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Cross posted from Frederick Leatherman Law Blog.
Image: Donkey Hotey / Flickr
Watt4Bob at Firedoglake posted a comment to my article, Should Mark O’Mara Withdraw as Counsel for George Zimmerman? He asked the following question, which probably is on most everyone’s mind this morning after the Sean Hannity interview of George Zimmerman last night.
I want to ask both Hannity and O’Mara what the hell good they think they did for that pathetic man, but I realize neither of them gives a damn and GZ is oblivious.
I can answer that question with three words:
EXPLOITATION. FOR. MONEY.
I am furious.
I cannot imagine myself, or any criminal defense attorney whom I respect, ever, under any set of circumstances, short of cardiac arrest, loss of consciousness or death, sitting passively beside my client as he denies any regret for killing an unarmed teenager, or anyone else for that matter, because it was “God’s plan” for him to die.
And to follow that statement with an “apology” to the kid’s parents in which he says he’s sorry they had to bury their child because he knows what it would be like to lose one of his as yet unborn children is . . . well,
What is it?
And all of this was delivered in a soft monotonous voice without any detectable trace of emotion as though he were describing doing the laundry.
Are there words that capture the depravity and emptiness of that shell of a human being?
If any of you were concerned whether the prosecution could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that George Zimmerman killed Trayvon Martin while acting with a depraved mind,, you need not worry any longer.
The prosecution must be drinkin’ the bubbly and dancin’ in the street.
I assure y’all, no client of mine would ever have said anything like that on national television with me present because I would have done something, anything, even ripped off my clothes and mooned Amerika in all my naked glory, just to shut him up.
And this appears to have been scripted.
Jesus Christ on a bicycle.
Can there be any doubt who is calling the shots for the defense?
George Zimmerman is representing himself with Mark O’Mara dancing to his tune while playing the role of his attorney.
If anyone still believes George Zimmerman is not a devious and manipulative person, please listen to this audio recording of a jailhouse telephone call when he called right-wing Pastor Terry Jones of let’s-all-of-us-sinners-party-on-the-lawn-burnin’-Korans fame to pray with him for the healing of America and ask him to cancel a pro-Zimmerman demonstration to calm people down.
Hell, listen to it anyway.
Just for the halibut.
(h/t to Crazy1946 @ my website for spotting this recorded conversation and posting a comment about it)
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Great post, Mason. It has occurred to me that maybe GZ insisted on doing the interview over MOM’s objections.
I did not watch it, and have seen only a few clips. But I’ve read that GZ claims not to have known that Trayvon was dead until an hour after he got to the police station. Leaving aside, for the moment, the fact that he told a witness to call his wife and tell her that he shot someone, let’s consider the possibilities. Certainly GZ knows that he fired his gun (in contact with Trayvon’s clothing and within inches of his chest). There are two possibilities:
A. he missed
B. he hit Trayvon
If A, then why was GZ no longer concerned about Trayvon, the fighting machine, beating up on him some more? Why didn’t he warn the witnesses and the police about the dangerous criminal who was, for some strange reason, lying on the ground without moving?
If B, then why wasn’t GZ telling the witnesses, the police, and the paramedics that there was an injured person to be treated? Why didn’t he ask about Trayvon’s condition?
His story is getting worse and worse.
Maybe there is a deep, subtle plan. After GZ is convicted, he can appeal on the basis that MOM was incompetent. The evidence for this seems to be accumulating. Or maybe they are hoping to goad the judge into yanking GZ back to jail, thereby stirring up the “supporters” and their wallets?
Thanks for another great post Mason.
I’d argue that someone in the Conservative gun lobby is actually calling the shots here. Zimmerman doesn’t seem bright enough to be this manipulative and to plan this far ahead. I also sincerely doubt he has the pull to get FauxSnooze airtime on his own.
This is precisely what my wife thinks is happening. She’s been saying it for weeks.
Here’s a post from Standbyme at my website:
GZ also was a student in his last semester of an AA degree in Criminal Justice at a local junior college.
Difficult to imagine that the topic of self-defense and STG never came up with Ostrander, an air marshal with DHS and former Seminole County Deputy Sheriff, when he was target shooting.
I caught that too. It’s obviously another lie from GZ. That law has been in place since mid 2000′s right? He obtained his concealed carry permit after the law went into effect, which means the law would have been part of any CCP/CCL classes he would’ve taken prior to getting his permit.
