They fail to realize that we are already muddling through the muck. Furthermore, the election offers little chance of addressing our malaise, as issues of economy, foreign policy and national security are largely insulated from public purview. One can make a reasonable argument for voting Obama in swing states as a strategic defense move, though that is it. Otherwise, it seems that the self-professed liberal should be busying himself with social movement activism. The manifold nature of injustice in this country leaves little time for the well-intentioned to descend into the pathetic stupor of electoral obsession. From student debt relief to stopping the private prison racket to defending public schools and libraries from the ravages of austerity, we need our collective intellect and imagination focused on public betterment.
However, a large segment of liberals are not genuinely motivated by concerns of social justice. For them, politics is bourgeois social activity. They vote for Democrats as a demonstration of how cultured and swank they are. Some even use politics as a means of assuaging the guilt they feel about their position of relative privilege. This tendency descends, in large part, from Thomas Jefferson: the original American liberal. The slave-owner who decried the evils of that institution. The “small-government” advocate who helped greatly expand the size and scope of the federal government. The champion of individual rights, except for the “noble savages” in our midst. Jefferson was a walking contradiction, and so too are his ideological descendants, whom I term the “Bad Faith Liberals.”
They appear to be that which they are not: a living contrivance. On the topic of “bad faith,” Sartre alluded to the deception of the waiter at a Parisian cafe, trying too hard to play his role, herky-jerky in motion: visibly outside of his skin. He is inauthentic, but realizes this to some degree. His free will is compromised by circumstance. Perhaps the waiter fears for the security of his job if he behaves differently. The liberal, likewise, fears the consequences of making far-reaching criticisms. He knows it will jeopardize his relative comfort in the world. He fears it will alienate him from friends and family, who collectively choose to not think critically about politics. His career might suffer as well as his social status, as ours is a superficial culture where nonconformity renders one “crazy.”
This thinking represents the psychological underpinnings of authoritarianism. And have no illusions about it: this is an authoritarian country by any reasonable measure. Having the world’s highest incarceration rate is enough evidence. Further confirmation is the fact that a sizeable portion of the population believes that the rich have intrinsic qualities, and merit their wealth regardless of how it was attained. Liberals, too, believe it cliché, even trite, to suggest that social democracy might have some intellectual value. To speak of a common good renders one old-fashioned and “narrow minded.” Ours is a society that worships the rich and powerful, even to the point of providing excuse for their voracity.
This is important because politics is a reflection of society (the two do not exist in a vacuum). Our culture is obsessed with individual: from sports phenoms to movie and music stars to political figures. As such, the national conversation is generally about personalities and petty dramas rather than ideals. Meanwhile, much of what does pass for meaningful discourse amongst liberals serves merely to provide a veneer for the inherent contradiction of their existence.
The bad-faith liberal pretends to be a humanitarian, whilst actually an enabler of the American military machinery that has devastating consequences for civilian populations in affected regions. He poses as anti-racist, despite allowing for a national security policy that explicitly targets Muslim and Arab populations for special surveillance and judicial treatment. He has also permitted the proliferation of private prison gulags that prey on minority and poor populations so as to maintain a positive balance sheet. These represent just a smattering of the issues not discussed at any of the debates. Even the foreign policy debate is pure platitude, no substance. These are the realities the Blind Faith Liberals disregard, because it is easier to live a contradiction than to demonstrate the agency to address systemic injustices.
One can argue that it is unfair to pin these crimes on liberals, as they are not the primary promulgators. However, they have the capacity to do something, and have instead continued on with their merry lives. Many bourgeois liberals have yet to be significantly impacted by the economic and social decline of the country. Working-class and poor populations, largely minorities, have obviously been the most profoundly inured by the neo-liberal authoritarianism that now predominates. The bad-faith liberal has only caught a whiff thus far. Perhaps they feel the stress of a workplace that has been stripped of job security, reasonable vacation time and health care provisions. They might be joining the growing numbers of people suffering from depression and other psychological disorders associated with stress and feelings of inadequacy. Maybe their adult-age children are having problems finding jobs and making student debt payments. Nonetheless, the Bad Faith Liberal remains committed to the existent political superstructure, and his contradictory role within it.
In so doing, he undercuts his own freedom, by limiting his role to cheerleading for one side of the boxing match. The two permitted parties define themselves in opposition to one another, and this delineation ultimately encompasses the culture of the country writ large. Americans often judge one another in reference to a liberal-conservative dichotomy. The red state vs. blue state rhetoric is ubiquitous. Liberals decry gun-toting, god-fearing southerners, and conservatives complain of a threat from amorphous “outsiders.” The two sides invariably play the role assigned, out of fear of freedom. And it is ultimately this fear that unites them, together in the muck.
