President Reese Witherspoon thanks you for the mention.
I’m horribly, selfishly, cheered that you aren’t exiting the snarkosphere, T~~ we need more than 140-character doses of your unparalleled wit. Thanks for soldiering on, and for your kindness to us at Rumproast. It’s well remembered.
BTW, if your strain of flu was anything like mine, you may be feeling Bassetesque droopiness for a while to come. But with AIPAC just around the corner, shall you be content to remain on your davenport, by Heaven? Does Charlie Pierce have to do all the heavy lifting? Tag team, Tbogg! I know it isn’t fair, but for some reason, awful people are evidently tireless. (requisite Yeats quote here)
Nobody bestirs themselves to risk demanding change until the present becomes sufficiently uncomfortable
In the case of letting the red-hot wingnuts take the White House, that sounds mighty close to destroying the village to save it territory. Easy to say if it isn’t your little grass hut that will burn.
Obama sold himself as one thing, and gives us the opposite. In the case of Afghanistan, Obama said he would put more resources into it; some people weren’t listening. In the case of being a proggy dream, he immediately tried to close Gitmo, and Dems in Congress rained on that one instantly. He’s never had anything but a recalcitrant Congress with Blue Dogs at the best of times, and after 2010, loony bible-thumping mooks to work with.
The Blessed Ralph, may his name be magnified, had he been president, would have issued one day’s worth of spectacular executive orders, assuming that he’s OK with misusing executive power for easily legislatively countermanded, temporary grandstanding. And then he’d have been a most doleful lame duck president for the next three years, while every congressional procedural genius went through every arcane rule to find ingenious ways to deny him any legislative accomplishment at all.
What Obama has done is to protect the unemployed, to get some stimulus passed that fed tens of thousands of families, to get a healthcare law passed that Clinton couldn’t. Yeah, it isn’t single payer. And it won’t cover my green, warty back entirely until 2014. But it is a significant achievement that means something to me. And for me, and hundreds of thousands of Americans, if the GOP wins, things will get significantly, dramatically worse than they would under Obama. I can’t afford your political niceties.
That shiny smooth metal, btw, is my armor. I find a lorica segmentata invaluable in these little skirmishes.
“I’m no fortune teller.” There you go! We are having a bonding moment.
I love the props to Republicans for not crying about Perot. They blamed him plenty, but had no blogosphere to which they could confide their sorrows the way we have today. But the dignity, the calm, heroic dignity! Their noble chins barely trembled as they set in determination to move on, move to something nobler, something worthy:
Impeaching a man for a blow job.
And thanks for answering my query as to whether the “Obama is a Republican” people are sheltered pony-loving naifs: you don’t think things will be worse under the GOP than Obama? Mazel Tov! Here’s your pony: Ralph is on Lawrence, right now! Enjoy him. Love him, comb his forelock.
Oh yes, Claudius’s “Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.”
And then he ate Livia’s mushrooms.
BTW, being married to a genuWine komminist, I get to hear plenty of revolutionary theory. I notice that “Workers of the world, UNITE” is the most ignored instruction in history since “Judge not lest ye be judged.”
And as to frogboiling, out of the cauldron and into the fire, my dear! Inasmuch as regret has been expressed about the tone of this thread, I am letting “all you Obamabots” slide off my warty green back.
Sorry, “Inanity Jane” is Sarah Palin. Forgot where I was for a moment!
How about “the Kwittin’ Image” instead?
So how’s that Craigslist candidate search going? Don’t forget to tell another third party before you go to meet him/her, and make sure to pack your pepper spray.
“Primary his hiney.” Your fingertips must sting from typing that one! Do you have to replace your keyboard often?
What a meretricious bit of non-reasoning.
The Dem/Bush voters don’t matter the way the Dem/Nader voters do because they would have voted just as they did had Nader not run. They were lost. You can argue Gore’s lackluster campaigning, plus all the other horribly scheevy misdoings all you want, but the guy running around yelling that Gore and Bush were TweedleDee and TweedleDum wasn’t Bush. The guy who ostensibly would have preferred a less corporation-friendly SCOTUS didn’t give a Corvair’s lugnut that his candidacy might possibly throw the election to the GOP, and campaigned in swing states, where he’d said he would not.
The people here who are breezily declaring they’ll vote for anybody or nobody before Obama, or even vote for Inanity Jane, seem pretty sheltered to me. Are they on unemployment? I don’t think so. Receiving food stamps? I doubt it. Nobody really in need of the protection of government social services would toy with the idea of letting the TeaGOP anywhere near power.
