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  • spocko commented on the diary post Nixon Wouldn’t Have Authorized Torture, Suggests John Dean by spocko.

    2014-09-02 19:15:26View | Delete

    Thanks!

  • spocko commented on the diary post Nixon Wouldn’t Have Authorized Torture, Suggests John Dean by spocko.

    2014-09-02 18:57:07View | Delete

    When you say summary execution what specifically are you referring to? I agree with you about the perceived necessities of the ruling class. One of the things points Gordon makes in her book is what cowards Americans are. And they don’t want to acknowledge that when it comes to someone telling us, “This will make [...]

  • spocko commented on the diary post Nixon Wouldn’t Have Authorized Torture, Suggests John Dean by spocko.

    2014-09-02 18:50:54View | Delete

    A link for info and action? Some dismiss “clicktavism” but it is a place to start.

  • spocko commented on the diary post Nixon Wouldn’t Have Authorized Torture, Suggests John Dean by spocko.

    2014-09-02 18:49:07View | Delete

    We really do need to make it clear that what’s done to the Other can very easily be done to anyone,

    This point was made clear to me by my dear friend Interrobang. She pointed out that when Americans talk about torture they are always seeing themselves in the position of power. The ones to have [...]

  • spocko commented on the diary post Nixon Wouldn’t Have Authorized Torture, Suggests John Dean by spocko.

    2014-09-02 17:41:35View | Delete

    BTW, I was going to include this in the post, but it kind of didn’t seem right. From Laugh In.


    Sock it to me?

  • spocko commented on the diary post Nixon Wouldn’t Have Authorized Torture, Suggests John Dean by spocko.

    2014-09-02 17:29:28View | Delete

    A huge part of me wants to dismiss this as nonsense. But there is also the part of me that has found out years later the nasty things that are done in the service of power.

  • spocko commented on the diary post Nixon Wouldn’t Have Authorized Torture, Suggests John Dean by spocko.

    2014-09-02 16:41:01View | Delete

    Thank you. Well said.

  • spocko commented on the diary post Nixon Wouldn’t Have Authorized Torture, Suggests John Dean by spocko.

    2014-09-02 16:40:10View | Delete

    You know of course that he has now listened to thousands of hours of conversations from the Nixon White House right? I’ve also asked Rick Perlstein this same question. The question is also about overt torture. Letting the American people know about it and being PROUD about it like Cheney. As we know,Nixon was a [...]

  • spocko commented on the diary post Nixon Wouldn’t Have Authorized Torture, Suggests John Dean by spocko.

    2014-09-02 14:32:37View | Delete

    I think that the use of certain words and the deliberate tweaking and weakening of others is one of the most powerful things that comes out of the right wing and the RW media. My friend Anat does the kind of dial testing and focus groups that Frank Luntz does only for our side. People [...]

  • spocko commented on the diary post Nixon Wouldn’t Have Authorized Torture, Suggests John Dean by spocko.

    2014-09-02 13:15:18View | Delete

    I’m really kind of bummed, but not surprised, Nixon had no sense of humor. I wonder who was the least funny and most funny president? W. might have thought he was funny, but his humor was mean, frat boy humor. Clinton knew how to make fun of himself. When people in power “punch down” with [...]

  • ThumbnailI asked John Dean a few questions about his new book,  The Nixon Defense: What He Knew and When He Knew It , during the FDL Book Salon . 1) After listening to hundreds of hours of all conversations did President “Sock it to me” Nixon tell any good jokes? Were they dirty? Racist or sexist? His answer was, ” Bottom line: [...]

  • spocko commented on the blog post Late Late Night FDL: Paul Bunyan

    2014-08-30 23:59:17View | Delete

    Hi been trying to respond browser crash. Did you see DEAns response to the torture question. N
    I might do a post on that.
    Or his lack of sense of humor.

  • spocko commented on the blog post Late Late Night FDL: Paul Bunyan

    2014-08-30 23:28:56View | Delete

    Nah, don’t give up electronic communications. The NSA has so much stuff they will find out about our secret plot to take over democratic party. I mean just put it out here in broad daylight. Pretty much everyone ignores us. I mean look what the Project for the New America Century people did or the Tea partiers. They told everyone what they were going to do and then did it.