They keep each other down through this culture of oppositionalism. The fear breeds resentment and guilt, which leads the American to hate himself and thus his compatriot. It is this process that informs the lack of a robust social safety network in this country, as failure is almost invariably blamed solely on the individual. This further leads to a juvenile tendency to disparage and demean others for trivial and superficial reasons. The net result is the destruction of confidence and dignity, rendering the American unlikely to stand up for himself against the rapacious and regressive forces of organized money.
Indeed, the Bad Faith Liberal stands up to no one. He merely externalizes his lack of confidence through the politics of oppositionalism. He believes that the country would be better off without the angry, resentful, small-town conservative. He sees not that he shares those first two traits. If the two would overcome these drains on the soul, and speak civilly to one another, we could recommence the task of nation building in the United States. We might even regain the passion necessary to function as a democratic polity.
This requires realizing our free will. We are not cogs in a machine. We are not restrained to playing a tightly-defined role in some convoluted national narrative. We needn’t choose team red or team blue. We have the ability, like all humans, to be dynamic and thoughtful individuals. And if we demonstrate that dynamism in a collective effort aimed at addressing the ever-expanding authoritarianism in our midst, we will arise from the muck one day.




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Thank you, matt. I really needed this exceptionally coherent analysis after reading the other diary on the rec list about low-income people and why they turn against each other. If Obama’s brand of hope and change hasn’t snapped us out of our red/blue tribalism, well, I don’t know what ever will. I’ve been shocked to see that a majority of my friends – except for those that I have met over the past year – turn out to be bad faith liberals.
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Exceptionally well done and very important post, mattreichel, thank you.
Recommended to the front page, as both this post and the community of Firedoglake deserve no less.
I hope that the significance of this post might be recognized and appreciated very broadly.
DW
Good post. Recommended.
Will be promoted to the front page at 4:00 pm ET.
Thank you, Jane, that is very much appreciated.
DW
Thank you, Jane!
Great post, Matt Reichel, but although you say, “One can make a reasonable argument for voting Obama in swing states as a strategic defense move, though that is it”…my own belief is that way of voting requires little personal commitment to the broader need we now face. That ‘I’m off the hook in casting my vote for a candidate that does *not* represent the common good, advance policies to aid the poor, the sick, the planet, minorities, et.al. may relive some cognitive dissonance in your Bad Faith Liberal, but that’s not some magic ‘I’m off the hook’ magic pill, imo.
The tribalist name-calling we see here on the boards, and out in our communities I think has as much to do with say, Obama’s base being so wedded emotionally to him that many simply can’t believe that we were conned by a Smooth Operator who spent his lifetime pleasing people, and who has no actual core principles. For those adherents who can’t absorb the reality of what this President has done to the 90%, or to brown people around the globe in the name of profit and Empire, or excuse it because ‘the Other Guy will do it more!’, their anger is as much at us who can’t vote for him and live with our moral convictions in tact. Likewise, as you imply, they have to fault every other Libertarian, conservative, religious voter, etc. in order to try to make themselves feel better.
Sorry to gargle on, but it’s what I think underpins a lot of the electoral tribalism and addiction as well as your many good points.
Oops; I’d meant to say that the most glorious theme that OWS brought to the conversation is that we’re not, nor should we be caught up in, old linear liberal-conservative, left-right continuums, but Upper Percentile-Lower Percentile wealth distribution and this power maldistribution.
Praise TBoww! has just been served.
Remarkable. An essay on Bad Faith Liberals without one mention of capitalism. At least you got bourgeois in there.
This bad faith is the nature of Liberalism, comrade. Pragmatism, balance, delayed gratification, discipline were the means to capitalist harvest. “Meritocratic” bourgeois authoritarianism was better than “autocratic” feudal authoritarianism; the liberty Liberals sought was reactionary and limited (pragmatic).
You propose that the Liberal’s conformity “represents the psychological underpinnings of authoritarianism”. But this would be a different form of authoritarianism than that of their foes. In theory their conformity would eventually liberate everyone, if only each one willed to liberate himself.
This bourgeois revolution could not be sustained as material constraints returned. Liberals were encouraged to believe in prophetic lies, like the bourgeois piracy of finance, while their infrastructure was pillaged. They were encouraged to scapegoat their old foes. I.e. they were duped into their conformity and drawn back into the authoritarian fold.
Second, you condemn their conformity as a “fear of freedom”. This is an antagonistic misrepresentation. “Freedom” is an insufficient motivator for self-proclaimed pragmatists. They must have gain for their risk. Are their principles worth it?