Oughtn’t one forbear singling out a serviceable anachronism which has not done harm to any living orthographic thing?
And thank you! I say, this, and I mean it, I couldn’t have done it without at least 288 of you. Thanks to Humboldt, who keeps me honest, and Tbogg~ you are the wind beneath my ears.
What doesn’t matter is how many Democrats voted for Bush. What does matter is that Nader took away more than enough votes from Gore for Bush to win.
What’s astounding is that while in 2000, people had the excuse of not knowing that “compassionate Conservative” Bush would turn out to be the spectacular golden spiral of every disastrous thing a chief executive could be, there are still people willing to repeat the entire pattern all over again.
And “tarring and feathering?” Wail, sons and daughters of democracy~~what Ralph has suffered! His appearances curtailed to Amy Goodman! His three million dollars worth of stocks underperforming!*
*Yes, I know he gives most of his dividends to charity. The point is that he gets to set the spartan income on which he lives. He is entirely financially secure, unlike the people who cannot afford a Republican in the White House.
You haven’t read TBogg’s Mumia sweatshirt post, have you?
So you shan’t be contradicted? Well, not by me, because I would hate to ruin such a thing of perfection as the creamy, unctuous, swirly topping of lovely rich delusion on top of your sweet crumbly denial muffin. Mmmm…. A person can only stand back and admire.
Who said it had nothing to do with all of the above? But they would have had a much harder time if there had been a difference of five thousand votes.
Nadir went for the swing votes he’s promise he wouldn’t, and he screwed the Greens into the bargain.
Well, that’s one, anyway! Thanks, Twain.
The disenfranchisement of minority voters, the dirty tricks, threats of violence–it’s a powerful film. I’m sure Ms. McKinney brought a DVD with her when she visited Libyan State TV.
Banana oil. Even if Gore did not campaign particularly well, had Nadir constrained his Savonarolesque crusade to non-swing states, and gone for the 5% of the popular vote he’d said he wanted for the Greens, then the Green party would have got the funding it wanted and Gore would have taken Florida, and the presidency.
Where he could then have enjoyed at least four years of hearing exactly what a corporatist shill he was from Nadir, as he appointed Supreme Court judges who weren’t Samuel Alito or John Roberts.
I do know. That’s what makes him a tragic figure. The monstrosity of his own undoing of himself is something he can’t ever admit. And he has played a significant role in undoing us as individuals and as a nation, so his under 3% popular vote Fail doesn’t make him seem so diminished, now, does it!
On the contrary, Ms. Mason! It’s great to hear Nadirphiles repeating the pleasant fantasy that he didn’t pull votes from Gore, merely by repeating their article of faith and hoping non-believers will See the Light and join Saint Ralph.
Ralph Nader promised not to try to throw the election by campaigning in swing states, but broke his promise and did exactly that.
Now let’s look at Florida. Again! If only 5% of Nader’s voters had voted for Gore instead, Gore would have won:
Bush — 2,909,176
Gore — 2,907,451
Nader — 96,837
5% of Nader’s vote: 4,841
That’s a conservative estimate from a Straight Dope thread, but Ralph blows himself out of the water: according to him, he pulled 47% of his votes from Gore, as opposed to only 28% from Bush, as noted by Jonathan Chait. So he puts himself squarely in the role of spoiler: he only refuses to admit it.
Appearing on a talk show after the election, Nader cited polls that showed that, had he not run, only 38 percent of his voters would have backed Gore versus 25 percent for Bush. Strangely, Nader held up these numbers as a defense against the spoiler charge. Yet the very data cited by Nader, if applied to Florida, shows that he took a net 12,000 votes from Gore—more than enough to hand the state, and the electoral college, to Bush.
Nadir to Citizens United. Direct flight.
Tracy, jinx! Which shall it be, Hair of the Basset or TeaTears?
The Ralph Nader who was an ascetic crusader for consumer safety, him we loved. The preening egotist who used the Greens to launch a bid which helped the GOP steal Florida, the rich man who could afford to declare there wasn’t any difference between the two parties, the tragic figure who managed to empower a gigantic assault on every advance he’d achieved in the sixties, him we could do without.
To call the feeling here against Nader “corporatist” is disingenuous. There’s a straight line from him to Citizens United.
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