumpet) woven with some nice classical orchestration (link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp2jtqmgOpM )
I admit I do try and restrain my look before you leap tendencies because they get me into trouble but then again maybe that might be the problem I’ve been playing it to safe.
Nice!
Indeed! Another lovely selection. Keeping them both. :-)
“Don’t ask me why it works; it just does”
Ummm – no it doesn’t:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/astrology.html
So….what do you have to share about concerns with judicial corruption in the courts at all levels? -Pisces in the 8th.
“Abstract Tango” performed by classical guitarist, Virginia Luque (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE13TBSrqBo , bio: http://www.phillyguitar.org/concerts/2000/LuqueBio.asp )
*;)
The Glorious First of June, Nineteen Hundred and Sixty-Four, St. Paul, MN, 01:37 am CDT.
My natal Sun is in Cancer in my 9th House together with Mercury, which also is in Cancer and conjunct my Midheaven, which is in Leo.
You were one hell of a fighter in court, weren’t you? And by that I mean that you Did. Not. Give. Up. Ever. You were usually polite and seemingly conciliatory, but you were like water in a stream: The boulder could temporarily block you, but you quickly found your way around it to get to your goal, even as opposing counsel thought he or she was making hard hits on you. In fact, I will hazard a guess that your best results came against driven, straight-ahead hard-hitting prosecutors who didn’t realize they were hurting their own case with their unsubtle viciousness.
Saturn is conjunct Pluto in Leo in my 10th House and both are conjunct my Leo Midheaven.
Childhood up through high school sucked, college was fabulous, and a lot of the people who thought you’d never get anywhere when you were fifteen are still scratching their heads at how well you’ve done.
My Sun is square Neptune in Libra in my 12th House.
My Moon is in Virgo in my 11th House.
You never went to bed not knowing a fact that you knew would be key to your arguments the next morning. Yet you had your own way of getting those facts, to the point of sometimes being the despair of your clients — until they saw the end result.
My Ascendant is in Scorpio and Chiron is in Scorpio almost exactly conjunct my Ascendant (less than a degree above the eastern horizon). Jupiter also is in Scorpio in my 1st House.
Must have been fun to hear the gasps from all the folk who somehow thought, before meeting you, that you’d be a pushover, eh? And then to baffle them further by being utterly straightforward when they expected Machiavellian subtlety.
Mars in Taurus in my 7th House opposes Jupiter in my 1st House.
You get things done, are slow to anger, but woe betide anyone who makes you blow your stack. Backrubs and really good pad thai are among the few things for which you might consider committing grievous bodily harm.
Jupiter is the only planet in my natal chart that is below the horizon formed by my Ascendant and Descendant, which is in Taurus.
At first you felt puzzled at society’s failing to recognize your worth, but that was before you discovered what an advantage it is to be underestimated.
Venus is conjunct Uranus in Gemini in my 8th House.
Shame on you! This is a family blog! (Well, not really.)
My Nadir is in Aquarius.
When it comes down to it, you’re here to do what needs to be done and while you don’t set out to shock, you do let the chips fall where they may.
This endeth the snap diagnosis. :-)
SueTheRedWA,
Sun: 00 degrees, 26 minutes Aquarius in your 5th House
Moon: 22 degrees, 57 minutes Leo in your 12th House
Ascendant or 1st House cusp (Rising Sign): 5 degrees, 41 minutes Virgo
Midheaven: 00 degrees, 56 minutes Gemini
Mercury: 4 degrees, 35 minutes Aquarius in your 5th House
Venus: 28 degrees, 17 minutes Capricorn in your 5th House
Mars: 18 degrees, 43 minutes Scorpio in your 3rdth House
Jupiter: 17 degrees, 06 minutes Gemini in your 10thrd House
Saturn: 8 degrees, 42 minutes Scorpio in your 3rd House
Uranus: 20 degrees, 39 minutes Cancer in your 11th House
Neptune: 26 degrees, 03 minutes Libra in your 3rd House
Pluto: 24 degrees, 20 minutes Leo in your 12th House
Chiron: 22 degrees, 49 minutes Capricorn in your 5th House
North Node of the Moon: 23 degrees, 41 minutes Capricorn in your 5th House
The most noticeable thing about your chart is the plethora of planets in your 5th house, which is the house of creativity. You have a quadruple conjunction, which is a rare and extremely powerful focus of the energies of the planets involved and you use that energy by seizing the initiative and expressing yourself creatively in practical ways. The four planets are your Sun (which is your energetic source), Mercury (symbolizing your mind, the way you perceive the physical dimension of space-time, your form of self-expression, and how well you communicate) , Venus (symbolizing yin energy, beauty, artistic endeavors, harmony, balance, and social graces), and Chiron (symbolizing the wounded healer and the psychic or spiritual wound you are attempting to heal in this lifetime). Add the North Node of the Moon (which symbolizes your soul’s purpose in this lifetime) to this quadruple conjunction and you’ve got an incredible powerhouse of creativity that you’re projecting into the world.
When you walk into a room, I’ll bet the conversation stops and people swivel their attention and focus it on you.
You have a T-square going on, which is an opposition between two or more planets (180 degrees apart) and a third planet that is square (90 degrees apart) to the planets that are in opposition. T-squares are challenging configurations to manage, so let’s work through yours a little bit.
The opposition planets to your quadruple conjunction are your Moon and Pluto which are conjunct each other in Leo, a fixed fire sign. The Moon symbolizes your emotional self and in Leo in the 11th house, she craves attention and approval from the members of the groups to which you belong. Pluto symbolizes the underworld and the will. Pluto is the most powerful and destructive force in the universe and is naturally associated with warfare and nuclear energy and bombs. Pluto adds intensity to your Moon which can be a good thing and a bad thing. I suspect that I don’t need to explain to you what that means and since your Moon-Pluto conjunction is opposed to your quadruple conjunction (and don’t forget the karmic and spiritual development aspect that’s tied up with your creative self-expression), you’re emotional intensity is at odds with your creative self-expression and your need to heal your wound and grow spiritually.
The good thing about a T-square is that the planet or planets that square the planets that are in opposition to each other function as a safety valve to release the tension in the opposition and point the way to a solving it. The planets are Neptune in Libra in your 2nd House, which is square to your Sun, Venus, Chiron, and the North Node of the Moon, and Saturn in Scorpio in your 3rd House, which is square to Mercury. Neptune symbolizes mysticism and dreams and many people have trouble handling its energy. Saturn is father time, stern and demanding (they are not in aspect to each other). I see a possible release of the tension in your opposition in your expression and communication of your fundamental values and principles. In other words, the key to healing your past wound and realizing your soul’s purpose in this lifetime is to harness and control your emotional intensity by creatively expressing your mystical and spiritual core beliefs, values, and principles. Make a canvass of yourself and express it fearlessly.
Sound like you?
That’s pretty damn close, PW.
I did a pretty decent job of harnessing my Plutonic intensity with my Saturnian organizational skills because in 30 years of trying cases, no opponent ever surprised me with an unexpected strategic move.
Happy New Year!
Then scroll on by.
Either it works for you or it doesn’t.
There is nothing to fear by trying it.
Come on back, if you ever change your mind.
Namaste.
Happy New Year!
The corruption sickens me to the core of my being and makes me fear the future because we need a fair and honest functioning judicial system, to avoid vigilante street justice and its attendant horrors.
“Lalebi” performed by The Shin (link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP_-7B0-Smc )
Mason,
It matches all the other tools I’ve looked at.
My Carlson’s Personality Profile results came out “Creative”, which matches up with my Myers-Briggs results, and even the same as a long ago handwriting analysis. Now, if I can just figure out the healing part, I’m good to go.
That would be great! a happy new moon to all the firepups.
“Now, if I can just figure out the healing part, I’m good to go.”
[PW butting in: Family? That was my first intuition. The seeming absence of fourth-house material, combined with the heavy role of the fifth, makes me wonder if something happened before you were born that you might have a part in solving or setting right.]
Thanks! Christy Moore would have a lot of fun with these blokes without having to say a word.
You’re welcome and here you go:
“Ordinary Man” performed by Christy Moore (plus a Margaret Thatcher joke) (link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsmAMKUIXbE )
Nice!
Here’s an early one of Christy singing “Cliffs of Dooneen”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c8kSbFxflY
I’m glad he’s still singing. :)
Sagittarius is on the cusp of the Fourth House that is naturally associated with Cancer, which is ruled by the Moon. Sue’s Moon is in Leo in the 12th House and Jupiter, which rules Sagittarius, is in Gemini in the 10th House. Her Moon and Jupiter are not in aspect with each other.
Sue’s Moon is approaching an exact conjunction with Pluto, (1A22) and her north node (0A43) while separating from an exact quincunx with Chiron in Capricorn in her 5th House (0S08).
Her Sun is approaching a sesquisquare with Jupiter (1A40).
The positions of the natural ruler (Moon) and chart ruler of the empty 4th House (Jupiter) of foundations, home, and hearth suggest to me some friction with a male authority figure and a conflict with a strong willed female authority figure.
I think this is a good illustration of the importance of client feedback in astrological counseling. The planets in their signs and houses and the aspects that they form with each other can only take us so far. We need feedback to get the rest of the way.
I have no doubt that a good professional astrologer interpreting a natal chart and transits can focus in on issues immediately and save a year or more of psychological or psychiatric counseling to get to the same place.
T-squares can pose life-long challenges unless you solve them, but when you do, the areas of your life that they affect become your defining strengths.
Again the solution will likely be the Moon-Pluto conjunction in Leo. I believe I forgot to mention that your natal Pluto is retrograde, which means the solution will take time to work through and manifest in your life.
Rayne,
Thanks for the cool photo up top.
Happy New Year!
Mundane astrology is a branch of astrology that I’m particularly interested in. Specifically, I’m referring to interpreting natal charts and transits for nations, so I’m thinking of working through an astrological analysis of the future for the United States. I did that back in 2005 projecting out to approximately 2022 and it wasn’t pretty.
Anyone interested in that?
That’s my favorite astrology site. The long range forecast is great.
Yes. Yes. Yes! My two favorite subjects…astrology and politics.
Sorry, was off doing something else.
Mason,
In regards to the solution taking a long time: You think?>g I suspect your knowing that a neighbor in the duplex I lived in, at one time growing up, was abducted, raped, and murdered would provide insight. Then when we moved, someone tried to molest me at the new area, but fortunately it was his first attempt. I told my Mom when I got back home, and police arrested him shortly after. There was one more sort of attempt at another place, when a driver stopped to offer me a ride as I walked home, moved forward when I said no, offered again, repeated, and then peeled out when he realized I was trying to read his license place. It is very hard for me to share and be comfortable with who I am. I’m improving, but there is a long way to go.
…and what did you see that was not pretty?
OK…here’s my question, O wise astrologer. I was born during one of those Jupiter/Uranus conjunctions, and it’s sitting at 1 Libra in my second house. The conjunction is well aspected by sun/mercury in my 12th and neptune/mars in my 4th. Yet, I’m broke. I’ve always been broke. *Gah* Why?
Money isn’t everything. It’s only a medium of exchange that promotes the existence of a marketplace where it can be used to purchase things instead of having to trade a hippo for camel.
It’s such a bloody nuisance to have to carry a hippo on your back to the camel store.
Beyond that it doesn’t really have much use and shouldn’t ever be allowed to become an end in itself.
Be satisfied if you have what you need.
As I pointed out upthread, the 2nd House is primarily about our basic set of fundamental values and principles by which we define ourselves. Money is included as a buzzword for the 2nd House because many people value money and measure their self worth and the worth of others by how much money they make and how wealthy they are.
Spiritually advanced people traveling their own path toward enlightenment don’t worship money or place much value on it except as a medium of exchange to compensate for work performed and to purchase necessary items. Being broke isn’t necessarily bad although it can be damned inconvenient. I know all about that. But I’m not unhappy. Money has no power over me because I choose not to give it power. Therefore, it lacks value in my life, other than it’s more convenient than rounding up a hippo to trade for a gun magazine at Walmart.
I don’t mean to suggest that expiring and inadequate unemployment compensation aren’t problems. They are, but that doesn’t elevate the importance of money to a fundamental value or principle in and of itself like the right to work and be paid a reasonable wage, for example.
Therefore, a favorable 2nd House doesn’t necessarily mean you’re going be making more money than Bill Gates or LeBron James.
There are spiritual leaders who are rich, but financially poor. Perhaps you are one of them.
I did not know any of those things. I was just reading your chart and what you said is helping to bring your life into better focus.
The power of the ancient art truly is mind blowing when you consider the implication that all of those events you describe are hinted at in your natal chart.
I still see Neptune in Libra as the pathway to solve the tension and conflict inherent in the T-square. And, Neptune is just a little over a degree away from the 3rd house cusp, which means that it might be in the 3rd House, unless you know that your birth time is exactly correct.
I don’t know if you’ve ever had a mystical experience, but I’m inclined to think that the mystical urge to dissolve and lose yourself in the One, which is so typical of Neptune’s tendency to dissolve old structures that stand in the way of necessary transformation and rebirth, is your key.
One must always be careful and respectful of Neptune’s energy and power which can confuse and lead people into addiction and even mental illness. But the strong who have a well developed sense of solidity are better able to handle a Neptunian transformation.
I know because I’ve been through it and experienced the delusions and illusions and came out stronger for it.
Astrology is not a parlor game!
“Both Sides Now” performed by Herbie Hancock (piano) (link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-vbWEB4gds )
Hi Mason,
Yes, that’s what I do mostly now, rather than individual charts. Which U.S. chart do you work with?
Of course it doesn’t work. But why should the far right have a monopoly on crackpottery? It also seriously brings into question the claims: “…I have a strong background in science and firmly believe in the scientific method and the scientific tradition…”
In fairness, most scientists don’t have a strong background in science beyond their specific field (for reasonable levels of “strong”). Much less lawyers. Infinitely less astrologers.
Do me! Do me! (hand waves up in air)
Nov. 15, 1949, Winston Salem NC 12:04pm
I am a left handed, southern scorpio. And I am named after the mom of Jebus. And my husband is a triple virgo.
Saturn/Pluto on the MC in Leo / containing the beginning and end of the alchemical opus from the blackening phase of the “calcinatio” (Saturn/Pluto) to gold and Leo. Scorpio rising also equates with the “calcinatio,” so I imagine the work of “soul making” occurring out in the world, meaning grappling with shadow material in oneself and others in one’s profession, criminal law. How apt. Also, the image of an old king. Or, could also mean a test of power. I think that was the main theme of “Two Towers” Lord of the Rings Trilogy, which was released during the Saturn Pluto opposition of 2002.
I don’t think you understand my point. It’s not that it doesn’t work for me – it doesn’t (and can’t) work for anyone except by pure coincidence or self-delusion. Read the link I posted if you’re not afraid of a critical appraisal of your bald assertion by someone (a professional astronomer) is well qualified to evaluate it.
As for the “scroll on by” comment – why should I? You posted this in an open forum and you have to accept comments from all comers. Furthermore, this post bothers me even more than the multitude of nonsensical tripe about Jeebus and Christianity that I see here. We (progressives) are ostensibly fighting to have evidence and critical reasoning be the guides by which public policy is determined. We take up this stance because we know that in a fair fight based on reason and evidence our side wins. When we accept descend into the irrational in any form whether it be traditional religion, New Age hooey or astrology we do damage to our cause. I am very disturbed by the number of folks whose opinions I have come to respect in these forums who apparaently take this bullshit seriously and know the particulars of their star charts or whatever they’re called.