They must face the depravity of their capitalist religion.
An excellent post.
By the way, I made a short documentary on Matt Reichel, when he ran as the Green Party candidate for Rahm Emanuel’s seat in a special election in 2009.
X3. Excellent. Should be required reading at all the Ivy League drone factories.
Oh sure, if the big city lefty and the small town conservative could juat get together and speak civilly we can all sing Kumbaya.
This is just twaddle. The Right has had a megaphone for 30 years consisting of talk radio and Fox that has TOTALLY poisoned the well of any type of civil discourse. The fact is we are all cogs, being used and manipulated to think who we vote for makes a difference. The oligarchy offers up the myth of the American Dream, which as the late, sainted George Carlin said, it’s a dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
See Matt, it’s not the Left that is the problem. A full third to 40% of this country is beyond hope in ever being able to understand how they are being screwed, since their media validates their hate and resentment each and every day.
Hmmm. I’d meant to ask how ‘The liberal, likewise, fears the consequences of making far-reaching criticisms.’…’psychologically underpinned authoritarianism’.
Your fourth paragraph would be more correct if you said that Latte Liberals slid into buying Neoliberalism, thus…tra la la.
More as a general comment, it seems that in Matt’s theory, many Obama voters can scrub away some of their cognitive dissonance/discomfort by assuring themselves ‘We’ll fight like hell for X,Y,Z after the election, (a la Ellsburg, Chomsky ? some say), Cornell West for godssake, the Nation magazine editors, et.al.) That of course never happens. The time is now, and soon the window for massive resistance may close for all practical purposes.
Good comment, though, Ludwig; food for thought.
This reminds me of an interview of a Brazilian capitalist by Charlie Rose. When he, Rose, suggested to the capitalist that Peru’s economic problems were due to the left, the capitalist responded to Rose, “Charlie, the problem with Peru is that there is no left – no one represents the people.” That shows how wildly out of tune our whole system is when a foreign capitalist has to instruct Charlie Rose on economic reality.
We’re so screwed up there is almost no chance of our salvation. I have to go along with guiltybystander.
You’re making me THINK and that’s a good thing !
The problem here is that the megaphones dominate the discourse, our recourse is to operate under the din.
There is no rocket science in finding common ground with conservatives on many issues outside of the range of the loudshriekers.
It takes time, shoe leather and the kind of good old fashioned grassroots organizing that is our only hope for a non-violent, non-criminalized politics.
On what appears to be “our side,” the left, liberals, progressives, what have you, we have a problem in that there is a paid coterie of “veal pens” whose meal ticket is predicated upon insulating power from demands for change from below. TBogg is an example of how that politics functions.
We cannot get a clear shot at power until that political wannabe class which most always promotes narrow single issues is made to get out from between the people and power and thus silenced from portraying populist politics in the narrowest, least appealing form that a priori precludes any sort of coalition building.
So long as the well being of Americans construed as narrowly as possible, choice is a prime example, and that captures the political debate inhibiting accountability for war crimes like drone strikes, then we deserve every bit of what’s coming at us, both from this government and those attacking us for not holding this government accountable for crimes committed in our names.
If only we could ensure that the next WTC was filled with bad faith liberals like TBogg…
Much of my jaudiced view of the process , perhaps, has to do with being an aging baby boomer. Idealism, change, progressivism, call it whatever, under this system, is either crushed, marginalized or co-opted . To think that somehow the far left and far right will move so far that they touch is a pipedream. Especially, since those that control things do a damn fine job of seeing to it that people are pitted against one another. The country is built on competition. The average IQ in this country is below 100. The only thing that would work would be either an economic meltdown of monumental proportion, or the beginning in every school to mandate courses in critical thinking skills. Then it would take a generation or two to take hold. I doubt with the current path we have that long.
Communist .. Socialist…. Liberal are spit out every day in the store I work in, at me to enlighten me.
You can’t believe what I’m lectured on daily communist.. liberals… gays… taking the bible out of the school … who I should vote for. Bring back the Fairness doctrine, the League of Women Voters sponsoring election debates, without any preconditions and hand marked, hand counted paper ballots, of a uniform federal design, counted on election night. That would be a starting point.
We live in a putative democracy and our hope should be that it becomes a real democracy and then we won’t need to fear the 33-40% low information voters and i think this post shows some of those low info voters live in mansions and gate guarded communities of the effete eastern millionaire variety that populate the main body of the Democratic Party. Lets expose them for who they are.
