Al Gore/Bill Nye Climate 1010 is here
Anthony Watts experimental disconfirmation of Al Gore/Bill Nye Climate 101 is here
Recent MyFDL diary, on Climate 101, where my comments have been awaiting moderation for 2 days, here
First off, let me say that science – ethical science, that is – depends on reproducibility of experimental data. Trusting in authority figures is not acceptable. That is the realm of religion, not science. If you have any doubt about this notion, I suggest you take a trip to a nearby university physics department, and ask for a few minutes of scientists’ time (OK, you might want to avoid the string theorists, but that is a story for another time).
NOTE: IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THE ABOVE, I’D PREFER IT IF YOU DIDN’T BOTHER WRITING ANY COMMENTS TO THIS DIARY. I’M QUITE SURE THAT THERE WILL BE NO SHORTAGE OF RELIGIOUS TYPES OF CLIMATE DIARIES, WHO WOULD WELCOME POSTS EMBRACING A NAIVE, FAITH-BASED APPROACH TO CLIMATE. THERE ARE, IN FACT, MANY OTHER DIARIES WHERE YOU CAN INDULGE A PREFERENCE FOR PSEUDO-REALITY.
GO FOR IT! HAVE ALL THE FUN, YOU LIKE!! BUT DO SO IN THE LOGICAL PLAYGROUND
Indeed, there’s currently another diary at MyFDL, on Climate 101, where my two comments have been “in moderation” for over a day, and it’s obvious that I’m being suppressed. I’m sure additional fawning statements, adhering to the (ill defined) climate catastrophist faith, will be quite welcome, there.
For some experiments, the apparatus is so big, expensive, and/or hard to come by, that of necessity, a higher level of trust becomes necessary. For example, there’s a huge particle accelerator device, run by CERN, that recently nailed down the existence of the Higgs particle. Nobody expects that other experimental groups around the world must build something as large, and verify the Higgs in that manner. There’s a degree of replication obtained by having different groups do experiments on the LHC. I know that some of the experiments used to find the Higgs are quite different, looking at different decay pathways (“channels”). I suppose that this is a form of replication that’s actually even better than running exactly the same experiment, even if by a different group.
However, the exception proves the rule, and if there’s no particularly insuperable barrier to replication, replication is expected, and good scientists will tend to remain tentative in their public expressions of degree of certainty, until independent replication occurs.
Last year, Al Gore presented a Climate 101 video for his big, 24 hour climate shindig. Narrating it was the “Science Guy”, Bill Nye.
At 0:45 (45 seconds) into the video, Nye says, “If you want, you can replicate this effect yourself, in a simple lab experiment. Here’s how.” Please watch at least the next :30 seconds for Nye’s basic instructions. Starting at 1:09 (1 minute, 9 sec) Nye says that (after turning on the heat lamps) “Within minutes, you will see the temperature of the bottle with the carbon dioxide in it rising faster and higher”
Anthony Watts, founder of the wattsupwiththat.com, quickly found signs of fraud in the presentation. In particular, the picture of side-by-side thermometers were actually photoshopped images. Now, if these photoshopped images were accurate representations of real data from a real, carefully and honestly done experiment, then it’d probably be wiser to not make a stink about it. After all, Al Gore is a politician and businessman, and Nye is a media figure (who appears, judging by his wikipedia page, not to have been employed doing any serious science or engineering in quite a while). Both appear to sincerely believe in CO2 climate catastrophism. So, what’s the big deal about a little video fakery, as long as the science is accurate, right?
HOWEVER….More seriously, Watts has since tried to replicate the Nye-narrated experiment experiment (though more carefully and explicitly). This, of course, is quite appropriate, and consistent with general principles of what the word “science” traditionally meant.
Says Watts in Al Gore and Bill Nye FAIL at doing a simple CO2 experiment:
Bill Nye, in his narration at 0:48 in the video says:
You can replicate this effect yourself in a simple lab experiment, here’s how.
