Your argument is that poverty is created by bad decisions and that money does not help anything.
I can prove you’re wrong. I think we can both agree that stealing a prescription pad so you can get prescription drugs is a bad decision. Yet in the case of the very connected Noelle Bush she got rehab and didn’t pay the same for her bad decision as many do. Why? The money her family had to get her help insulated her from her mistake.
We saw the same behavior with a representative that just got busted for coke. His connections and money insulated him from having to spend time behind bars.
So the argument that bad decisions are what leads people into poverty is somewhat circular since essentially what wealth can and does do is gives you a safety net when you make mistakes. While the individual in poverty has no such net whatsoever. Every mistake and flaw they have is magnified and dissected by people like you and used as an excuse to justify inequity.
Who says I haven’t?
You sure do seem to make some pretty big assumptions.
Despite the fact that my husband makes a decent income I live in a trailer park, so feel free not to lecture me about what I am or am not doing to address poverty in my own portion of the world.
I actually feel sorry for cregan. I’m torn between hoping life never smacks him in the face for believing that he and he alone is the master of his destiny(and life has a way of doing just that) and hoping that someday he looks around and realizes that even though he was born into dysfunction that there were people and circumstances that allowed him to succeed.
It doesn’t negate hard work and intelligence to recognize that none of us is an island and that we’re all reliant on each of us to do the right things.
So essentially you just decimated your own argument that poverty is a product of poor planning.
You didn’t plan to be born into the household of an alcoholic. You just were. Life placed you there. You didn’t get a choice. If you did then you would have chosen a healthy non dysfunctional household to be part of. You didn’t get that CHOICE.
I’m not worried about anyone finding things out about me, if I were then I certainly wouldn’t be posting information about myself on the web. However, you can pretty much piece together who I am, what I’ve done, where I live, and tidbits about my upbringing throughout the web. I’m a fairly open book.
You seem to be suggesting that the solution for the problem is apathy. I’m pretty sure that has worked a grand total of never.
The fact that there will always be suffering in the world, does not negate the responsibility of people to do their best to alleviate it. The idea that we should just let people suffer because we can’t completely eradicate suffering from the human experience is wrong on so many levels and definitely not in line with the teachings of the Catholic Church.
It’s even more wrongheaded when you apply this to subjects like poverty. The problem isn’t that there isn’t enough. The problem is that there are handfuls of people who are hoarding all the wealth to the detriment of others.
Voters get to decide what standard they use for electing people or retaining them.
If Nancy is pro life because of her religious convictions that should be fine. It then becomes the job of the electorate to determine whether or not that is acceptable or to ask those questions of her BEFORE putting her in office.
Actually the “religious leaders” are the ones who had Jesus crucified.
Trying to define God or his Son in terms of you or me is pretty much a fools errand. It’d be like trying to define and place boundaries on infinity.
So cregan were YOU responsible for your parent’s bottle a day drinking problem? Or was that just where life placed you?
I grew up in a household much like yours. The bigger difference is that the success I have I don’t particularly attribute to myself. I recognize that even with hard work and intelligence that a lot of how life plays out is luck, not choice. I’m blessed and I try hard every day to be deserving of my blessings.
He’s not “using” the Pope. He’s offering commentary on the Pope’s position. It’s what blogs do. They provide commentary on people and their positions.
Oh and for the record, the number of people Jesus means tested before he healed or fed them while he was alive was ZERO.
So yes, what the Pope is preaching is consistent with Scripture and completely what you’d expect from a leader of an organization that is supposed to follow the teachings and promote the teachings of Christ.
First off, intellect is a GIFT, and people of faith might even argue it is a GIFT FROM GOD. Not everyone is given the same blessings. It positively appalls me that some people think that they get to judge what constitutes “goofing off” and what may just be someone working within the confines of what they were given by the good Lord. In particular, this has been a popular excuse to exploit the working poor. Boohoo I’m a billion dollar business that can’t afford to pay my people but hey let me open up another branch that pays poverty level wages so that I can rake in more profits and whine some more about how I can’t afford to pay the people who actually work for me more. GLUTTONY anyone? I’d say corporate America has ordered themselves up a heaping helping of it when they refuse to share with the people who make their profit possible.