Polling on the perpetual war machine, Wall Street bailouts and to a lesser extent, health care, bear out substantial overlap between left and right. Conversations on the substance of these matters reveals this to be true. Yes, it is different to poke through the instigated divisions, but the opposite is true as well. Liberals and progressives do not have a monopoly on the truth, and erect similar barriers to any criticism from the right as if it were the worst.
My whole point is that you can’t operate under the “din” as you call it.
I don’t think we have the “time” you refer to. Low paying jobs that are being created barely pay for creature comforts, and the slow and study environmental erosion continues as the big corporations control those megaphones where most people receive their news. You are calling almost for a separate reality, the diametric opposite of the alternate reality that much of the Right takes comfort from. See, in this world Limbaugh and a Rachel Maddow are no different – just two sides of the same filthy tarnished coin.
Did you miss the live Military industrial CIA assassination of our most Liberal Progressive President at the front of the baby boom generation ? How about the next best thing, perhaps better seeing what happened to his brother, Bobby an unabashed liberal ? Those in broad daylight actions tend to freeze one in one’s foot steps.
Just like the only three buildings in the history of mankind , falling down in their own footprints , without explosives ! Simply amazing and it tends to stop you in your footsteps , if you catch my meaning and get my drift. Don’t be too judgmental if you please.
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… good comment wd … last point goes to the middle… we need to see all this as top to bottom politics…not side to side…it would/will help…
Hey, at least he got that one thing exactly right.
Words of Bobby Kennedy, shot to death on my graduation night.
‘The first politician to rail publicly against the GDP was Senator Robert Kennedy in March 1968: “Too much and for too long, we seemed to have surrendered personal excellence and community values in the mere accumulation of material things. Our Gross National Product … counts air pollution and cigarette advertising, and ambulances to clear our highways of carnage.” For Kennedy, GDP measured “everything, in short, except that which makes life worthwhile”.
Anybody here remember my old friend Martin ?
Can you tell me where he’s gone ?
Anybody here see my old friend John ?
Can you tell me where he’s gone ?
Anybody here see my old friend Bobby ?
Can you tell me where they’ve going ?
People dying too young ………
So you think that the Military/CIA take these actions on their own? They are nothing but errand boys. There has to be a reason why an CIA head like Bush 1 was put in the Reagan WH, and then did 4 years of his own. Then we had 8 years of that “liberal” Clinton, the son that old man Bush never had, followed by another 8 years where an ex security guy, Cheney, for all intents ran things. The Bushes and Cheney know how to take directions well. There are forces out there that are beyond most people’s every day conception. This is a nice tonic that spells it out -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q
Oh good! another group we can be divided from!
Comrade Orange Peel,
I prefer “bourgeois pirates” for it’s punchiness and for it’s play on capitalism’s regression.
The tactical advocacy for Obama is a continuation of their precious “rationality” but the enormous energy wasted on getting by would have been much better spent on avoiding getting here. However, bourgeois pirates are trained to like risk so here we are.
Electoral strategy under class war just seems punishing. Sure, our vanguard will keep “fighting” but their own perpetual war will be lost because they keep sending the troops into the wrong battle.
I agree. And there will always be some percentage of voters that are stupid and/or loonies. But in a real democracy (unlike this craphole nation) the magic 50% for agreement would make them irrelevant (unless they are over 50% and then you are in big trouble). But pointing to the worse of the village idiots and/or village loons and saying “oh my God, look at them! They are stupid/crazy!” is just another example of a “bad faith liberal” distraction strategy.
And if you really want to bridge the left with more conservative citizens, then I suggest jettisoning all the useless social issues and instead concentrate on how they are getting screwed economically. What does screaming in their faces that they are “Stupid Religious Fanatics” really do but make them defensive (and I am an agnostic/”adhominem atheist” who hates religion).
You said liberals do not have a monopoly on the truth and erect barriers to criticism? But I suppose that doesn’t apply to TBogg who you know for sure is a bad faith liberal. I find that remarkable.
A George Carlin Quote , In case you missed it ,
“Did you ever stop to think about all the people we kill ?
They’re always the people who tell us to live together in harmony and TRY and love one another. Jesus, Gandhi, Lincoln, John Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy, Medger Evers, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King Jr., John Lennon . They all said to TRY and live together peaceably.
BAM Right in the fucking head ! Apparently we’re not ready for that.”
RIP George
WRONG ! THey are the directors if you open your eyes wide open !
“To think that somehow the far left and far right will move so far that they touch is a pipedream.”
How about the middle left and the middle right?
