I’ve been very critical of the Green Party in general, and Jill Stein’s campaign, in particular. You could say that the ‘main question’ I had about Stein’s campaign was the same that I put to Michael Cavlan which he then forwarded to Rocky Anderson – viz., “What are you doing to grow your party/movement the day after election day?” Cavlan was subsequently banned, and his diaries scrubbed (so far as I can tell), so I can’t dig up my exact verbiage. I was not impressed with Anderson’s answer (it sounded like canned political talking points), and was not impressed with Stein’s campaign, either, in terms of using it to grow her party, long-term.
I’ve mostly picked on Stein and the Greens, as exemplar 3rd party, because they did the best job in getting ballot access (except perhaps for the Libertarians, of whom I know next to nothing.) They therefore have more upside, which I preferred they not waste.
Links to my diaries:
Well, I’d like to report some good news about my concerns for how anemic activism is in the US. It turns out that there are other activists whose style of thinking, wrt activism and strategy, I can get really enthusiastic about. (Of course, this doesn’t mean I agree with everything; much less even the particular causes.)
I’m talking about Al Giordano, of narconews.com.
What has gotten me most recently enthused about Giordano is demonstrated in this post of his about “The School of Authentic Journalism”. From
By Al Giordano
Founder, School of Authentic Journalism
I learned that “being right is not enough” during my own experiences as, first, a community organizer and political prisoner and, later, as an investigative journalist in the commercial media, and, still later as an authentic journalist who has reported alongside many social movements. Protests do not, by themselves, change society, and neither does getting or providing “press coverage” for demonstrations, marches and “actions.” The mass media may sometimes pay more attention to that very limited set of tactics, but they have only been successful at their stated goals when part of a longer-term plan that mixes those tactics with grassroots organizing, training of participants, and direct communications both within its ranks and toward the greater public that do not depend on media attention to deliver a coherent message.
That’s why, at the School of Authentic Journalism, we invite professors who have actually organized successful movements to tell us how they did it and what they learned in the process.
Remember how, nine months ago, TIME magazine took all the organized resistances around the world, most notably the “Arab Spring,” lumped them in with every other protest on earth, and reduced it all to the cliché that 2011 was “The Year of the Protester”? By the following week, something else was on the cover of the magazine and social tumult was, for it, a fad of the past. Here at Narco News we are now in our twelfth year of reporting alongside authentic grassroots movements that continue year in, year out, that go through peaks and valleys, and seasons outside of the attention of the mass media spectacle. In our experience, those movements that do the careful planning and grassroots organizing and communication – and not the mere “protests” that seek media coverage – are the ones that more often achieve the historic changes they set out to make.
(emphasis mine)
As I was reading about this “school for authentic journalism”, I was wondering about putting this stuff on youtube, and it turns out that there is plans for some of that.
Also intriguing (and probably worth a separate diary), is that a co-sponsoring organization for the “School of authentic journalism”, the International Center on Nonviolent Conflict, is “shifting their own mission beginning in 2014 away from workshops, conferences and international meetings about civil resistance, and toward the creation of a global online platform that makes information and materials on the strategic dynamics of nonviolent conflict available to people all over the world“.
I’ve also been critical of political blogs (including FDL) for not evolving into activist platforms. (Yes, I KNOW that FDL facilitates activism, and am pleased to see that there is currently a blog invitation by Jane Hamsher for readers to participate in the Wal-Mart strike. However, from what I might call an ecology of activism perspective, FDL still does not rise to the level of an activist platform. Not even close. )



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I am sorry to be the one to tell you. NOBODY CARES.
From just an initial, brief look at the website, looks like these movements he’s talking about are in Mexico.
Thanks for posting.
No, take a look at “The 2013 Faculty and their Stories”. He’s got people from all over the world teaching. I’ve previously written a diary or two and quoted Giordano, wrt Occupy Wall Street.
Also, here’a a recent narconews article that I highly recommend:
The Strategy and Organizing Behind the Successful DREAM Act Movement
Undocumented Youth Have Shown that Ordinary People Build Extraordinary People Power, Even in the United States
Thank you. I’ll check these out.
I care. And, if you look at the growing comment thread, Frank, I think you’ll see that other people care as well.
