Huh????

How many heterosexuals have been murdered in order for them to have their civil right to be married?

How many heterosexuals have been murdered in order to gain their civil right to not be fired from their job for being straight?

How many heterosexuals have been murdered in order to gain the right to equal access to housing?

When will they learn that there isn’t a required level of violence that has to be obtained in order to be deserving of rights? That’s why they are called “rights”.

In Nov of 2010 Perkins was on Hardball and cited data from the discredited American College of Pediatricians to claim that gay men molest children at far higher rates than others.

Matthews was forced to come on his show the following day and correct the record that the American College of Pediatricians, although an official sounding group, is a professional organization for socially conservative pediatricians and healthcare professionals, the group has taken a number of hard-line positions when it comes to LGBT rights, advocating for a prohibition against adoption rights for same-sex couples and also offering high praise for reparative therapy.

Like NARTH, ACPeds was born from an ideological split within a profession. It was founded in 2002 as a protest against the much larger American Academy of Pediatrics’ support for LGBT adoption rights — and that opposition remains central to the group’s identity.

ACPeds is believed to have no more than 200 members, a tiny fraction of the nearly 60,000 professionals who belong to the American Academy of Pediatrics.

But thanks to its deceptive name — which makes it sound as if it is the mainstream professional organization for pediatricians — ACPeds often serves as a supposedly scientific source for groups pushing utter falsehoods about LGBT people.

The truth, as the American Psychological Association says in an official statement, is that “homosexual men are not more likely to sexually abuse children than heterosexual men are.”

Citing this kind of deceptive data is one of the reasons the SPLC designated FRC as a hate group.

I often wonder why Matthews doesn’t seem to remember this incident and hasn’t treated Perkins’ statements with more caution ever since.

They still let Perkins get away with saying that kids do better with both a mother and father than with same-sex parents without correcting him and saying that it was PROVEN in a court of law at the Prop 8 trial that this isn’t true. Upon cross-examination, the witnesses in the trial making that claim had to admit that the children raised by same-sex parents do as well as those raised by opposite-sex parents.

They made no mention of Amendment One in the robocall I received from them today asking me to go out and vote on Tuesday.

As I recall from my English classes in school if you read Biden’s statement here:

“I am absolutely comfortable with the fact that men marrying men, women marrying women and heterosexual men marrying women are entitled to the same exact rights. All the civil rights, all the civil liberties.”

What Biden is saying he is comfortable with is the entitlement to the same rights for gays and lesbians who happen to be married. He has not said that he believes same-sex marriage should be legal throughout the entire country.

You can’t cut off the “are entitled to the same exact rights” part of the sentence and change the word marrying to marry and then just pretend that it reads as “I am absolutely comfortable with the fact that men marry men and women marry women”.

That’s just projection of what you want it to mean.

It’s actually just as Axelrod says. Obama believes the same as Biden stated. That if same sex couples are legally married, they are entitled to the same exact rights. All the civil rights, all the civil liberties.

This why Obama has stopped defending DOMA in Federal courts. It is one of the DOMA sections that is stopping married same sex couples from receiving all the same exact rights.

The DNC did promise support, did they ever come through? Do they expect us to support them in Charlotte at the convention this summer?

Joe forgot to include the support of the public urinaters.

I have sent this info to Raleigh’s News and Observer, WRALTV, WTVD and News Channel 14 (Time Warner Cable’s news). Let’s see if it gets any NC coverage. This is the kind of behavior that flourishes when elected officials push for laws to legally define a group of people as “less than” and not deserving of the full rights of citizenship.

What the proponents of this amendment fear most is the possibility of courts and judges changing the definition of marriage and making same-sex marriage legal in NC. Passing this amendment may actually force the issue into the courts sooner than it would have gotten there otherwise.

There were no activists running around the state bringing court challenges against the current law that already makes same-sex marriage illegal. And, the courts in NC are not filled with liberal “activist” judges who would look kindly on those suits if they were brought. After all, judges in NC are elected, not appointed for life.