Just Askin’
Since we are treading into what the MSM likes to call tinfoil hat territory, then tell me , under whose auspices does the security state work for, or are they a rule unto themselves? I know what Eisenhower said about the military/industrial complex. I think the “industrial” side are the “smart” ones calling the shots (capitalism and world domination have to be served, and standing in their way is not good for your health), but it seems to me that the “military” are only the hired muscle.
TBogg banned me from that blog after I pointed out that none of our domestic creature comforts increments provided by the Democrats could be ethically balanced against the war crimes that Obama’s drones are delivering to families in Af/Pak/Yemen. That is the essence of bad faith liberalism, so long as I am comfortable, little else matters.
Well, it’s punchy as all giddy-up, Comrade dear Ludwig. ;o)
Yeah, I’m an OWS soul, and pretty much stayed out of the electoral mess until Cheri Honkala and Jill Stein popped up on my screen. But still, what an energy drain from what’s really facing us, and will get worse all too soon. I love how many people are working behind the scene on alternative models to capitalistic endeavors, though I’m a newbie to all of it.
This is an incredible lot of self-serving drivel masquerading as analytical twaddle.
The twitterers are somehow different from bloggers and the liberals voting for Greens are somehow more noble, less privileged and not playing a social game?
Whatevern Holmes.
Don’t dislocate your shoulders patting yourselves on the back for your integrity, vision and all-knowing intelligence that clearly sets you apart.
RIOTOUS!
Bingo! Good-o, hopeadoped. ;o)
Eee-awww!
So does this mean you are going to rush out another one of your idiotic diaries?
Perfectly stated.
Best. Moniker. Ever.
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O.T.
Wendy, please post that link we talked about a few days ago. I’ll keep an eye out for it tonight. Thanks.
Then there is something wrong with the framing of this argument. Now you are saying that liberals are a little worse than bad faith conservatives who have done the same or worse. Do you suppose that TBoog is protecting what he feels is important? You say war crimes. I bet he doesn’t see it that way and thinks you are unnecessarily moralizing, in particular where it does not apply. So I begin to think the idea of bad faith liberals is a little narrower than in this post. But frankly, I am no where near being a philosopher. So I will leave it there.
Of course he did. He’s one of the most reliable and most corrupt and hypocritical of thin-skinned pr… knowhatimeanvern?
It is “interesting” that certain of those who comment here feel the need to berate, belittle, and verbally abuse others, while, at the same time claiming the superiority of their understanding and “pragmatic” grasp of what they claim to be objective reality.
It is also interesting to note that those same individuals expect that those whom they berate, belittle, and verbally abuse, will come to see the light and DO as the “pragmatic” ones insist that they must.
Ah, well it is the political “season” so all “things” are “permitted”, as in “love” and “war” and, therefore, all things “go”.
Among those “gone” things are essential respect and any pretense at patience, what once were termed “the social amenities”, those things so useless and utterly counter-productive to “modern-day” political “discourse”.
Should the loss be lamented?
Is anything else lost or threatened in this bashing invective and name-calling?
Anything that matters?
Forgive me for pondering aloud, for it is most un-pragmatic and quite impractical.
DW
There is no fact-free self serving like a donkeyfail self serving. Accusing everyone else of your own sins is worthy of a Mark Foley Republican. Or a Praise TBoww! Democrat. Riotous!!!
Herself will need a broader hint, my dear; her brains are cottage cheese.
I live in Austin and therefore “theoretically” represented by Congressman Lloyd Doggett. My criticisms of Lloyd Doggett could fill an entire website but just consider that Mr. Doggett is the 38th most wealthy legislator in Congress. Lloyd Doggett would have us believe this was accomplished through real estate investments…in a horrible economy for real estate!
I’ve always said that in Austin, Lloyd Doggett is more a fashion accessory than a legislator. Putting that big Lloyd Doggett sign on your lawn is live advertising “I’m not one of those bad ol’ Republicans (Tweety Bird voice)”. Obviously these are the same people who have never called Lloyd Doggett’s office to complain about outsourcing and free trade deals (Lloyd Doggett loves free trade deals). I have called and the usual routine is that Doggett’s staff pretends like they can’t hear you due to a bad phone connection.
something to do with email…
If this would work for now, in lieu of what you might be looking for… ?
Dunno bluedot12. My take on TBogg’s constant question wasL ‘Would you be better off under a Romney or OBomba administration. My attempts at an answer had to do with: “It’s the wrong question to be asking”, and give my Hippie Opinion as to what would be better questions…and to try to encourage the idea of looking toward the future, not just this one ‘This is the most important election *ever*, since Bad Fucking Guy Whomever* (or his fucking running mate) is always the most fearsome person this nation will ever face’ crapola.
