Judith Curry: Climate change: no consensus on consensus
Judith Curry is a climate scientist, who is sort of a ‘tweener’ in the scientific debate of whether or not human AGW are leading to catastrophic consequences. She’s criticized both sides, which has led to some of the more extreme members of both sides to say bad things about her.
I find her to be a breath of fresh air.
Just like you can’t understand the current state of anemic progressive and populist activism without understanding the “Veal Pen” (well, you could reasonably infer a “veal pen”, but that’s not the same as having proof of it), to understand how science can be so totally off, you also need to have knowledge of how science can get seriously distorted due to anthropological, sociological and career interests. To that end, I recommend reading “Not Even Wrong” and “The Trouble with Physics”. I also recommend learning about dissidence by qualified scientists in other fields. See, e.g., cosmology.info.
Curry has a recent meta type diary which is partly about the political aspect of the IPCC, but I found the more interesting part to be her characterization of the scientific problem domain of climate science, and the implications of this type of domain for accepting a consensus.
One of the memes I’ve seen repeated at MyFDL is that so-called “deniers” are trying to inject a degree of uncertainty into what Al Gore fantasizes is “settled science”, which shouldn’t be there. Insinuations of Exxon Mobil $$ or Koch Brother $$ are often floated as motivations for so-called “deniers” (which rhymes with Holocaust denier, don’t you know?) to bother pointing out uncertainties – not to mention false, baseless, and/or exaggerated climate catastrophism claims.
Judith Curry is arguing that the nature of climate science is far too ‘messy’ to rationally allow for any sort of scientific consensus to have any relevance.
Dutch social scientist Jeroen Van der Sluijs argues that the IPCC has adopted a ‘speaking consensus to power’ approach that sees uncertainty and dissent as problematic, and attempts to mediate these into a consensus. The ‘speaking consensus to power’ strategy acknowledges that available knowledge is inconclusive, and uses consensus as a proxy for truth through a negotiated interpretation of the inconclusive body of scientific evidence. The ‘consensus to power’ strategy reflects a specific vision of how politics deals with scientific uncertainties and endeavors to create a knowledge base for decision making following the linear model of expertise.
The linear model of expertise works well for ‘tame’ problems, where everyone essentially agrees on both the problem and the solution. Successes in managing tame problems are evident in the domains of engineering and regulatory science. Climate change has been framed by the UNFCCC/IPCC as a relatively ‘tame’ problem that requires a straightforward solution, namely the top-down creation of a global carbon market. However, climate change is arguably characterized better as a ‘wicked problem’ or a ‘mess’. ‘Messes’ and ‘wicked problems’ are characterized by multiple problem definitions, methods that are open to contention and solutions that are variable and disputed, and ‘unknown unknowns’ that suggest chronic conditions of ignorance and lack of capacity to imagine future eventualities of both the problem and the proposed solutions.
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Note: Curry makes an intriguing claim: “There are frameworks for decision making under deep uncertainty and ignorance that accept uncertainty and dissent as key elements of the decision making process.” but gives no details about these frameworks. If anybody finds a reference, please post it.



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The Greenhouse Gas molecules each has a specific physical refractory effect that causes an increase in temperature. The Greenhouse Effect was first documented in 1824, when Coal-burning had become prevalent.
That’s nice. Do you know the shape of the temperature vs. CO2 concentration curve? Do you have any idea where we are on this curve, on planet Earth?
If you don’t know the answer to those 2 questions, you almost certainly don’t know what the real scientific controversy regarding CO2′s ability to cook the planet earth, is.
It’s always dangerous, these climate change posts. I’ve defended metamars’ questions in the past. I believe the globe is warming without question, but at this point to get into numerical certainties is beyond dangerous and nearly impossible I believe also. This climate change controversy has always baffled me. There are near infinite other reasons to want to greatly, greatly reduce the use of fossil fuels outside of global warming…War incorporated being one of them. I have never understood why any political party would be opposed to alternative energy….oh wait, I answered my own question, War Incorporated.
Efforts by people who have bought the catastrophism kool-aid to develop alternative energy sources are certainly welcomed by me. I have made frequent mention of Eric Lerner’s promising fusion technology – the development of which is being hampered by underfunding* – in connection with climate posts here at MyFDL. There are many reasons to support alternative energy sources (IMO, particularly powerful or dense ones, that will not force people to give up modern life), but for climate catastrophists, there’s the imperative one of developing something that will seduce China and India away from their current fossil fuel consumption trajectory.
Or should be. How often do they mention the relative futility of their domestic crusades, in light of the international reality?
If you look at what happened in Australia, their families are getting socked by some carbon tax scheme that will do essentially nothing to affect world climate (even taking the climate models seriously). With all those millions, if not billions of dollars collected ostensibly to help the environment, why are guys like Eric Lerner still having to waste time and energy looking for cash??? I frankly don’t know the details of what the Aussie government is doing with their carbon boodle, but if their system of government is as dysfunctional as ours, I’m pretty sure that nothing will be used to rush the development of a source of energy powerful enough to replace petro-fueled power plants.
There are other options, e.g., look at this new article from Discover Magazine about “cold fusion”. (Discover Magazine says most likely some new nuclear process that doesn’t involve actual fusion. We found out when there was an explosion in a government lab studying cold fusion, that although this was supposed to be junk science, the US government was not treating it as such. There were reports of tritium production from some cold fusion research.)
What neither the US nor Aussie government does is announce any Manhattan style project that would publicly and rapidly develop powerful forms of alternative energy, for the public good. You’d think that the CO2 climate Cassandras would be forcing the issue, but (my take is) they’re either players or dupes. I mean, how can any CO2 catastrophist who can read a graph be so dumb as to ignore international trends in CO2 production?? Could these people possibly be so dumb as to think that the West playing good Boy Scouts will inspire China and India to ape us? Is their plan to simply hope for the best?
Is so, they’re complete and utter fools. They should be organizing crowd-funding of promising, dense alternative energy technologies. Relying on governments that are collectively controlled by corporations and other moneyed interests is beyond dumb. I’m not saying that we should give up on government playing a constructive role, forever, but relying on a systemically corrupt government to optimally allocate alternative energy funding is insane, under present conditions.
When my condition becomes less marginal (or more marginal, via couch surfing, but with commensurately more time available not having to earn rent :-( ) , I will try to help crowd funding efforts for Lerner – even though I’m not a CO2 catastrophist.
It’s also insane to wait around for climate catastrophists… Maybe because so many of them are too busy smearing honest scientists to even think of doing something constructive…
* I heard this from the lips of Lerner, himself, when he came to Newark, NJ a few months ago to support a “Jobs for All” portion of a march to City Hall.
I like your way of thinking. I have a huge problem with “Climate Control” because it seems to me, once enough people believe: “Climate Control is man-made,” then soon you are having the government enter into the discussion. “Cap and trade” policies as formulated by US government types always seem to penalize the poorest in any society.
Our government has made a mess of our economic policies, the wars we fight, and our tax code, etc. I really don’t want to know that I am going to be hung out to dry for driving the only vehicle I can afford while those who created disastrous policies of multiple wars are merrily sending their offspring off to college in Priuses.
Nobody anywhere in government seems willing to announce that the US military uses up over 60% of all domestic energy resources (and imported ones too.) Before I start walking ten miles to town, I want to know the military changes its ways, and pronto.
In fact, the only Big Shot politician I remember talking about the waste caused by the military was Eisenhower, when he made the speech about how every penny spent on aircraft carriers was a penny lost forever for schools or new roads. And that speech was made a long time ago.