I am having trouble embedding the CBS courtroom video of George Zimmerman’s apology to Trayvon Martin’s parents and his cross examination by prosecutor Bernie de la Rosa, so here is a link.
[Ed. Note - that youtube had embedding disabled. We found another version, and have added it.]
As I predicted two days ago, the court set bail in the amount of $150,000 (I actually predicted at least $100,000). The other conditions of release are almost identical to the conditions that I predicted.
Brian Bracker of the Guardian reports the conditions are:
1. Home confinement with electronic and GPS monitoring — he is going to be staying at a secret (to us) location;
2. No possession of firearms;
3. No contact with any member of Martin’s family;
4. Attend regular meetings with pretrial release officers.
He testified at the bail hearing, which is unusual, and apologized to Trayvon Martin’s family.
Zimmerman’s mother testified at the hearing. His father and wife testified by telephone.
Dale Gilbreath, the detective who signed off on the affidavit of probable cause, also testified at the hearing. When cross-examined by defense counsel, Mark O’Mara, he admitted that, instead of saying “Zimmerman confronted Martin,” he should have used a different word.
When prosecuting attorney, Bernie de la Rionda, asked him whether there is any evidence that suggests Zimmerman’s statement to the police is not true, Gilbreath answered, “Yes.”
He did not elaborate and neither counsel pressed him further.
I think we can reasonably infer that the prosecution’s evidence for Zimmerman confronting Martin is circumstantial and Mark O’Mara knew what Gilbreath’s answer would be before he asked it.
The first rule of cross examination is: Never ask a question unless you know what the answer will be.
That was an extremely dangerous question to ask, unless he knew how Gilbreath would answer it. Therefore, he interviewed him before the hearing.
Mark O’Mara continues to impress. Putting your client on the stand at a bail hearing in a murder case and having him apologize to the victim’s family is thinking way outside the box. I don’t know of any lawyer who has done that before or even thought of doing that before.
Bernie de la Rionda’s question eliciting Gilbreath’s statement that they have evidence that Zimmerman lied in his statement to police is the equivalent of asking your detective if we have the trump card.
Yet he did not ask what it was and neither did O’Mara.
Why not?
This is a bail hearing and de la Rionda is not going to show his cards now. He does not want to do anything that might stir up more pretrial publicity and then be accused of poisoning the pool of potential jurors. That would be prosecutorial misconduct. He did not have to play that card, so he did not.
O’Mara has reviewed the discovery and likely knows what Gilbreath’s answer would have been. He knew it could not possibly help Zimmerman, so he did not ask.
Smart moves by both lawyers.
UPDATE:
Here’s a somewhat different report on the bail hearing from the AP:
The hearing provided a few glimpses of the strengths — and weaknesses — in the case being built by prosecutors.
Dale Gilbreath, an investigator for the prosecution, testified that he does not know whether Martin or Zimmerman threw the first punch and that there is no evidence to disprove Zimmerman’s contention he was walking back to his vehicle when confronted by Martin.
But Gilbreath also said Zimmerman’s claim that Martin was slamming his head against the sidewalk just before he shot the teenager was “not consistent with the evidence we found.” He gave no details.
In taking the stand, Zimmerman opened himself up to questions from a prosecutor, who grilled him on whether he made an apology to police on the night of the shooting, and why he waited so long to express remorse to Martin’s parents.
Zimmerman said he told police he felt sorry for the parents. He also said he didn’t say anything to them sooner because his former attorneys told him not to.
NOTE: By testifying that he did not apologize earlier because his previous lawyers told him not to do so, he has arguably waived his attorney–client privilege as to that communication, which means that his previous attorneys may have to state whether they told him that.
What would you do if you were one of his lawyers, you were approached by investigators who asked you if you gave that advice, and you never told him that because he never asked?
There is another conflict. He testified that he thought Trayvon was about the same age as he is, which is 28-years-old, but he told the dispatcher when he called to report the “suspicious” person that he was an older teen (h/t to Tuezday at Firedoglake).
Cross posted from my law blog.



44 Comments

Fascinating, Masoninblue. Please keep writing about this.
I added some more information in an edit that you may not have read.
Thanks for stopping by and yes, I intend to continue covering this case.
I think I can contribute a perspective that only a handful of others are capable of contributing because I know the trial game inside and out.
I call it a game because that is what it is to the lawyers and it is extremely sophisticated.
They do not teach you how to do it in law school and it takes years to learn.
I’ve heard it said that a lawyer needs to try 20 jury trials before he or she begins to get a clue about how to do it. I think that is the danger point where you start to get comfortable and believe you know what you are doing, but you don’t.
When you get comfortable and full of yourself, you get sloppy and make mistakes. That is when the real learning begins.
That goes for pretty much any area of pursuit.
Mason, I really appreciate your posts because they are always right on the mark and very informative. So much of what is discussed on the cable news networks can be characterized as inconsequential BS.
Thanks – and I echo msmolly’s sentiments at the top of the thread.