If you had claimed that astrology was probably nonsense but fun to play around with I probably would have scrolled on by. But you not only claim that it works but that you are a “professional” in the field, presumably meaning you charge folks money for astrological readings which, in my opinion is fraud.
So, no, I will not scroll on by and I will challenge any and all assertions concerning the supernatural, the irrational and the ridiculous that I see in this forum.
Nothing personal by the way. I usually enjoy and agree with your posts and comments. Just not this one.
I think this is a good illustration of the importance of client feedback in astrological counseling. The planets in their signs and houses and the aspects that they form with each other can only take us so far. We need feedback to get the rest of the way.
I have no doubt that a good professional astrologer interpreting a natal chart and transits can focus in on issues immediately and save a year or more of psychological or psychiatric counseling to get to the same place.
Oh, indeed. It’s not something that is done in a vacuum, contrary to what a lot of people think.
With that Cancer rising, you’re probably very intuitive.
Mason, I think you have a hit here on your hands. Obviously the community is in need of more like this — probably refreshing to have some hope of change forecast for them rather than resigning themselves to certainty of no change at all.
If you’re bored and up to another post, maybe you could do a reading on the natal chart of this next session of Congress? ;-)
Absolutely! Please post something along that line…
That might be even more interesting than one of the future of the U.S.
I call myself a professional astrologer because of my level of knowledge and experience, but I’ve never charged anyone money.
I am familiar with the website you mentioned and occasionally go there to amuse myself by reading about the posts. I know all of the arguments against the validity of astrology, as I had already thought of most of them on my own.
My offer is still open to do your natal chart . . .
He may indeed have a “hit” but that’s not cause for celebration – just the opposite. Astrology is psuedoscientific nonsense. Read this link for a full explanation by a professional astronomer:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/astrology.html
Be assured that one can present many more slam-dunk debunkings of astrology including a full-scale scientific study that demolishes the notion that astrology has any validity whatsoever (linked to in the link I provided).
How do you expect this site to be taken seriously when arguing against allowing creationsism to be taught in public schools or fallacious economic arguments being used to promote the right-wing corporatist agenda when you encourage this type of material to be posted on this site? What are we going to be promoting next, alchemy to transmute solid waste into gold to solve our economic problems?
What are you going to say the next time a first lady consults an astrologer for advice on her husband’s job? The problem with buying into astrology is that since there’s no factual basis for it can be used to promote any agenda including those that are not socially beneficial. Do you really want to get into a pissing contest with the wing nuts about what the stars and planets say about economic policy, the war in Afghanistan or tax cuts for the rich? That’s the door you’re opening.
I find it very disturbing that this post is not only popular and that only one commenter other than myself has taken exception. It’s astounding to me that so many on this site know so much about their star charts and apparently give credence to them.
I urge you to reconsider your offer of encouragement to the original poster – nothing personal against him, I usually find myself in agreement with his posts and comments – but I can’t allow this to pass.
*Gah* Couldn’t you just say “Buy a lottery ticket”? The reason I ask is that I’m trying to manifest better finances and I don’t know what needs to change internally for that to happen. *Be happy with what you have* OK, then.
Seconded. Perhaps the chart of the Boehner with that?
The professional Astrology folks here are probably more familiar with the arguments against Astrology than you are. Part of *real* astrology is serious study.
I can’t speak for Mason, but as he said up top…who knows *why* astrology works. But it does. Perhaps you don’t take aspirin because we don’t know exactly why *it* works?
Beyond that, your points are valid…to a point. Should we here at the Lake discuss astrology seriously or does it hurt our credibility? Some of us have touched on the subject in the past. However, since Rayne is an editor here I suppose that’s a stamp of approval.
Mason,
I actually just don’t understand the comments about Neptune. If there is somewhere to turn for more ideas, I would appreciate it. I’ve been inching closer to just accepting who I am, which I’m inclined to think will make it easier on those around me.
I knew about the need for attention, but now knowing it is just part of me helps deal with it. I’ve kept wondering why I act that way on occasion. It tends to be an annoying part and I keep wanting it to go away.
I’m off today doing fun research, but look forward to reading more on this later.
Thank you very much for the time and information. I’m at a turning point and this might very well help me cross the bridge.
It is very interesting to see Mason looking at my birth date and time and location coming up with the same results as professionally administered personality tests. Since they are about me, I do know they and Mason’s results are accurate. Why? Who knows.
BTW…did you know that it is possible to study astrology at University? Yep. Some people take studying astrolgy very, very seriously.
Did you happen to read the diarist’s comment to those who don’t believe in astrology?
Scroll on by.
It’s that simple. Just like changing the channel on the television when programming you don’t like or believe in pops up on the screen. You’re also free to post your own anti-astrology content in a diary here at MyFDL, as long as it’s in compliance with the site’s rules.
And to folks who don’t like your comment or diary, I’d give the same advice: Did you happen to read the diarist’s comment to those who don’t believe in astrology?
Scroll on by.
“Personality” tests have their own issues with scientific validity. Furthermore, any agreement between astrological readings and such tests or subjective, personal evaluations is mots likely be a result of mere chance or vagueness in the criteria which is why, in science, it’s important to distinguish between correlation and cause. I strongly suggest you read the scientific study conducted on astrology which demonstrates why conclusions such as yours are scientifcally invalid.
“*real* astrology”
Is that like “real creationism” or “real alchemy”?
Just asking?
Did you happen to read my comment on why I wouldn’t scroll on by?
It’s interesting that you did not even attempt to address any of the substantive arguments in my comment. Obviously you have no meaningful reply to them.
Do me a favor – delete my account. I’m done with this site.
“We (progressives) are ostensibly fighting to have evidence and critical reasoning be the guides by which public policy is determined. We take up this stance because we know that in a fair fight based on reason and evidence our side wins.”
Another faith-based position! You seem a reasonable person so I am surprised that you can say this with a straight face. A large portion of the material posted to this site, not just this thread, involves rumor, stereotyping, cartooning of the opposition, and other anti-intellectual practices. There are exceptions, of course, but a lot of what we see posted involves continuous reaffirmations that “We on the Left are right!” To be fair, the exact same thing happens on Right-wing blogs.
OK, Victor. You asked for it.
As I explained in a comment that I posted within the last week to a piece by Jeff Kaye on Dr. Michael Welner, the darling of military prosecutors prosecuting alleged terrorists who are mostly innocent, and his exceedingly depraved Depravity Scale, by which he purports to measure and quantify the amount of evil in a person and predict their future dangerousness, I specialized in the forensic sciences, particularly DNA testing, when I was practicing law.
I was a chairman of the Forensic Committee of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers (NACDL) and the organization referred all inquiries to me by lawyers, media, and people from locations in the U.S. west of the Mississippi River. I also did a fair amount of consulting work on forensic issues in cases reviewing discovery materials, including benchnotes, and recommending appropriate experts and strategic avenues of investigation and attack. For example, Barry Scheck and Peter Neufeld consulted me on the O.J. case regarding PCR evidence and its admissibility in court because I had just persuaded a trial judge in a death penalty case in Washington State to exclude the results of RFLP and PCR tests against my client. I believe I am the only lawyer in the U.S. to have accomplished that feat in a death penalty case.
I also was a member of the defense team that defended Gary Ridgway, the Green River Killer who eventually pled guilty to the premeditated murders of 48 women in exchange for a life-without-parole sentence. I was in charge of all of the forensics. In 2004 the King County WA Bar Association awarded each of us their Lawyer of the the Year Award. At other times, I was specifically hired to cross examine prosecution experts at trial in big cases, including a death penalty trial in Spokane County, WA. In short, I made a decent living exposing frauds and convincing juries to disregard prosecution expert testimony.
I also co-founded Innocence Project Northwest at the University of Washington School of Law in Seattle and personally recruited forty lawyers in private practice to team-up with each other and law students to represent 17 innocent people wrongfully convicted of operating a sex ring out of a church basement in Wenatchee, WA, swapping their children for sex. This was the notorious Wenatchee Sex Ring case of the mid-nineties. We were eventually successful in destroying the credibility of experts who had expressed supposedly expert opinions that the children had suffered sexual abuse and through the use of forensic linguists and psychologists at the University of Washington we were able to establish that the children’s accusations were produced by planted memories and the written confessions of many of their parents were made up by police. All of our clients were freed from prison within five years and all of our lawyers worked for free.
The National Law Journal, a respected professional law journal, awarded Innocence Project Northwest its prestigious Pro Bono Award for the work that we did exposing the Wenatchee witch-hunt prosecution that was eerily reminiscent of the witch-hunt prosecutions in Salem, MA.
I also taught Wrongful Convictions in law school, which was heavy on the forensic sciences.
Please accept my heartfelt thanks for giving me this opportunity to shamelessly list a few of my science-related credentials. I suspect that I know a great deal more about science and law than you ever imagined. I’ll be happy to accept your apology for suggesting that I’m a fraud and don’t know anything about science. I hold no ill will toward you and generally agree with your other posts. In the spirit of the Golden Rule and the Gentle One who taught us to turn the other cheek, I’ll even offer to do your chart for free, assuming you’re willing to give it a try.
One more thing, Victor.
Don’t ever fuck with Scorpio Rising.
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I don’t get why he’s asking for his account to be “deleted”. Is he afraid that he’ll come back in a weak moment and risk engaging in discussion? Or is this just a tacit admission that he knows full well he’s coming back — and wants to be able to blame FDL for it (“they censored me by deleting my account!!!!!”)?
Ah, so because you can’t control the reader-submitted diaries on this site with an iron fist, you’re going to go Galt on us. Gotcha.
Fred,
Was I under the misapprehension that you don’t believe in free speech?
Why are you so afraid of astrology?
Why don’t you conduct an experiment and take me up on my offer to do your chart for free? You would then have a platform here at the lake from which to challenge the ancient art.
EDIT: I made two punctuation changes.
LOL! Umm, those aren’t scientific credentials.
The fact that you don’t realize those aren’t scientific credentials suggests your standard for what constitutes a “strong background in science” would include a LOT more people than my standard.
Your “credentials” do not lend any credence to your silly claims about astrology. Just out of curiosity… who TOLD you that you had a solid grasp of science?
He’s just possessed by the belief that nothing exists unless it can be reduced to its constituent parts, measured, quantified, and defined. You know, stuff like those old and exceedingly quaint ideas like consciousness and love that were all reduced to nothing more than chemical reactions and neurons firing in a brain trapped inside the darkness of a crypt made of bone.
Kepler College in Seattle, which is an accredited four-year educational institution of higher learning, offers BA degrees in Astrology.
Going to have to disagree with you here.
Diaries with an opinion/thesis statement don’t get a free pass from dissenting views just because the diarist asks “If you disagree, please go somewhere else.”
In fact, defense is essential to blogging in my point of view.
PW, don’t you know. There’s an obvious law of thermo-dynamics that makes it impossible for people to stay away from FDL as long as their account is active.
Fascinating post Mason, very cool, thanks! I’ve always been interested in astrology but have never taken the time to learn more…perhaps after I retire in a couple of years, and have more time, I will.
Too late for a request? Female, June 26, 1960, 3:24 AM, Alexandria VA. Thanks in advance if you have the time :-)
Come on, Victor. Show some class and knock it off.
I said I have a strong background in science and I provided examples of things that I did as a lawyer that could not have been done without a strong enough background in science to spot the right issues, ask the right questions, and find the right answers in any one or more of all of the forensic sciences. There are very few lawyers who can legitimately make that claim and effectively cross examine a scientist regarding a matter within his or her expertise because the vast majority of lawyers don’t have sufficient knowledge of the relevant science to match wits with them on their turf and defeat them. I was and still am one of the few who can do that.
I neither said, nor claimed to be a professional scientist with a Ph.D. in one of the hard, or soft sciences for that matter. I haven’t published articles in peer reviewed scientific journals, but I have published articles in professional law journals about the forensic sciences and, come to think of it, about twenty years ago the Harvard Journal of Law and Technology published a letter I wrote about the need for mandatory blind proficiency testing in forensic labs. I also organized and chaired a two-day continuing legal education national conference held in Minneapolis in the fall of 1999 or 2000 (can’t recall which year right now) sponsored by NACDL in the sciences.
So, for the last time, I have a strong background in the sciences. I’m not going to play the credentials game with you any longer and submit that issue to the readers for their informed decision.
My invitation to do your chart is still open.
Yes, of course. I meant that by inviting Mason to post again, the topic of astrology will not be discouraged here.
The issue of astrology is worth considering in the context of the Western world view, which is and has been predominantly masculine and dominated by materialistic science, devoid of soul, invisible forces, etc. We have all been influenced to one extent or another by it so I’m not surprised by the dismissive reaction. There’s a context for that denial. Knowing by more feminine modes as dream, reverie, imagination, and intuition, or altered states, are not considered valid in our epistemology. We are told that we live in a universe that is alien, disenchanted, and soulless, which flies in the face of what many people know and have experienced.
In a science that acknowledges only matter and not spirit or soul, only material forces exist. According to Newtonian principles, it is gravity that causes an apple to fall from the tree. The idea that cosmos and psyche are linked, or that distant planets can have any effect on human history or the human mind is absurd according to this world view.
To understand astrology requires a radically different world view, that cosmos and psyche are related and interact with one another, that everything in the material world is a manifestation of principles or archetypes that are not material. That the earth and planets are living beings.
The Western scientific world view has a problem with astrology in part because it only recognizes one kind of causation, like the example of gravity I just gave. There are no “rays” no material agent coming from planets that travel across space that creates effects in us. Astrology works because of “archetypal causation.” That means the “ten thousand things” as the Chinese say are a manifestation of the archetypes and when the planets align, what occurs in that moment shares the qualities of the planetary archetypes that are operative in that moment.
Mason -
The problem with your assertions (and the apparent support you have in this thread) is as fredcdobbs suggests: By endorsing “magical thinking” you undermine the progressive left’s claim to rationality.
You may be a very nice man and you may be a very successful lawyer but you stand opposed to science and the scientific community about astrology. Every time you reinforce false beliefs that others hold about astrology on this forum, you do violence to the progressive cause.
You are wrong and you are harming those who listen to you.
Actually, astrology is an interdisciplinary study that includes astronomy, geography, mathematics, mythology, history, etc. It is quite detailed and complex.
Kelly, this is my diary and I didn’t tell anyone to “If you disagree, please go somewhere else.” I have no problem with free speech and the right of anyone to dissent. This is what I said regarding the ancient art of Astrology in my piece:
“Don’t ask me why it works; it just does, and I have studied and used the ancient art to good effect throughout my life. I make no apology for my interest, so if you hate astrology, please scroll on by.”
Here is the exchange from upthread:
Fredcdobbs said,
“Don’t ask me why it works; it just does”
Ummm – no it doesn’t:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/astrology.html
I replied,
Then scroll on by.
Either it works for you or it doesn’t.
There is nothing to fear by trying it.
Come on back, if you ever change your mind.
Namaste.
When he and Victorx criticized Astrology and Victorx called me a fraud and challenged my statement that I have a “strong background in science,” which is actually irrelevant anyway since neither I nor anyone else here is claiming to know a scientific basis for Astrology, I politely responded and also offered to do their natal charts because, as I said up top, the issue is whether Astrology works for the individual person, as many of us here claim that it does for us.
No one is attempting to stifle free speech or dissent here, except those who assert that Astrology and discussions about it should be banned from this site. I respect what you have to say and based on the high opinion that I have formed regarding you, I doubt that you would support banishing discussions about Astrology by people who are interested in discussing the ancient art. People who are hostile to Astrology certainly are free to dissent or scroll on by. However, for the sake of politeness and respect for others, angry accusatory denunciations of Astrology and those of us who express an interest in it because it “lacks a scientific basis” are more in the nature of mean-spirited drive-by trolling motivated by a desire to derail discussion rather than seriously engage in discussion since we have conceded that point.
