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  • joelmael commented on the blog post Illumination

    2014-12-25 06:15:21View | Delete

    How would you actually respond to a child’s question and comment?

    “What if the other person does not want to be treated the way you want to be treated? Do you treat them the way you want to be treated anyway? I don’t think that’s very nice, I would not want to act that way.”

  • joelmael commented on the blog post Illumination

    2014-12-25 03:56:42View | Delete

    Thank you, then I’ll offer a couple more.
    I think Hillel’s formulation was an attempt to get around what I would call the egocentric defect(there are a lot of those in our world, yes?). But I don’t think it works because in determining the best course of action the focus of attention is entirely on oneself (what would “I” not want?) to the exclusion of the interests of the other.

    I think our familiar traditions can get in our way. I think children are very alert to hegemony and fair play. If you announce the GR to a young child who has never heard of it before, she might very well respond: “Um, ok, but what if the other doesn’t want what you want?”

    I chose a girl child because I also think the GR is a stereotypically male rule. I think it not very likely that a woman would have invented a rule that does not include any input from the other.

    Finally, my main objection; the GR works only with the assumption that the self and the other’s needs are identical. This rule implicitly encourages that assumption and we all know what it’s like to be around people who habitually make that assumption.

  • joelmael commented on the blog post Illumination

    2014-12-24 18:50:10View | Delete

    Hillel expresses a somewhat different rule, but the defect is similar the speaker remains the arbiter of what is or is not to be done with the other. The other’s possibly different wishes, situation, needs are not taken into consideration. Both rules assume a situation of authority or control, one over the other. It is as if cooperation, mutual consent as possibilities have not yet been thought of. It’s an extremely narrow and archaic concept, Old Testament-ish so to speak.

  • joelmael commented on the blog post Illumination

    2014-12-24 17:26:31View | Delete

    Yes, I enjoy this evening also. There are warm memories of my siblings and me in bed singing the christmas carols, anticipating the christmas day events. Yes, JC was reported to have said some fine things, unfortunately too many preachers turn his words upside down. I don’t know how they manage to do that. “It’s a mystery” as the nuns used to say when some religious idea didn’t make sense to us.

  • joelmael commented on the blog post Illumination

    2014-12-24 17:14:24View | Delete

    I am not the measure of what what is desirable for you. That’s an arrogant stance I do not want to knowingly take. Put the other way I am wary of those who presume that the way they want to be treated is also appropriate for me.

    The golden rule is easily abused. Like any simple rule that pretends to universal application it enables one to proceed without thinking thru the implications.

    And it’s easily turned to selfish ends, ie religious proselityzers abuse the GR to give themselves license to be pests.

  • I guess my point was not clear. Throw down guns are a fact of life, but the speculation that you can tell one by looking at it is absurd.

  • “The gun shown in later video looked like any number of “throw-down” guns.”

    You win the wacky speculation prize and outclassed some real competition this morning.

    Checking my personal arsenal for indications of throwdowniness.

  • joelmael commented on the blog post Saturday History: “Remember the Sabbath…”

    2014-12-20 17:28:51View | Delete

    “The Golden Rule is sufficient.”

    The golden rule is fundamentally self-centered, it takes no account of the fact that the desires or needs of others may be different from your own.

  • joelmael commented on the blog post Saturday History: The Importance of the Barn

    2014-12-14 11:41:51View | Delete

    I said the trapdoor in my grandmothers farm kitchen was access to the root cellar, but that was wrong. I checked with my older brother who reminded me that the trapdoor opened to a cistern fed by rainwater. The year round ground temperature a few feet down in MN is about 50 degrees so there was a milk can suspended by a rope in that cistern to keep food cold. To open the refrigerator door you opened the trap door, pulled the rope, up came the milk can and there were your groceries. I would have said there were your butter and eggs but your butter was out in a cows udder and your eggs were under a hen.

  • joelmael commented on the blog post Saturday History: The Importance of the Barn

    2014-12-13 16:04:50View | Delete

    The barn you have pictured has a gambrel roof, that’s important both because it offers more space for the hay mow than a straight roof and in cold climates the lower half that is steeper discourages ice dam buildup which for you southerners occurs when the snow melts from the warmth inside the barn and when it reaches the eaves it freezes forming a dam that holds water which then seeps under the shingles and drips onto the inside, the hay mow. I think nearly all Minnesota barns are gambrel roofed.

  • joelmael commented on the blog post Saturday History: The Importance of the Barn

    2014-12-13 14:15:31View | Delete

    ” but that was before there was more people than barns.”

    Indeed, both of my grandfathers obtained their 160 acres in Kansas and Minnesota for free under the Homestead Act by living on and working the land. I guess that opportunity will not happen again.

