Look, all I said to TBogg is leave the kid alone. TBogg said in a kindly way that maybe I did not read his piece correctly or perhaps at all. I did. I noted TBogg at the end of his latest piece is trying to walk some of the way back. It’s still snarky though and it was preceded by some pretty harsh stuff about a young quarterback in the NFL, as opposed to someone who ran the World Bank, the USA or some large corporation. I was saying save the snark for someone more important.

But TBogg and the real haters on this thread need not fret too much. This week, there is a sense New England is going to stomp on the Broncos and Tebow won’t be able to come back since Brady will put up more than 20 points by the third quarter. At least, that’s how it looks on a Monday before the game. It doesn’t mean Tebow will suddenly become a loser, it just means his team’s D will not keep him in the game every week against every team.

But then again, if Tebow rallies again in the 4th quarter, this will be even more amazing than George Blanda’s exploits in the early 1970s as a 40 something guy kicking field goals and extra points while throwing for touchdowns as the back up quarterback who had come off the bench to replace an injured starting quarterback.

In response to gunsbeforebutter at 11:

He became the official starter this year after another guy went 1-4. Comparing me to Rush is beyond silly, even here at the otherwise respected and mostly funny TBogg land.

TBogg, let’s see how long this all lasts. Right now, it’s quite a streak of last minute wins. And that is what’s rather exciting about it all. As I say, though, let’s leave this young man alone. He’s not James Keefe. He’s not Andrew Breitbart. He’s not Rick Perry or Michelle Bachmann. Heck, he’s not Gingrich. There are enough demons to make fun of and slay out there without snarking on Tebow.

Laugh while you can. He’s a kid because he’s 24 years old, three years below the average starting quarterback’s age in the NFL.

And what you want to ignore is this: Since he’s become the quarterback, the Broncos are 7-1.

As I say, you guys sound like Limbaugh ripping into McNabb several years ago when McNabb was initially doing well.

Let’s all leave this kid alone. He’s done well. He may be a right wing religious sorta guy, but TBogg sounds like Limbaugh ripping into Donovan McNabb. Eventually, Limbaugh was right, and maybe TBogg will eventually be right.

But seriously, this is some string of come from behind or late victories. And give the kid credit for inspiring the team.

In the way he runs and maneuvers, Tebow reminds me of an early, raw Fran Tarkington, who had his detractors then and now.

I appreciate your response, TBogg.

But it seems like you’re saying, we just scream and rage in the dark, and vote for Obama because of a potential Supreme Court nomination of someone who is to the right of Lewis Powell.

A third party that wins the presidential vote with New Deal values gets the fundamental conversation back into the room in a way that gets a sizable number of Tea Partiers on our side when it comes to a true stimulus plan of national internal improvements. That is worth fighting for–more than worrying about Supreme Court justices, all of whom are reliably pro-business including the Latina one…And really, TBogg, nobody can make John Roberts look like Abie Hoffman. That is simply hyperbole.

Still, at least I did not have to endure being told to keep wearing a Mumia t-shirt, which I do not own in the least. And I thank you for that! :-)

So explain to me TBogg why we can’t tell Obama and his advisers that we’re looking at third parties…I mean, I know the Republicans are crazy as a lot. But if somehow Romney wins the nomination, we are really no worse off since Romney will treat his right wing crazies as badly as Obama treats anyone to the left of Eisenhower (I’d say George Romeny, Mitt’s Dad, but he’d be called a Commie even more than Eisenhower).

MarkinAustin,

Making bad assumptions about me after your bad history isn’t helping you one bit. Hiding behind TBogg’s dress, with the Mumia joke, makes you a coward, too.

Sorry, Mumia bashing won’t save you here. We all know about that already. All I’m saying is that giving up and saying you’re voting for Obama next year is cynicism on rye with weakness as the mayo. I’d rather the bastards in DC run scared.

Come on, JennOfArk. That’s the best you can do? What kind of bullshit is “I don’t agree with your interpretation”? I get that people who say they are “conservative” who don’t know facts, but only their feelings they get from corporate media. Pathetic.

And one more thing to say to MarkinAustin: Carter appointed Volker as head of the Federal Reserve knowing Volker was a hard deficit hawk and hard money guy. So Carter was re-elected in 1980, we would still have increased defense spending a la Reagan and a deep recession due to contracting the money supply and economy overall.

Come on, people. This is TBogg’s place, where we are supposed to act tough and snarky. But suddenly, TBogg says, “Oh no, don’t trash Obama! Republicans might win…” as if Republicans are not winning every single day already. I know it can get worse. What bothers me at this point is that there is so little left to get worse in terms of our safety net compared to 1980 or even 2000. Idiocracy is nearly here…:-(

MarkinAusitn,

Carter was weak as president if one has any sympathy for the New Deal. That was my point.

Carter increased military spending in each of the last three years of his office and his proposed military build up if he had won in 1980 was similar to Reagan’s. Carter pushed for and got a reduction in the capital gains tax (fat lotta good it did him politically), and he personally told Congress he would veto the labor law reform that was being geared up for his signature by the lamented Harrison Williams (D-NJ). Carter also engaged in nation destruction in Zaire and Angola in 1977-1978 despite a great speech in 1977 against an inordinate fear of Communism undermining our best ideals.