There have been plenty of death penalty appeals made on that basis — that the appellant didn’t get a fair trial due to incompetent representation. I’ve never heard of one that succeeded.
mfi
Diaryforasuccessfulloser at my website posted the following comment:
This is a violation of his conditions of release whereas the “apology” to Martin’s parents during the Hannity interview is sort of in a gray area.
Mind you, if I were the judge, I would issue a bench warrant for his arrest for violating the no-contact order, neither direct nor indirect, as this qualifies as indirect in my opinion.
To the extent that the judge, and it won’t be Judge Lester because he is on vacation, might be disinclined to consider his “apology” a violation of the order, reestablishing the website and twitter account is an in-your-face violation of the condition of release directing him to stay off the internet.
This is so blatant that, assuming it’s true, it makes me wonder if GZ isn’t attempting to commit suicide by cop.
In other words, violate the conditions of release in the name of free speech while in pursuit of right wing martyrdom and shoot it out on national TV with the deputies who are dispatched to arrest him on the bench warrant.
Does anyone doubt that he has managed somehow to arm himself with another gun since he got out on jail?
I hope I am wrong, but his conduct is so bizarre and irrational that I cannot help but wonder, if a scenario like this is on his mind.
If deputies are dispatched to arrest him, they better figure out a plan to deal with this potential contingency so that no one, including George Zimmerman, is killed.
I think GZ has some serious mental problems.
I am speechless
he made a jokes on the released phone calls about going to a Justice for Trayvon rally incognito, about wearing a hoodie when he is released (did that one twice)
how this guy gets any support is disturbing…not surprising, but awfully disturbing
Speaking of the internet, I saw a link on another site to a new Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/george.zimmerman.906?sk=wall
I tend to think that this is a sham. Surely GZ would not set up a page on which he includes in activities “Shooting of Trayvon Martin.”
Then I have to think that GZ insisted on doing this and MOM couldn’t stop him.
On a violation like this- developing yet another web site when the conditions state not to do so, will most likely result in a warrant and immediate re-arrest. They won’t call. They will simply knock on his door.
Very unfortunate turn, I would not be surprised if a violation of release is filed soon.
It seems that you and Mason are assuming that GZ set up the website.
I think it likely that someone else did it. A friend or relative of GZ, and certainly at GZ’s behest, but that is very tough to prove.
I guess God just expanded His plan – http://www.scribd.com/doc/100525084/State-s-4th-Supplemental-Discovery-7-19-12
Words (almost) fail me. That interview on fox killed any chance GZ had for a decent plea bargain. As prosecutor, I would no longer feel ANY need to deal. The best GZ could get out me now would be “Plead guilty to everything and I won’t make a sentencing recommendation”.
Is MOM setting up an ineffective lawyer appeal? Is he angry and bitter because the bail bondsman is getting the money he was going to be paid? Is he just doing what GZ tells him to do while billing by the hour?
A lawyer is supposed to protect his client from doing something like this. Even if GZ didn’t know better (he should), MOM certainly did.
Boxturtle (I guess the Florida bar doesn’t sanction anyone who is current on their dues)
I can’t believe it’s legal to have a suspected murderer on television. Talk about tainting the jury pool. This is so wrong in so many ways. Of course the mass murdering war criminal in chief is on all the time. And now he’s hunting for the poor who’ve been foreclosed (sorry different thread)
I very rarely de-lurk to comment, but I wanted to say thank you Mason for your coverage and also to the fine commenters. I knew what I believed to be true about this case, but your posts and the resulting conversations have helped me to untangle my feelings from the actual. I don’t comment often, but I am always reading along. Thanks again.
Very valid points and an interesting theory. While it’s possible that MOM managed to arrange that appearence, the idea that some VIP gunlover or such made the call makes more sense.
Whom would that be…
Boxturtle (I’m pretty certain Cheney is innocent of that)
He owned that website url. Nobody could have usurped it without his assistance. Would helping someone else set up an internet presence for GZ violate the judges order?
In any case, being locked up is the best thing that could happen to GZ right now as it will shut him up!
Boxturtle (And before this is over, he’s gonna wish he was locked up sooner)
(insert current NRA preznit’s name here…)
Even as the owner of the URL he could’ve given the necessary login information to reactivate the site to anyone. He could’ve done that before the order that prompted him to take the site down. Next to impossible for the prosecution to prove, as I mentioned above, but one could think of plausible scenarios that the defense could throw out to muddy the waters on the issue.