…and at 1:10 in the video Nye says:
Within minutes you will see the temperature of the bottle with the carbon dioxide in it rising faster and higher.
So, I decided to find out if that was true and if anyone could really replicate that claim, or if this was just more stagecraft chicanery. I was betting that nobody on Gore’s production team actually did this experiment, or if they did do it, it wasn’t successful, because otherwise, why would they have to fake the results in post production?
The split screen video at 1:17, a screencap of which is a few paragraphs above shows a temperature difference of 2°F. Since Mr. Gore provided no other data, I’ll use that as the standard to meet for a successful experiment.
Watts was obviously more careful in his methodology than what was apparent (which wasn’t all that much, in any case) in the Nye video. E.g. instead of just putting a CO2 tube into a jar, and loosely resting the cover on top of that (leaving a large gap, which allows CO2 to escape easily) Watt’s used a sealing ring, with a cutout for the CO2 tube. Watts also used instruments to measure CO2. (The accuracy of these instruments was +- 50 ppm, which, while not impressive, is small enough compared to the CO2 measurements that Watts made in the 2 glass jars.)
As you can see from Watt’s web page, using oral thermometers, there was no discernible difference in temperatures between the two jars. Repeating the experiment with digital thermometers, Watts found that the jar with regular air led the jar with added CO2, in both runs.
Watts then replicated the experiment using a NIST calibrated digital logging thermometer, which has a 0.1F resolution. Once again, the jar with air LED the temperature rise of the jar with added CO2 – contrary to what Nye claimed. At 18:04 into the experiment, the temperature of the air jar was 117.3F, while the temperature of the jar with CO2 was 116.7F.
Watts goes on to offer an explanation of the general results of both his and the Gore/Nye experiment. Basically, neither the Gore/Nye experiment (if it was actually done, which is highly doubtful, given the evident false result claimed, as well as the misleading photoshopped {cough}{cough} results), nor the Watts experiments, provide evidence for the Green House Gas effect*. This doesn’t mean that the Green House Gas effect doesn’t exist, or that CO2 is not a Greenhouse Gas. It simply means that Nye was making up crap about his “simple experiment” actually demonstrating the effect he claimed, and Al Gore was silly enough to show this video.
Well, actually, Gore’s not being silly, because as propaganda, it’s quite effective. For purposes of duping the public, one could even say it’s stellar.
Watts took care to emphasize (in an update):
I should make it clear that I’m not doubting that CO2 has a positive radiative heating effect in our atmosphere, due to LWIR re-radiation, that is well established by science. What I am saying is that Mr. Gore’s Climate Reality Project did a poor job of demonstrating an experiment, so poor in fact that they had to fabricate portions of the presentation, and that the experiment itself (if they actually did it, we can’t tell) would show a completely different physical mechanism than what actually occurs in our atmosphere.
No broader take away (other than the experiment was faked and fails) was intended, expressed or implied – Anthony
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The good news is that you don’t have to be a multi-millionaire like Gore do this experiment. You do need some $$ – more than I have to spare. However, you will hopefully be in good enough financial shape to decide, in the spirit of authentic and ethical science, whether or not Nye/Gore OR Watts OR both have conducted good experiments. Watts has kindly provided equiptment source information, and details on how to do the experiment.
Should you replicate this experiment, and find out that Watts has been dishonest, or else done a sloppy and inaccurate job, by all means post your results somewhere on the web, and then invite your friends and family to independently conduct the experiment, themselves.
If you find out that, on balance, it is Watts that is the fraudster (and not Gore and Nye), please do the world a favor by making this widely known. The internet is good for that sort of thing…..
* turning off the heat lamps, Watts showed that the jar with added CO2 cooled more slowly than the jar with just air. So, maybe this can be construed as GHG evidence. Regardless, the Nye propaganda film’s central claim had to do with the rate of temperature increase during the illuminated phase.