Metamars, Thanks for posting this. It’s very thoughtful and informative. I checked out the link about the DREAM movement; it provided good information for activists. I do feel disappointment that OWS didn’t last longer or go further than it did. But I feel that the waning of OWS was inevitable, given its lack of structure. I’ve read up on the civil rights movement, and it’s clear that the organizations behind the civil rights movement were very structured and their protests were meticulously planned. Even the instigating action for the Montgomery bus boycott, Rosa Parks refusing to give up her seat, was planned thoroughly in advance although it was made to seem spontaneous. I do think that OWS had an impact by changing the national conversation and making income inequality and the 99% part of everyone’s awareness. But OWS was just the spark, not enough to create real, lasting change. That will depend on other, more focused, movements like the striking Walmart workers and the movement to forgive student loan debt, and more.
There are bunches of folks standing in front of Walmarts in support of a strike and consumer boycott who would be surprised at yet another obituary for Occupy Wall Street. Coalitions are that more organized movement people yearn for. And what they need right now are more folks out on picket lines. Or if in the NY-NJ area volunteering for Occupy Sandy. Or working on StrikeDebt and the RollingJubilee. Or out in the cold with the Overpass Light Brigades acros the country. And then there is the Lucha por 15 protests in the shopping areas of Michigan Avenue, including Water Tower Place demanding increase in retail pay from $8.25 to $15 an hour.
You’re welcome.
You’re welcome.
I think the status of OWS is hard to evaluate, since there’s still a lot of useful things you can do, and are being done, without a public gathering place. Meanwhile, most of us were aware of OWS via their very public presence.
I think those public gatherings absolutely need to be revived, but without the camping. Also, for the most part, without their consensus governing model.
In many technical areas (software and all kinds of engineering), you are forever dealing with tradeoffs. Giordano describes a cell-like type of activist organization (I think in Mexico), which is not completely top-down, but not completely bottom up, either.
Ideally, I think you need many different organization that have struck the right top/down-bottom/up balance, but who can easily cooperate (as well as civilly oppose each other, without getting personally offended or using that as an excuse not to cooperate, where possible; e.g., there is some grounds for cooperation between many Tea Party types and lefties, as has been observed in fighting against the Tar Sands pipeline).
I was not specific enough. Nobody cares about his previous crusades. Nobody cares about Cavlan. Nobody cares about anemic activism. Because the activism has bee amazing considering the government suppression directed at Freedom Fighter and antiwar activists. Metamars does not care about COINTELPRO since he never mentions it. He just attacks activists, calling them anemic.
People do care about fighting the One Percent, especially the lying Oil Companies. FDL has been a leader in fighting the One Percent. Metamars lies about the Oil Companies, he lies about science, and he lies about Firedoglake.
Metamars does not rise to the level of having any credibility, to criticize FDL or anyone else.
yup.
You are welcome to debate a person’s views but do not attack other posters on Firedoglake. -MyFDL Editor
I have a bachelors in physics and math, and have done graduate work in applied math, including dynamical system, numerical analysis, and probablity and statistics. Hence, it’s easier for me to sniff out bogus scientific claims than people with non-relevant backgrounds.
Just as relevant, I suppose, are my personal reading in what you might call ‘culturally’ dysfunctional science (The Trouble with Physics and Not Even Wrong). I’ve also been listening to Gary Null for years, and know about the orthodox BS’ers in the medical field. E.g., Frederick Stare, that Gary Null exposed years ago, who was paid to go around and call people who were into health eating “food faddists”. There were people who used to parrot the lie about “no evidence” for the efficacy of vitamins (I think Stare was one of those jerks). Null used to counter that by bringing large numbers of the hundreds if not thousands of scientific studies that said otherwise, to his lectures – and exposed the “official” liars for what they were.
You have as much useful things to say about climate science as you do about the Al Giordano.
You are welcome to debate a person’s views but do not attack other posters on Firedoglake. -MyFDL Editor
I intend to keep posting about climate change, pointing out the lies, distortions, and scientifically vacuous claims spouted by the CO2 catastrophists. Especially, I am looking to write diaries on the ‘disappeared’ medieval warming period, the fudging (and doubtful ‘adjusting’ of data by the catastrophists), the basis for the 97% consensus claim (not to mention exploring what the “consensus” entails), and perhaps about the blatant lies about “even worse than we predicted” meme. If I had time (almost certainly won’t), I’d contact large numbers of the smeared scientists and get them on the record about their so-called “denialism”. Hell, if I had time, I’d contact climate catastrophist scientists, and get them on the record about various matters, not least of which would be what exactly they mean by “denier”, if indeed they use that offensive language. I’d also ask them some fundamental questions, like “Do you believe that climate scientific claims should be falsifiable?” and “Should falsified claims made via a climate model be considered good cause to fix the model?”
