AUMF says nothing about either scary people or US citizens. No law trumps the Constitution and treaties. No matter elections there have been.
The Constitution incorporates the laws passed by Congress into the Supreme Law of the Land.
PL 107-40 reads:
(a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.
There is no end to the war declared.
The scope is obviously global as no nation is stated.
The difference between murderers and terrorists is terrorist intend to create fear, to scare people, to be seen as scary people. If terrorists are seen as clowns, they have failed to be terrorists.
And nations are made up of people, groups are made up of people, but even individuals are listed as the enemy we are at war with.
The enemy is identified by law by the president, and by law, by the president alone: “…the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against…persons he determines…”.
And it requires preventative war, and war is absolutely not arrest, try, convict, punish – war is kill and destroy.
Congress is made up of the people We the People elect to represent us. They passed this law as the Constitution grants them the power to do, and now that it is law, it is by the Constitution the Supreme Law of the Land.
Don’t like the law, then get Congress to change it. Congress passes laws, and I can’t think of a single member of Congress who lost an election for voting for this law, or for his continued support for this law, a law that is of broad scope granting great power, and responsibility, explicitly to the president, not to Obama, but to the president.
As long as this law is on the books, the president has great power, no matter the president. But the president does not have the power to change the law.
What is the problem? Getting the people, We the People, to agree with you?
One thing I admire about conservatives is their laser focus on who gets elected to Congress because they know Congress is where the power is.
We created the government to serve us. It is a matter of fact that “the created cannot be master to that which created it” – namely, us.
Yep, and the Congress that serves us declared endless global war on scary people in September 2001, and in 5000 elections since we have elected and reelected representative to Congress that have ratified that war, and not one candidate running has been defeated because he refused to promise to end the endless global war.
Our government is not based on electing a dictator, but on electing a Congress that speaks and acts for all of us. Congress declared the war.
Due process was Congress declaring endless global war on scary people in September 2001, a war that no one has objected to by defeating those representing We the People in any of the 5000 elections to Congress since.
Name one candidate who defeated a single member of Congress based on their full support for the endless global war on scary people? I only know of one member of Congress to introduce a law to end the endless global war, with no cosponsors.
War is the means to kill and destroy, with a jury of 535 members of Congress representing the judgement of We the People issuing the verdict based on the evidence. We the People have had no second thoughts about the verdict based on the six elections since.
Why don’t you read the law? To help you understand PL 107-40 I have summarized it in plain language:
Congress declared endless global war on scary people that the president is required to name.
In war, you kill and destroy, you do not arrest, try, and punish.
It is Congress that declared the endless global war on scary people. Thus you need to focus your rage against Congress, and no member of Congress has been defeated for reelection for declaring endless global war on scary people.
We the People only defeat members of Congress for reelection for daring to vote to provide unemployment benefits, for voting to provide better access to health care, for voting to provide food to the hungry, but never for voting to declare war.
And We the People have voted collectively in about 5000 election of members of Congress and in not one was the vote for or ongoing support for the endless global war on scary people an issue that threatened anyone of them.
And remember, we are talking war as in military killing and destroying.
What part of war don’t you understand?
And just to be clear, We the People elect the members of Congress who are the only ones with the power to declare war, based on the assumption they are closer to the people and represent the interests and concerns of We the People.
Only one member of Congress to my knowledge has submitted a bill to end this war on scary people, with no cosponsors. It seems to me you are attacking Obama because you know your fellow citizens have no problem with the endless global war on scary people which results in dead scary people.
mulp commented on the diary post Why isn’t Unemployment an Emergency? Damn it DC, Hire Us! by spocko.
While corporate CEO’s can vote once, but corporations get no votes. Greenpeace members get their votes, but Greenpeace gets no vote. Planned Parenthood supporters get their votes, but Planned Parenthood gets no vote. The unemployed get their opportunity to vote, but often do not use it, believing all those progressives who claim voting never changes [...]
mulp commented on the blog post Occupy Our Homes Activists Arrested At Justice Department Headquarters
Clearly the last thing you want from republican government is the people electing representatives who pass laws that require bankers to make honest mortgage loans that are clearly backed by sound assets at honest interest rates the borrowers can repay over the life of the mortgage, because a republican government means strongmen implement rule of men, not rule of law.
Rule of law is too inconvenient. It prevents fraudulent mortgage lending that works well when pump and dump is driving up real estate prices, with the right government strongman redistributing the winnings for the benefit of the defrauded. The election of Obama was to allow Obama to use executive power to redistribute wealth to favor his base supporters.
We the People should be free to vote Republican to get tax cuts and other benefits Republicans use to buy votes, and then when things turn bad, vote Democratic to have them use the power of government to take from the rich and give to us, so we can get back to voting for tax cuts by voting Republican.
Where is the attack on Darrell Issa for failing to hold Congressional hearings on the Obama administration’s failure to oversee SONGS? This is scandalously poor management of government regulation. The botched OA approval of SONGS upgrades has cost taxpayers and ratepayers hundreds of millions if not billions. And SONGS just proves the government can not [...]
mulp commented on the blog post Have the Pentagon Brass Learned From the Catholic Bishops?