I’d be delighted to do your natal chart too, if you are interested. I’ve never charged anyone any money to do a chart and I won’t charge you.
If it doesn’t work for you, come on back and tell us.
We don’t bite.
Accreditation is an important (and surprisingly low) standard of academic quality and Kepler College is NOT accredited. From Kepler College’s website:
http://www.kepler.edu/home/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=142:are-you-accredited&catid=7:general-information&Itemid=121
“Was your degree program accredited?”
“No. Kepler College was authorized by the Higher Education Coordinating Board of Washington to grant AA, BA and MA degrees from March 9, 2000 through March 9, 2010. Although this type of authorization is called “accreditation” in some States (for example, Connecticut), this is not the same as national or regional accreditation recognized by the Federal government.”
I can imagine a legitimate university course (of dubious value) that studies the _history_ of astrology, but not the _practice_ of astrology.
Any program or course that teaches the _practice_ of astrology as though it were something real is harmful to rational thought and doesn’t belong at a legitimate university.
Mason -
I never called you a fraud.
I implied that you were a crackpot. I reject any claims you make to scientific competence. I believe that you are harming this site’s progressive message by revealing the depth of silly things that people on this site believe. I know with certainty that you are wrong about astrology “working”.
But I never called you a fraud.
Victorx,
You said,
“Of course it doesn’t work. But why should the far right have a monopoly on crackpottery? It also seriously brings into question the claims: “…I have a strong background in science and firmly believe in the scientific method and the scientific tradition…”
In fairness, most scientists don’t have a strong background in science beyond their specific field (for reasonable levels of “strong”). Much less lawyers. Infinitely less astrologers.”
Sorry, I guess I misinterpreted that comment as an accusation that I was a fraud.
Thanks, Victor.
Glad we got that straightened out.
Synchronicity is the experience of two or more events that are apparently causally unrelated occurring together in a meaningful manner. To count as synchronicity, the events should be unlikely to occur together by chance. The concept of synchronicity was first described by Swiss psychologist Carl Gustav Jung in the 1920s.[1]
The concept does not question, or compete with, the notion of causality. Instead, it maintains that just as events may be grouped by cause, they may also be grouped by their meaning. Since meaning is a complex mental construction, subject to conscious and subconscious influence, not every correlation in the grouping of events by meaning needs to have an explanation in terms of cause and effect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity
Astrology might work because of Synchronicty
Whether Astrology does work is valid and scientific studies should be done but the idea the concept is impossible well its no more implausible from a Newtoian physics stand point than the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.
In quantum mechanics, the Heisenberg uncertainty principle states by precise inequalities that certain pairs of physical properties, such as position and momentum, cannot be simultaneously known to arbitrarily high precision. That is, the more precisely one property is measured, the less precisely the other can be measured.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle
Kelly, Fred isn’t merely disagreeing, he’s calling for the outright banning of reader diaries on the subject. That’s what gets at me.
Mercury (at 21 degrees 31 minutes in Sagittarius) is approaching an exact square to Jupiter and Uranus in Pisces, so you might want to keep your computer or pen and paper handy today to keep track of what your brain is doing because new ideas regarding spirituality, travel, higher education, and your search for knowledge will be popping up faster than you can keep track of them.
http://my.firedoglake.com/thingscomeundone/2011/01/05/ideas-to-clean-up-the-gulf-and-make-a-profit/
http://my.firedoglake.com/thingscomeundone/2011/01/04/no-taxation-without-representation-or-citizenship/
Not a bad 2 days for diaries Mason I had the ideas for these diaries in my head for weeks but yesterday everything came together. This is not definitive proof astrology works it might be a placebo effect but thats why scientists do double blind studies. Put me on the side I think it works but can’t prove it yet.
Yes, I agree with everything you said.
I noticed that you mentioned “cosmos and psyche.” Have you read Cosmos and Psyche by Richard Tarnas? I regard it as one of my favorite books of all time. I’ve read it several times and keep it handy to refer to as the need arises or the spirit moves me.
Welcome to the WTF Club.
Dem chemicals are a mixin’ and a blendin’, and dem neurons are a sparkin’ and a firin’ up a storm inside our bony skulls, ain’t dey?
Bah, humbug.
Must be a coincidence.
It’s easy to lose one’s place in the nested comments, so I’ll clarify here:
I was replying to Rayne, with the comment that has two “Scroll on by” statements in it, which were in support of, if not actually endorsing the last clause in the first graf of this diary.
All I am saying is that diaries don’t get a free pass for only-comments-in-support just because the diarist asks for that.
Defense of a statement/opinion/theory is an integral part of blogging and “turn the channel, scroll on by” statements just don’t pass muster with me.
My comment was a response to Peony 6 or so comments upthread.
Mundane astrology is a branch of astrology that I’m particularly interested in. Specifically, I’m referring to interpreting natal charts and transits for nations, so I’m thinking of working through an astrological analysis of the future for the United States. I did that back in 2005 projecting out to approximately 2022 and it wasn’t pretty.
Anyone interested in that?
Yes! lets double the game we give you dates of nations we don’t tell you which ones you tell us the software you use so the skeptics can verify the results and then we track the important events based on what you project with the various nations history.
Obviously more details to make this study more academically useful will need to be thought out more.
No one here has an obligation to reply to a comment which clearly stated their personal objections to the content of the diary.
If somebody doesn’t like something, fine, comment within the site’s rules. But don’t expect or demand anybody provide a rebuttal.
And the rebuttal that I offer in this case is “Scroll on by.”
Not a fraud… just hopelessly wrong.
And maybe crazy ;)
I can imagine a legitimate university course (of dubious value) that studies the _history_ of astrology, but not the _practice_ of astrology.
Any program or course that teaches the _practice_ of astrology as though it were something real is harmful to rational thought and doesn’t belong at a legitimate university.
Victor,
A lot of people think religion isn’t “real”. Should it not be studied? Does talking about religion — which happens a lot here — make FDL’s reader diaries or FDL itself more or less legitimate (whatever that may mean) in your view?
Well, I would never presume to be so pretentious as to speak for Rayne, who is certainly able to speak for herself, but as the “diarist,” and you used that word, I want everyone to know that I believe in free speech and the right to dissent or disagree with others. Also, I haven’t taken any of the criticism expressed here personally, even though I have firmly carved lines in the sand marking my boundaries as any Scorpio or Scorpio Rising will do. Let the record be clear: By “scroll on by” I mean that a person is under no obligation to read a diary or a comment with which they disagree. Further, if they disagree, they are welcome to comment and dissent.
They have. We have had our little discussion and I have offered to do their natal charts, as I have offered to do yours, so that we can have a discussion here in this open forum regarding the accuracy and usefulness of the natal chart interpretation.
I don’t believe there is anything more to say. The challenge has been issued and the ball, as they say, is in their, and your, court.
OK, I’m done with the distractions. let’s get back to some charts.
Uhm, I never claimed to be sane;)
Many if not most of the studies cited (the studies featuring twins, either actual siblings or persons born on the same date) seem to make the assumption that astrology as currently practiced holds that the stars and only the stars have any influence over human behavior. Yet as Mason has already pointed out, astrologers are more than willing to acknowledge the roles of environment, upbringing and DNA in human life.
” If we knew what we were doing, we wouldn’t call it research.”
Albert Einstein
If you believe that the human brain has distinct intellect centers; Spatial, Creative,Mathematical, Abstract, Emotional, Spiritual then to refuse to research one intellect is intellectually crippling.
IMO
I scrolled up the tread and found pending requests for natal charts from Phoenix Woman, Mary McCurnin, and LoudounLib.
To minimize waiting time, I propose to post only the chart details first and then tackle the interpretations in subsequent comments.
Did I miss anyone?
Believe it or not, I’m on the fence over it. (I would not be surprised to find, for instance, that hormones released by the mother at particular times of the year might be the basis for effects that astrologers see as coming from the sky.)
On the one hand, it could be nothing more than “cold reading”, perhaps combined with actual physical effects (such as seasonal hormonal changes in the mother, as posited above); on the other hand, true cold reading is practiced in the presence of the person one is trying to “read”, so as to pick nonverbal cues. As I mentioned below, astrologers do indeed take non-astrological factors into consideration; they do not claim that the stars and the stars alone determine existence. Of course, the very act of making allowances for such things is one of the things that leads to charges of “cold reading”!
Mason, I’ve resisted attempts and offers to have my chart done for decades.
I’m ready now, if you have time.
female
May 22,1954 2:10 pm.
Milwaukee, Wis.
Victor:
What if Mason, instead of claiming to be an astrologer, claimed instead to be a Presbyterian minister — and this thread, instead of being about astrology, was about the healing power of prayer?
Mason and@ Peony 10:43
In won’t hurt to have a little open mindness, even. Never be too sure…
Peony…………”Knowing by more feminine modes as dream, reverie, imagination, and intuition, or altered states, are not considered valid in our epistemology”
I never could just quite see fit to discount completely, the idea of Astrology, ( not with standing very scant familiarity with it ie: hearsay from and bits and pieces) . I lump it in with cosmology, astronomy, physics, quarks and neutrinos…
I don’t know any astrology, but fleeting exposures over the years, to maybe some metaphysics, including off beat readings like Gurgeff and Ouspenski… Carl Jung’s “Synchronicity”; or Stephen Hawking’s “a short history of time.” Others, who seem to point to an ultimate nonrational plane, where the observable universe and what is physical and immediate, or measurable intersects with dream states, and dimensional ambiguities. As we were brought up on quality tv like “ Twilight Zone”
P……………….”The idea that cosmos and psyche are linked”
So at the very least, ancient intuitions and observations should be afforded a respect, and further, should have a value, as a kind of organizing system, or learning system for astronomy, learning the names of stars, as they are given lyrical mythical significance in name… so to understand more, the stories and the relationships between the stars and the earth and the myth and man, has a value, that helps, to protect and to balance the psyche from a terrible sterility of the applied sciences and isolation of the soul, from… [mental... monoculture] under exploitative… [ corporate rule.] That leaps a bit, but I hope it is germane.
P…………….”In a science that acknowledges only matter and not spirit or soul”
P…………………”that everything in the material world is a manifestation of principles or archetypes that are not material”
That reminds me of what I read once about philosophers who argued which came first… Existence or Essence? And I suppose they were both right,
I’d ask you a question on your last paragraph when you say… P….“ There are no “rays” no material agent coming from planets that travel across space that creates effects in us. Astrology works because of “archetypal causation.” That means the “ten thousand things” as the Chinese say are a manifestation of the archetypes and when the planets align, what occurs in that moment shares the qualities of the planetary archetypes that are operative in that moment.
How do you think about the way light bends when it goes by a big space object, and what they call red shift, and might as well throw in a theory that space is a thing called “ether” so it is both nothing and something at the same time, or ???
(Depends on your deffinition of time there.)
Are modern science theorists worse than the astrologers? cause that could be too, just saying. Could just be… “they never did go to the moon, all done in a sound sage…. ‘Come in Houston’”
Thanks for the entertainment here today.
He has been engaging both Fred and Victor. Unfortunately, they both want him banned rather than take him up on his offer to do their charts.
Openhope asked for one just now. :-)
And thanks.
Mason, I just put the data for today’s New Republican House into astrodienst… and posted it on flickr.com
I used Porphyry houses; you may use a different house system, but I like that one, because it makes sense to me.
Feel free to use it, if you like, for your possible post on the topic. Interestingly, nearly everything is above the horizon, in the 9th & 10th houses, except for Jupiter/Uranus in the 12th, Saturn in the 6th and Venus in the 8th. I do like that Saturn in the 6th… there may be some “unity” issues.
A great chart for visibility… not so much for any generosity.
I forgot to mention that all of the house cusps are for their own signs, too.
Jung used in astrology in his practice. He noted that reciprocity between sun and moon signs, or between sun and rising signs made for better partnerships.
Let’s give it up for Phoenix Woman:
Phoenix Woman
DOB: June 1, 1964
PLACE: St. Paul, MN
TIME: 0137 hours
Sun: 10 degrees, 47 minutes Gemini in your 3rd House
Moon: 15 degrees, 14 minutes Aquarius in your 12th House
Ascendant or 1st House cusp (Rising Sign): 03 degrees, 45 minutes Pisces
Natal Ruler (the planetary ruler of the sign on the Ascendant, which is Pisces): Neptune, which is in Scorpio in your 8th House (see below) and disposited by Pluto in Virgo in your 7th House (see below). Note: a planet disposits, or gets to use the energy of another planet, when it rules the sign in which that planet is located. Pluto, the modern ruler of Scorpio, disposits Neptune because Neptune is in Scorpio.
Midheaven or 10th House cusp: 17 degrees, 03 minutes Sagittarius
Descendant or the 7th House cusp: 03 degrees, 5 minutes Virgo
Nadir or the 4th House cusp: 17 degrees, 03 minutes Gemini
Mercury: 17 degrees, 15 minutes Taurus in your 2nd House
Venus: 06 degrees, 42 minutes retrograde in Cancer in your 4th House
Mars: 18 degrees, 17 minutes Taurus in your 2nd House
Jupiter: 11 degrees, 46 minutes Taurus in your 2nd House
Saturn: 04 degrees, 52 minutes Pisces in your 1st House
Uranus: 06 degrees, 04 minutes Virgo in your 7th House
Neptune: 15 degrees, 48 minutes Scorpio retrograde in your 8th House
Pluto: 11 degrees, 36 minutes Virgo in your 7th House
Chiron: 18 degrees, 36 minutes Pisces in your 1st House
North Node of the Moon: 03 degrees, 17 minutes Cancer retrograde in your 4th House
Chart Shape: Splay
Planets and points are predominantly in the 4 mutable signs (Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces)
Roger, got it.
Yup, and the mother-daughter team who gave us the Myers-Briggs test were adherents of his.
Not exactly warm and fuzzy, that chart. Can’t seem to enlarge the aspect chart enough to see the details, but it looks like Sun is most elevated.
LOL. Sanity is *so* overrated.
If you’re still doing readings, Mason, I’d be interested in seeing what you come up with for me. All I know so far is that I’m a Leo (in Western astrology, and a Rooster in Chinese astrology). My birth certificate and I are ready if you are.
Side note: I’m an atheist and a rationalist, and I don’t believe that astrology could possibly work, but I find it fascinating nonetheless, both via objective sociological observation and via suspension of disbelief. I’m much more interested in seeing what you can do than in trying to prove you wrong. There are plenty of rationalists and skeptics who have this kind of interest in things they absolutely reject as literal truth. For example, the science fiction and fantasy writer L. Sprague de Camp was formidable skeptic and debunker in his nonfiction work, but he constantly used magic in his sword-and-sorcery fiction.
Curiosity wins out over hostility every time.
I look at it this way:
There are plenty of medicines that, when taken to alleviate one condition (say, for instance, high blood pressure or schizoid behavior), may end up enhancing or aggravating it. Does that mean the medicine “doesn’t work”? Or does it mean that there are unknown conditions that might be affecting how the medicine works?
I have seen lots of astrological-based predictions that “didn’t work”. But I’ve also gone up to a person who was dominant beyond what her years would normally entail, had dark circles under her eyes, was a very hard worker, and had a rather mild-mannered husband, and said to her point-blank: “You are a Capricorn.” And she was. I had known her for a total of twenty minutes at that point.
