• FunknJunk:

    I agree with you. I also don’t think (by a great degree) that this was really the only issue that I think is wrong about Chris Hedges, also I suspect that a lot of people might find it to be the most egregious. I’ve not liked him (and I’ve criticized him here before) for a lot of different things he’s said and done-some of which also relate to what has been said on this thread as well. Here’s just one example:

    Medicinecat:

    “My friends who call themselves Liberals can’t stand Chris Hedges. Besides dissing things dear to their hearts like Obama, capitalism, and pornography, he forces them to look at the future of misery and degradation their children will endure. To the infantile, he’s a real Gloomy Gus who should be told to shut up.”

    That certainly showed them, didn’t it? Then again, if your entire approach towards leftism consists of ‘speaking truth to power’ when in practice most of what you are doing is telling people who might otherwise help others how doomed we all are and how little anything that people can actually do might help, then this is a success story. Either they’ll agree with you and we’re all doomed (in which case nothing changes) or they’ll loathe Hedges and avoid you for saying things like that-in which case you’ve demonstrated your degree of enlightenment over them. Failure is a design feature, not a flaw.

    Even beyond the issues involved in “I Don’t Believe In Atheists” (his book’s original, and more honest title), on multiple occasions Hedges bashed the entirety of rational thought (ad well as people that engage in it). Metamars is right about organization but it’s sort of difficult to build an organization that might productively do anything about our common predicaments without it. He’s made at least one statement of Christian chauvinism that in all honesty would never have been tolerated if it had come from a right-wing Christian instead of him. His dismal views of human nature through multiple articles often make his forays into activism seem like ludicrously self-contradictory exercises in futility. He’s engaged in doom-mongering on several occasions with lurid predictions of immediate warfare that have never happened (and he’s practically never been called on it). His hit piece “The Cancer On Occupy” also bashed the black bloc while at no point really communicating that he even attempted to talk with any members of them in order to try and understand their views, even though he might otherwise turn around and disagree with them. Personally, I think that he seems to pay more attention to martyrdom as compared to the ends to which people might be willing to be martyred (ie, to finally have a normal life).

    I’m sure that for a lot of people hearing this about Chris Hedges might be threatening. However, this is also an opportunity. You don’t have to be joined to him. Please.

  • This is ludicrous! I still see a strong undercurrent of racism in the United States. We need to get our heads out of our asses – skin color is not a valid reason to deny someone the ability to marry in your church.

    In fact skin color is not a reason to discriminate period!”

    That’s not an undercurrent. That’s a geyser of bigotry spewing it like an oil well.

  • iconoclast commented on the diary post Escape is possible ! by cmaukonen.

    2012-07-20 13:32:51View | Delete

    How is this supposed to be escape instead of a massive concession to the very worst elements of society? If I was part of the elite (and I’m not) I would want people to be convinced that dumpster diving, personal asceticism, and random, disorganized acts of kindness was all that people could really hope for [...]

  • iconoclast commented on the diary post Cockburn’s Death of Occupy Declaration and the Attendant Generational Fissure by mattreichel.

    2012-07-17 17:18:25View | Delete

    To be honest, I don’t think that the boomer generation is really the only generation whose members behave…problematically. My family is positively loathesome, but at least I can understand why. They were black but lived in the time before it was really thought that the civil rights movement might succeed so they were totally beaten [...]

  • iconoclast commented on the diary post Cockburn’s Death of Occupy Declaration and the Attendant Generational Fissure by mattreichel.

    2012-07-16 10:45:58View | Delete

    Isn’t it sort of in bad faith, though, when Hedges uses a strawman argument against the black bloc by attempting to say that they all follow Zerzan (who found entirely novel ways, apparently, of being disastrous) and not actually interviewing any black bloc’ers at all?

  • iconoclast commented on the diary post Cockburn’s Death of Occupy Declaration and the Attendant Generational Fissure by mattreichel.

    2012-07-16 07:39:15View | Delete

    This was a great response, and definitely recommended.

  • iconoclast commented on the blog post Late Late Night FDL: Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy

    2012-07-06 07:27:31View | Delete

    This probably isn’t the right place to ask this, but I’m having little luck finding anyplace else, so I’ll try anyway. I’m trying to write my first diary entry and I can’t figure out how to get the text to come out the right size (ie, what are the acceptable size tags), and what’s the format for embedding urls and links?