If military personnel use sex as a tool of power over their fellow comrades who should be watching their backs, what will they do to prisoners of war or civilians they have a duty to protect?
The scandal of various peacekeepers under the UN flag raping and engaging in sex trade has often condemned the UN for failure of oversight, or condemnation of the forces from less developed nations, but the US military is clearly not much better than those forces under the UN.
And the disgusting videos of abuse of Iraqi prisoners is simply the same abuse the US soldiers are giving their fellow service members.
mulp commented on the blog post White House Benghazi Emails Have Different Quotes Than GOP Version
That is exactly what was done. The emails were released and the press secretaries stated the media “quotes” of statements made by Republicans about the emails are contradicted by the emails. However, the press knows progressives what Obama and the Democrats in Congress blamed for everything, so the media suppresses the OA message, just like the media suppressing the messages of the environmentalist, civil libertarians, scientists, pacifists, Tea Party, Occupy – very very very loud voices make clear what the news should report. Listen to conservatives and progressives and it is absolutely clear the media must attack Obama and must not attack conservatives or Republicans or McConnell or McCain or Palin.
After all, anyone who defends Obama and his Obamabots in Congress is a mindless Obamabot.
I guess the theory of war is you can’t kill Hitler or any of his generals or scientists inventing bombs and missiles unless he is leading the charge to invade the US or something, because otherwise, he isn’t an imminent threat to anyone??? In September 2001, Congress declared endless global war on scary people, with [...]
And what steps did you take in 2010 to replace the Republicans opposed to even Obamacare with progressives who would “repeal and replace with single payer”.
Or did you think replacing Democrats with Tea Party candidates would lead to single payer?
You mean like LBJ who could not get 70 liberal Democrats (compared to today) in the Senate and 30 liberal Republicans (compared to today) to pass Medicare for all in the Senate, and the same basic situation in the House.
Name one Democrat who tried to deliver more comprehensive health care access than Obama who succeeded?
I suppose you are extolling the John Edwards single payer coverage you get. Or do you pick the Howard Dean single payer option.
You still need to buy private insurance, unless you are prepared to pay thousands and even tens of thousands out of pocket.
After turning 65, the only improvement over buying my own insurance was the much lower price thanks to the heavy subsidy, but Medicare still costs me about $3000 a year, after lots of subsidies. If I were a lot poorer with no assets, then with more applications I could get more subsidies to bring the cost to near zero.
Medicare is actually more like six payer insurance coverage.
mulp commented on the diary post The Assault on Food Stamps Takes Legislative Form, and Jamie Dimon Profits! by Ohio Barbarian.
It is 0.5%, not 5%, a token cut. If nothing is passed by Congress, which means both the House and Senate, then the best case is a CR with a 5-7% cut for everything. Did you work hard last year to get representatives to Congress from your State, who promised tax hikes to fund more [...]
mulp commented on the blog post Caring for the Poor Is Up for Debate in the Catholic Church?
Well, did he rally students to defeat him in 2014 by taking the Benedictine creed to the voters of Ryan’s district, or is the college changing its creed and name to Ayn Rand College?
It is for furthering public debate that such speakers are invited – a college should not be inviting a Limbaugh with everyone simply shouting “ditto” as the speaker just echoes everything heard before.
The test of any college is the ability of its graduates to understand and respond to such speakers by their actions in the next phase of their life.
mulp commented on the blog post State Department Demands Takedown Of 3D Printable Gun Files
The iTar was a real pain to tech companies in the 80s under the enforcement policies of the Reagan administration. Minicomputers and micros were getting faster along with disk drives getting bigger so fast they became “supercomputers” which could not be exported to the “enemy”.
This release is like Zimmerman’s 1991 release of the code for PGP which turned into a Bush administration criminal investigation for violating iTar. In the end, the courts ruled “free speech” and the laws on encryption were changed by Congress.
In the 90s, the argument that these obsolete laws were harming corporate profits was used to get Congress to change the laws.
Do you think the unemployed can do the jobs done by the immigrants?
And by that I mean work like a dog in a bad work situation for incomes that won’t buy dog food much less cat food?
…which is incredibly expensive – no one on Social Security can afford to eat the cat food they buy, they are struggling to feed their cat who is their best friend, so they will eat cheaper beans and rice or ramen or crackers.
As long as you ignore the fact the power is in Congress, not the presidency, what can I do but assume things you won’t say but are implied by what you say?
You object to the DLC finding ways of electing Democrats because you prefer Republicans?
What was the alternative? Where is the evidence that the voters were looking for real leftists? Who are the real leftists in Congress? Are right wing Republicans in Congress because the Democrats failed to put real leftist on the ballot in opposition to the Republicans?
If it is so easy to elect real leftists to Congress, which real leftists have you ushered into Congress? Once you can demonstrate the path to electing the right members of Congress in your State, then you spread it around to the rest of the States so you deliver the Congress that passes the laws you want. Obama would be happy to sign their laws.
You oppose Obama executing the laws of Congress?
You oppose Obama executing the endless global war on scary people passed by Congress in September 2001?
Are you arguing that the president should just make up the laws that you want and ignore Congress?
Or are you opposed to Obama signing any law passed by Congress and expect him to shutdown government until the Republicans become leftist socialists?
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