Feel free to point out any lies I may post in any forthcoming climate diary – provided you provide a reference, so that we can have some confidence that you’re not merely making things up. That happened recently in a diary called “Obama Climate Change Commitment to be Tested Very Quickly”, which is not accessible, right now. A real-time lie about my source being the “Geraldo Rivera” of Germany was made, which Google helped me discover very easily.
After all, you may simply be a deluded tribalist, who just isn’t bright enough, nor have a favorable enough scientific background, to know when you’re being played. We can therefore focus some of our attention on your sources, and figure how, exactly, they are lying or distorting.
When I was in graduate school, I had the sad duty of trying to help an undergraduate in a remedial math course, who couldn’t get even simple problems. It occurred to me that he lacked the ability to process the idea of relative magnitudes. So I asked a simple question to see if he could grasp relative distance.
He couldn’t answer. I sincerely hope he found his way to a non-quantitative area where he might flourish. Engineering was not for him, and I really don’t think you have any business saying anything about climate science, giver your, ah, limitations.
You published a Post, and anyone can comment. You also insulted the website and actually you are dishonest talking about FDL. My comment was justified. Your lack of science is revealed by “vacuous claims spouted by the CO2 catastrophists”.
Scientists are not perfect and too many do war work such as Clifford Krowne of SpyFall. But there is a witch hunt against James Hansen and others. The witches are the Koch Brothers and Exxon and British Petroleum, your patrons. If James Hansen can fight the Koch brothers, then I should not allow your drivel to go unanswered.
You cannot defend your ridiculous defense of the One Percent as you deliberately trash the 99%.
Lie.
Lie.
A Big Lie, pulled out your nether regions. I’ve posted quite a bit on climate science claims, with tons of links. You can’t deal with reality.
Well, you told the truth, there! Congratulations! Of course, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Ah, OK, I have no idea who Krowne or SpyFall are, but perhaps that’s common knowledge.
Gee whiz, if critics of Hansen automatically qualify as witch hunters, then indeed there is a witch hunt against Hansen, as he has MANY, MANY critics. By such definitionalism, the so-called climate change deniers are victims of witch hunts, also. (Actually, there’s evidence of bona fidem, deliberate career sabotage by the climate catastrophists. So, this has some truth to it.)
The scientific problems with Hansen have to do with his {cough} {cough} scientific claims.
As I commented in this diary
Here’s Hansen on Al Gore’s masterpiece, An Inconvenient Truth:
HOWEVER, ….
It’s now illegal to show “An Inconvenient Truth” in Great Britain “schools” without passing out a document describing its numerous errors.
Real reliable, that Hansen! A real climate catastrophist gem!
Lie. Nobody has ever paid me a nickel to post anything.
Spoken like a true tribalist! You don’t care how many lies you tell, nor who you smear, nor if you even know what you’re talking about. Hansen (he of the wonderfully predictive climate models – NOT!) is in your tribe, and you will smear/lie/distort/hijack diaries/etc. as you see fit.
You’re a real piece of work!
Hansen’s former supervisor at NASA is not a fan, either:
Guess he got paid off by Exxon-Mobil, right?
Crowne is part of the Natalie Khawam company, FullProof LLC. Natalie is one of the Twins. Krowne is a Top Secret government scientist who works on negative indexes of refraction. Cloaking devices for instance.
Krowne’s daughter has a NGO, a charity and loaned Natalie $250,000. All these people and Generals and military contractors are war profiteers who are being exposed. Greatest scandal in American history and it is only the beginning.
Of course, the corporate fossil fuel terrorists are heating up the Earth’s atmosphere. That is a very large scandal. And libruls and Fat Al Gore are to blame, because they drive cars.
Q: How members of the left does it take to go fishing?
A: One hundred: one to hold the pole and 99 to find the right line.
In the immortal words of Rodney King: “Why can’t we all just get along?”
” Why can’t we all just get along?”
I’m going to say it’s because we’re all inherently flawed. ? If people could all just get along they wouldn’t consistently choose statistics over dead families. Famine over political policy. Deny medicine in the name of Freedom. Pretend drones aren’t hovering[on our dime] all over Communities.
We’re not designed to get along. We’re pretty fucking close to an evolutionary ” Recall notice”, if you want my opinion!
Obviously, because of the reasons and facts that Frank33 listed.