I think it likely that GZ passed the necessary info to a friend or family member without consulting MOM. I’m also pretty sure MOM doesn’t care. It’s kind of obvious at this point that MOM is in it for all the money he can take, and for the inroad with the neo-con gun-toting sect.
If somebody else did that and put his name on it, they really really did not do this guy any favors. At all. From my observation, the conditions of release are something that the courts absolutely do not play with. I have seen people violate time and time again, and man, is it ever ugly.
Z needs to contact O’Mara immediately and remove such a site, if it exists, because this could result in grave consequences for Mr. Zimmerman.
MOM needs to contact GZ at once, explain to him that he’s an idiot who is about to discover what a REALLY pissed judge can do, and order him to have those accounts killed.
MOM is supposed to protect him from himself.
Boxturtle (MOM also needs to make sure that nobody who saw that interview is on the jury)
The damage is broader than that, BoxTurtle. I didn’t watch the interview, but in the comments thread to the previous article multiple Tweets from those who were watching it were posted. They gave quite a lot of information. So, the taint goes beyond those who saw it.
Here is the original website, apparently with a letter from Mr. Zimmerman to his supporters. This is a grave mistake.
http://www.therealgeorgezimmerman.com/
hah! he can make all the recorded phone calls he wants from jail. it’ll just take us a little longer to hear what he says whenever the calls should get released.
There are two domains:
1. http://www.therealgeorgezimmerman.com/
and
2. http://www.gzdefensefund.com/
Running whois (Whois) turns up the following data about the latter:
Registrant:
O’Mara Law Group
1416 E. Concord Street
Orlando, Florida 32803
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, LLC (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: GZDEFENSEFUND.COM
Created on: 23-Apr-12
Expires on: 23-Apr-14
Last Updated on: 06-May-12
Administrative Contact:
O’Mara, Mark GZ2012@markomaralaw.com
O’Mara Law Group
1416 E. Concord Street
Orlando, Florida 32803
United States
+1.4078985151 Fax — +1.4078982468
Technical Contact:
O’Mara, Mark GZ2012@markomaralaw.com
O’Mara Law Group
1416 E. Concord Street
Orlando, Florida 32803
United States
+1.4078985151 Fax — +1.4078982468
Domain servers in listed order:
NS833.WEBSITEWELCOME.COM
NS834.WEBSITEWELCOME.COM
Nothing surprising there.
Turning to http://www.therealgeorgezimmerman.com/
We get the following:
Registrant:
Domains By Proxy, LLC
DomainsByProxy.com
14747 N Northsight Blvd Suite 111, PMB 309
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, LLC (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: THEREALGEORGEZIMMERMAN.COM
Created on: 08-Apr-12
Expires on: 08-Apr-13
Last Updated on: 12-Jul-12
Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration THEREALGEORGEZIMMERMAN.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains By Proxy, LLC
DomainsByProxy.com
14747 N Northsight Blvd Suite 111, PMB 309
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax — (480) 624-2598
Technical Contact:
Private, Registration THEREALGEORGEZIMMERMAN.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains By Proxy, LLC
DomainsByProxy.com
14747 N Northsight Blvd Suite 111, PMB 309
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax — (480) 624-2598
Domain servers in listed order:
NS833.WEBSITEWELCOME.COM
NS834.WEBSITEWELCOME.COM
Which means that somebody got wise and used a proxy registrar – one does this if one registers a domain but does not want your name, address, email, etc, plastered all over the web. There’s nothing sinister about using a proxy. But it does mean that the prosecution will have to get Domains By Proxy, to cough up the name of the registrant. That is very easily done but nevertheless …
Having got the names of the registrant(s) they now have to prove that the beneficial owner is Zimmerman and that he is therefore in breach. That’s not as easy you might think.
You should note the above applies to domains only. Twitter, facebook, blogspot, etc, are diffeerent but I’m not sufficiently well-versed in the ins and outs to be comfortable commenting.
mfi
I’m not sure anybody has a full grip on the damage GZ has done to himself and his case to date, even without this latest coffin nail.