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Recommended because there is just so much Stupid. And so much Science Stupid. But the most Stupid is to claim Fat Al Gore and Bll Nye the Science Guy are Fraudsters. The Koch Brothers are the real fraudsters. The Koch Roach brothers and their little camp folllower roaches are waging war against science and scientists.
But your Teabagger Science is world class stupid also. You made a funny joke about “String Theorists”. Ha Ha. That is cute. Then you explain how the Higgs Bosons are related to Climate Science. Very Stupid.
You previously called the proof of Fermat’s Last Theorem, “flawed”, to compare it to climate science, which was also stupid. The FLT proven by Andrew Wiles, was not flawed.
You know so little about science, that I wonder if you are John Derbyshire.
Ah! Supressing dissent. How scientific.
Yes, that’s why this long nonsense filled piece of drivel is allowed to be posted. Because your’e being suppressed.
and you’re being suppressed because they are in on the conspiracy, and no doubt are making money from doing that, while you bravely labour away trying to enlighten all of us.
Every time your rambling, disjointed nonsense is permitted to be posted here,
The proprietors of this site lose respect and credibility.
Your twisty mind warped what I wrote about Fermat’s Last Theorem. I saw a documentary on how Fermat’s Last Theorem was finally solved, and Wiles’ INITIAL proof was indeed flawed. Nobody ever said that he didn’t, eventually, fix the proof (with help, I might add).
You’re so desperate to say something negative, you just riff off your own misapprehensions, whipping up an even bigger stew of confusion.
I not only have a degree in mathematics, I took, and passed, a course in number theory. That required a degree of mental clarity, on my part.
(Sadly, my own attempts to prove FLT theorem failed, though that was true of everybody else, also, until Wiles came along.)
Your inability to process my simple English writing doesn’t bode well for your chances of figuring out which parts of climate science are reliable, and which are, as R.P. Feynman might say, “Cargo Cult Science”.
Barrie Zwicker has talked about going up the abstraction ladder as a technique of propaganda.
It was crystal clear, from my writing, what I meant by my being suppressed.
Your not-so-brilliant comment involves going up the abstraction ladder, wherein “suppressed comments within the misleading Climate 101 diary by Eliot” somehow gets morphed into “suppressed from posting your own diaries”.
I don’t think you are really a reliable source of judging when somebody has posted “rambling, disjointed nonsense”, ya know?
Your mental mishmosh is rather transparent, but I guess you couldn’t resist the temptation to spam this diary with negativity. Let me go out on a limb, and say that you will never attempt to do the ‘Climate 101′ experiment. Doing something useful and enlightening just ain’t your thing.
Well… I’m convinced. Not sure of what, but this diary is VERY convincing. It was the CAPITAL letters and BOLD font that convinced me, by the way.
Not really. Your perpetual confusion has again led you down the wrong path. Again.
Having said that, I was amused by Derbyshire’s comment
I recently had some exchanges with people who, if not working (for pay) the other side of the fence, nevertheless seem to have an awfully high motivation to make bullying, dumb remarks in favor of “Big Coal, Big Oil”. Not sure if they are more afraid of people pointing to real problems with fossil fuels, or (more likely, I at least hope) they are afraid of people talking about powerful alternatives to oil, coal, and gas, that are lurking over the horizon.
In particular, some guy named “Zeke” dismissed a peer reviewed reference that I easily dug up, suggesting that anthropogenic mercury pollution amounted to 4x natural sources, since we started burning coal and oil. My source, you see, was just an “opinion”, while his source published a non-peer reviewed article in a business magazine (with no suggestion that he had reviewed the literature), which led him to claim anthropogenic mercury was only 0.5%, was (presumably) fact.
That thread also contained this intriguing, if unsourced, comment:
(emphasis mine)
More on LENR’s, here.
Shorter metamars: “If you disagree with me, don’t bother commenting because I’m not interested in anything that refutes my ideology or that of my hero, Alex Jones. And Fema Camps! Illuminati! And Al Gore is fat and Bill Nye’s eyebrows are creepy!”