I lived thru 2 Dumbass Dubya terms, and I’ll likely survive another O’Bummer term…but I don’t want to, and so it goes. But I will NOT stop fighting for a spiritual insurrection leading to a revolution. We’re simply close to being out of time with too many topping points, including: police state detention, potable water, non-GMO foods and seeds, toxic soil, acidified oceans…and dire poverty globally.
We sincerely need to Awaken, and realize that third world women have had it right all along: we need to be our brothers’ and sisters’ keepers. And learn to live love. Period. Full stop.
I am saying that the right wing is accelerating in moving its agenda to screw us. The Democrats’ ability to gain incremental change is slowing down and it slowed down even more once they attained historic majorities in both houses of Congress and took the WH.
The math is clear, that it is simply not going to happen with the Democrats and the sooner we crack that egg, the faster we can begin to reverse the fall and then we can finally start to reverse being overwhelmed by the right wing.
Innocent human beings are being killed, have been killed by US imperial foreign policy. This has happened most recently with drones but also resulted in the death of 600K Iraqi kids during Clintonia. That killing spree is what engenders retaliation that we call “terrorism.” That “terrorism” is used as a justification for the expansion of the military state and curtailing of civil liberties. Combined with the total domination of the Democrat Party by Wall Street, the Democrats are more of the problem than they are the solution.
Out comfort and convenience is predicated upon this ongoing crime spree. The rest of the world sees it, the people on the receiving end of it clearly see it. The conservatives here in the US are totally down with it. It is the liberals who do not acknowledge what is in plain sight and who blames the messenger for speaking the truth about power.
We are required under international law to address this with the most urgency and immediacy, otherwise we are little more than “Good Germans,” liberals and conservatives alike.
it keeps asking to open in new tab, but when I try to do that it goes nowhere and the link (blue) goes away…
When I lived in Austin in the 1980s, we never ever saw JJ Jake Pickle, Dogget’s predecessor. I’ve seen Pelosi once, in 1989 when she’d just assumed the Burton seat, the first year I lived in SF.
Got it, I think.
Uh…um…erm…try it and see if you did?
See if this works, then.
But…what if Donkey chronicles our arrogant misdeeds in out Permanent Files? My mum will kill me (or else I’ll be Grounded For Life!)
You were banned for trolling the other readers and spamming the threads with the same old cut and past arguments that had been blown out of the water but don’t let that interrupt your self-fluffing.
By the way, I enjoyed this post much more in its earlier “No true Scotsman!” iteration…
Your reliance on logical fallacy has you seeing one behind every bush. You seem happier when you are obsessing about underpants.
I’m happy all the time. I have sanctimonious overly-serious self-obsessed bloviating manifesto-writing manic progressives to toy with. Who wouldn’t enjoy that?
Taking time out from your self-adulation to string the same old hackneyed words together just for me?
I’d be flattered if it wasn’t coming from the Victoria Jackson of Obot bloggers.
Yes, the right is a problem. And it is a problem whether it puts an (R) after its name or a (D).
Rightist ideas are the problem, not party labels.
Hey, don’t go. This toying thing is kinda fun.
BTW, when’s your post about the booger you spied on Romney’s nose and how it portends the end of civilization as we know it, coming out?
Perhaps TBogg has finally slipped his last clog?
For at comment 92 on his post, here:
http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2012/10/21/underpants-hippies/#comments,
we see him essentially accuse those who have conscientiously determined that they cannot vote for Barack Obama, to, he very strongly implies, be racists who just want to ” … make the the black man go away.”
Which is a bridge much too far, an assertion which reflects very badly upon TBogg’s grasp and upon any pretense that his “arguments” are rationally connected to reason and to actual reality.
Possibly, TBogg might explain what he meant?
Possibly, TBogg “believes” what he says? And, if that is the case, then we must, all of us, seriously, have grave, compassionate, and human concerns for his sanity and reason, including, one would hope, the management of Firedoglake.
DW
Tell him to go to Black Agenda Report and say this nonsense about how only racists won’t support Obama.
http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/why-black-man-watching-debates-and-voting-green
Just about every major writer on that site (Ford, Dixon, Coleman-Adebayo) is supporting the Green Party.
His comment is typical of out of touch Caucasian people who think that the last 4 years have been a Shangri-la for black people. He’s just proving how white and clueless he is.
I really like what you’ve written, except for that statement. Why is it okay to cast aside your belief in third party voting, simply because you live in a swing state? You either cast a vote for your candidate because you believe in their ideology and/or despise the ideologies of both major parties. Geographic location doesn’t change that.
Recommended, by the way.
That was my reaction at #8 as well, lefttown.