Now that most of the prosecution’s case is open, it should have been obvious to MOM that GZ’s only hope was a friendly jury. Even if he gets aquitted, I think the Feds might come back with Civil Rights charges.
MOM has just GOT to shut GZ up. Yet he shows no signs of doing so and in fact seems to encourage these public statements.
Boxturtle (Could Fox have bought MOM/GZ in return for the ratings they’d bring?)
Mason, since you mention this interview seems to have been scripted, I’d like to add that I’ve wondered if the entire incident, down to GZ’s encounter with TM, wasn’t some script running through GZ’s head.
I’d like to know if GZ had, prior to TM, ever encountered someone else he thought suspicious and how that person responded. When one is walking around their own neighborhood, or anywhere else they have every right to be, one generally greats people they meet by saying “hi”, “how ya doing”, etc. One doesn’t expect to be asked “what are you doing here?”, as I seem to remember being attributed to GZ. I’ve been wondering how I’d respond if asked such a question in my own neighborhood. I’ve concluded I might well say “none of your fuckin’ business”, simply because such a question is so far outside of normal social etiquette.
This leads me to a comment mfi made on anther thread about recall and how people aren’t necessarily good at it. However, if I recall correctly from GZ’s reenactment video, and I didn’t watch it all, GZ seemed to have perfect recall. At the time that struck me as odd and got me to wondering if GZ didn’t have some preplanned script in his head for how he would handle future encounters with “suspicious” people. If, hypothetically, previously, he’d been told to get lost when he asked someone what they were doing, he might well have come up with a plan to “handle” the next encounter with more aplomb, by his definition, and even shoot them if they questioned his authority.
Frankly, the more I know of GZ, the more likely I think it could be he, to a certain extent, preplanned TMs murder.
Apparently, the State of Florida has added the interview to their discovery. Link coming.
100 percent agree. This is going off the rails.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/100525084/State-s-4th-Supplemental-Discovery-7-19-12
mfi
Better check for typos. It’s tough to type while laughing yourself to tears after a night of drinking champaigne.
Boxturtle (Think they’d subpoena Hannity and ask if the interview was scripted?)
Two Sides to the Story at my site posted this comment:
Pardon me for posting this twice – State of FL just added the interview to their discovery – http://www.scribd.com/doc/100525084/State-s-4th-Supplemental-Discovery-7-19-12
Also, here’s George Zimmerman up and runnin’ on his website in an apparently flagrant violation of his conditions of release.
See my comment above. Then prove to me that Zimmerman is the registrant (you can’t) then prove to me that he’s the beneficial owner (again you can’t).
I could fake a site to do with you or Zimmerman or Jane Hamsher or anyone else I choose with laughable ease. I’m not saying Zimmerman’s not in breach but but but mason it has not yet been proved.
mfi
Millions of Americans hate Fox News and GZ’s chummy relationship with Hannity will surely make it more difficult to obtain an impartial jury. My guess is that O’Mara begged GZ not to do the interview and GZ, being the control freak that he is, ignored the advice. As for me, I couldn’t watch the interview! Thanks for your posts, blue, because I find it difficult to watch this train wreck on the television!
I imagine a judge’s aide is chasing down the facts with byproxy.com right now…
But it cuts both ways. Millions of Americans especially in the
racistsunshine belt love Fox News and believe every word it spouts with a passion they normally only reserve for the more bloodthirsty parts of the Old Testament. Zimmerman’s “chummy relationship with Hannity will surely make it more difficult to obtain an impartial jury” is very true but it cuts both ways. It’d be relatively easy I suspect to find people favourably impressed by the interview.mfi
I rather suspect you’re right. And if not a judge’s aide then some eager beaver in the prosecutor’s office, (or even oh glorious thought oh please please please let it true somebody in the bondsman’s office) …
mfi
Wouldn’t it be lovely if the bondsman’s hired security turned on GZ and escorted him to jail?
I mentioned on the thread last night that the state would do this. Can’t see how GZ and MOM didn’t know it would happen. According to the news last night it was a 90 minute interview but only 40 minutes were used. No doubt they are also busy issuing subpoenas for everyone involved including whomever cleaned the hotel room when the interview was over.
I didn’t think we allowed public hangings in this country anymore but there it was on the teebee last night, for all to see.
Excellent information, markfromireland, thank you.
Okay, and thank you again.
I see you have as nasty a mind as I do. :-)
mfi
Thanks, Mark.