The Prop 8 amendment in CA was found to be unconstitutional. And, that finding was upheld on appeal in a federal district court. One of the reasons the finding of unconstitutionality was upheld was because Prop 8 took away rights from a class of people that they already had. And, those rights were taken away for no reason other than animus.

Because of the broad overreach of Amendment One, that same situation will occur in NC if it passes. Both same-sex and opposite- sex couples have legal domestic partnership benefits provided to them through their employment with many municipal governments like Durham, Chapel Hill and Carrboro. Passage of this amendment will eliminate those benefits. Rights once held by a group of people will be eliminated for no reason other than animus.

If the group defending Prop 8 in CA couldn’t come up with a valid reason for their amendment that would pass muster in court other than “for the Bible tells me so” (which wasn’t deemed valid), I don’t think they would be able to do it here in NC either.

So, passage of the amendment will likely result in a court challenge as soon as any couple loses their domestic partnership benefits.
The very court cases that the pro amendment forces have feared will ultimately be brought about by the over reach of their own amendment. And, they will lose. There is precedent now from the Prop 8 case.

Had they written an amendment that only outlawed marriage and left civil unions and domestic partnerships alone, they probably would have been safe from court challenges. But, as Tami Fitzgerald said, she didn’t want to leave open the possibility of civil unions ever coming to NC. She considers civil unions to be the gateway to eventual marriage rights. She wanted to stop it all in one fell swoop. That over reach is what will cause the downfall either by logical voters rejecting the amendment at the ballot box now or by the courts when the amendment is challenged if it passes.

I’m getting rather tired of the concept that marriages and families are only “real” if there are children involved.

Don’t the same-sex families that have no children count in her calculations?

Seems to me that numbers 2 – 6 could easily depend on the fact that domestic partnerships are currently legal in NC. But, they won’t be legal if the amendment passes. If I were a defense attorney, I would certainly argue that position for my client’s advantage.

Yes, Ohio’s Supreme Court “eventually” cleared the situation up. But, that took YEARS to do. And, during those years, people were without protection.

All of those 30 states don’t have amendments as drastic as the one here in NC. And, in Ohio, it took 5 years of court battles to get the domestic violence laws fixed to handle unmarried couples after their amendment passed. In Ohio, domestic violence convictions were overturned using their amendment. New domestic violence cases were not won because of their amendment. Again, it took 5 years of court battles to fix the mess the amendment caused.

Me too. Although, it is true that there is no definition of “flyover country” that includes NC.

NC is a coastal state that isn’t flown “over” when flying between the east and west coasts.

NC is the 10 largest state in the union with a HUGE number of businesses and corporate headquarters which brings large numbers of US and international business travelers here.

NC is a vacation “destination” state with the beaches and mountains which brings large numbers of non-business travelers here.

And yet, didn’t someone from the Obama administration come here and say that this fight would be a way of proving how to organize to win the state for Obama in the fall?

Has the DNC come through with the money they said would be coming?

Three things struck me from Wolfson’s interview with Signorile.

First, he was trying to make the claim that his group’s $35,000 donation to the campaign to keep the legislature from putting the amendment on the ballot somehow counts as a contribution to the current campaign to defeat the amendment.

Secondly, he was proudly discussing the fact that he emailed his NC list of supporters with a plea to help us in this fight. Why only his NC supporters? Why not send an email to his entire list asking for support for NC? Haven’t supporters in NC supported marriage fights outside of NC? Doesn’t NC even deserve for supporters outside the state to be asked for support for us?

Finally, I still haven’t gotten any kind of answer for why Wolfson has included NH in his list of five states. The battle there is finished, we won.

The irony is that if those voting against Amendment One had used children in their ad in the same manner as these folks had, it would be all over the National Organization for Marriage’s blog about how “radical homosexuals are exploiting the innocence of children.

It sounds like you are saying an ad for voting against the amendment exists. Does it? I haven’t seen it if it does.

I haven’t shifted any goalpost. Look at my post #2 for my original question. What’s their problem with NC and MD?

Each of you keep coming up with reasons why the states like WA and NJ deserve to be participating in this project. But, not one of you has come up with a reason yet for why NC and MD, the only other two states that are currently in these marriage battles, were left out.