Yes. I have remained scrupulously silent about TBogg, for idiocy speaks well enough all on its own.
That Jane has promoted this post is wonderful. That she still refuses to put FDL “all in” with supporting TRULY Progressive alternative candidates – while it simultaneously accepts TBogg’s moronic Dem coddling AND fully supports Occupy – is just confusing. I’m all for hearing from all quadrants, but when some are banned for saying what they believe while others know a regular spot on the front page is theirs even despite racist remarks, that’s a problem.
As far the “vote Obama in swing states” nonsense – well, there it is. Nonsense. Chomsky and West should be ashamed for promoting it, and Ellsberg, its main proponent since 2000, only proves his captivity to the status quo with each word he writes or speaks in supporting it.
http://www.newprogs.org
One may well make that argument, lefttown … to oneself , and even FOR oneself as a “justification” if one feels the “need” of such “explanation” to oneself … and others.
However, when making it as regards others, especially if it is insisted as a “must”, then the bounds, the necessary and healthy boundaries of rational social propriety and honest respect for the conscience decisions of others, is evidenced as most sorely lacking.
That anyone insists that others have an “obligation”, a “duty”, or a “responsibility” to engage in such “defensive” action is the height, and the depths, of unconscionable offense, it is simply wrong and evidence of despotic authoritarian thinking … it serves only the greater tyranny … which IS, precisely, the essential problem of our common plight and its consequence, for, if it is heeded, it is simply, and only, the “justification” and furtherance of that tyranny.
DW
Edit: … conscience and decisions of others …
May “edit”, someday, become available, oh deities of the dancing electrons and digital delights …?
;~DW
TBogg, you’re way too wrapped up in your tribal propaganda by this point in the election to be taken seriously. I type in all of my posts by hand, they spring from my brain through my fingers onto the keyboard.
It speaks to your narrow bad faith liberal vision that you presume that anyone who disagrees with the Democrat propaganda line d’jour is automatically an automaton.
You all dismissed me as a conservative right winger, because those are the only people that in your view would challenge Obama. It appeared inconceivable that anyone would challenge the Democrats from the left.
This article accurately pins your tribal conduct, that your hatred for the illusion of another party blinds you to any subtlety of analysis.
You are wrong, you doubled down on wrong and here you are even wronger.
Remember: Obama’s plan is a Republican plan. Why are the Republicans opposed to the President’s plan when his plan is their plan?
Perhaps that’s true. I, myself, will vote for who, I believe, is the best candidate.
If you live in a swing state and can cast aside your beliefs concerning war and murder and civil liberties and fracking, then go for it: vote for Obama. Geez, who knew it was so simple? No need to pay attention to policies and ideologies. You simply vote according to where you live.
I read your post, Wendy, and it was a good one. What you wrote here bears repeating:
Such a “perspective”, lefttown, we both agree, is fundamentally inimical to democracy, to conscience, to maturity, and to understanding.
It may be added to:
“According to”:
“Your” religion …
“Your” “class” …
“Your” skin color …
“Your” ethnic or “national” heritage …
“Your” “sex” …
or … how much money is “in” “your” pocketbook.
Not to mention:
“Your” prejudices …
“Your” hatreds …
or “your” “ignorance” …
All of those things to which others may lay “claim” in telling “when” and for “whom” you “must” vote … and so on and so forth (ad nauseum).
DW
Folks, IMO, you waste your time trying to reason with the Boggler.
I’m surely not telling you to stop, for you never know who else you might reach.
But the Boggler has a self-imposed straitjacketed world view, which, even if he were able to change intrinsically, would never do so at the risk of alienating his target audience.
Personally, I don’t care about his self-congratulatory circle-jerk and have no real interest in exposing myself to its idiotic banality. However, when he steps into other peoples’ diary and acts like the worst of the worst in his myopic Red vs Blue world, IMO, he deserves neither reason nor respect.
When I read that line, I interpreted it as the author meaning that at least reasoning was taking place when someone proposed swing state voting as opposed to the logic-empty knee-jerk tribalistic rationales that are common as dirt.
Hmmm, now I wonder exactly what did the author mean. Maybe he will step in and clarify?
My point was to shine the light on the fact that this site hosts the precise hysterics that this blog correctly identifies as bad faith liberals. When Jane Hamsher posts this blog on the front page because it makes sense yet gives the boggler front and center attention every day, she seeks to walk down both sides of the street.
It is very difficult to call out bad faith liberals one day when you’re empowering them by giving them a platform every day.
Completely. Entirely. Concur.