  • joelmael commented on the blog post Saturday History: The Importance of the Barn

    2014-12-13 12:31:14View | Delete

    Love these stories. I only remember visiting my grandmothers farm when I was about 5. The barn was full of good smells, the cows, the silage for the pigs and the big animals kept it warm in winter. They had horses and one small tractor, no electricity. The windmill kept the stock tank full of well water. Lighting was by a large gasoline lantern in the kitchen and smaller kerosene lanturns elsewhere. The kitchen stove was fed by mostly by corn cobs. The cooler was under a trap door in the kitchen where roots were stored under dirt. A hand pump was by the sink. The cream separator stood in the kitchen as well as a butter churn. My grandmother would go out in the yard with a loop on the end of a stick to catch a chicken, lop its head off on a tree stump, dunk it in boiling water to loosen the feathers and soon there was chicken for dinner. It seems odd to me that I recall so much but I guess at 5 everything was so interesting.

  • The mindset of the inquisition is thriving within us. Our gene pool needs to be cleansed of these sadists… and I don’t care how it’s done.

  • joelmael commented on the blog post Over Easy: The Torture Report

    2014-12-12 08:05:34View | Delete

    I like Charlie a lot, only thing is I wish he would get over those butch-me-up references to that Sen, whose name I forget. Maybe the catholic in him ennables the lingering homophobia.

  • joelmael commented on the blog post Over Easy: The Torture Report

    2014-12-12 07:54:21View | Delete

    Agreed except for this part:

    ” Human beings CAN change the nature of their societies BECAUSE the various systems of society, be it the economic system, the legal system, or the political system are very like the games which children play.”.

    Cart before the horse. I think children, for the most part, play the games they see modeled for them by the so-called ‘grownups’.

    We change the nature of the games we grew up with and children will follow.

    Despotism in our relations with the young will inculcate resentment which which will in some way or another eventually be revenged on someone.

    I can imagine Darth Vader’s childhood was something pitiful. The religous rights child rearing guarantees more generations of despots and sheep.

  • joelmael commented on the blog post Over Easy: The Torture Report

    2014-12-12 06:22:29View | Delete

    Thanks, MsMolly for reading about the torture so I don’t have to. Now what?

    I mean now what? I have been watching our country descend into hell for some time now. Now what? What am I supposed to do about it? What can I do about it? Go shopping? I’ve tried that, doesn’t work. Vote? done that too. Knock on doors? How can we get organized to have some effect? Talk is cheap, very, very cheap. Yes, we need to info of what is actually going on. I think we have enough now.

    Help, tell me what to do, make it specific, maybe I can do it.

    Plans, somebody, think of a plan.

  • joelmael commented on the blog post Meaningless Human Life in Neoliberal America

    2014-12-07 11:45:59View | Delete

    Thanks for all your posts, Ed. What I really admire about you is the fact that you keep going in the face of what you must write. Your Sunday missives always depress me but I made myself read them anyway. Reality is the shits these days nearly everywhere I look, but then for most of the planets denizens that’s nothing new.

    Some glimmers of hope, the emergent secularism among the young around the world, the internet and its many many progressive bloggers, the rise of women.

    See you at Naked Capitalism and I hope cross posted around here.

  • joelmael commented on the blog post Sunday Food: Sick as The Poop

    2014-12-07 05:56:38View | Delete

    I’ll have to try some of those spices in my concoctions.

    My lazy boy method: About once a week I buy a cooked chicken at the super. I save all the scraps, skin and bones as I eat the chicken over 3 o 4 days, and simmer them a few hours, drain, cool the stock skim the fat, add a chopped onion. Then each week I alternate cooking dried peas, lentils, and beans, so I always have a choice of at least two.

    Yeah I’d like to find a vegetarian option too.

  • joelmael commented on the blog post Over Easy: ISPs Favor Regulation — When It Helps Them

    2014-12-05 06:51:43View | Delete

    Call att tell them you are thinking of quitting. I did and they transferred me to the “retention department” and they knocked the $56 charge back down to the $28 I was paying on the promotion I started with. I get about 11mbs last time I checked.

  • joelmael commented on the blog post FDL Going on Hiatus

    2014-12-01 14:34:05View | Delete

    Geeze, Jane, my heart sank at your first few words thinking it was the cancer returning…..just a hip transplant?….pardon my whoopee!

    You deserve a break anyway… I asked you a long time ago, when do you sleep? Forgot what you replied, something about time for that later. Naps, pillows, time for yourself…all guilt free, take advantage.
    (I know your concern for the Kirikous so chipping in)

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