Absolutely. Despite the focus on Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama, all three branches of government are currently engaged in what amounts to a slow-motion auto-coup.
Whoa! All these folks in the waiting room. Sorry folks I’ve been remiss …
These folks kinda blew my mind with the clever, tongue-in-cheek Flamenco/Rap/Fusion combo and fun visuals.
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On the contrary, I don’t want him banned at all!
I am a centrist and this thread makes the progressive left look as absurd, superstitious and anti-intellectual as the far right :D
A test:
1. Do you understand science?
2. Do you believe in astrology?
3. Are you sane?
The highest score possible on this exam is 2. It is not possible for a person to be sane, scientific and believe in astrology. Period. Put another way, honestly saying that you believe in astrology (as opposed to just thinking its fun) is the logical equivalent of saying, “I am either unscientific, insane, or both”
A second test:
1. Do you understand science?
2. Are you religious?
3. Are you sane?
The highest score possible on this exam is 3. That is, a person can be sane, religious, and scientific – even if you or I happen to disagree with their Theology. There are many, many examples of people who score 3 (a quick look at the list of Nobel Prize winners in the sciences will give you some examples).
That’s the difference:
Religion = Who knows?, Astrology = Bunk.
Phoenix -
Do you think this is something that Mason is likely to say?
This thread is comedy GOLD!
Mary McCurnin
DOB: November 15, 1949
PLACE: Winston Salem, NC
TIME: 12:04 pm
Sun: 23 degrees, 00 minutes Scorpio in your 10th House
Moon: 19 degrees, 29 minutes Virgo in your 8th House
Ascendant or 1st House cusp (Rising Sign): 02 degrees, 56 minutes Aquarius
Natal Ruler (the planetary ruler of the sign on the Ascendant, which is Pisces): Uranus, which is in Cancer in your 5th House (see below) and disposited by your Moon in Virgo in your 8th House (see above). Note: a planet disposits, or gets to use the energy of another planet, when it rules the sign in which that planet is located. The Moon disposits Uranus because Uranus is in Cancer.
Midheaven or 10th House cusp: 22 degrees, 36 minutes Scorpio
Descendant or the 7th House cusp: 02 degrees, 56 minutes Leo
Nadir or the 4th House cusp: 22 degrees, 36 minutes Taurus
Mercury: 19 degrees, 23 minutes Scorpio in your 9th House
Venus: 10 degrees, 05 minutes in Capricorn in your 12th House
Mars: 10 degrees, 49 minutes Virgo in your 7th House
Jupiter: 27 degrees, 21 minutes Capricorn in your 12th House
Saturn: 17 degrees, 41 minutes Virgo in your 8th House
Uranus: 04 degrees, 28 minutes retrograde in Cancer in your 5th House
Neptune: 16 degrees, 15 minutes Libra in your 8th House
Pluto: 18 degrees, 11 minutes Leo in your 7th House
Chiron: 10 degrees, 14 minutes Sagittarius in your 11th House
North Node of the Moon: 14 degrees, 33 minutes retrograde in Aries in your 2nd House
Chart Shape: Locomotive with lead planet Uranus
Planets and points are predominantly in the 4 fixed signs (Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, and Aquarius) and the earth signs (Taurus, Virgo, and Capricorn) and water signs (Cancer, Scorpio, and Pisces). Fire signs are weak.
Sun and Pluto are in Mutual Reception (each is in the sign ruled by the other)
Jupiter is in Fall
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Hi Ever hear of the Brotherhood of Light / Church of Light out in Albuquerque N.Mexico?
Loudoun Lib
DOB: June 26, 1960
PLACE: Alexandria, VA
TIME: 3:24 am
Sun: 04 degrees, 40 minutes Cancer in your 2nd House
Moon: 28 degrees, 17 minutes Cancer in your 3rd House
Ascendant or 1st House cusp (Rising Sign): 27 degrees, 15 minutes Taurus
Natal Ruler (the planetary ruler of the sign on the Ascendant, which is Pisces): Venus, which is in Cancer in your 2nd House (see below) and disposited by your Moon in Cancer in your 3rd House (see above). Note: a planet disposits, or gets to use the energy of another planet, when it rules the sign in which that planet is located. The Moon disposits Venus because Venus is in Cancer.
Midheaven or 10th House cusp: 03 degrees, 2 minutes Pisces
Descendant or the 7th House cusp: 27 degrees, 15 minutes Scorpio
Nadir or the 4th House cusp: 05 degrees, 59 minutes Leo
Mercury: 28 degrees, 14 minutes Cancer in your 3rd House
Venus: 05 degrees, 40 minutes in Cancer in your 2nd House
Mars: 04 degrees, 18 minutes Taurus in your 12th House
Jupiter: 27 degrees, 56 minutes retrograde in Sagittarius in your 8th House
Saturn: 15 degrees, 55 minutes retrograde in Capricorn in your 9th House
Uranus: 18 degrees, 35 minutes in Leo in your 4th House
Neptune: 06 degrees, 29 minutes retrograde in Scorpio in your 6th House
Pluto: 04 degrees, 01 minutes Virgo in your 5th House
Chiron: 02 degrees, 05 minutes retrograde in Pisces in your 10th House (but only slightly more than one degree away from the 11th House cusp at 03 minutes, 42 minutes in Pisces)
North Node of the Moon: 19 degrees, 20 minutes retrograde in Virgo in your 5th House
Chart Shape: Seesaw
Planets in rulership (i.e., the signs that they rule): Moon in Cancer, Jupiter in Sagittarius, and Saturn in Capricorn.
Planets in Accidental Dignity: Mercury and Venus
Planets in Detriment (i.e., opposite the sign it rules): Uranus
Edit: Corrected typo on the time of birth. Doesn’t affect anything else in the chart as I worked with the correct time when I cast the chart.
Oh, exactly. Lovecraft, for instance, was a thoroughgoing materialist (his own term for himself), yet he was extremely interested in the symbolic uses of astrology and magic and various belief systems.
I was once a practicing Professional astrologer myself and am still a 40 yr. member of a Hermetic Brotherhood ( The Church of Light) now in Albuquerque , New Mexico. I joined when it was headquartered in LA back in the early 70′s. I still use the tarot @ times and read my own charts but no longer do it professionally. Thanks for the great post. Sometimes the left is a bit to materialistic for my taste and it’s good we have articles here on art and food and astrology all of these subjects deepen the humanistic side of our culture. To try and understand astrology within the rather narrow confines of material science is why you get so many here that want to lump astrology with religion or God forbid creationism etc. Although it’s little known today, but long before our present understanding of science the Hermetic sciences existed and laid the basis for today’s so called material sciences. Astrology is ridiculed by these people because they don’t understand how deeply it’s rooted in many of the world’s cultures even today.
I wonder how many of the people that come here realize how deeply for instance Masonic principles have been applied to the founding of this country and I wonder how many here know that Masonry itself rests on ancient Hermetic principles that sit on top of Astrological lore and knowledge? Ridiculing what they don’t understand is sadly to often the response even here.
Open Hope
DOB: May 22, 195
PLACE: Milwaukee, WI
TIME: 2:10 pm
Sun: 01 degrees, 10 minutes Gemini in your 9th House
Moon: 27 degrees, 30 minutes Capricorn in your 4th House
Ascendant or 1st House cusp (Rising Sign): 03 degrees, 29 minutes Libra
Natal Ruler (the planetary ruler of the sign on the Ascendant, which is Pisces): Venus, which is in Gemini in your 9th House (see below) and disposited by your Mercury, which also is in Gemini (one of two signs that it rules – the other is Virgo) in your 9th House (see above). Note: a planet disposits, or gets to use the energy of another planet, when it rules the sign in which that planet is located. Mercury disposits Venus because Venus is in Gemini.
Midheaven or 10th House cusp: 04 degrees, 08 minutes Cancer
Descendant or the 7th House cusp: 03 degrees, 29 minutes Aries
Nadir or the 4th House cusp: 04 degrees, 08 minutes Capricorn
Mercury: 16 degrees, 46 minutes Gemini in your 9th House
Venus: 29 degrees, 03 minutes in Gemini in your 9th House
Mars: 08 degrees, 31 minutes stationary and about to go retrograde in Capricorn in your 4th House
Jupiter: 29 degrees, 42 minutes in Gemini in your 9th House
Saturn: 04 degrees, 10 minutes retrograde in Scorpio in your 2nd House
Uranus: 20 degrees, 19 minutes in Cancer in your 10th House
Neptune: 23 degrees, 45 minutes retrograde in Libra in your 1st House
Pluto: 22 degrees, 36 minutes Leo in your 11th House
Chiron: 28 degrees, 28 minutes retrograde in Capricorn in your 4th House
North Node of the Moon: 17 degrees, 14 minutes retrograde in Capricorn in your 4th House
Chart Shape: Locomotive with the Sun as your lead planet
Heavy emphasis on planets in cardinal signs (Aries, Cancer, Libra, and Capricorn), but weak on fire signs (Aries, Leo, and Sagittarius)
Planets in rulership (i.e., the signs that they rule): Mercury in Gemini
Planets in Accidental Dignity: Moon and Jupiter
Planets in Detriment (i.e., in signs opposite the signs that they rule): Moon in Capricorn and Jupiter in Gemini
Planets in Exaltation (i.e., the sign in which they are most comfortable): Mars in Capricorn
Final Dispositor (disposits all of the other planets): Mercury in Gemini
Okay, so there at last we have the information in the four natal charts that I promised at 12:28 pm.
Sorry, it took so long.
Sebastos, give it your birthdate, place and time of birth and I’ll do yours too.
Might take awhile, but I’ll get there eventually.
Hi Mason!
Born 1957-07-25 in Selma, Alabama.
I just realized that the birth certificate only has a date, not a time of day!
Mason, thank you so much for taking the time to do this, much appreciated! Could you point me in the direction of a publication or something where I could analyze what this all means?
Oh, and chart shape: seesaw — that sounds scary, or maybe even fun!
I’m not sure if i should laugh or cry because of this thread, it’s too silly to get angry about. I had my chart done in ’69 and found that i was Born Under A Bad Sign and if it wasn’t for bad luck, i wouldn’t have no luck at all.
I know this is a harmless diversion but do you wonder why some call people on the left ” fucking retards”
It is funny that an old Wizard can still get the ladies excited by doing their readings. Nancy Reagan used it to choose special dates for Ronnie so i guess it isn’t just a leftie thing.
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Well, it’s your right to feel that way and express your feelings, but I think you’re missing the point. If you’re looking for something eminently worthy of both rage and ridicule, check out this link upstairs:
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2011/01/05/scalia-kills-corporate-personhood/
Mason,
please do my chart with interpretations of what the placements mean.
New York City
2:43 am, war time
9 January 1943
Woman
Thanks Mason. Now I have to find out what all of that means.
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Phoenix Woman
Major focal point: You have a stellium, or three planet conjunction in Taurus in your 2nd House between Mercury, Mars, and Jupiter, that is deliciously opposed by dreamy Neptune in Scorpio in your 8th House. Your Moon, which is marching to the beat of a different drummer that no one else can hear, is in Aquarius in your mystical 12th House and it joins the opposition party by forming a square to the stellium and to Neptune. Congratulations, my friend. You have a truly mystical T-square to play with in this lifetime!
Now that we know that God doesn’t like you . . . Er, just kidding, of course, but I’ll bet that it felt that way and you and your family and friends must have wondered WTF is up with PW? But, I have a feeling that you tamed and mastered the energies of that T-square and turned it into a positive.
Let’s take a closer look at it and start with the Neptune opposition to the stellium.
The stellium is in Taurus, a fixed earth sign that is the most grounded sign in the zodiac and in the 2nd House of money, values and possessions. Mercury in Taurus in the 2nd House suggests a mind that is organized, conservative, quick thinking, and ingenious about making money. Competitive and aggressive Mars in Taurus slows down, which the god of war hates, and becomes highly focused, unrelenting, and stubborn possibly with a competitive attitude about money. Jupiter in Taurus desires abundance and searches for the truth while building self-esteem through values that promote learning, knowledge, and possibly possessions.
Now let’s consider the Neptune opposition to the stellium. Neptune is in 8th House Scorpio, which is the house naturally associated with Scorpio, just as Taurus is the sign naturally associated with the 2nd House. The 8th House and Scorpio are concerned with sex, death, transformation, and other people’s money. Neptune’s urge in Scorpio and the 8th House to merge, transcend, and evolve to a higher level of consciousness keeps calling to the material girl symbolized by the powerful stellium in Taurus and telling her that she needs to change, but she doesn’t want to. Yet she can’t help herself and this frustrates the hell out of her.
Okay, the tightest orb is between Mercury and Neptune (1S26) and indicates a difficulty perceiving and thinking clearly that may have resulted in quite a lot of self-doubt and negativism that led you to rely on other people too much. The opposition to Mars probably had you yo-yo-ing back and forth between getting impatient and asserting yourself but then backing off into dreamland and mystery leaving your friends befuddled and confused. The Jupiter-Neptune opposition suggests the presence of a strong and fertile imagination that knows no bounds. Oppositions require balancing to solve and I see the material girl striking a balance between the grounded and practical material girl by possibly becoming an artist, or promoting artists.
Now let’s take a look at your Moon in Aquarius and see what’s going on there. Moon in Aquarius distrusts emotions and seeks emotional security through higher intellect, or being smarter than everyone else. As I’ve said elsewhere, the energetic solution to solving T-squares often is found through the planet that squares the planets in opposition to each other. Therefore, the answer to the dilemma presented by your T-square is to develop emotional security through the use of your intellect and to balance the opposition between the material girl and her urge to merge in order to transcend herself by using your superior intellect and emotional stability to balance those needs in activities that satisfy both needs.
Use your creative energy, symbolized by your Sun in Gemini in the 3rd House to put that solution into effect and you will have created a monster, a good monster to be sure, but a monster nevertheless in the sense that you cannot and will not be denied or defeated.
You also have a powerful Uranus-Pluto conjunction in Virgo in your 7th House of relationships and partnerships that provides willpower and sudden unexpected change to fuel your transformation.
Sound like you?
There is no such thing as a bad sign in Astrology.
Check back in an hour because I’m working on interpreting yours next.
As Peony said upthread at 10:43 am, modern Astrology is the study of the expression of creative energy through archetypes that are symbolized by the planets, signs, and houses.
Mason, I haven’t been able to find a time of birth on my birth certificate. I recall being told I was born in the early morning hours (I think it was around 3:00am Central time), but I have no way of verifying that recollection. Will the lack of an exact time of birth be a deal-breaker?
BTW, my gender is ♂.
So James Bond had nothing to worry about? :-)
Mason,
I have great respect for Rick’s work. Cosmos and Psyche is definitely one of my favorite books of all time and I regard it as indispensable for understanding the archetypal dynamics driving history and current events. His “Prometheus, the Awakener” is the best thing I’ve ever read about Uranus and is certainly timely now given the monumental Uranus Pluto square. I met Rick at Esalen in CA and later did a workshop with him and Stan Grof there, which I will never forget. Their course “Cosmos and Psyche” at CIIS, most popular class at the school.
Someone on the thread mentioned that astrology and science are mutually exclusive, which makes me smile. Rick organized a conference in February, 1997 in San Francisco during the Jupiter Uranus conjunction that brought physicists together with astrologers, although the designations were interchangeable. There was so much energy in the air I couldn’t sleep all night.