I agree, but I think it takes a lot longer to get to that point as a trial lawyer than any other skilled profession that I know about, if for no other reason that very little is written down and after mastering the rules of evidence, which is no small task, you have to master many other subjects, including human psychology, dramatic acting, timing, the use of voice, and the art of storytelling.
My specialty areas beyond all that stuff were death-penalty law, forensics, and complex litigation.
There is nothing quite like the adrenaline rush you get when you cross examine an expert witness who knows more than you do about a particular area of medicine or forensic science when your client’s life is on the line.
The expert not only knows the subject matter, he or she has testified many times before and knows what you are attempting to do, if not how you intend to do it.
You know that you must destroy his or her credibility with the jury or your client will die and you must do it in a way that does not offend them. Often, you must do it when they do not trust you and they want you to fail.
It takes many jury trials over a period of many years to develop the skills to be successful, and by that I mean to win consistently.
Dear MiB, your commentary is not only interesting (fascinating?) but also *useful* in that we Firedogs are learning how the justice system works (or not). This a thing we all need to know, for so many reasons, including (fill in the blank). Again, thank you.
Well, I wish that I could reliably report that it’s working, but I cannot.
It’s failing at every level, but especially at the federal level where, with Obama’s blessing, if not in response to his explicit orders, the Department of Justice has ceased to investigate and prosecute (1) anyone for committing acts of torture, war crimes and crimes against humanity, and (2) banks, corporations and their CEOs and managers for massive frauds and securities violations.
Instead, DOJ only prosecutes whistleblowers while Obama tries to prove his manhood by ordering trained assassins to murder people and joystick jockeys to murder civilians with drones.
Meanwhile, the SCOTUS says corporations are people with a First Amendment right to basically buy elections, but they cannot be sued by people they injure or torture.
I fear for my country.
Zimmerman lied when he apologized to Trayvon’s parents. In the 911 call he stated Trayvon looked like a teenager. In court today, he stated he though Trayvon was almost his own age.
So is he saying it’s acceptable to murder adults and not kids? I thought the apology, what little of it I’ve seen, was a CYA move and lame at that. However, IANAL.
Here’s a somewhat different report on the bail hearing from the AP:
NOTE: By testifying that he did not apologize earlier because his previous lawyers told him not to do so, he has arguably waived his attorney–client privilege as to that communication, which means that his previous attorneys may have to state whether they told him that.
What would you do if you were one of his lawyers, you were approached by investigators who asked you if you gave that advice, and you never told him that because he never asked?
i agree,it also is an admission of some culpability imo,thanks MB
thanks mason. very much appreciate your perspective.
Appparantly, O’Mara confronted the cold terror that seizes defense counsel as his client mounts the stand, and stared it down…
Of course, the underlying homicide is condeded, so there’s no way you will get out of the case without the defendant’s testimony, as his state of mind is the whole ballgame.
Putting him out there at the bail hearing was gutsy, but if he didn’t get bail it would prejudice the jury pool implicitly.
oops
There’s that old hag, credibility…
Mason, CBS has embedding disabled (so no, you weren’t going crazy)
IANAL either, but man, was that ever…just, wow totally inconsistent with the 911 tape. Seemed to me like it just slipped out. Would have been best to stick with an apology and leave it at that.
Thanks Elliott.
Don’t know how you did it, but I’m delighted that you did.
that’s just a screenshot, still have to click the link to watch the vid — he looks so little in that big space
When I saw it, I figured you are deeply into voodoo and shrunken heads so I’d be wise to always be super nice to you.
…and because she is a really nice person, she won’t stick needles in your Voodoo doll today, Mason.
I credited you in the update for that most excellent catch.
Thanks.
heee!
on the contrary, anyone would be sorry for the parents, even if they had actual reason at the time of the incident to think that they were defending their life…any other response would be rather psycopathic…it’s ok to be sorry the other guy is dead, even if you are not sorry that it’s him not you…
it made me think,he admitted horrible critical thinking,but brazen bully tactics…i dont know,he seems to be vacillating like a palm frond. seems like the teh stooopit too!
it boggles the mind there are 800,000CWPs in fl…good reason to not visit imo
This is what chills me about Stand Your Ground defense, the dead guy is presumed guilty.
But why would he go after Martin? But if he did, didn’t Trayvon have the right to Stand His Ground?
Yes, he did.
It just seems like the last man standing gets to set the facts.
I feel all special and tingly. Never been h/t’d before. LOL.
Well, you deserved it and here’s to many more times.
Yeah, but he’s not standing very tall.
You give new meaning to Steve Martin’s old expression, “Let’s get small.”
heh, good point
Interestingly, the local news last night, Orlando, had a phone pic of what was supposedly the back of Zimmerman’s head with cuts and blood. When I saw the pic I questioned it’s provenance, and since I’ve not seen reference to it anywhere else, I’m still assuming it’s bogus.
I just realized while watching the embedded video (thanks, mods) that Trayvon Martin was initially identified as John Doe because they did not know who he was — apparently he did not have any ID.