Second off, a large portion of poverty is because of CHILDREN. Children don’t plan where they are placed. As adults it is our responsibility to ensure their well being wherever they are placed so that they can grow up happy, healthy and productive. The fact that so many children go hungry each year while billionaires complain about having to pay taxes is a testament not to poor planning but to GREED. I’ve always found it interesting that people have argued that the poor appear to have some sense of entitlement by insisting they have access to food. It seems to me that the “entitled” are the ones whining that they “deserve” better than others because they are “smarter” or “worked harder.” They want to be the ones to determine the parameters on who is “deserving” of food, shelter or health care. Guess what? According to God, we’re all deserving. The very fact we live means that we should have the basic essentials to survive. That’s the whole point. God is judge, not the Koch brothers, not the Waltons or any of these others whining about the fact that taxes are interfering in the purchase of their lear jet or seventh home while children go hungry.
Gosh darn those 6 year olds and their failure to anticipate that they’d be born into poverty!
They should have planned their parental lineage better.
Instead the freeloaders expect people like Varney and the church to care about their well being Monday through Saturday instead of just on Sundays. What an inconvenience!
You do realize the purpose of a blog right? It’s meant to express your opinions on subjects. It can either be for or against. So duh, on the point that had the pope said something that was not part of the posters belief system that he’d have slammed him for it.
You can’t partition faith. Belief sets spill over into every aspect of life, including political. The idea that someone shouldn’t be allowed to talk about their faith is as repugnant to me as the idea that someone should be forcing their belief set down another person’s throat. We shouldn’t be forced to hide aspects of who we are because it makes others uncomfortable to deal with it(that goes for sexuality too.)
Oh definitely. I didn’t mean to imply that a child starving anywhere was acceptable.
I definitely have had my differences with the Catholic Church over the years particularly in regards to medical interventions and their disallowance when it comes to girls health and well being. However, I have great admiration for those like Mother Teresa who take vow of poverty and behave selflessly travelling to minister to the sick and poor.
I think this Pope has the right idea. The fact that children are going hungry in a country where people have plenty is as much a social issue as whether or not Ms. so and so is using birth control to prevent pregnancy.
There is a point too. Why bring a child into the world if it might go hungry due to the indifference and greed of some? It makes it hard to argue that women should be compelled to trust God on giving birth when the result is to be mocked as a welfare mom because you can’t support that child. It definitely makes the church look less than compassionate to tell women to give birth when there isn’t the means to ensure they get fed.
The Pope’s point being that it’s God’s will that every person be fed. What is stopping that from happening? Men(and women’s)will…….greed, gluttony,etc ,etc. He really HAS to address both in order for us to get somewhere. Otherwise all that happens is you’re bringing children into the world to suffer briefly and leave.
I’m actually okay with being a fallible human and realizing that I “sin” in the eyes of God from time to time.
One of the reasons I’m not a busybody is because I’m too busy working on my failings to be pointing out the failings of others. Got to remove that beam before working on your neighbor’s splinter.
I had a great aunt on my mother’s side who was a nun so I guess I’m a little biased. My family was very religious but didn’t foot the bill for Catholic school instead I went to public school so I never got hit with a ruler.
I don’t think they are non issues per se. However, up until now they’ve been given more importance than issues like greed, or indifference to the well being of other humans. Why? So some can feel like they are superior because they aren’t gay or because they’ve never had an abortion or because they’re married and can afford kids? I’m with the Pope, hit on some of the values that Jesus taught such as sharing, compassion, tolerance, etc,etc.
The reality is that the Catholic church teaches that we are all sinners in the eyes of God. It’s up to us to recognize our shortcomings and work to fix them to be deserving of the salvation we are given. As it’s leader it isn’t his job to make Catholics “comfortable”, it’s his job to help people become deserving of the sacrifice that God made.
At least that was what I always felt and was taught.
The last Catholic figure I liked this much was Mother Teresa.
Up until now the nuns were about the only redeeming quality I saw to the religion.
Here’s to hoping that this Pope breathes some fresh air into a religion I was brought up in but left because the values did not much match my own.
I think the thing is that he is suggesting that you can’t partition your life. You are supposed to keep God and His word involved in your decision making process in ALL aspects of your life and that includes how you conduct yourself in regards to money. For years the Catholic Church has spent extolling that personal choices like abortion or a gay lifestyle were sins in the eyes of God. Now, we’re seeing a Catholic Church that actually read MORE of the Bible and is pointing out that God wasn’t fond of people ignoring the well being of others so that one could remain rich and powerful.
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