Close enough for government work, Mason. :-)
Merc in Taurus, in my case, also lends itself to “Oliver Goldsmith Syndrome”; that is, being much, much better at written than verbal expression, particularly in my youth. The extra time afforded by typing rather than speaking words helps me to organize my thoughts better before expressing them. (I don’t really remember not knowing how to read, because I could do so well before my third birthday. Yet springing multisyllabic words on one’s age peers was not the most effective way for a toddler to make friends. And scaring waitresses by reading their name tags when I was still sitting in booster seats was perhaps not conducive to presenting a normal facade.)
The presence of Saturn just below the horizon near my ASC in Pisces helps confuse people; kinda like Richard Nixon in an evening gown, I come off as a mixture of seriousness and silliness, which of course is reinforced by the lovely 2nd/8th house oppositions involving my thinker, do-er, administrator and dreamer planets.
And yes, the heavy Taurus presence means that whereas my interest can be attracted temporarily by various flitting ephemera, it takes something powerful — something on the order of a Neptune in Scorpio with 8th-house seasoning — to divert me from my normal course.
Thanks very muchly!
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Mary McCurnin
The focal point of your chart is your Midheaven, which is the cusp of your 10th House, the very visible and public house of career and reputation. It’s located in Scorpio, which is about sex, death, transformation, and other people’s money (as in inheriting money, for example, or using other people’s money to make money). The death is not about getting killed; it’s about transcending. So, right away I see a person who has an all consuming desire to change what she does to make a living and no matter what she does or how well she does it, she’s never satisfied.
Your Sun is conjunct your Midheaven, which means you express your creative energy publicly through your career and reputation. Mercury also is conjunct your Sun and the Midheaven, so you’re a star at communication skills, which you use in your career.
Your Sun-Midheaven-Mercury conjunction is sextile your Moon-Saturn conjunction in Virgo in your 8th House that, due to its natural association with Scorpio, is also about sex, death, transformation, and other people’s money. Sextiles represent a smooth flow of energy that, unlike a trine, require action to get started. That shouldn’t be difficult since you derive your emotional security from engaging in 8th House activities and expressing your creative energy by engaging in those activities as part of your career.
You only have one planet in a fire sign, so you’re weak on fire. This means that you have difficulty motivating yourself to achieve your goals, but you’re strong in water and earth, so you are a compassionate, caring, and intuitive person who values your personal relationships, in which you often take on a caretaker or mother role. Your weakness is a tendency to be too supportive and not sufficiently objective. Therefore, you need to apply your Aquarian personality to take a step back and objectively analyze a situation or relationship before taking action. You should be able to do that because earth is strong in your chart.
Virgo and Scorpio are strong in your chart. A prevalence of planets in Virgo means you’re a practical person who can be relied on to take a common-sense approach to most matters. A prevalence of planets in Scorpio indicates a person who is intense and magnetic with penetrating perception whom no one in their right mind would ever want to confront. You have to be careful to avoid losing your temper an obsessing on being destructive, vengeful and overly dramatic.
Since you are Aquarius Rising, you are unconventional and stubborn with a strong independent streak and you like to associate with group activities.
Sound like you?
Depends.
“For example, the science fiction and fantasy writer L. Sprague de Camp was formidable skeptic and debunker in his nonfiction work, but he constantly used magic in his sword-and-sorcery fiction.”
This sounds like a combination of Saturn and Neptune. The skeptic is often associated with the planets Saturn and Neptune in major aspect. Skepticism is Saturn, fantasy and magic, among other things, is Neptune. Sure enough, the author does have these planets in major aspect.
I’ve got to take a break, but I’ll finish these charts even if I have to do it tomorrow.
Next up is LoudounLib.
Forkin’ A. That is me to a T. I am lousy at making money but I can usually figure away to get it. Not by being dishonest but by working the system as needed. Plus, I may inherit a fair amount someday.
I am a huge mother hen, creative, but can be stress oriented. And I don’t lose my temper often but it is scary when I do. And drama plays too big a roll.
I could go on but won’t.
Thanks so much, Mason. I appreciate it.
I suspected that you didn’t need any help from me to figure yourself out after the way you figured me out with the information that I gave you.
You’re a star, PW.
I have read that Isaac Newton in his day was called names for his studies in astrology. His retort: “I have studied the matter, you have not.”
I don’t know any ethical and qualified astrologer who would tell someone they were “born under a bad sign.”
No, I don’t wonder why Rahm Emanuel used that term. I take it as saying more about Rahm than people “on the left.” I take your comments in the same way. This kind of demonizing of groups of people, is that what the world needs more of? I don’t think so.
Yay for Mason! Thanks for doing so much work for us!
Mason, thank you for this post and all the time you’re putting into it.
A year ago I found a book completely by chance at the library.
Crop Circles; Signs, Wonders and Mystery by Steve and Karen Alexander
website: temperarytemples.co.uk
The patterns are exquisite, becoming more complex through the years. Many astrological references in the designs.
Now I want to know more about what they are referring to.
I second the emotion! :-)
Thirded! :-)
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Hi, geoshmoe,
I’m not sure if you’re pointing out a need for more of an open mind and less certainty on my part, but I appreciate your thoughtful comments. It’s very refreshing to hear you say I don’t know astrology so I can’t say one way or the other whether it’s valid or not. We seem to be very certain about things we know nothing about. Nature abhors a vacuum I suppose.
Existence vs. essence. As I recall, empiricism states existence comes first, while Platonism states essence is primary. Obviously, I’m more of a Platonist. Why do you suppose the philosophers were both right?
Astrology and astronomy are two very different things, the way physiology and psychology are quite distinct from each other. Astronomy is like a study of the anatomy and physiology of the cosmos, whereas astrology is a study of its psyche or soul. To me, that’s why it’s so endlessly fascinating.
I read Ouspensky’s “In Search of the Miraculous,” but I only got to about page 30. I was just about to blame the author, but caught myself in time!
“Terrible sterility of applied sciences and isolation of the soul,…” yes, germane. The dilemma of the post-modern mind I suppose.
I can’t be certain but I think what you’re describing…bending of light, red shift, is something very different than “archetypal causation.” Probably also different from bending the space/time continuum, but I digress…
Yes, I’ve only read about ether and as I recall I think “space” and “ether” are synonymous. What about photons, sometimes a particle, and sometimes, a wave, and sometimes they disappear and reappear altogether! Thanks for the discussion!
I’m looking at the Jupiter/Uranus in the 12th. But we don’t need astrology to tell us the progressive caucus is in the wilderness for the next two years.
“Thousand Cranes” by Hiroshima (link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv8DG887G-A )
The Sun/Mars in the MC squares Saturn in the 6th. This Congress is tough, harsh, and cautious. It looks like there are going to be roadblocks and frustrations, getting their agenda through. Venus in the 8th trines Jupiter/Uranus. I doubt all the talk right now about reining in spending at least as far as they are concerned is anything other than for show. Looks like the money is going to be flowing in but under the radar.
I’m going to have to finish up tomorrow, because I’m tired.
I’m about halfway through LoudonLib’s chart, which is chocked full of goodies and somewhat more complex to interpret. Nothing to worry about. Just fascinating and practically a full course in natal chart intrpretation by itself. So, I’m using it as a teaching device.
Nighty night, amigos y amigas.
Mason, you rock. Thank you so much, and rest well! Looking forward to reading your interpretation on the morrow…
I forgot to mention that the Sun, Pluto, Mars conjunction in Capricorn indicates this House Republican majority is radically conservative. We knew that already, but the chart reflects the reality. Also, looks like it’s going to be “my way or the highway.” Dominance and hardball. Forget about bipartisanship cooperation with this crowd.
Peony
I read Ouspensky’s “In Search of the Miraculous,” but I only got to about page 30. I was just about to blame the author, but caught myself in time!
I didn’t read anymore of it than that either, I just pulled it out as metaphysical book, I know so few, but unfortunately in my case, I didn’t catch my self in time !
My main point in commenting was that we all shouldn’t close the door on things that… might turn out to be other than conventional wisdom dictates.
Well I also liked an idea, that like in ancient cultures, the story line is the most practical way to pass on what was the science of olden times, and those myths and stories, have been maligned by the sky god monotheists, and all they have is computors and dry as dust sterile mathematic notation.
At least the planets still have nice names of gods , the stars too, but most are numbers in quadrants or whatever. They forgot to keep thing interesting,
If essense came before existence, which is like that there needs to be a plan before a project can proceed, then that there would be essence would also be subject to prior arrangements. And Dialectically that might substitute for apriori existence. Excuse my indulging in big words etc.
That and that space has properties, but no substance, yet allows transmissions, that are yet to be explained as particles or waves, how can there be waves in a thing with no conduction, but it has properties, even when it don’t.
I’ll mention the idea you said that the celestial bodies in space are archetypes that align with, but with out communication with the person… horoscope.
So I think that is equal paradoxically to the other. I’m going to have let the eggheads figure it out
thanks for the interesting talk
Sleep with the angels!
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Good morning Mason and everyone!
I was wondering if you’d seen my request/birth info at 4:41pm yesterday January 5 and am hoping you’re planning to do my chart as well. I believe I pretty much know what the chart looks like. A grand trine with 5 planets and a kite with one more. Plus a T-square and another square. I’m very interested to see your interpretation and anything else the other astrologers want to add in.
To answer the question somewhere way above, yes, I’d love to see a chart and interpretation of the United States. I understand from a couple of comments above that it might not be too pretty.
I’d love to know what strategies to use to keep “our hearts open in hell” (?Che Guevara) and what we might do to minimize and mitigate the loss to our land and our people. And for the die-hard optimists among us, where we could best put our resources in the service of bringing back more independent media and a government independent of big business. In short, where to use what resources we have to reverse our increasingly rapid descent into fascism.
At long last, here’s LoudounLib’s natal chart interpretation, which has a bit of teaching in it. Ye olde perfesser cain’t hep hisseff.
Loudon Lib,
Your natal chart contains an amazing amount of goodies:
1. T-square (Neptune, Midheaven, and Mars)
Neptune in Scorpio in your 6th House that represents the demands of the physical world (work, health, and personal responsibilities) is opposed (180 degrees) by Mars in Taurus in your 12th House that represents your unconscious efforts to resist the demands of the physical world (the hidden or unknown, the subconscious mind, the intangible, sleep, dreams, karma, and spiritual debt). Both are square (90 degrees) to your Midheaven in Aquarius.
2. Grand Trine (Sun, Venus, Neptune, and Chiron)
Sun is conjunct Venus in Cancer in your 2nd House of money, values, and principles. They are trined (120 degrees) by Neptune in Scorpio in your 6th House (see above), and by Chiron in Pisces in your 10th House of Ambition, Career, and Reputation with Neptune and Chiron also trine to each other forming a grand triangle in your chart. Notice that Neptune is common to both the T-square and the Grand Trine.
3. Kite x 2 (Neptune, Chiron, Mars, Sun, and Venus) & (Chiron, Sun, Venus, Pluto, and Neptune)
One kite consists of your Grand Trine (three planets each 120 degrees apart) with one of the planets (Neptune) making an opposition to a fourth planet (Mars) which in turn makes sextile (60 degrees) aspects to the two other planets of the Grand Trine (Chiron and Sun-Venus conjunction). The other Kite consists of your Grand Trine with Chiron opposing Pluto in Virgo in your 5th House (creativity, fun, and romance) and Pluto is sextile to the other two planets of the Grand Trine (Sun-Venus conjunction and Neptune).
4. Mystic Rectangle (Mars, Pluto, Neptune, and Chiron)
A Mystic Rectangle consists of two oppositions (Mars-Neptune and Chiron-Pluto) in which each planet also makes a sextile (Mars is sextile Chiron and trine to Pluto while Neptune is sextile Pluto and trine to Chiron). Generally easy-flowing energy between the planets but with some difficulty indicated by the oppositions.
5. Yod: Jupiter, Ascendant, Moon, and Mercury)
A Yod, which is also known as the Finger of God, occurs whenever one planet forms quincunxes (150 degrees) to another two planets that are separated by only a sextile (60 degrees). Your Jupiter in Sagittarius in your 8th House is quincunx to your Moon-Mercury conjunction in Cancer in your 2nd House and quincunx to your Ascendant. Your Ascendant is sextile to your Moon-Mercury conjunction. Jupiter is the so-called quincunxed planet and the focus of the energy that is flowing between your Ascendant and the Moon-Mercury conjunction. Thus, the Finger of God is pointing at Jupiter.
What does it all mean? The easiest way to understand Astrology is to follow the flow of energy that emanates from your Sun, which is the source, and follow it around your nativity. Trines (120 degrees apart) and sextiles (60 degrees) represent the easy flow of energy. You don’t have to do anything to facilitate the energy flow in trines but you do have to take action and do something to facilitate the energy flow of sextiles. Astrologers pay more attention to the so-called hard aspects, or energy blockages: oppositions (180 degrees), squares (90 degrees), quincunxes (150 degrees), and conjunctions (0 degrees). Why? Because we achieve personal growth by solving the problems that manifest in our lives due to these energy blockages. We solve oppositions by balancing the energies symbolized by the planets that are in opposition. We solve squares by taking action to solve the energy blockage caused by the square. Quincunxes manifest as frustrations in our lives that teach us patience and perseverance. Conjunctions represent a blending of the energies symbolized by the planets that are in conjunction to each other and they may be easy or difficult to handle depending on the energies involved. We do not achieve personal growth and transformation through trines and sextiles; we tend to take them for granted. Astrologers who believe in reincarnation, such as myself, believe that trines and sextiles symbolize areas of our lives that we mastered in previous lives.
Planets that are located in the signs that they rule are very powerful focal points in a chart and you have three of them: Moon in Cancer, Jupiter in Sagittarius, and Saturn in Capricorn. We look to see, if they are in aspect to each other and we find only one aspect, which is Moon quincunx (150 degrees apart) Jupiter. Actually, the quincunx between them is not exactly 150 degrees. They are separating from each other and are 00 degrees, 20 minutes beyond the exact 150 degree angle of the quincunx, which we abbreviate as 00S20. Quincunxes are hard aspects that symbolize frustration. Because the angle between the two planets is less than one degree, the frustration is intense. However, the frustration is weakening because the planets are separating. If they were approaching, the frustration would be increasing and it would peak when they were exactly 150 degrees apart. Hence, the following rule: The influence of aspects are strongest when the planets involved are less than one degree from exactitude.
With that in mind, let’s look at your Moon-Jupiter quincunx. We see that your natal Moon is conjunct Mercury in Cancer, so we have a blending to interpret. The Moon’s placement in a chart represents what a person needs to feel emotionally secure and Mercury’s placement indicates how a person perceives the world and expresses herself. Cancer is a cardinal-water sign that metaphorically represents initiating action emotionally or intuitively. So a Moon-Mercury conjunction in Cancer metaphorically represents a person who derives emotionally security from acting intuitively and emotionally in regard to others in her environment. Now, we have to consider the house in which the conjunction in Cancer is located. It’s in the 2nd House that metaphorically represents fundamental or core beliefs, values, and principles and how a person manifests them in her life, which is why many astrologers call it the house of money and possessions. How does this placement affect you? Well, it means you derive your emotional security from intuitively and emotionally expressing your core values and beliefs. The quincunx means Jupiter’s placement in Sagittarius in the 8th House, which metaphorically represents sex, death, transformation, and other people’s money, causes a lot of frustration that diminishes your feelings of emotional security and need to express your core values and principles intuitively and emotionally.
