Karl has been a MSM water boy for the GOP for some time. It seems that what the WH did was let the GOP make a big stink about the emails that they doctored, and then hang them out to dry with the actual unedited emails.
Seems to me a great example of political jujitsu.

Terry may be a corporate hack of the highest order, but at least he’s sane. How would you like to be a woman living in the Mad Hatter Kenny C’s Virginia?

No I’ve never advocated a third party, because I know that an effective third party is impossible under this system. Foreign policy doesn’t deviate that much between the Ds and the RS, but does anyone on this board really want the GOP having any say on social issues? That is where the parties differ.

I’ll admit that I may be naive, but I sense that Obama is playing jujitsu with chained CPI and the GOP, knowing that they won’t bite. Then he can throw up his hands and turn to the 2014 voters and say “see, they won’t compromise on anything, even when I meet them more than halfway.”
As for foreign policy- lets get real. Whoever sits in the WH is directed by others.Bush was told what to do, as is Barack. The National Security State calls the shots.

No, the reason third parties, i.e. a progressive party doesn’t, and can’t, win is that the deck is stacked against them. There aren’t enough votes out there. The corporatists control the transmission of information, and will not allow anyone to be elected who has a radical agenda for change that would diminish the power of the 1%. It’s not happening, get over it. Obama is about as “progressive” a candidate that those who control this country will allow.
Sometimes I wonder whether some of you have forgotten what country you live in.

Many of us have voted for people who seemingly at the time reflect our views, but they begin to compromise once in office. Feeling self satisfied about yourself in voting for a third party is the same electoral masturbation we all indulge in. How do you think Jill Stein would fare with Boehner and McConnell? LOL.
Many of us are aware of the corrupt and racket society that is called America, and have learned to just bend over and take it. I doubt whether you would want to be around should the peasants ever take to the barricades. Although, it certainly will effect change,but not the kind you expect.

Everything about the GOP is politics and power. It’s a white guy’s thing. Have you been living under a rock for the last 30 years? They are even more cynical now than they ever were under Reagan. Don’t think for a minute that Issa and his pack of cretins care an iota what happened in Benghazi except to use as a cudgel against this administration. Their hypocrisy is jawdropping seeing that their guys dropped the ball on 911.

Sounds like you are part of the “not a dime’s worth of difference crowd.” How did Bush V. Gore work out for us?
Look, third parties don’t have a chance. The system is rigged. Some of us have reached a point in life that you have to choose your “poison.”
Hillary in any manifestation in infinitely better that any clown that the cult party can put up. Besides, with a woman at the top of the ticket there will be more Dem women congressional candidates, and electing her could very well give the House back to the Dems. I trust the Dems a bit more to keep and ultimately expand the social safety net. The other guys are only in the business of dismantling the country for their corp buddies.

Wow! Someone even more cynical than me. The other thing we might disagree on is the rebuilding from the ashes. This is not San Francisco 1906.
The suffering has already been going on for many years, but we are an “I got mine” society. People keep their blinders on, or are otherwise distracted, until they are directly affected.

Of course, I hope you are correct about the timeline. I too think the economy is in free fall (certainly not on Wall Street, they’re rolling in dough), but for the middle class and working poor. It’s a years in the making proposition before the shit hits the fan. In the meantime,the media provides too many circuses for people to stand up and take action.Why discuss the complex and messy subject of the economic screwing we have been getting since circa 1980 when you have the creepy psycho in Cleveland and the three girls to talk about.

Call me paranoid or prescient, but I never thought the ACA was meant to succeed, but instead to cause nightmares, headaches and confusion over the next number of years that the only way out is a standardized single payer system. By that time, Obama will be so many years out of office that people with their short memories, might look at him as having been a visionary. Let’s face it; the GOP has no interest in insuring people of color and others that aren’t part of their electoral constituency. They will continue to stand on the sidelines, lean on the Constitution and yell “socialism, socialism”, all the while offering tepid and ineffectual market based solutions. Single payer will come out of necessity. It’s too bad that some of us will never see it and so many will be screwed along the way. Dr. King was correct when he said “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.”

As usual, the GOP overplays their hand, but what do you expect from sports bar losers and debauched frat boys? When Hillary runs in 2016, like many predict, all of this will slide off of her. The average voter doesn’t care about foreign policy, nor could they even find Libya on a map.

Sanford’s victory was in a district and city that fired the first shot in the War of Southern Aggression. These band of traitors should have never been let back into the Union. His election proves nothing , despite the lazy MSM trying to spin something out of it. Having a Dem win that district would have been like a Repub beating Pelosi (or any Dem) in SF – it’s not going to happen.

It should be clear by now to anyone with half a brain that there really is only one political party in this country, the Corporate Security State Party.
Sure, there are some Dems who actually are progessive,in the European Social Democrat mold, but they are essentially marginalized where their votes are taken for granted, or looked upon as the ineffective Crazy Uncle constantly repeating a populist mantra (Bernie Sanders)for cable news purposes.

Yes, we need campaign reform all right, radical campaign reform. The trouble is the Citizen’s United decision and the broad array of lobbyists in DC and every state capitol, who are essentially writing the bills that are passed. To have true campaign reform means that the entire structure of how this country governs itself would have to change – and that’s not going to happen. There would have to be a societal and economic meltdown, and I doubt whether many of us would want to be around through that type of turmoil.

Bill Clinton – GOP Lite, and the son that GHW Bush never had, was the architect of NAFTA and welfare “reform. Barack is an amateur compared to him.

I’ve always been for universal single payer and I was let down when the discussions about the ACA in 2009 didn’t even include single payer as an on the table option. The Right went bat shit crazy over the flawed plan that was passed, so single payer would never had had a chance in this political environment.
As deeply flawed as Obamacare is, what it will do is give those who have wanted to start their own businesses, but were afraid to leave their present employer plans, have an option to start a business and shop for the best medical insurance for their needs.
Obamacare is going to go through some severe growing pains, but ultimately (maybe 15-20 years), once the political dynamic changes – with the older members of the GOP surfing dirt – we will have some sort of universal system.