Oh yeah and this post is a perfect example of why we need a “flag this post as stupid” button.
Your comment is a lie. When I wrote, in the SECOND PARAGRAPH
“THE ABOVE” obviously referred to the FIRST PARAGRAPH. Let’s take a trip down memory lane, and review that FIRST PARAGRAPH.
Your comments, evading the central claim of this diary (remember what that is? That Nye and Gore have made a fraudulent video, proving nothing about the Green House Gas properites of CO2) deserve a “flag this post as an attempt to derail” button.
However, swell guy that I am, I’m going to give you (and the other spammers) a chance to like “TOTALLY redeem yourself!” Well, not really “TOTALLY”.
I’d like to know your opinion of the Zeke guy, in the WhatsUpWithThat thread, that I linked to. In particular, do you think he’s more concerned about people considering oil/coal/gas to have serious pollution problems? Or do you think he’s more concerned about people seriously discussing Eric Lerner’s Focus Fusion and LENR’s (so-called “cold fusion”). Which, if successfully developed, would eventually knock out most of the market for oil/coal/and gas.
Recall that some projections for LENR’s expect costs to be 1/4 of coal.
If anybody is curious as to why I’d ask these additional questions, you can grok some clues from my not-so-famous diary Call for investigation of Left HATEKeepers (and Right HATEKeepers, too)
ROTFLMAO! I didn’t come here to debate you as debating ideologues is foolish and pointless. Just like a young Earth creationist, no amount of data is going to persuade you that your position is absurd. No metamars, I’m only here to mock you.
Well, mocked me you have. With all the authority, rationality, and legitimacy that I’ve come to expect from you.
Now that we’ve got that out of the way, why not answer my Zeke question? You or any other of the spammers/mockers? Surely you can offer some criticism of Zeke, that rises to the level of your criticism of me, can’t you?
I have no opinions to offer about your straw man metamars. It’s as pointless as wasting time debating your ideology, which is just as ridiculous as debating the absurd notion of “cold fusion” since “Low Energy Nuclear Reactions” is an oxymoron. Cold fusion is like astrology and palm reading….or denying anthropogenic climate change. In your post you say that science must be reproducible and that’s true, (though you’ve changed the parameters of Nye’s experiment in order to get the result you wish, rather than reproducing it), but predictability and peer review are also required for something to be science and the folks that are wasting money in LENR haven’t published any peer reviewed papers, nor have they met the requirement of fulfilling any of their predictions. Returning to the issue of reproducibility, as it turned out, the results of the Fleischmann–Pons experiment have never been reproduced….for 24 or 25 years. Cold fusion is junk and has been debunked over and over so it matters not at all what I think of “the Zeke guy”, in this context because again, I would be debating about bullshit.
1) As Margaret’s already noted, you’ve played “Let’s Move the Goalposts!” rather than “replicate” the Climate 101 experiment.
2) Geez, citing Anthony Watts again? Watts is such a chickenshit that he uses Bizarro World claims of copyright infringement to try to cover up his boo-boos when caught.
Here’s the video Anthony Watts is so afraid you’ll all see. Enjoy!
Wrong. Close to half of papers (291/625) evaluated in a subset of the Britz study that were from peer-reviewed journals and “collection 6 ICCF-4″ papers had a positive result. (I’m not sure how many ICCF-4 papers are meant. Perhaps this should read “collection of 6 ICCF-4 papers”)
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJtallyofcol.pdf
Also, the author of the above review examined
Thank you for posting that PW. Seems like Mr. watt has fallen into the trap of not knowing the difference between weather and climate. A TV weatherman? Seriously metamars? This is what you’re basing your argument on? It’s even worse than I thought.