That’s good information to know.
I’ll bet the prosecution is scramblin’ to identify the source ASAP.
You’re welcome, and I’m chagrined to see that I forgot to paste the link giving credit to Two sides to the story July 19th, 2012 at 8:51 am @ 13 above.
mfi
Just, what can I say? This is a disaster. The court won’t play around with this stuff. I do not know what O’Mara was possibly thinking. I cannot imagine. Never seen anything like it.
Yes, I now realize you’re right. I thanked you for demonstrating why in your earlier comment and I’m just working my way through the comments from earliest to latest.
Apologies to all for my mistake.
Mark is right.
Curtain up on undisclosed location, interior, front door.
*Knock knock*
Enter GZ in footy pajamas, opens door. Cut to exterior of undisclosed location, large gentleman in leather jacket on stoop.
GZ – What’s up Tony?
Tony – Come with me, George.
GZ Where are we going Tony?
Tony – We’ll tell you on the way. Get in the car. But first, put some fucking pants on. You’re supposed to be an adult.
#lulz
I would certainly hope so.
As a general point for readers Privacy and the net don’t mix (It was designed to be an open information source). Don’t EVER rely on “privacy” in anything to do with the net. NEVER put anything on the net that you wouldn’t be comfortable with your worst enemy knowing.
mfi
Amen.
LOL.
This comment from Sergio @ the Smirking Chimp:
NP :-). I place rather more reliance on people who have the sense and the honesty to see when they’ve slipped up than on those who do not. I place even more reliance on them when they have the integrity to recognise that fact to others.
mfi
Un-fucking-believable.
You really should read the article that mason linked to it’s quite extraordinary.
mfi
From the article;
It seems GZ is confused about the actual nature of the lawyer-client relationship.
GZ seems to want O’Mara to be his talent agent?
Doesn’t O’Mara have some professional responsibility to correct GZ’s misunderstanding of this relationship?
Wow. Thanks for telling me to actually read it :)
GZ insisting ABC provide him with a hotel room for a month? Absurd.
Also, sounds like the plea to do an on-air interview today was maneuvering to try and run damage control after last night’s interview. GZ and MOM may have thought Barbara would give them air time if they dropped their demands and that would provide an opportunity to clean up the FauxSnooze mess. Or maybe GZ is doing this on his own?
The ‘mess’ is never going to do anything but get worse until GZ decides to STFU.
Shall we start a pool?
That article, as well as a couple others on the Miami Herald site are, indeed, quite extraordinary.
Maybe he hopes to get a reality show when his trial is over.
where on the site is that? i didn’t see it.
WTF could MOM be thinking? I’ve got to figure he’s working the potential jury pool, trying to nullify before selection. It’s the only thing that’s even minimally rational and the only other explanations are incompetence, corruption, and borderline insanity.
Boxturtle (And frankly, all the other explanations make more sense)
Insane its a plea for negative attention Trying to turn GZ into a political gun nut racist hero will get you plenty of attention Negative Attention if he loses the case!
GZ needed to address somehow the accusation that he is a child molester in that interview and put it to rest.
I have not seen the interview. I have only read comments from people who have seen the interview but what I am not seeing is GZ lay to rest the accusation that he is a child molester.
Instead it seems Mark O’Mara had GZ on Hannity in order to get more money sent to his website before the news GZ is an accused child molester becomes widespread knowledge.
MOM has his own website to raise cash to defend GZ I have heard that website will be a waste of money once the news about GZ gets out.
MOM is acting in the best interest of his own fame and getting paid GZ needs a new lawyer.
How can any lawyer waste time trying to get rid of a judge but not file paper work to stop everyone from finding out his client is an accused child molester?
Even GZ’s defenders I am sure are not happy with MOM. I wonder how the Red sites are reacting to this news.
Or a cell (and shower room) all to himself.
mfi
Hey Mason…welcome to Justice Florida Style. Or real estate ain’t the only scam down there.
His professional responsibility is to act in his client’s best interests. I don’t see that happening here.
mfi
I have no idea. This sort of circus is utterly alien to me.
mfi
Jurors sometimes lie GZ is being accused of being a Child Molester it is vary likely in such cases that jurors will lie about not having heard the accusation or that they can be impartial about it.
GZ appearing on tv and not handling this issue will hurt him even more. I think GZ and MOM both want a last internet fund raising before the news GZ is an accused child molester gets out.