    It’s not a secret conspiracy if it’s not secret.

  • HA! I knew it. New book “Nixon, our un-funniest president” wait scratch that, a Buzzfeed list. “American Presidents with the best, and worse, senses of humor.”
    It would get a million hits. I wonder where Harding would be on the list?
    I heard Taft was a gas and Clinton loved to laugh. Polk? Adams? Not so funny.

  • Thank you! Looking forward to my #114.

    (John Dean is the David Sedaris of online Book Salons!)

  • Conservatives Without Conscience and your writing on authoritarian personalities referencing Bob Altemeyer’s – The Authoritarians is one of my favorite books because it has helped me understand the right wing politicians and especially the RW media.

    I think that by understanding them personalities we can help defeat them. For example if you know that they have a lust for revenge that goes beyond rationality, you look to that place for them to lose their grip.

    And if necessary, prepare for and set up the conditions for them to act as they will in front of people who aren’t as forgiving as their fans.

    I’m somewhat heartened by your comment about Nixon not wanting to torture, which goes back to the line some have made about “Nixon was our last liberal President”

    I’m also disgusted by acceptance of torture by so many in the national stage. Saying ” we tortured some folks” with no follow up prosecution and no comment that “we won’t do it again” is pathetic.

    What would Nixon’s reasons have been for not torturing people? Was he close enough to WWII and the Nuremberg trials to remember war crimes? Was if about American ideals? Religious ideals? Did he not have a John Yoo writing legal memos for him?

  • Thank you. Very interesting. I’m always looking at ways to help people in organizations who see wrong doings. They don’t want to be whistleblowers, but often they don’t know who to go to and how to present a case.

    Sometimes I want to give an entity an excuse/reason to do the right thing.

    Are you saying that people can use Rule 1.13 when talking to a corporate general counsel so that they are now put into the hot seat? Such as, “You serve the institution, not the people. One of the men in our corporations is doing something wrong. You need to report this up, but not to the wrong doer. Also if nothing is changed, you need to report it out.”

    This sounds like a very powerful tool. Is it used very often? I am not a lawyer, but a know people in big companies who have a corp counsel. My friends see wrong doing but don’t know what to do.

    It’s funny just today I wrote about a CEO of a corporation who got caught kicking his dog. I’m wondering what other kind of stuff he does in the office that people are afraid to report for fear of retaliation from a guy who kicks dogs.

  • Yeah, it sounds long, but couldn’t you have saved some time on certain transcripts by just writing “expletives deleted?” :-)

    Seriously, who had the foulest mouth? Also, who was the funniest? Anyone a good joke teller? Andy memorable dirty, sexist, racist jokes?

    I can’t imagine President ‘Sock it too me” was a card, but people might have felt obligated to laugh at his jokes. And getting a bunch of guys together with no women around means someone had to be off color with their comments. Who?

    Maybe there is a quick minibook in this, “The jokes and humor of the Nixon White House.”

  • This one might be for James and well as John, in the James mentions “What are a lawyer’s professional ethical duties when confronted with organizational fraud or crime? Watergate, we teach, changed legal ethics for the good – it is one of Watergate’s few remaining positive legacies”

    I almost want to say, ‘How’s that working out for us?” But since I like to be positive and hope for the future, “What should lawyers have learned to do ethically based on that event? Are they learning that or how to avoid having to act ethical when confronted with organizational fraud. Or are they learning how to make things legal, if not ethical?”

    I’m specifically thinking about all the lawyers working in Wall Street firms and big banks. What are their ethical duties and why haven’t they been showing up on the witness stand?

  • People sometimes joke about what Rumsfeld and Cheney learned from the Nixon White House and Watergate. Number one, don’t get caught. Number two destroy all the evidence. Make everything secret. May formerly illegal acts, legal.

    But what do you think the lessons Cheney and Rumsfeld learned from the Watergate scandal?

    And, on the other side, would a whistleblower inside the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld circle be possible today or are they just too smart to get caught?

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