To illustrate the absurdity of “cold fusion”, it’s necessary to identify how electricity is generated. Let’s go ahead an pretend for a moment that “cold fusion” is quackery instead of science. Even if there was such a thing as “low energy nuclear reactions”, what good is it? Nuclear fission or combustion of fossil fuels are used to produce electricity by boiling water to run generators. Should fusion ever overcome it’s technical hurdles, it will also be used to produce heat to boil water. Now, how is it going to be possible to boil water to run generators with room temperature fusion? I mean, granted it would go a long way toward solving the looming helium shortage but as far as producing electricity, “low energy nuclear reactions” would be just that: Low energy. Too low to boil water in our atmosphere.
BTW, that pdf you linked to supports the fact that cold fusion has been debunked and abandoned or how else do you explain the lack of interest in the subject since the mid 1990s? No doubt more FEMA Camps and Illuminati are involved.
See! Everyone is having a good old time just firing away, flaming with science. But I may have made a mistake introducing Derbyshire. Metmars quotes the semi-disgraced Derbyshire. He got fired from National Review for being too racist for the racist National Review.
Your main problem is you cannot even explain your bogus Koch Roach Science. You therefore cannot even be expected to explain genuine science. And you keep failing at that.
But this is a golden age of science, because of great discoveries. It is also a golden age, because the threats from epic villains against science and truth, has never been greater. Galileo and Descartes and Darwin had to fight against superstitious religious persecution. Now, Scientists have the chance to fight against the modern superstitions and toxic poisons of corporatism.
Unfortunately for your 2009 crock of the weeker, Watts, et. al. this past summer have posted the (draft) results of a 5 year study which examined temperature siting issues in the US, with (IIRC) 5 different grades of data. Your crock of the week video talks about 2 grades of sites(data), and not that many of them.
Watts et. al. most certainly did find significant data corruption due to siting. Indeed, given the reality of the urban heat island effect, there had to be some corruption – the real question is how much.
You can see the graph that provided Watts with his “aha” moment, at 40:00 minutes into this presentation. This clear indication of an urban heat island effect set Watts on the path of being a so-called “climate change denier”. You know, the kind of person that neither denies that the climate changes, nor that CO2 is a green house gas, but gets called a “climate change denier” for reasons that are too secretive for the climate change denier smear merchants to share with the rest of humanity.
Your crock of the weeker guy works the “denial” meme, and pretends that Watts doesn’t know that temperatures increased in the late 20th century, but I’d be shocked if he ever bothered defining what a climate change denier is. That would lead to the public catching on as to the true nature of the scientific debate, and that’s something that the CO2 climate catastrophists avoid.
Gee, whiz, why don’t you tell us HOW to precisely duplicate the Nye “experiment”? Anybody with a brain can see that Watts went to meticulous detail describing how to reproduce what he did, exactly. Furthermore, I see no way out from concluding that Nye never did any experiment, at all. So what goal posts are you and Margaret fantasizing about? Are you upset because Watts didn’t use photoshopped thermometers to give the impression that a physical result, which can’t be obtained in the real world, did indeed happen?
Tell you what, get precise instructions from Nye on how to reproduce his {cough}{cough} “experiment”, and I’ll donate $20 to FDL. Actually carry out the experiment, video it, and put it on youtube, and I’ll donate another $30. While not a lot of money for FDL, imagine how grateful Nye and Al Gore would be, if you could make their Climate 101 scam go away. Well, OK, it wouldn’t be a scam, in this case, but then you could turn around and say that Watts carried out a scam, and metamars just soaked it up.
Oh, yeah, let’s not forget that Al Gore is the guy whose “Inconvenient Truth” can’t be shown in British public schools without a 77 page document accompanying it, point out its various errors. Court order, you know.
I don’t think Al Gore was cut out to be a scientist, or even to pretend that he can represent scientists fairly. I wonder how much he gave Nye to spew BS in his stead?
Thanks for the laugh. While Stirling engines don’t require steam, I’d be quite dissapointed if cold fusion / LENR’s never developed to the point of creating steam, reliably. In this case, I doubt commercialization would ever make a lick of sense, even if coupled to a Stirling engine.