Asked why he continued to dissent, progressively, about issues which the questioner considered beyond the reach of any personal protest, the great A.J. Muste replied:
“Oh, you’ve got it all wrong. I’m not doing this to change the country. I do it so the country won’t change me.”
Lord love a duck, firedupfirepup; did you ever score my email address? I’d love to take it down if you did.
@ timesthree: The author was murky on that score, as he made a clumsy segue to ‘activism’, not too far from Cornell West, et.al., and to my mind, it’s a feint at lessening cognitive dissonance, or ballasting self-perception identity. I reckon I don’t care for it, because it amounts to the same thing as choosing (in this case) OBomba over Romney; BFD, imo. (Want some more acronyms, dear?)
@ bigchin: I love it! And will see that one, and add one from Vaclav Havel:
And I tweak it to include: something that makes ‘ethical or moral sense…’ ;o)
I agree with you, marcos.
Shining the light is essential and I surely am not recommending anyone stop doing it.
I just don’t think that those who valiantly try to reason with the Boggler have a chance of changing his mind. Better to try and reason with those, who though they may disagree, are themselves being reasonable. Or at least polite.
The Boggler has his own agenda, and that is drawing hits to his blogs. He has his little shtick going on there that keeps his audience happy. That’s cool with me. But when he steps elsewhere and shops his little theater of ridicule, IMO, he deserves what he gets.
Well, I admit I did read the diary a little fast
I’ll have to go back and reread it with your thoughts in mind and see what bubbles up.
To paraphrase Senator Kang, er Senator Bob Dole: “The politics of cooties has failed. It is time to make them work again.”
The two minutes hate is what is killing our political culture and vultures feasting on the corpse such as boggle seem to want this. That they even try to make a buck off of maintaining the cooties fest and then ban those who point out their complicity in the machinery of death makes them enablers of an ongoing war crimes spree, no different than Tokyo Rose to my mind.
WARNING: THE MIND OF WENDYDAVIS IS TO BE CONSIDERED A HARD HAT AREA!
Enter at yer own risk.
NOW you tell me?
Too late … me brains have been to mush turned …
I forever lost am …
What shall ever I do?
Wait! I did not see a “Abandon hope all ye … ” now, how did go the rest of that …?
Ah, wendy, lass, of the best, one, you very are …
;~DW
Rolling and laughing! (and a snort or two may have escaped, lol!)
Now,dear, I absolutely gave the warning some time back at the top of a post in which I was trying to weave a wendydavis-ism-ish theory of healing. My desire to do so was juuuuuust a li’l bit out of reach for the shape mah brain’s in…ergo: I warned:
Hard Hat Area: Hippie Thinking!
So…mebbe you read it, and yer brain mushied up then, or else it was while you were absent for a bit. ;o)
But thank you; I needed that. I’ve been so down on myself just lately that I had to give myself some roses in a dream last night (by proxy, of course), lol! But you get a song, dear; a favorite I found online recently. Hope ya like it.
It looks like the Boggler clicked his heels and went back to Kansas.
Bless his vacant head.
As his greatest defender, I must say it would be dispiriting to get out-thought, out-classed and out-sassed every time he drops by to display his narcissism, weak-mindedness and callous disregard for human rights, peace and the rule of law. He may be being forced to inhale some foul substance which accumulates under his nostrils. That might explain his uber emo outbursts. Surely there must be a cure.
Not to mention the post went off the list… ;o)
Just as a bit of counterargument to what you said upthread, sometimes I write with reasonable arguments to those whose philosophies or ethical perspectives (or lack therein) I disagree with vehemently…not just to convince that person, but to bring the arguments to *other readers*.
But then, I’m an avowed hippie, so…there is that. ;o)
Yeah, the poor schmuck keeps reaching for the stars. Too bad it’s from under the bed where he’s hiding from the bogeyman.
You could almost feel sorry for him if he didn’t go around acting like a dickhead all the time.
Wendy, my dear, I did say:
And:
Just know that you will not change him, for he has a business model to maintain. Let that idea shape your responses, if and when you choose to respond.
Ah, forsooth it seems you did say so, comrade dear sweet patootie. Herself had forgotten, not unusual, since her brain is more holes than cheese some days.
Ahh, no problem, dear-one. Obviously my writing was not as clear as I’d hoped.
I shall strive to write with more clarity next time
Bless my little heart.
And, as above, borrowing any wendydavis thoughts requires a hard hat, darling. Mayhaps we can both do better.
Oopsie; no: disregard that. I cannae do better, as it is has now been written in the stars. She cannae even see the Pleiades without severely curtailed and averted vision. (She wonders which faculties will desert her next…)
And of course bless you dear heart, she neglected to agree. ;o)