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I recently listened again to the terrified scream that ended with a gunshot and, for the following reasons, I am now even more certain that TM was screaming.
(1) The scream abruptly stops with the gunshot, which is exactly what one would expect to happen, if TM were screaming. Since the bullet destroyed his right ventricle and collapsed both lungs, he would have lost consciousness almost immediately and would not have been able to push any air past his vocal cords to make a sound.
(2) If GZ were screaming, I do not believe he would have stopped screaming at the exact instant he fired the gun because he would not have known if his life was still in danger and he needed help.
(3) Indeed, according to GZ, he thought his life was still in danger and he kept calling for help. He said he did not know if the shot hit TM and did not find out that he killed TM until an hour and a half after he arrived at the police station. He said TM sat up and said something like, “You got it or you got me.” Then TM fell over or GZ pushed him aside and quickly straddled TM’s body, which was face down. He grabbed TM’s hands and spread them apart so that TM was in a Y-position and he could prevent him from getting up or reaching his gun. He said TM was struggling to get away and kept swearing at him. GZ added that when the neighbor showed up and asked if he should call 911, he told him “No. I need help controlling this guy. Help me, please.” If that story were true, and absolutely none of it is, he would not have stopped screaming or calling for help. Consider, for example, that TM’s body was face down in the grass with his hands under his chest.
(3) There are no audible screams or calls for help after the shot and the scream that ends abruptly with the shot is not a scream for help.
(4) The person is screaming, “No!”
(5) People seeking help do not scream “No.”
(6) We know GZ was lying because it would have been physically impossible for TM to have done any of the things GZ said he did after he fired the fatal shot.
(7) GZ would have realized that no one would believe he killed TM in self-defense, if TM were the person screaming. Therefore, he had to claim that he was the person screaming and he had to tell a story that would support his claim. Depicting TM as still struggling and swearing after the shot was part of that false narrative.
(8) Unfortunately for GZ, he got carried away with supplying false details to support his false narrative. He failed to realize that he would not have had any reason to stop screaming after the shot, if the details he provided about TM being still alive and struggling to get his gun were true and, of course, he did not know that the gunshot wound would prove that all of the unnecessary and inconsistent after-the-shot details he provided were false.
Of course, I have other reasons I have mentioned in previous articles and comments explaining why I believe TM was screaming for help. Briefly,
(9) GZ was an ex-bouncer who had worked security at raves and he was over 40 pounds heavier than TM. He was armed with a loaded gun and TM was unarmed. He would have had a significant physical advantage in a wrestling type encounter with TM.
(10) GZ’s injuries were superficial and no reasonable person would believe he was in imminent danger of being killed or seriously injured. For example, the photographs taken at the police station do not support his claim that he had a broken nose and there are no X-rays to support his claim. The two small cuts to the back of his head do not support his claim that his head was repeatedly banged against a sidewalk and the pattern of the blood flow is not consistent with GZ lying on his back. It is consistent, however, with GZ’s head being upright and leaning forward. The absence of significant abrasions and swelling also are inconsistent with his claim.
(11) As mataharley pointed out yesterday, the debris field commencing with GZ’s small flashlight and key chain next to the N/S sidewalk a few feet south of the T intersection and extending south and a little beyond TM’s body indicates a struggle headed S/B toward the place where TM was staying. This is consistent with TM screaming and attempting to flee toward the place where he was staying with GZ in hot pursuit attempting to prevent him from getting away and inconsistent with GZ’s claim that TM assaulted and attempted to kill him with his bare hands up near the T intersection.
(12) The trajectory of the entry wound directly from front to back, the stippling around the wound, and the alignment of the two holes in the garments he was wearing with the wound indicate the sweatshirts were gripped together and pulled down when GZ fired the fatal shot with the muzzle of the gun in contact with the garment and 2-4 inches from the entry wound. This is not consistent with GZ’s claim of self-defense, but it is consistent with TM attempting to pull away and screaming “No” when GZ fired the fatal shot.
(13) The absence of any of GZ’s blood on the sleeves and cuffs of TM’s sweatshirts and the presence of only TM’s DNA on his fingernail scrapings is inconsistent with GZ’s claim that TM was hitting him repeatedly in the face, gripping and slamming his bloody head repeatedly into the concrete, and gripping his nose while attempting to close his mouth to suffocate him and prevent him from screaming.



23 Comments

Thanks for your work in laying out the facts of this monstrously tragic case. If this doesn’t piss you off, you’ve got a hole in your soul.