  • The difference is that getting an “A” on a report card is nonideological and doesn’t preference anyone’s religious views over anyone else’s. This, in comparison, not only gives preference to the religious, but it also gives preference to those religious that are churchgoing as compared to those who aren’t.

  • iconoclast commented on the diary post Why One God Is Better Than Ten by robertwfuller.

    2012-07-03 06:20:38View | Delete

    That’s an absolutely wonderful question. Actually, although I’m an atheist now, I kind of think that monotheism is a vast step backwards from polytheism. After all, with polytheism (and there’s a good point in the idea that Christianity is vaguely polytheistic with its trinity and wide variety of contradictory views as to just how powerful [...]

  • iconoclast commented on the diary post When the American left lost its way by David Seaton.

    2012-06-27 06:43:52View | Delete

    “You have to adapt your language to the language of the person you are trying to convince. For practicing Christians their religion is a witnessing of Christ, an imitation of Christ… How can they call themselves Christians and persecute immigrants or ignore the sufferings of the poor? Certainly no one can be simultaneously a follower [...]

  • iconoclast commented on the diary post Why is the American left so useless? by David Seaton.

    2012-06-20 16:03:13View | Delete

    “Yep, these are the words of a President of the United States. The finest we’ve ever had, or will have IMO.”

    So if you really think this is true, then doesn’t that indicate that the way the United States is fundamentally put together (especially with regards to the Constitution) is wrong?

  • iconoclast commented on the diary post Why is the American left so useless? by David Seaton.

    2012-06-20 15:57:03View | Delete

    “I disconnect the White House with any great changes in America or its system, however, as long as the system exists, there are variations of it to be preferred to others. In this case Obama, with what he symbolizes and represents, is to be preferred to Romney and what he symbolizes and represents. BTW, I’m [...]

  • iconoclast commented on the diary post Why is the American left so useless? by David Seaton.

    2012-06-20 13:10:38View | Delete

    3) The current state of humanity cannot be improved upon. This is an assumption that was frequently and directly espoused by Parson “Man is a Cruel Animal” Hedges in his doomer phase as compared to his current “blame the black bloc” phase. It relates quite directly to the Christian concept of sin/original sin, and presents [...]

  • iconoclast commented on the diary post Why is the American left so useless? by David Seaton.

    2012-06-20 10:36:53View | Delete

    @David Seaton, #103 “Changing the USA in a progressive way is not going to start in the White House.” Agreed. “Oh, I think faced with the choice between Obama and Romney, one should vote for Obama. This is a two party system and one or the other is going to be the next president and I [...]

  • iconoclast commented on the diary post Why is the American left so useless? by David Seaton.

    2012-06-20 10:17:12View | Delete

    Having said what I just said, I do think that the basic question still needs answering, because many of the responses I’m seeing (which I’ll get) demonstrate the same appalling tendencies that I’m going to criticize. To summarize, the problems with the American left are somewhat related to the problems with American “liberalism” (such as [...]

  • iconoclast commented on the diary post Why is the American left so useless? by David Seaton.

    2012-06-20 09:06:40View | Delete

    Aren’t you the same person who wrote a multipart series on why we should all trudge in and vote for Obama yet another time-even though this kind of mentality is a significant part of the problem-and you got exactly the response from most of the posters here that you deserved (ie, overwhelmingly hostile)?

  • iconoclast commented on the diary post You Can’t “Grow the Movement” by Dissing the Kids: On Chris Hedges and Occupy by UndisciplinedPhD.

    2012-04-14 12:00:40View | Delete

    “We choose non-violence, not because of deeply held spiritual beliefs, or because of effete liberal nostalgia for Dr. King, but because it is a tactic against which the establishment has no defense. Their only method for dealing with large non-violent gatherings is violence.” I’m not sure if the former statement (that the establishment has no [...]

  • iconoclast commented on the diary post You Can’t “Grow the Movement” by Dissing the Kids: On Chris Hedges and Occupy by UndisciplinedPhD.

    2012-04-14 07:55:18View | Delete

    Well said. Why is IOIYAR? Partially, because if anyone else tried it, the Peace Police (or in Hedges’ case, the Preach Police) will try and drop on you for your efforts.

  • So slaves aren’t others whose revolt and revolution should be a moral concern? To put it mildly that’s a glaring contradiction.

  • iconoclast commented on the diary post Above all, Be Civil by tambershall.

    2012-01-09 12:17:06View | Delete

    That isn’t even remotely true. No matter how peaceful Native Americans or Jews during the Holocaust or black people during slavery were, they still would have been treated violently.

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