IIRC, his dad did not report him missing until later that night and did not identify Trayvon’s body until the next morning when the cops showed up at his doorstep with a photograph of Trayvon taken at the Medical Examiner’s office during the autopsy.
Assuming I am correct, George Zimmerman and the cops would not have known Trayvon’s identity while Zimmerman was being questioned Sunday night after the shooting. They did not know that he was staying in the neighborhood at Sheila Green’s residence.
Since no one knew who he was, they likely assumed he did not live there and did not know anyone who lived there.
They likely thought he was looking for a place to burglarize, which is the conclusion that Zimmerman had reached, and that may be why they were so willing to believe his story.
Zimmerman’s claim that he told the cops he wanted to apologize to Trayvon’s parents appears unlikely and, if it was a lie, it was an unnecessary lie.
A lie he may regret for the rest of his life.
ABC News claims to have obtained a close-up photograph of the back of George Zimmerman’s head at the scene of the shooting shortly after it happened. The photo has a time and date stamp of February 26, 2012 @1919:07 hrs, or 7:19:07 pm. The photo apparently was taken by an i-phone and ABC reports that the police were given a copy.
Trayvon’s girlfriend called him at 7:12 pm, which is confirmed by their respective cell phone carriers.
This is the call where he tells her that some guy is following him and she tells him to run. She said shortly after that, she heard him say, “Why are you following me?”
Then she heard what sounded like a struggle and the phone went dead. She called him back, but he did not answer.
Trayvon was dead when Sanford PD Officer Timothy Smith arrived at the scene at 7:17 pm, in response to Zimmerman’s call. He arrived two minutes before the photograph appears to have been taken.
Here is the link to the ABC video that has the photograph.
Notice the time and date stamp appears on the video immediately after the photograph is displayed.
Head wounds typically bleed a lot and, although the wounds appear to be rather nasty, one cannot really tell until the bleeding has stopped and the wound has been cleaned.
The bleeding appears to have stopped, which appears to indicate that it is not a serious wound, and Zimmerman declined to go to a hospital for treatment after a medic with Fire & Rescue took a look at it. Apparently, it did not need stitches.
The legal issue is whether a person in Zimmerman’s situation would have reasonably believed that he was in imminent danger of being killed or suffering serious bodily injury.
This photograph appears to help his cause, but it is not dispositive and we will have to see the other evidence, particularly the medic’s description of the injury, the autopsy report (indicating the trajectory of the shot and photographs of the entrance wound indicating whether the gunshot was a contact, near-contact, or distance wound), and the forensic examination of the clothing for blowback and blood spatter.
Keep in mind that even if Trayvon was assaulting Zimmerman, he had the right to stand his ground and defend himself using reasonable force to prevent being assaulted, if Zimmerman was the aggressor, and, even if he used excessive force or was the aggressor, Zimmerman could not use deadly force to defend himself unless he can satisfy the test that I described.
For example, if he broke free, gained the upper hand, and was not in imminent danger of being killed or suffering serious bodily injury, he would not be justified in shooting and killing Trayvon, who was unarmed.
I believe the photograph you mention is the one that I saw displayed in the video.
This is the photo that I saw displayed in the video.
Is it the one that you saw?
Yes, it’s the same photo. I guess I should have watched your video.
I’d like to know where it’s been for 2 months and where the rest of the photos are, especially those that are more professional.
$150,000 –> $15,000 for Zimmerman.
I know a guy in Florida who was arrested for one count of sale of a small amount of drug:
$500,000 –> $50,000.
Looks like whomever said he had a broken nose wasn’t reporting the truth.
ABC supposedly held onto it and refused to release it until recently.
That was damned decent of them.
I read a report around midweek last week in which a Florida lawyer reportedly said that a murder charge is not bondable. In other words, the 10% rule does not apply and Zimmerman would have to post the full amount of the bail, or $150,000.
However, reporters yesterday and today have been talking about Zimmerman’s family scrambling to assemble the collateral to back the bond. That suggests the 10% rule applies or
$15,000 cash to the bail bondsman (principal which is the fee the bail bondsman gets to keep regardless if Zimmerman makes his court appearances)
$150,000 unencumbered interest in property (probably real estate) which has been appraised to be worth at least that, conveyed by quitclaim deed to the bail bondsman, and recorded in the county recording office. The property would be reconveyed by quitclaim deed back to the person who posted it with the transaction recorded, if Zimmerman makes his court appearances. If he doesn’t, the bail bondsman is on the hook to the Clerk of the Seminole County Circuit Court for $150,000 as that is the amount of the bond posted by the bail bondsman in the Clerk’s Office to secure his release. If he rabbits on the bond, the bail bondsman has title to the property, which he can sell to reimburse himself for paying the $150,000 to the Clerk.
The 10% rule has been in effect everywhere that I have practiced law. That is, it’s applicable to any amount of bail set by the court.
this is riveting, it’s better then when I was glued to perry mason tv
If both Trayvon and Zimmerman both had the right to ‘stand their ground’, I would like to know if any weapons were visible. IOW, if Z has his gun out, and Trayvon had his Skittles out, who was more ‘threatened’?