However with this news deep pocket GOPers will close their wallets even the Koch Brothers, though I admit Ted Nugent might stick with GZ.
Me too.
But shouldn’t MOM, GZ, and Hannity all know that the interview would be made available on FOX’s website for upload to the net?
There’s a word which keeps on popping up in comments – twice so far tonight, and somewhat more often in earlier postings. That word is “insane” synonyms/variants such as “sick” also make regular appearances. IMO people are very reluctant to admit that there are quite simply people who are evil. Bad. And that it’s possible that Zimmerman is one of them. That he is not insane or sick, or deluded, or disturbed, or any of those other comforting lies that have become such a huge part of our discourse but that he’s bad through and through and is enjoying himself hugely.
Personally I’m of the opinion:
1. He’s guilty of murder.
2. He’s bad through and through and is enjoying himself hugely.
That’s my opinion based on what I’ve seen reported thus far. Despite, indeed because of that, it’s even more important that he receive a fair trial in which his guilty is established beyond reasonable doubt and he suffers retribution. If his guilt is not established beyond reasonable doubt even though we think he’s guilty as sin then he must be set free. (And yes you can have miscarriages of justice in which guilty people go free).
mfi
Yes. What’s that got to do with anything? For whatever reason they’ve chosen a reckless course of action. Recklessness indeed seems to be one Zimmerman’s defining character traits.
mfi
I don’t know whether this rises to the standard of “proof,” but here is a link to an interview in which MOM discusses the fact that GZ has revived his website, and the reasons for doing so:
http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florida/trayvon-martin-extended-coverage/Zimmerman-apologizes-relaunches-website-in-TV-interview/-/14266478/15600606/-/ikgerxz/-/index.html#ixzz216Ds5gaa
Surely this is enough for bail revocation?
Zimmerman apologizes, relaunches website in TV interview | Trayvon Martin – WESH Home:
(Emphasis mine)
I would certainly think so.
mfi
Seconded but GZ was with his lawyer on tv breaking the judges order so what happens to GZ’s lawyer who should have warned him breaking a judge’s order is a bad idea?
Incidentally nowhere in that interview on Fox did Zimmerman apologise for what he did. Nowhere. I’m sure he’s very sorry that he is being inconvenienced by the consequences of his actions but I see no trace of remorse for the actions themselves.
mfi
Probably not very much.
mfi
I very much agree.
I drove a taxi for sixteen years, and during that time, on average, I met about two entirely evil people each year.
People so evil that they deserve to be shot on sight.
Most people never meet anyone that fits this description, and for that, they should consider themselves lucky.
People like this make one believe in demonic possession.
When you consider that a taxi driver meets, and does business with 20 new people every day, you can see how rare truly evil people are, but they do exist.
One of the truly terrifying complications of this situation is the fact that many of these truly evil people are capable of projecting the illusion of a very charming persona when ‘necessary’.
Ok I agree with you but if my lawyer is right next to me when I’m on tv and doesn’t warn me what I and he know I am going to do next is illegal and I get arrested.
I for one would sue my lawyer and given the other mistakes MOM made telling GZ to plead indigent after MOM knew GZ had internet cash, not opposing the release of accusation’s GZ’s is a child molester and now breaking the judge’s order which very well might get GZ back in jail.
One has to wonder just how incompetent MOM is.
Hold on everyone.
Someone on my site just mentioned that there is no condition in his conditions of release that prohibits establishing and/or maintaining an internet site.
That person is correct and I was mistaken.
I apologize for the error.
Here are the conditions of release, in addition to posting the @1,000,000 bond that has been posted by the bail bondsman.
a. The Defendant shall refrain from criminal activity of any kind;
b. The Defendant shall not have any contact with the victim’s family, directly or indirectly, except as necessary to conduct pretrial discovery through his attorneys;
c. The Defendant shall be subject to electronic monitoring at his own expense;
d. The defendant shall not leave Seminole County without prior authorization by this Court;
e. The Defendant shall check in with the Pre-trial Release Department every 48 hours;
f. The Defendant shall not enter the property of the Orlando-Sanford International Airport;
g. The Defendant shall not open or maintain a bank account;
h. The Defendant shall not consume any alcohol;
i. The Defendant shall obey a curfew between 6 pm and 6 am.
j. The Defendant shall not apply for or obtain a passport.