This is where you come in. In essence, I have provided you with an explanation of the meaning of a metaphorical equation in your natal chart symbolized mathematically by the formula (Moon conjunct Mercury in the 2nd House) quincunx Jupiter in Sagittarius in the 8th House. To further refine what it means and bring it into focus, an astrologer would ask you for some feedback. A light would go on and you might say something like “No matter how hard I try, I want more than I have and I feel really frustrated. I want to change and learn how to be more accepting, but for some reason I can’t.” To which the astrologer might suggest, “Your frustration and dissatisfaction may require an adjustment of your core beliefs and values.” That’s how astrological counseling works and that is what the practice of Western Personal Astrology is all about. This is why real astrologers disrespect and dismiss casual Sun Sign Astrology, such as the crap that usually appears in newspapers which purports to give advice to people based only on their Sun sign as if the Rising Sign, Midheaven, houses and the rest of the planets and their aspects to each other don’t exist. I think we have around 7 billion people on the planet and there are only 12 signs. Assuming an equal distribution of people per sign, that’s approximately 650 milion people with the same horoscope! The term “inadequate differentiation” comes to mind.
Now, let’s take a look at Cancer, which is another focal point in your chart because you have Sun, Moon, Mercury, and Venus in that sign. We’ve already looked at the Moon-Mercury conjunction, so let’s start with your Sun, which is going to express its creative energy by taking action emotionally and intuitively in regard to money, possessions, values, and principles. Your Sun is conjunct Venus, which is yin energy that rules love, beauty, harmony, and the arts. She will soften the Sun’s expression of energy in the 2nd House to make it less thing-oriented, more loving, and more focused on creating beauty.
Are there any other hard aspects? Yes, your Sun-Venus conjunction is opposed by old Jupiter in Sagittarius in the Eighth House of sex, death, transformation, and other people’s money. It’s a weak opposition, however, because they were separating from an exact opposition (180 degrees apart) by 6 degrees, 44 minutes at the moment you were born. Therefore, you are unlikely to struggle trying to find a way to balance the Jupiter opposition in Sagittarius. Jupiter tends to magnify things tending toward excess and excess in the 2nd House usually means overspending and acquiring too much stuff. This brings us to another important rule: Natal charts contain multiple references to important themes or issues in a person’s life, as if they are shouting out for attention. This is the Great Spirit’s way of getting our attention. Here, you see a somewhat different version of the issue expressed by the Moon-Mercury conjunction that is quincunx to Jupiter.
What about easy aspects? Your Sun-Venus conjunction is trine to Neptune in Scorpio (which is the sign that symbolizes sex, death, transformation, and other people’s money) in the 6th House that represents the demands of the physical world (work, health, and personal responsibilities). They also are trine to Chiron, which symbolizes the Wounded Healer seeking to heal his own wound, in Pisces, which symbolizes the urge to merge, in the 10th House of ambition, career, and reputation. They are sextile Mars and Pluto. Energy flows easily back and forth between these planets requiring little effort on your part to facilitate the exchange of that energy. You won’t encounter much difficulty in the energy flow and activities represented by the planets, signs, and houses involved in that easy flow of energy. I’m referring specifically to the planets involved in the Grand Trine and the two Kites.
What about the T-square, Yod, and the Mystic Rectangle?
T-square: Balance and manage the Mars-Neptune opposition through your activities in the 10th House.
Yod: Express the energies involved with the planets in sextile to each other through Neptune.
Mystic Rectangle: This is an easy multiple configuration of planets in sextile and trine relationships, so the energy flows freely requiring little effort on your part to make it work for you. What little you have to do is suggested by the two sextiles because sextiles require taking action to take advantage of the connection. Trines, on the other hand, just happen.
I could go on, but I’m going to cut it off here because I have more charts to do. I hope this has been helpful. Did any of this make sense and sound like you?
I’m going to try. Not sure that I have time to do an interpretation, but at least I should be able to post the raw data.
Thanks. I’ll appreciate whatever you can do whenever it happens.
In the meantime, based on yours and ?Peony’s recommendations, my library is sending Cosmos and Psyche to my local branch for me. I’m looking forward to reading it.
Open Hope
Due to a lack of planets in fire signs (Aries, Leo, and Sagittarius), you probably have some difficulty motivating yourself to achieve your goals.
Since you have a lot of planets in air signs (Gemini, Libra, and Aquarius), you will tend to be objective and philosophical, preferring to view life from an intellectual perspective. Your rational mind will outweigh your feelings every time, as you consider emotions to be irrational. You have a high sense of fairness, and a logical thought process. Your weakness lies in your tendency to distrust your emotions.
Your 4th House, which is about foundations like home and family, is strong, as is your 9th House, which is about spirituality, religion, higher learning, and travel. It covers academic subjects, law, religion, publishing, foreign culture, sport, overseas travel and philosophy.
Since your Moon is in Capricorn, you feel secure when your life is structured, or you are working hard. You may appear to others as emotionally distant or cold. Since it’s in your 4th House, you probably seek security in your home and family life and you feel most safe at home.
You are easy-going and attempt to look after everyone around you. Beware of this tendency because you need to be true to yourself and gently leave others to look after themselves. They need to learn to stand on their own two feet and you need to allow them the space to do that and the opportunity to learn by trial and error. They will appreciate you for that in the long run. Also, you have your own path to walk in life and you cheat yourself by tarrying too long along the way taking care of others. Sometimes we fall into the caregiver trap of subconsciously avoiding our own personal growth, which usually involves struggle and pain, by fooling ourselves into believing that it’s more important to take care of others than deal with our own stuff. Your goal should be to teach them to be independent and make their own decisions and they can’t do that if you’re constantly taking care of them. Taking responsibility for dealing with your own issues leads to greater self-esteem, confidence, and well-being that in turn leads to better more egalitarian relationships. Besides, who wants to be a virtual slave to others, even if they are people we love? You are a caring and empathetic person and you have likely suffered rejection from a parent, probably your mother when you were a young child. The lesson : You bear no responsibility for how you were treated, but you do have a responsibility to heal the wound that it created. The solution: Nurture thyself and get in touch with your emotional self. By tapping into your emotions, you will be able to unleash your creative self.
Since your Sun is in Gemini, a yang and mutable air sign, you probably are curious, communicative, versatile, and talkative. Since your Sun is in your 9th House, your principles are very important to you and you spend a good part of your time seeking higher knowledge. You are a seeker and you will find the answers that you seek in foreign travel, getting to know foreign cultures, studying spirituality and philosophy, as well as mastering academic subjects.
You may find that you have difficulty adhering to rules and regulations in your life. If you do, you will need to make adjustments by incorporating reasonable structures. Because of your basic empathetic nature, you have a natural ability to listen to others and help them understand their pain. By opening yourself to your emotions, you will increase your ability to empathize and you may surprise yourself by discovering that you have healing talents.
A major focal point in your chart is a Stellium with Venus conjunct Jupiter in Gemini in your 9th House with both conjunct your Midheaven in Cancer. Venus conjunct Jupiter literally is a beautiful thing and you probably are blessed in the looks department. It means that your are fun loving, generous and popular. You know how to indulge yourself and your loved ones. You love to share adventures and philosophies. You love goals, even if you have difficulty setting them. You could be a teacher, travel agent or public relations manager. A potential danger to be aware of whenever Jupiter is involved is a tendency to become over-indulgent or extravagant. The conjunction with the Midheaven means that you will display these attributes in public, possibly in a career, and be known by them.
Mercury in Gemini in your 9th House is your final dispositor, which means that it disposits, or gets to use the power and energies of all of the other planets in its home, which is Gemini. This suggests that you are an extremely intelligent and knowledgeable person with gifted communication skills.
Am I in the ball park?
Beats sleeping with the fishes, any day.
Love this diary, is it too late for me..2/8/47 4:31am, everett,wa
Check out my other interpretations, especially LoudounLib’s because I explain a lot of terminology and work through the interpretation of a quincunx aspect to show how we do the art of interpretation. We can only go so far with the mathematics and the numbers and then we have to listen to the feedback that the subject of a reading gives us to get into position where we can plug in our intuition and go the rest of the way. That is why I refer to Astrology as an art, as well as a science. The science is provided by Astronomy, which gives us the locations of the planets and the angles between them as viewed from the birthplace at the precise time of birth. According to astrological tradition, that is when the soul enters the newborn.
Thank you Mason! Wow, this was a lot to take in, and I read it several times over before replying. Intuition and emotion are pretty much my way of life, so yes — that is me. Really appreciate all of your work :-)
Green Warrior
Here’s your chart data. Doubt if I’ll have time to do an interpretation, but will try. Please check back later this evening. In any event, save this information for future reference.
DOB: January 9, 1943
PLACE: New York, NY
TIME: 2:43 am
Sun: 18 degrees, 08 minutes Capricorn in your 3rd House
Moon: 26 degrees, 46 minutes Aquarius in your 4th House
Ascendant or 1st House cusp (Rising Sign): 05 degrees, 15 minutes Scorpio
Natal Ruler (the planetary ruler of the sign on the Ascendant, which is Scorpio): Pluto, which is in Leo in your 9th House (see below) and disposited by your Sun, which is in Capricorn in your 3rd House (see above). Note: a planet disposits, or gets to use the energy of another planet, when it rules the sign in which that planet is located. Sun disposits Pluto because Pluto is in Leo, which is ruled by the Sun. Notice that your natal Sun in Capricorn is disposited by Saturn in Gemini because Saturn rules Capricorn and Mercury disposits Saturn because Saturn is in Gemini, which is ruled by Mercury. In turn, Uranus disposits Mercury because Mercury is in Aquarius because Uranus rules Aquarius. Now we loop back to Mercury because Uranus is in Gemini ruled by Mercury. Mercury and Uranus are in mutual reception because each planet is in the sign ruled by the other.They are powerful because they disposit the energy of the other planets through each other even though they are not in aspect to each other, however.
Midheaven or 10th House cusp: 04 degrees, 08 minutes Cancer
Descendant or the 7th House cusp: 12 degrees, 12 minutes Leo
Nadir or the 4th House cusp: 12 degrees, 12 minutes Aquarius
Mercury: 07 degrees, 15 minutes Aquarius in your 3rd House
Venus: 01 degrees, 04 minutes in Aquarius in your 3rd House
Mars: 17 degrees, 22 minutes in Sagittarius in your 2nd House
Jupiter: 20 degrees, 28 minutes retrograde in Cancer in your 9th House
Saturn: 06 degrees, 18 minutes retrograde in Gemini in your 8th House
Uranus: 00 degrees, 57 minutes in Gemini in your 7th h House
Neptune: 02 degrees, 03 minutes retrograde in Libra in your 11th House
Pluto: 06 degrees, 30 minutes Leo in your 9th House
Chiron: 28 degrees, 44 minutes retrograde in Leo in your 10th House
North Node of the Moon: 27 degrees, 04 minutes retrograde in Leo in your 10th House
Chart Shape: Seesaw
Heavy emphasis on planets in Fire and Air signs, but weak in earth signs (action and intellectually oriented but not well grounded)
Planets in Mutual Reception: Mercury and Uranus (see above)
Planets in Accidental Dignity: Moon and Jupiter
Planets in Exaltation (i.e., the sign in which they are most comfortable): Jupiter in Cancer
Sebastos,
I’m not going to be able to do your chart without a birth time. There is a process by which, through feedback from you, we could work together to estimate the time based on doing a series of interpretations based on different birth times on your date of birth and then comparing them to you. Working backwards, in other words, but that is too difficult to do here.
Doubt that I will have time, but check back. I’ve got to take care of some business for the rest of the afternoon and early evening.
Thanks for your interest.
There is a number “363″ handwritten near my typed date of birth on the certificate. I had thought that that was impossible to interpret as a time, but now it occurs to me that the “6″ might be a carelessly drawn zero, which would yield a birth time of 3:03am, consistent with my recollection of having been told that it was early in the morning. Could you try with the information:
3:03am Central Time on July 25, 1957 in Selma, Alabama?
Incidentally, the hospital was on a military base (3615th USAF Hospital, Craig AFB), which would make it understandable that a time would be written without the “A.M.”
Great video explains the concepts behind the 1st annual Love the Earth film and live music performance that was held at Royal Albert Hall (UK) on Nov. 5, 2010. For more on the 2011 event, calls for submissions and how to participate, check back at LoveTheEarthFilm.Org (link: http://www.lovetheearthfilm.org ; also on Facebook and Twitter ).
‘Imogen Heap talks about “Love The Earth”‘ (link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oATdiw2XQGk )
“Canvas” by Imogen Heap (link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXj0dF7LAyE )
It’s been fascinating to watch the development of this composer/visual artist/performance artist. She really understands human-created environmental crisis and is doing excellent consciousness-raising through collaborative artistic endeavors now at the international level. The above is a nice sample of her work which keeps getting better and better.
Thanks, Mason. I will check back later and see if you’ve had time to also do an interpretation.
You’re very much in the ball park! Especially, the relationship I have with my mother. She was hospitalized for a year with tuberculosis when I was 3. I’m not the child she would have liked to have had. This is sharply in focus now that I’m in a caregiver role with her.
I consistently use taking care of others as a way to avoid my own emotional work.
I also have been called a procrastinator many times!
Thank you, Mason.
I have to add; the difficulty adhering to rules and regulations? Yeah, that’s a big one.
Bane of mod’s existence for awhile on LLN. :]
Sebastos,
I followed your suggestion and used 0303 as your birth time. That produces the following raw data:
Sebastos
DOB: July 25, 1957
PLACE: Selma, AL
TIME: 3:03 am
Sun: 02 degrees, 08 minutes Leo in your 2nd House (Sun rules Cancer)
Moon: 07 degrees, 08 minutes Cancer in your 1st House (Moon rules Cancer)
Ascendant or 1st House cusp (Rising Sign): 07 degrees, 46 minutes Cancer
Natal Ruler (the planetary ruler of the sign on the Ascendant, which is Cancer): Moon, which is in Cancer.
Midheaven or 10th House cusp: 20 degrees, 47 minutes Pisces
Descendant or the 7th House cusp: 06 degrees, 46 minutes Capricorn
Nadir or the 4th House cusp: 20 degrees, 47 minutes Virgo
Mercury: 22 degrees, 43 minutes Leo in your 3rd House, which is disposited by the Sun in Leo
Venus: 29 degrees, 05 minutes in Leo in your 3rd House, which is disposited by the Sun in Leo
Mars: 21 degrees, 15 minutes in Leo in your 3rd House (it’s actually in your 2nd House, but there is a rule in Astrology that says that planet that is within of the cusp of the next house, shall be considered as though it were in the next house. Mars is disposited by the Sun in Leo
Jupiter: 27 degrees, 50 minutes in Virgo in your 4th House, which is disposited by Mercury in Leo, which is disposited by the Sun in Leo
Saturn: 07 degrees, 55 minutes retrograde in Sagittarius in your 6th House, which is disposited by Jupiter in Virgo, which is disposited by Mercury in Leo, which is disposited by the Sun in Leo
Uranus: 06 degrees, 57 minutes in Leo in your 2nd House, which is disposited by the Sun in Leo
Neptune: 29 degrees, 52 minutes in Libra in your 5th House
Pluto: 29 degrees, 12 minutes Leo in your 3rd House, which is disposited by the Sun in Leo
Chiron: 15 degrees, 30 minutes retrograde in Aquarius in your 8th House, which is disposited by Uranus in Leo, which is disposited by the Sun in Leo
North Node of the Moon: 15 degrees, 50 minutes retrograde in Scorpio in your 5th House
Chart Shape: Bowl with the Moon as the lead planet
Planets in Rulership: Sun and Moon
Planets in Accidental Dignity: Mercury
Planets in Detriment (i.e., in signs opposite the signs that they rule): Uranus
Sebastos,
Here’s the interpretation.