Carter was unfairly blamed for inflation that came from the spike in oil prices, yes. And he was blamed for not bombing Iran to stop the mullahs from overthrowing the Shah, as if even Reagan could have gotten away with that for long…But let’s not idealize him based upon his post-president performance, which has been largely outstanding.

JennOfArk,

Please read more carefully what’s going on. Start here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/16/opinion/16krugman.html

And now read this little thing from the Daily Beast:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2009/01/16/obama-calls-for-entitlement-reform.html

Obama thinks Soc Sec is in crisis. He thinks Medicare needs deep reforms. Why? Because that is always part of the chat at cocktail parties of the elite who gather in the Village known as the Beltway. This is the basis for the Grand Bargain he seeks.

And what made Obama really suspect to me was that after saying we need to shore up Soc Sec, he supported and pushed for a cut in the payroll tax that funds Soc Sec and Medicare. How ridiculous is that? All to protect against further deficits caused by continuing the income tax cuts for the top taxpayers?

The cynicism that says, We should not even challenge Obama, is really a recipe for disaster. The difference between the earlier decades up through 2000 is that we are now as a nation deep into economic decline, and we are running out of time to reverse that trend. To allow our choices to remain competent bankers like Obama and incompetent bankers like most Republican Party candidates for president is to accept that decline.

You say that as if there is all that much difference between the parties in terms of the decline of our nation…Why give him an open road without some dissenting fight? To say something has never worked is something our Founders would have laughed at, since they were told the same thing. At some point, it ought to work, and this is as good a time as any…

At long last, what is left for Obama to do to our nation other than to complete the destruction of Social Security and Medicare, the last of the safety nets? We know he is itching to privatize Social Security and Medicare in some “Grand Bargain.” And his latest anti-civil liberties actions and anti-constitutional actions with respect to Libya are just manifestations of GW Bush. He is essentially firing Robert Gates for not getting with the executive aggrandizement program on Libya. That is pretty pathetic.

TBogg,

Too easy. I think it is important for us to openly defy the Obama Machine, and at least consider a Green or other alternative. We don’t yet know who is the Republican nominee. While we know Gore would have been better than Bush Jr in hardening our airports to have avoided 9/11, we can be more certain Gore (with his similar neo-con advisers) would have been more emboldened–had 9/11 not occurred–to attack Iraq. And who knows whether he would have allowed rich people skewed tax cuts the way Obama allowed it to happen? Yes, we’d have a marginally better Supreme Court, but again, is that what we’re left doing as our nation continues its economic decline?

Rather than snark against those who know as well as you do that Obama has been a deep disappointment, and simply a weakling in the Jimmy Carter mode, we really ought to be scaring the heck out of Obama and his White House advisers who already have no respect for us and really do hate us. That’s all those folks respect…

This lawsuit was filed in Federal Court. Federal Rules of Civil Procedure Rule 11 states people who file lawsuits without a reasonable basis, which is easier to prove than proving “frivolousness,” will be sanctioned in paying the other side’s (in this case Carter and Simon & Schuster) attorney’s fees and costs. The lawyers may also face State Bar discipline in the states they may be licensed in (the Israeli State Bar may also end up investigating the Israeli lawyer if Rule 11 sanctions are imposed). My understanding of common law in both federal and state courts in most states is that unfair business practices statutes and fraud common counts do not trump the First Amendment (see also the famous Supreme Court case involving Hustler Magazine and Jerry Falwell from the 1980s).

NY’s anti-SLAPP (Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation, which is the phrase to describe how people use lawsuits to shut up people who speak out) law is unfortunately narrow, unlike California and other states which have an anti-SLAPP law. NY’s law only applies to those seeking permits, zoning changes, etc. CA’s law, which deals with public issues beyond the narrow confines of a permit or zoning ordinance, would have knocked out this lawsuit from the start with an automatic attorneys’ fees recovery for the defendants. I also find it outrageous for these plaintiffs to complain that they were misled into buying the book, but paragraph 5 or 6 talks about how Carter is well-known for being anti-Israel and biased against Israel. Funny that…

As a licensed lawyer, I can reasonably say that the two attorneys who filed this suit had better have warned their clients of what they are all risking in terms of Rule 11 sanctions….Rule 11 applies to litigants and their attorneys.

Substantively, Jimmy C is especially now owed an apology by those who ripped into him now that we know from the so-called “Palestine Papers” just how much the Palestinian negotiators were willing to give up to get to peace with Israel. It is pathetic that these plaintiffs would quibble over whether Resolution 242 requires every inch of territory or most of the territory be returned to Arab control as one of their lead arguments…

I enjoyed the part where Mr. Me No Like Big Federal Government says the withdrawal of federal irrigation funds had a deeply adverse effect. Hmmm…Where’s that free market just waiting to kick in when the feds are removed, Victor?

This guy should stay in his Spartan-Athenian Wars and leave modern policy making to grown ups.