Carry on.
Very charming indeed I agree.
mfi
I do want GZ in jail but MOM is making me worry that GZ won’t get a fair trial. I do think GZ is evil enjoyed shooting Trayvon and that GZ is also stupid enough to think he can get away with it plus he is probably insane. I would like to know what incidents led to GZ being prescribed all the medication he is on.
MOM however is none of these things and is in fact suppose to protect people like GZ from even themselves.
Instead MOM seems to love the attention and cash even though to get the attention he will likely lose this case and so far one might argue he is losing this case.
Here’s the states entire case, right here. Seems to me it’s all they need.
He just should have stayed in his car as instructed. GZ put himself in the position where he felt he needed to murder TM by following him.
Actually, I was wondering where the “stay away from the internet” meme had come from, as I didn’t recall hearing it before.
And with what funds would you pay the lawyer to sue your lawyer? And don’t say “no foal no fee”. The other point is of course that ignorance of the law is no excuse for lawbreaking. You try to sue and I can take the implications of that a very long way indeed.
mfi
GZ’s apology to the family breaks b
d. The defendant shall not leave Seminole County without prior authorization by this Court;
I doubt Fox News has a studio in Seminole County. I doubt a judge would approve of a person who committed perjury like GZ of going on tv Out of State to very possibly influence a jury pool.
f. The Defendant shall not enter the property of the Orlando-Sanford International Airport;
The wording is curious would it not be better to say GZ can’t go on the property of any airport?
Minor quibble d I think is the big thing.
I think I heard that the parents of Trayvon will be on Hannity tonight. I was in the car not paying attention, but I think that was the blurb.
Well If I were GZ I would have over $100,000 to sue now wouldn’t I? Plus firing your lawyer means a delay in the trial.
GZ I am sure needs every delay he can get so he can plot his fleeing to another country. I am not saying its a smart plan or that it will work but I am saying GZ is likely thinking about it.
Crap this undercuts everything nobody expects Hannity to give an African American a fair interview.
Ok I’m depressed now I will check for a new post Friday to see how they did on Hannity. Ironically it may help the case if Trayvon’s parents are publicly abused by a racist like Hannity famous for ignoring facts presented and cutting people off before they can make their point.
A comparison between how Hannity treats GZ and Trayvon’s parents would be interesting.
Well poot but then again it gave KrisAinTX and myself the excuse to have fun giving free rein to our unpleasant imaginations.Consolation prize :-)
mfi
I’m going to sue your socks off for being such a pest and such an incompetent client and an even more incompetent fund raiser. A measly 100K is hardly worth getting out of bed for. The judge will barely be able to refrain from howling in sympathetic despair that I got lumbered with such a client ….
mfi
The judge will barely be able to refrain from howling in sympathetic despair that I got lumbered with such a client ….
GZ can make many of the same claims about his lawyer and unlike GZ the lawyer should know better.
I had to ask almost beg my parole officer to go to college in another county in the same state.
I kind of do not see any judge or parole officer letting anybody in the system go out of state to possibly mess up the jury pool with lies, bad mouth the system much less a judge who GZ just tried to get thrown off the case on national tv.
So I wonder did GZ leave the state with no permission in which case he goes straight back to jail.
Or what compelled the judge to let GZ out of state?
Does managing a paypal account not fall under – ?
That would be interesting…
Very nice catch:)
They did the interview in a hotel in Seminole county. As to the airport, there is only one major airport in Seminole county, the Orlando-Sanford a/p. Orlando International is in a different county.
Interview transcript here:
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/2012/07/18/exclusive-george-zimmerman-breaks-silence-hannity?page=1
I wonder just how many lies GZ told total in his interview?
I’m not up enough on this case to catch all the lies you and Mason are and thanks I would myself prefer to read rather than watch Fox News I don’t have high blood pressure but then again I don’t want high blood pressure.
How do you know he left the state to do the interview?
He could have been interviewed remotely or they could have used a Fox affiliate in Orlando, assuming Orlando is in Seminole County and there’s a Fox affiliate there.
I don’t know, but he would have been in violation of the conditions of release, if he left Seminole County without “prior authorization of this Court.” See condition (d) & comment 79.
I think the donation button on the realgeorgezimmerman site goes to MOM’s site where the donations are deposited into a trust account.