Focal Points
It’s all Leo all day long and one of your defining characteristics is an unquenchable desire to be appreciated and complimented.You have a quadruple conjunction in Leo involving Mars, Mercury, Venus, and Pluto and all of them are in your 3rd House of Communication that is traditionally ruled by Mercury. Thus, Mercury is always powerful in the 3rd House. That quadruple conjunction absolutely dominates your chart. Quadruple conjunctions are unusual and they exert an extremely powerful influence over any chart. Plus you have the Sun conjunct Uranus in Leo in the 2nd House. You are a rebel but also a leader. You are innovative and original. Others may see you as arrogant, willfull and disruptive at times. Life will be full of surprises. Politics, science or computing may appeal to you.
Nevertheless, you have a soft side. You are a sensitive and apt to be overwhelmed by your empathy with suffering. You have martyr-like tendencies.
You are enthusiastic in your quest for knowledge. You are proud of your learning abilities, and believe in the saying that learning is fun. You may have a tendency to be a know-it-all. You excel in all forms of communication. You are intelligent, a quick-learner, and talkative. You may study a variety of subjects. You express yourself in a loving manner. You enjoy talking with people, and they find you a warm and welcoming listener. You want your immediate surroundings to be beautiful. You enjoy short trips and vacations; and are likely to experience harmonious relationships with siblings.
You want intensity and drama in your personal relationships. You are consumed with love and passion and expect your partner to feel the same way. You are disappointed when others fail to soar to great emotional heights. On a more positive note you are fiercely loyal and committed with an ability to fight any injustice.
You are resourceful and have a pool of enormous energy available when needed. You also have strong desires and a volcanic temper, but you can be your own worst enemy. You struggle to be powerful and assertive, but your path to success is strewn with strife. This may have started early in life when your home felt more like a battlefield than a safe haven leaving you feeling powerless and ineffective. Now it appears that other people are opposed to your achievements. What you don’t realize is that you are subconsciously sabotaging your own success. You need to honor your own and other people’s worth. You may find that the battle then becomes one in which you lead for those who need your empathy and help.
Embarrassment of riches? You bet. Are you an actor? If not, you should consider it because the Lion loves an appreciative audience! Talk about dramatic. Yikes!
You also have your Moon is Cancer conjunct your Ascendant, which is another focal point. You need nurturing and derive emotional stability when you get it, but you also need independence and autonomy. To you, self-expression is a way of nurturing yourself. In times of crisis you may like to withdraw and spend time on your own, but the lure of smell of greasepaint and the roar of the crowd always will pull you back into the public spotlight.
You are good-hearted, have a sunny personality, and a strong need for attention. You have a generous nature, but can be arrogant.
Does that sound like you?
Mary4, you’re next and by Jove, God willin’ and the creek don’t rise, I’ll git ‘er done tonight.
Check back in a couple of hours. Gotta eat dinner.
Mzchief, you have some beautiful music going in the waiting room!!!
Thank you.
Glad you are enjoying it and you are welcome!
“Follow Your Hearts Desire” by Pura Fe (link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_QC2JT9EiY )
Sorry, Green Warrior. I realize that I spaced out your interpretation, so I’ll start on it now.
Puts on dunce cap and sits on stool staring at the corner, or is it the coroner?
Never mind.
Oh yay! You ARE going to do it. I hope you’ve already eaten. If not, may I recommend the star-kissed tuna? I hear it’s quite the rage on the cusp of interpretations.
“Airdance” performed by Andreas Vollenweider (avoharp) and Daniel Schenker (trumpet) (link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhiolt45YGw )
Remarkably accurate. Politics, science, and computing are indeed among my greatest interests (somehow philosophy got left out, but the philosophical subdisciplines I’m most interested in are closely related to one or another of the three fields you’ve named).
I’m not quite extraverted enough to be an actor – my Myers-Briggs personality type by the Keirsey Temperament Sorter is INTP – but I suspect I was born an extravert and become a borderline introvert via a mismatch with the outside world (which is consistent with your analysis). I’m also not an ice-cold extreme “T”, despite the Keirsey result, and I have some conceptual problems with the T-F axis of the Myers-Briggs. I think it’s measuring different things, and I would divide it into at least two sub-axes, and locate myself as “T” on one sub-axis and “F” on another, reflecting my dual attitude toward astrology (skeptical but fascinated).
I’m also a cat lover. My wife and I have two purebred Chartreux, and she says I even act like a cat!
Thanks for the analysis – I don’t think I’ve ever had a full chart done before!
Each of these can with the same degree of accuracy/inaccuracy can be divined by comment history
I challenge you, Mason, to a blind reading. Someone I know for greater than 30 years, familiar with their entire life history, has never commented here.
11/22/66, Phoenix AZ, 2:34 AM. Gender unknown to you.
Green Warrior,
With apologies for being late, I now present you with the interpretation of your chart.
Interpretation
Leo and Aquarius are strong, due to the presence of so many planets in both. Leo is a self-confident, generous, warm-hearted, dramatic, and powerful leader who can get carried away with herself and become a proud, vain, extravagant, arrogant person whom everyone loves to hate. Aquarius is different and tends to be a humanitarian who is innovative, group conscious, progressive, and into serving others. Just as Leo has a bad side, so too does Aquarius who can get carried away and become rebellious for the sake of being rebellious, eccentric, aloof, emotionally superficial, overly extroverted. Plus, the two signs are opposite signs in the Zodiac, so you can expect that the planets in each sign will be in opposition to each other. Take a look and indeed they are. Moon in Aquarius in the 4th House is opposed to your North Node-Chiron conjunction in Leo. Your Mercury-Venus conjunction in Aquarius in your 3rd House is opposed to your Midheaven-Pluto conjunction in Leo. Look to the right and you’ll notice that your Uranus-Saturn conjunction in Gemini straddles the 8th House cusp and it squares the North Node-Chiron conjunction and the Moon. Yup, that’s aT-square. Some people have all the luck!
Step away from the razorblades!
T-squares are challenging aspects that require balancing the planets that are in opposition to each other and taking action to manage the forces symbolized by the planets that square the planets that are in opposition to each other. Your goal is to manage and master the challenging forces of the T-square and turn them into your strong points.
Due to the number of planets in air signs, you are objective and philosophical, preferring to view life from an intellectual perspective. Your rational mind will outweigh your feelings every time, as you consider the world of emotions to be irrational. You have a high sense of fairness, and a logical thought process. Your weakness lies in the fact that you view emotions in a disparaging light.
Your 3rd and 4th houses are strong. The 3rd House is about communication. It also refers to early learning, siblings, your immediate environment and short journeys. Your 4th House is about foundations of home and family. It describes your roots, heritage and private life.
Since you are Scorpio Rising (so am I), you view life as a constant battle. Scorpio Rising is intense and never forgets. No one with a functioning brain cell ever wants to cross a Scorpio Rising. Scorpio is obsessed with transforming and transcending and it is the most sexual sign in the Zodiac.
With your Moon in Aquarius, you feel secure with intellect rather than emotions. You may be aloof from emotions, or distrust emotions as irrational and unpredictable. You may have viewed your mother as emotionally erratic. Since your Moon is in the 4th House, you seek security through your family. The home and family life provide you with emotional sustenance. At home you feel safe.
Your Moon opposition to Chiron suggests that you have a deep emotional pain stemming originally from your relationship with your mother. You attract partners and relationships which reflect that pain. It may be that your partner needs much caring or it may be that your partner sparks your wounds. The lesson is to face the pain and learn to balance your needs with the needs of others. You may then become a wise and loving healer.
Your Capricorn Sun means you are responsible and respectful, with a strong need to be an authority figure. You command respect and, unless you are careful, you may tend to superiority and bossiness. Communication plays a key role in your life. You crave for knowledge and have an equal urge to let others know what you have learned. Your siblings may be important to you.
Your Sun’s opposition to Jupiter indicates that you are restless and find it difficult to settle in one place. Your larger-than-life ideals may stand in the way of you achieving your goals. Your challenge is to find a balance between stability and adventure. Then you will be able to reach all your goals.
Your Pluto conjunction with your Midheaven suggests that you will be powerful and resourceful in your chosen career, and may have a transformative effect on those around you. For this reason, you make a better leader than a follower. You may find that you choose a career that enables to you delve to the bottom of things. This can be literally plumbing or mining, or delving into the human psyche in career paths such as psychology.
Your North Node-Chiron conjunction suggests that your destiny in this lifetime is linked with easing other people’s suffering, probably after facing the painful side of your own life. You may suffer from physical illness, possibly altering the course of your life. You may be a skilled healer or wise teacher.
The Saturn-Uranus conjunction means that you are independent and self-motivated. You want to do much for humanity or the business world and have the self discipline to achieve. You have good organizing powers and may have a talent for mathematics and science. This is the area of your life that is likely to produce an answer the T-square in which the Saturn-Uranus conjunction squares the Moon-Chiron and North Node opposition. Perhaps a career as a teacher in higher education might work or working as a healer.
Sound like you?
“The Music Goes Round and Round” performed by the Pink Windmill Kids (link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYR1ADefEH4 )
Kelly,
I accept your counteroffer to my offer, with two conditions. This person has to be involved in reviewing my interpretation of the natal chart and he or she has to be the person who decides if the interpretation is accurate. I insist on this condition because the interpretations reveal deep psychological issues that other people, even close life-long friends, might not know or even be aware of. The second condition concerns a matter of trust. I trust you. I want you to answer this two-part question honestly. Do you trust the other person to tell the truth regarding the accuracy of the interpretation and do they know themselves?
I think this will be great fun as long as people play fair.
Agreed?
In fairness then, I’ll have to offer another person; the one I offered is my sister who has passed on. With time available, I would ask, cast her chart anyway. If not, no prob/question. Nonetheless,
To meet your conditions, I’ll offer another:
11/04/60, Grand Island Nebraska, 5:41 am, gender unknown to you.
This one meets your, and my, trust conditions.
NOTE: Jupiter turned retrograde 23 hours 12 minutes ago at 04 degrees, 28 minutes, and 56 seconds Leo. It’s now at 04 degrees, 28 minutes, and 51 minutes. From our perspective here on Earth, Jupiter appears to be backing up toward Uranus and is now approaching Uranus and is only 00 degrees, 07 minutes away from forming another exact conjunction with Uranus.
So, the pleasant ride will continue . . .
“Jupiter turned retrograde 23 hours 12 minutes ago at 04 degrees, 28 minutes, and 56 seconds Leo. It’s now at 04 degrees, 28 minutes, and 51 minutes.”
Mason, I don’t think you meant to say “Leo.” As you know, Jupiter is @ 27 Pisces. What did you mean?
For those who don’t know what “retrograde” means, from the perspective of earth, it appears that the planet is moving backwards. If you have a planet in your natal chart that is retrograde, the energy of that planet tends to express on an inner level, possibly with more sensitivity, independence, and depth, but may also mean difficulty expressing its energy outwardly.
Kelly,
Thanks for your honesty and please accept my sincere condolences for the death of your sister.
Please understand that western Astrology is most useful as a means of understanding the psyche. Not so much as a predictor of specific events like when a person died or will die. From studying a natal chart, I can tell what psychological influences are at work during a person’s lifetime, whether long or short. To analyze what’s happening at a particular time, I need to compare the natal chart to a transit chart that shows where the luminaries and the planets are on the date in question. I’m not doing that here. I’m interpreting natal charts.
If you read the interpretations that I have done and posted here, I think you will see that I engaged in the process that I have just described.
If you have an agenda that involves describing Astrology as something different and you’re going to “prove” that you’re right, as you attempted to do, you might as well tell me what your view is because I might agree with it.
Again, I know how difficult it is to lose someone you love because I’ve been through that experience and to be honest, it damn near killed me.
I have one more interpretation to do for a person here at the Lake. I’m tired so I’m going to get some sleep and do it in the morning. Then, I’ll be at your service.
Namaste
and Happy New Year,
M
I should have added that retrograde is like sitting next to a window on a train and passing a slower moving train. As your train slowly passes the other train, it appears to be backing up when in fact, it’s moving in the same direction as you are, but at a slower pace.
Also, keep in mind that two planets in conjunction may actually be a million miles apart, but they appear to be together when viewed from Earth. One is just closer and in front of the other as viewed from here.
Wow, I was looking at somebody’s natal chart and thought I was looking at a transit chart for today.
I better get some sleep!
Thanks for pointing that out.
Jeeze, what a putz I am!
“Arabesque # 1 in E Major” composed by Claude Debussy (1888), performed by Stanislav A. Bunin (2009) (link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SorwrChClfc )
G’nite.
mz, great choice to end the evening. Debussy is one of my favorites. Thanks!
Mary4,
Because I was so late in generating the raw data, I decided to give you a bit of a treat by adding more information to your report. The interpretation will follow within the hour.
Thanks,
Mason
Mary4:
DOB: February 8, 1947
PLACE: Everett, WA
TIME: 4:31 am
Sun: 18 degrees, 54 minutes Aquarius in your 2nd House.
Moon: 27 degrees, 03 minutes Virgo in your 9th House.
The Moon was full (Fifth of 8 phases and the 17th of 28).
Ascendant or 1st House cusp (Rising Sign): 25 degrees, 07 minutes Sagittarius.
Natal Ruler (the planetary ruler of the sign on the Ascendant, which is Sagittarius): Jupiter.
Jupiter is in Scorpio in your 11th House (see below) and disposited by Pluto, which is retrograde in Leo in your 8th House. Note: a planet disposits, or gets to use the energy of another planet, when it rules the sign in which that planet is located. Therefore, since Pluto is the modern ruler of Scorpio, it disposits Jupiter because Jupiter is in Scorpio. Notice that your natal Sun in Aquarius disposits Pluto because Pluto is in Leo, which is ruled by the Sun. In turn Uranus disposits your natal Sun because it is in Aquarius, which is ruled by Uranus, and Mercury disposits Uranus because Uranus is in Gemini, which is ruled by Mercury. Neptune in Libra disposits Mercury because Mercury is in Pisces, which is ruled by Neptune, and Venus in Capricorn disposits Neptune because she rules Libra. Saturn in Leo disposits Venus because he rules Capricorn, and we’re back to your Natal Sun, because it disposits Saturn in Leo. In short, your natal Sun is very powerful in your chart because it ultimately disposits Jupiter, the planetary ruler of your nativity, and Pluto, Uranus, Mercury, Neptune, Venus, and Saturn.
Midheaven or 10th House cusp: 25 degrees, 10 minutes Libra
Descendant or the 7th House cusp: 25 degrees, 07 minutes Gemini
Nadir or the 4th House cusp: 25 degrees, 10 minutes Aries
Mercury: 00 degrees, 48 minutes Pisces in your 2nd House
Venus: 02 degrees, 26 minutes in Capricorn in your 1st House
Mars: 10 degrees, 58 minutes in Aquarius in your 2nd House
Jupiter: 25 degrees, 49 minutes in Scorpio in your 11th House
Saturn: 04 degrees, 22 minutes retrograde in Leo in your 7th House
Uranus: 17 degrees, 51 minutes retrograde in Gemini in your 6th House
Neptune: 10 degrees, 36 minutes retrograde in Libra in your 10th House
Pluto: 12 degrees, 02 minutes retrograde in Leo in your 8th House
Chiron: 08 degrees, 31 minutes in Scorpio in your 10th House
North Node of the Moon: 08 degrees, 06 minutes retrograde in Gemini in your 6th House
Modern Rulerships
Planets in Rulership (i.e., signs they rule): None
Planets in Accidental Dignity (i.e., planets that gain strength by virtue of their location in a chart): Pluto.