Here’s a comment from Truth Seeker 12 at my site with a better link:
I agree and then there is this article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/trayvon-martin-case-911-call-two-experts-reach-two-much-different-conclusions/2012/05/19/gIQAtuapbU_story_3.html
The FBI analysts state that they cannot determine which voice is who’s but they do not mention whether or not they can determine what is being said. Also the FBI person who is discussing the NEN tape did not listen to the enhanced segments of the call.
Sorry…I didn’t even mention why I find this article important. The experts believe they here someone say, “I’m begging you,” and “Stop.” I also believe I hear, (what I believe to be Trayvon), screaming, “I don’t know.”
Here’s a comment from AC at my site:
“I believe that’s Trayvon Martin in the background, without a doubt,” Primeau says, stressing that the tone of the voice is a giveaway. “That’s a young man screaming.”
Crimesider Staff (2 April 2012) The Screams on 911 call not Zimmerman, Forensic voice experts say. CBS News
Tom Owen, forensic consultant for Owen Forensic Services LLC and chair emeritus for the American Board of Recorded Evidence, used voice identification software to rule out Zimmerman. Another expert contacted by the Sentinel, utilizing different techniques, came to the same conclusion. . . ” you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it’s not Zimmerman,”
Dan Abrams. (31 March 2012). It’s not George Zimmerman Screaming For Help on 911 Tape, Audio Experts Tell Orlando Sentinel. Mediate.
Fox News. (01 April 2012).Voice hear screaming on 911 tape is not Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman. experts says. Fox News.
Do you think anyone has bothered to X-ray GZ’s nose? A break might heal, but evidence of said break is with you for life. I don’t know how long after a break heals, it “matures” (maybe calcifies would be a better word), but I would think that within the first few months a break can be determined to be new or old.
I’ll tell you what Mason, with all the inconsistencies laid out, as you have done, it’s hard to imagine GZ will get anything other than the full 25 years.
Number 5:
is to my mind a bit dubious. People being attacked do scream “No” and “please” and “stop” and “please no” and similar. What they very rarely scream is “help”. That’s because their focus is on their attacker and getting them to stop. The remainder taken together seem pretty compelling to me.
mfi
Hi Mark,
I agree, but I mentioned it because Zimmerman claims that he’s the guy screaming and he specifically said he was calling for “help.”
Check out this video compilation put together by Thisisiceman
He does a great job of splicing together GZ’s inconsistent statements so people can see them clearly.
(H/T to probalance at my site)
25 years is the mandatory minimum.
Thanks for the update.
I hope GZ plays this out to the fullest and refuses a plea bargain.
I would love to see this guy make an ass out himself when the prosecution cuts his bullshit to ribbons.
The few times I have had to sit in court have always been entertaining with the outlandish stuff people try, especially small claims court with no lawyers to keep people from embarrassing themselves.
The state is about to release GZ’s college transcripts and police academy application, as part of discovery. Don’t recall when this is going to happen and the news station doesn’t have a link for it up yet.
I’m trying to remember the basis of that. The study I have in mind was about 20 – 25 years ago. But for the life of me I can’t remember who did it. Was it an FBI/DOJ study or was it by the criminology department of some university? Can you remember? It caused quite a stir at the time.
mfi
How long after the shot do we have audio GZ I am sure if he really did call for help started calling for help very soon after he shot TM.
People with a gun pointed at them scream No!
Even guys on the wrestling team would have a problem beating someone 40 pounds heavier unless wrestling rules were strictly enforced I wrestled a guy who went to state once. It was very close and I was not 40 pounds heavier but he did stop me several times from using illegal in high school wrestling moves.
No X-Rays with a broken nose is that normal medical procedure?
O’Mara is about to file a motion for a SYG hearing.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/George-Zimmerman-seeking-Stand-Your-Ground-hearing/-/1637132/16027004/-/r3lkf4z/-/index.html
No, not at all. No way would they dismiss a possible broken nose as these can be serious.
Thanks for keeping us up to date Mason. I gotta admit I hate reading it sometimes though cause it pains me and pisses me off at the same time. All I can think is, this could be my son. And knowing how innocent my son is I just don’t know how I would react.
Excellent. I also really like the street layout graphic in the Washington Post article.
Listen to this audio comparison of the terrified scream to GZ’s scream for help and see what y’all think.
He had this poor child in complete agony and fear and then killed him.
I don’t think there is a way to make this simple sentence more complicated
how about, “Voice hear screaming on 911 tape is not George Zimmerman, The man who shot Trayvon Martin.”
goodness…
no he is not, it’s just the latest donation drive
I will believe it when he files
like mason said, he would physically fight MFI (or whoever else I assume), 2 out of 3 times to cross-examine Zimmerman.