As I am blameless, you may direct your ire at Mr. Nikko, my African Grey parrot, who pursuant to subparagraph ixx of paragraph 172 of the Agreement is responsible for all of my FUBARs & SNAFUs.
Heh.
Tweeted. Recommended. Thanks again Mib
So, you admitted to following TM, didn’t you, when you were interviewed by Sean Hannity on July 18th, isn’t that correct?
Yet, you denied following TM when to were interviewed by (fill in the blank) on or about (fill in the date), didn’t you?
That was a lie wasn’t it?
And, you denied following TM when to were interviewed by (fill in the blank) on or about (fill in the date), didn’t you?
That also was a lie wasn’t it?
Lather, rinse and repeat until each lie is exposed and then move on to the next subject that he lied about and repeat the process until the coyotes howl at the Moon.
Use a large poster board exhibit with strips of tape across each lie and rip it back exposing the lie, the date of the lie, and the person lied to after he admits to it. Preferably use tape that makes a sound like duct tape so every person in the courtroom will forever associate that delicious sound with Zimmerman lying.
Ain’t nobody going to believe him after that cross and Satan will be hangin’ the No Vacancy sign on the doorway to Hell because even he won’t want him.
Being in trial can be a lot of fun, unless you are the witness undergoing a cross like that.
The key is to ask “yes” or “no” questions and never let him explain.
If he tries to explain, cut him off with an objection on the ground that his attempted explanation is unresponsive and move to strike it.
As needed, ask the judge to instruct the jury to disregard his attempted explanation.
Also, as needed ask the judge to order the witness to answer the question “yes” or “no.”
This man who didn’t not follow TM when advised to by the dispatcher, and doesn’t follow (presumed) advise from his lawyer to not get on national teevee etc. sounds exactly like the type of loose cannon that should be locked up with the key thrown away for the good of society.
Thanks Boo.
Love your internet name.
It’s a classic.
They seem desperate for donations over at GZLC (site and FB) – they’re not posting the new discovery as they usually do. The only thread on FB is an open thread thanking supporters. In the past they’ve allowed discussion on the site, but have been banning quite a few non-supporters the past few days.
Two sides to the story, hello and welcome to FDL/MyFDL!
been thinking this from day one
Welcome to the Lake, 2 sides.
Gee, I wonder why they are having trouble raising money./s
i agree 100%
Somehow, I cannot help but put myself in the defense team shoes and ask myself this:
On a sheet of paper divided into two columns, on the left-hand column we will write down everything we have to gain from this interview, and on the right-hand column- everything we have to lose.
I get money on the pro column, but it is money that can be made in other ways.
In the ‘con’ column, I stand to lose everything.
This was a reckless move for the defense. If I were the defense, Mr. Zimmerman would not open his mouth in public. Ever. If he opened his mouth, I would leave the case. Period. Rather, Mark O’Mara seems as reckless. As reckless as his client. This is not good.
Remember his air marshal buddy….
Don’t blame Nikko. He is in the bathroom, shaving with your razor and brushing his beak with your toothbrush. He got no blame in this.
(He really does these things)
Great posts one and all. The interview was a disaster and they followed it up with more craziness (the B. Walters stuff) and I think SH is going to broadcast more of it tomorrow. The prosecution has to be loving this situation. Imagine what’s on the unedited stuff.
I can’t imagine anybody outside of the rapidly decreasing “Zimmerman protective zone” had anything good to say about what happened yesterday.
Mason,
I’m posting this from your blog. Wow…
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/19/2902578/zimmerman-calls-barbara-walter.html
Apparently, GZ sold what remains of his integrity on SH for a mere $1500.
And he probably helped the state put that last nail in his coffin for a mere $1500.
I guess treating your supporters like cash cows isn’t a good idea.
This Orlando Sentinel article has some tidbits you all might find interesting.
Just reading around tonight, it seems that o’Mara has completely lost control of what appears to be a very sick client at this point.
From Zimmerman’s new fan appreciation video
He. just. does. not. get. it.
and I am afraid that his
fansenablers are partially responsible.I have a new post up.
I am Worried about Mark O’Mara and George Zimmerman.
Anybody who claims it was God’s plan after instigating and killing an innocent teenager is a lying scoundrel. That’s a known fact.
geez.
not even close.
mfi, I am *so* stealing that line.