-Pluto is in the 8th House and it is the natural ruler of the 8th House, which is associated with Scorpio
Planets in Detriment (i.e, signs opposite to the signs they rule): Sun and Mercury
Planets in Exaltation (i.e., the signs in which they are most at home): None
Planets in Fall (i.e., the signs opposite to the signs in which they are most at home): Mercury
Final Dispositor: None
Planets in Mutual Reception (i.e., two planets that are located in a sign that is ruled by the other): None
Essential Dignities (Ptolemy)
Moon: +3
Sun: +0
Mercury: -14
Venus: +3
Mars: -5
Jupiter: +1
Saturn: +3
Aspect Patterns
Unaspected Points: None.
T-square: Mars opposition to Pluto with both planets squared by Chiron.
Grand Trine: Mars trine North Node trine Neptune trine Mars.
Signs on the Angles
Ascendant: Sagittarius
Nadir: Pisces
Descendant: Gemini
Midheaven: Libra
Star Aspects
Pluto parallel Alcyone: Mystical but Judgmental
-Note to Mary4: interpret as weak conjunction
North Node conjunct Aldebaran: Success through integrity
Ascendant conjunct Aculeus: Enduring attacks but success
Mzchief,
Thank you so much for providing the virtual waiting room and the magnificent music.
Mason
Have y’all noticed that Kelly Canfield accepted my offer to do a chart interpretation, but he wanted to test me by providing the date of birth, time of birth, and location of birth of a person whose identity and gender are unknown to me. I agreed.
Y’all might find our conversation upthread interesting to review, as we had a polite and interesting conversation about the conditions of the review.
Mystery Person (identity and gender unknown)
Date of Birth: November, 4, 1960
Place of Birth: Grand Island, Nebraska
Time of Birth: 5:41 am
I will get to work on it after I finish Mary4′s interpretation. I should be posting the data and interpretation of the Mystery Person by 4 pm, CST.
M
I think Debussy was an innovator. I’m glad you’re enjoying it.
You are welcome. :)
“Javanaise” from “Suite For Flute And Jazz Piano Trio” (original release 1976) performed by Claude Bolling (piano) and Jean-Pierre Rampal (flute) accompained by Marcel Sabiani (percussion) and Max Hediguer (bass) at Château de Versailles, France (video posting date 2007, link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKx14ZLtCYI )
Mason, no. You are mortal, merely tired and in need of rest.
I am certainly noticing the “speeding up” effect of Jupiter Uranus being wide awake at 3:00 a.m.!
mz, you are right about Debussy!
Here is Schonberg from “The Lives of the Great Composers”:
“He [Debussy] is considered not only the greatest French composer who ever lived; he is considered the revolutionary who, with the Prelude a l’apres-midi d’un faune of 1894, set twentieth-century music on its way. The younger critics are ecstatic now when they discuss the contributions of Claude Debussy. He is, they say, the one who destroyed nineteenth-century rhetoric; the one whose harmonic and melodic innovations led to the breakup of the scale as used in the nineteenth century; the one whose new concepts of orchestration led straight into Webern; the one whose piano music gave pianists more to think about than any other composer since Chopin…”
*****
mz, I don’t often see someone whose musical interests range from, i.e., rock to classical. I wonder have you thought about writing a diary on My FDL for the art section? I would love to read one.
Thought I’d mention…
Things that cannot be determined by an astrological chart are who or what kind of sentient being the subject is, gender, whether the subject is dead or alive, and level of consciousness.
I am glad you are enjoying the presentations. I will consider your suggestion.
About the Kelly C challenge, not as challenging as KC may think. At least KC disclosed that the data is for a person, as opposed to withholding that the subject is say, a pet, or a work of art. lol
“Yothu Yindi, Festival of Aboriginal Rock Music” (Darwin, Australia, 1988) (link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTP65qOMREk ; website: http://www.yothuyindi.com , traditional songs + new rock fusion )
Thank you Mason! This diary is a breath of fresh air..and I love fresh air..lol. I have no idea what this all means so looking forward to reading the second part. Thank you so much. I need this right now, I do. I believe everything happens for a reason and right now I don’t know why… but I believe I was led here to hear something that I need to hear right now.
Mary4,
At long last, here’s my interpretation of your chart. I hope you find it helpful.
Interpretation
The four elements are fire, earth, air, and water, and there are three signs in each element. Because air is the strongest element in your chart, you are likely to be an objective and philosophical person who prefers to look at life from an intellectual perspective. Your weakness will be your tendency to suppress your emotions so that you don’t feel them and this can take the joy out of your life.
Libra and Aquarius are air signs and they are strong in your chart. Because of your Libran influence, you are likely to be artistic, diplomatic and even-handed displaying a strong sense of fairness and balance in your dealings with others. Your weakness will be a tendency to over-compromise and be seen as a too-eager-to please appeaser by others. Due to your strong Aquarian influence, you are also likely to be an innovative, humanitarian, and group-oriented progressive person who wants to be of-service to others. The potential down-side of Aquarius to watch-out for is rebelliousness for the sake of rebelliousness, rather than for a legitimate purpose. Eccentricity, aloofness, emotional superficiality, and annoying extroverted behavior are others. On the whole, however, I see a strong independent-minded person with progressive ideas who likes to work with others in groups to be of service to others.
You are Sagittarius Rising, which means you are likely to approach life with enthusiasm and idealism and view it as a continual adventure with many exciting lessons to learn. People who are Sagittarius Rising have a tendency to regard the details of daily life as an irritating fly buzzing around and rudely interrupting their thought processes, so you will have to learn to manage that tendency, or Saturn will make you pay for it.
Since Sagittarius is associated with spirituality, religion, higher learning, philosophy, and travel, and the 1st House is concerned with the self and the development of a personality with which to express the self and interact with others, I expect that you are interested in those subjects and might even be a teacher, professor, or religious person such as a minister who, by virtue of her Libran and Aquarian tendencies, works with others in groups whose philosophical and spiritual interests are similar. Jupiter in Scorpio suggests that you would be a terrific educator. Because you were born during a full moon, I suspect that you are concerned mainly with the nature of relationships and not just personal relationships, but relationships of all kinds. Indeed, I expect that relationships will figure prominently in your life.
Venus rules relationships and since Venus is in Capricorn in your 1st House, I imagine that you have a calm and harmonious demeanor and a strong ability to express beauty and love, which makes you attractive to other people. Because of Capricorn’s influence, however, I see you as starting out somewhat shy in relationships forming them slowly and nurturing them to develop into solid, enduring, and committed relationships. Your initial shyness may be due to your Moon being square to Venus, which is an indicator of difficulty expressing feelings in relationships. You may have had a tendency to feel like you could not relax and be yourself when you were with a person you love. The key is that once you learn to reveal your feelings in a loving manner, you will develop an understanding of relationships.
Venus in Capricorn suggests that you are likely to be responsible with your money and possessions.
With your Midheaven in Libra, you are likely to have chosen your profession for reasons related to having beauty, harmony, and balance in your profession and career. I suspect you have excellent social skills because you view them as very important and you are likely to have developed them to a high level.
Because your 2nd House cusp is in Aquarius, I expect money and possessions are unpredictable commodities in your life, probably because you place more value on your individuality and your high-minded Sagittarian values and principles.
With Moon in Virgo, which she is in my natal chart too, you are likely a perfectionist and derive a strong sense of emotional security from performing at a high level that is as close as you can get to perfection. Saturn in Leo indicates that you take pride in your work and you work for recognition, power, and to build personal authority. The trick is to remember what Jerry Garcia once said, “Nobody ever plays perfect sets.” Don’t be too hard on yourself. People with Moon in Virgo tend to get sick when they are under a lot of stress, so try to avoid situations of elevated and prolonged stress. If you’re like me, your mother was a perfectionist and she, more than anyone else, provided you with structure and order when you were a child. My mother was a Virgo. Lord have mercy on my soul!
Since your Moon is in the 9th House that is naturally associated with Sagittarius, you will experience a powerful emotional need to know and understand what is happening in the world and you will find comfort through adventure; exploring the world through higher learning, travel, religion, philosophy and foreign cultures. Since your Moon also is sextile to Jupiter, the natural ruler of the 9th House, you are likely to approach life with optimism and enjoy taking advantage of opportunities to be generous and kind.
Your Sun conjunct Mars in Aquarius in the 2nd House is a focal point in your chart. Sun in Aquarius is unconventional, friendly, unpredictable, and innovative. You’re rebellious by nature, stubborn, and independent. Since your Sun is in the 2nd House, your self-esteem is a key element in your life. The Mars conjunction suggests that you are hard-working, energetic, and impulsive. You love anything that provides an outlet for your boundless energy adventures. You initiate and take risks, but you would be well-advised to pause and think before you leap. Due to the Sun square to Jupiter, you probably have an overly optimistic and idealistic approach to life and this is another yellow flag that gently reminds you to pause and think before you leap.
You have a Sun opposition to Pluto which suggests that you may have been a victim of a powerful parent figure and you may have carried the emotional damage into adulthood in the form of feeling that the world is personally opposing your deepest wishes. If so, that’s a hot button for you and might trigger an explosive emotional response. The key to turning off that button, which you may not understand, is to take back your personal power and laugh at yourself. If a bird shits on your head when you go for a walk, that doesn’t mean that the bird was stalking you and seized the opportunity to ruin your day when it saw you enjoying your walk. It means the bird took a dump and you happened to be in the way. The challenge presented by this square is for you to understand the linkage and what you projected onto the world, take delight in your discovery, disconnect the hot button, and learn to be powerful in the most positive sense of the word.
Well, I hope that I’ve provided you with sufficient information to solve what I regard, from reviewing your chart, to be the central issue in your life. I’m referring to the T-square that consists of the Pluto opposition to your Sun-Mars conjunction and the Chiron square to Sun-Mars and to Pluto.
Chiron is the mythological Wounded Healer and he symbolizes by sign and house a deep and festering psychic and spiritual wound that we carry through life as if it were a ball and chain. Chiron in Scorpio symbolizes deep pain that surfaces in intimate relationships. You may have suffered a pre-birth trauma, or sexual abuse as a child. Your own deep pain will prompt you to delve into the mysteries of life, including birth, death and sexuality. You may counsel or teach others. You may also probe into metaphysics, and become a spiritual healer. Chiron in the 10th House indicates suffering from feelings of inadequacy in the outside world and a feeling that your worth is not being recognized. This placement confirms the natal theme I picked up on when I referenced your hot button explosive response to your feeling that the world is out to get you two paragraphs back. Chiron in the 10th House is another indicator that you are suited to a profession as an educator, perhaps in the archetypal role as a wounded healer healing those who, for one reason or another, cannot heal their festering wounds.
Next up, Kelly Canfield’s mystery guest. I will follow the usual procedure with the raw data first and the interpretation later.
Mason, there is so much here, lots of emotions going on reading this.
Thank you so much, you have no idea.
Mason, I mean you have me down to the “t”. I am just going thru a really painful thing right now and looking for direction, yes it does concern others and my ‘need to know’ is getting me in trouble. I need to do the ‘pause’ right now and rethink what I am doing. Will I be harming or helping…
This film intro has an interesting rhythmic quality and provides an interesting perspective on human generated sound (“music”) as a time marker. “Contact: Opening Scene” (link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGyq7d62oPQ )
Mystery Guest
Raw Data
DOB: November 4, 1960
PLACE: Grand Island, Nebraska
TIME: 5:41 am
Sun: 12 degrees, 03 minutes Scorpio in your 1st House.
Moon: 23 degrees, 40 minutes Taurus in your 8th House.
The Moon was full (Fifth of 8 phases and the 15th of 28).
Ascendant or 1st House cusp (Rising Sign): 24 degrees, 11 minutes Libra.
Natal Ruler (the planetary ruler of the sign on the Ascendant, which is Libra): Venus.
Venus is in Sagittarius in your 2nd House (see below) and disposited by Jupiter in Capricorn in your 3rd House. Note: a planet disposits, or gets to use the energy of another planet, when it rules the sign in which that planet is located. Therefore, since Jupiter rules Sagittarius, he disposits Venus because she is in Sagittarius. Notice too, that Saturn in Capricorn disposits Jupiter because Saturn rules Capricorn. Therefore, Saturn is in rulership and it is the final dispositor of your Libra Ascendant, however, it is not the final dispositor of your chart because a Final Dispositor must disposit all the planets and it does not. In fact, there is no final dispositor.
Midheaven or 10th House cusp: 28 degrees, 30 minutes Cancer
Descendant or the 7th House cusp: 24 degrees, 11 minutes Aries
Nadir or the 4th House cusp: 28 degrees, 30 minutes Capricorn
Mercury: 19 degrees, 21 minutes retrograde in Scorpio in your 1st House
Venus: 16 degrees, 47 minutes in Sagittarius in your 2nd House
Mars: 16 degrees, 56 minutes in Cancer in your 9th House
Jupiter: 01 degrees, 40 minutes in Capricorn in your 3rd House
Saturn: 13 degrees, 45 minutes in Capricorn in your 3rd House
Uranus: 25 degrees, 28 minutes in Leo in your 10th House
Neptune: 08 degrees, 59 minutes in Scorpio in your 1st House
Pluto: 07 degrees, 48 minutes in Virgo in your11th House
Chiron: 27 degrees, 24 minutes retrograde in Aquarius in your 4th House
North Node of the Moon: 12 degrees, 23 minutes retrograde in Virgo in your 11th House
Chart Shape: Locomotive with lead planet Moon
Modern Rulerships
Planets in Rulership (i.e., signs they rule): Saturn
Planets in Accidental Dignity (i.e., planets that gain strength by virtue of their location in a chart): Venus.
-Because she is located in the 2nd House that is naturally associated with Taurus and she rules Taurus.
Planets in Detriment (i.e, signs opposite to the signs they rule): Uranus.
Planets in Exaltation (i.e., the signs in which they are most at home): Moon.
Planets in Fall (i.e., the signs opposite to the signs in which they are most at home): Mars and Jupiter
Final Dispositor: None.
Planets in Mutual Reception (i.e., two planets that are each located in a sign that is ruled by the other): Mercury is in Scorpio, which is ruled by Pluto and Pluto is in Virgo, which is ruled by Mercury.
Essential Dignities (Ptolemy)
Moon: +7
Sun: +1
Mercury: +2
Venus: +6
Mars: +0
Jupiter: +1
Saturn: +5
Aspect Patterns
Unaspected Points: None.
T-square: Chiron opposition to Uranus with both planets squared by Moon.
Signs on the Angles
Ascendant: Libra
Nadir: Capricorn
Descendant: Aries
Midheaven: Cancer
Star Aspects
Moon conjunct Capulus: Male, sexual and/or aggressive.
Sun conjunct Alphecca: Fruitfulness.
Sun conjunct Acrux: Focused on the Physical World.
Mercury conjunct Zeuben Elschemali: Negative social reform.
Saturn conjunct Vega: Charismatic and magical.
Pluto conjunct Thuban: To protect or make a treasure.
Ascendant conjunct Arcturus: A different approach.
Ascendant parallel Zeuben Elschemali: Negative social reform.
Ascendant conjunct Spica: The potential for brilliance.
Interpretation to Follow.
EDIT: In the sentence that reads, “Natal Ruler (the planetary ruler of the sign on the Ascendant, which is Sagittarius): Venus.” I corrected my mistake and changed Sagittarius to Libra.
The sentence now reads: Natal Ruler (the planetary ruler of the sign on the Ascendant, which is Libra): Venus.
Thank you. I can “hear” your pain. I hope this helps. I really do.
Best wishes.
I will say a special prayer for you tonight.
Namaste
Mason