Failure is always an option, and I have expressed support for small hot fusion (Eric Lerner/Focus Fusion) as well as the big hot fusion projects.
Uh, Margaret… pretty much not :)
This breaks down into two parts… research that’s been called “LENR” by some (often not by the researchers themselves) and the mistaken idea that all fusion power requires steam turbines.
There are some actual ongoing experiments that have been labeled as “LENR” by cold fusion diehards that might, maybe, perhaps see if something’s going on after all… or not.
Note: I’m not placing any “LENR” bets myself.
But various projects are proceeding using normal research guidelines… and while they’ve not had much to report so far it isn’t hurting anything to look at some phenomena that have been observed.
And low-energy nuclear reactions do occur all of the time… just not often enough or densely packed enough to generate net energy so far.
And why research anything like that at all? Well, if something does turn up along those line then a clean and sustainable source of what’s classifiabl as “low grade” steam heat that would be still be a game changer in terms of industrial process heat and sources of distributed grid power.
Industrial process heat is a major portion of our total energy demand and even low-grade steam can help electrically power a house… even the air-conditioning :)
As for “hot” fusion and steam turbines?
Well, while the neutronic fusion projects such as ITER, NIF and the smaller neutronic startups such as General Fusion and Helion would have to use steam and turbines…. other projects, indeed the hottest fusion projects currently underway, those that use aneutronic fuels, won’t need turbines at all.
The bulk of an aneutronic fusion reaction’s energy comes out as charged particles… alpha particles and x-rays which are basically electricity waiting to be converted and tapped. No new physics needed.
No expansive water and steam plumbing. No expensive steam turbines. Power at vastly reduced cost. (Our owners wouldn’t like that at all.)
I’ll have a diary on this sort of thing up tomorrow. Really, this time :)
Cold fusion is bullshit and a diary isn’t going to change that fact or my opinion of it. But this comment misses the larger point of this post which is that denying anthropogenic climate change is equally bullshit.
Why should anybody care about your opinion of cold fusion, unless you can offer some reasonable justification of it? Since you falsely wrote,
why should anybody expect that you’re either capable or willing to justify your opinion of cold fusion?
Here, you merely amplify your level of confusion. I’ve already pointed out to you, in other diaries, that “climate change deniers” don’t deny climate change, and furthermore, that most of the people so smeared don’t deny that CO2 is a green house gas, and contributes to a warmer climate.
This diary is centered around an experiment done by Anthony Watts, who I quoted as saying:
(emphasis mine)
See the part that I bolded? He’s talking about the CO2 green house gas effect.
Am looking forward to your diary.
Also, I’m curious as to what sort of minimum temperature difference a ‘home LENR’ would need, to be practical.
One of the references to LENR’s that I skimmed over, yesterday, said that you can construct a Stirling Engine that will run off 1/2 of 1 deg Celsius temperature difference. That’s probably enough energy to tickle the right or left antennae of an ant, but not much more….
………. errrrr………….
I’m not going to write a diary on cold fusion.
I’m not going to write a diary on the wide variety of cold fusion kitsch and outright scams that the CF diehards want to mislabel as “LENR.”
And I’m not going to write a diary on actual LENR research unless something turns up… i.e. something peer-reviewed in a journal with noticeable impact.
But while metamars does spew massive amounts of self-destructive bullshit with regards to climate change… that’s not much of a reason to let ancillary misunderstandings go uncorrected.
And thus I write this:
And thus I write this:
“Just the facts, Ma’am” :)
‘Zat so? Hey, perhaps you have the quality of mind that can even define “climate change denier” in a non-doublethink way.
If you can scale that molehill, we might be able to have a serious discussion about what the real scientific controversy is, whether the climate modellers suffer from omitted variable fraud, the extent of the medieval warming period, etc., etc.
ETA: Do tell us what you think about the ‘Climate 101′ “experiment”, won’t you? Is it BS, or not? If not, what specifics do you recommend so that we can reproduce Nye’s claimed effect where temperature rise of the CO2 added jar exceeds that of regular air?
thanks for these posts metamars. I’m not sure what I think of all of it, but I do know it’s an incredibly difficult process….measuring climate change and also predicting it. I’m not sure what you were stating about urban heat islands, but that’s a pure fact that the urbanization of the world has lead to warming. You take away vegetation you warm. People don’t know how difficult and inexact this is determining the influence of all factors involved in this. It is a shame how political it’s become. Researching and developing alternative energy sources should be a no-brainer slam dunk for the entire nation regardless of this issue.
Agreed. I’ve cast aspersions on the character of some climate scientists, like Michael Mann, but I never said the problem was easy. It most assuredly is not.
The urban heat island effect is, of course, an example of an anthropogenic effect on temperature.
Ha! You’re not kidding! As you can see from the wattsupwiththat thread that I participated in, you have right wingers that are just as bullying and irrational as the lefties with similar, ah, problems.
In terms of morality, it’s not so much the first world’s level of development that’s the main issue. Rather, it’s the third world, where there’s so much misery and poverty. In the near term future, giving them access to cheap energy means carbon-based energy. However, drilling at the bottom of oceans, at absurd pressures, and trying to pipe tar sands goo clear across the US should tell us something about the future of fossil fuels.
The tribalism exhibited by both lefties and righties, even when they give lip service to some higher ideal, sabotages those avowed ideals. I have trouble respecting such people, at any level. You talk about politics, but that implies a higher level of awareness of what the truth is, but a lower level of duplicitous lack of morality.
Neither the stupid, gullible tribalists, nor the shrewder manipulators and polticians, have much to recommend them. Meanwhile, people suffer, and even in the 1st world, we do not adequately prepare for inevitable climatic events, which would come whether or not we produced any CO2, at all.
At it’s worst, we may suffer a Carrington Event level coronal mass ejection, which fries our power grid. The immense suffering that that would cause – with nuclear plants dependent an an intact grid eventually melting down – would make climate change ‘debates’ the least of our worries.
The opportunity cost for the tribalists and politicians to ply their dysfunction and lack of morality, for society as a whole, may result in a “lesson” that kills us. Nietzsche said that “That which does not kill us makes us stronger.” but the preparation opportunity cost of climate hysteria preoccupation may preclude us ever getting stronger.
I find this diary overwhelmingly irritating.
If I may leave the political aspects of climate change and personal sniping aside for a moment and focus on the actual experiment:
The greenhouse effect is so named because unheated greenhouses will become significantly warmer than the atmosphere outside. This warming occurs because the glass or plastic of the greenhouse is more transparent to shortwave IR than to longwave IR and visible light. When the shorter wavelength light enters the greenhouse, much of it is absorbed by the contents of the greenhouse (plants, benches, concrete, etc), which warms up and re-radiates energy at longer wavelengths that are blocked by the greenhouse glass.
My question then is: what are the bottles that were used in the experiment made of? If the visually transparent bottles are strongly opaque to longwave IR, then the resulting greenhouse effect from the bottles themselves might overwhelm the expected effect from the CO2.
I don’t have quantitative data on this immediately at hand, but I can tell you that low-density polyethylene is relatively transparent to thermal IR, while many other common plastics are not.
They are heat engines. As are all of the steam powered engines.
Sterling engines are a crock, because they contain too many moving parts.
All are governed by the second law of thermodynamics.
Srsly? A part-time professional climate change denialist and full-time nutjob fails to reproduce a scientific experiment in his shag-carpeted basement and we are forced to reassess the entire conclusive results of decades of peer-reviewed observations by accredited climatologists?
Your naive, faith-based approach to climate change, and to science itself, is the very essence of denial pseudo-reality. Your sanity is in question.