Read it and weep. From The Execution of Christopher Dorner
But for those of us listening to the San Bernardino Sheriff’s Department radio frequency, there was little question what had occurred. Nearly a half hour prior, officers had referred to “going ahead with the plan with the burner,” with another adding that the plan was to “back the Bear down and deploy the burner through the turret.” (Live audio during the preceding shootout seems to confirm this intention). Soon, the message was straightforward and expected: “Seven burners have deployed and we have a fire.” No surprised tones, no suggestion that the fire be extinguished.
In fact, there was the exact opposite: a female voice on the scanner repeatedly asks if the fire crews should be allowed to approach, and is told that it’s not time yet, that we need to wait until all four corners are engulfed, then that we need to wait until the roof collapses. At one particularly repulsive point, those on the scene realize that the house has a basement, and an authoritative male voice indicates that the fire crew would not be called until the fire had “burned through the basement.” They were going to let him die.



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I’m seeing more and more diaries at myfdl that sound like there are wanna be tabloid writers.
It’s a shame. And, an irony.
Metamars has a brand new conspiracy theory. Old conspiracies, new conspiracies, Metamars remains consistently irrelevant.
Maybe so but what he says here would not surprise me in the least.
This diary consists of exactly 1 title by me, 2 sentences by me, and a bunch of text from Counterpunch, which I quoted, verbatim. Shall we assume that you dismiss Counterpunch as a tabloid? Or just the quoted author? Or just this particular Counterpunch article?
Frank33 is the author of the following, confused, vile, verbal vomit:
This nuts manifesto was very similar to the nut that terrorized Norway. They could have been twins. I like the fact that over there they spent most of the time debating his sanity rather than his manifesto.
If Anders Behring Breivik committed his far greater carnage in the US would he die despite trying to surrender with copy cats galore
He said, she said etc.
Recordings are posted where exactly?
As usual inflammatory posing with no evidence.
Did the thought even occur to you that, by clicking the link I provided, and searching for the text I quoted, you could find the recording link all by yourself?
Recommended! Thanks for bringing attention to this article, metamars. Although, so far, it looks like folks are simply criticizing you without critically reading the article you’ve linked to.
Something I posted as Comment @79 on HotFlashCarol’s post from yesterday in response to reading the Counterpunch article:
The only thing I find “post-racial” about Obama’s America is that Obama himself is “post-racial”, in the sense that he’s either forgotten or never known what it’s like to be a black man (or woman or child) at the mercy of Americans with legal guns.
The other is the last sentence:
This one is self-explanatory. And chilling.
Report from Max Blumenthal who said he listened to the police scanner in realtime.
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/how-law-enforcement-and-media-covered-plan-burn-christopher-dorner-alive?paging=off
Following the story a bit yesterday afternoon, my own thought was the situation was not going to continue without a definite resolution one way or the other past dusk. Law enforcement was not going to allow cover of darkness to become a factor.
Speculating about motives in anyone’s camp is beyond my knowledge.
You’re welcome.
I understand that Dorner going rogue has to do with race. However, I doubt his incineration had any more to do with race than did the murder, by the US government, of the Branch Davidians at Waco.
Well, I could be wrong, because while “dead men tell no tales”, be they black or white, the tales that Dorner would bring attention to are not just those of police brutality, but also police racial profiling. That might embarass not just LAPD, but Obama, who has done very little for black Americans, but gotten lots of support and shut mouths from them, for his non-efforts. A national dialog on race might actually force him to remember his black constituents’ needs, and that might derail his plutocratic mission.
One big take-away for me is that, while it was Federal agents that murdered the Branch Davidians, in this case we seem to have local militarized law enforcement doing the dirty deeds. I wonder if we’ll ever find out who owned the “burners”.
BTW, I think I read that an armored personnel carrier was used to knock down a wall of the house. IOW, law enforcement/murderers could have gotten as close to Dorner as they wanted, tossed in a percussion grenade, and taken him alive. And what of all the zillions of dollars spent on non-lethal weaponry by the Pentagon? It’s OK to have LRAD and God knows what else pointed at harmless Occupiers, but not use it for a dangerous marksman like Dorner?
America continues to swirl down the fascist toilet……
Thanks, Marym. That confirms what we were seeing on the twitter feed #dorner last night.
A cop yelling “burn the motherfucker” makes it hard to come to any conclusion other than he meant to burn the motherfucker.
On the other hand, I do find myself unable to speculate what was “sweet” about two deputies getting shot (one fatally) and a former cop being burned to a crisp (whether he was dead or alive). But LAPD Chief Beck said it was a “bittersweet night.” So something good must have happened.
Carter Evan of CBS, who was reporting live last night from close to the cabin and seems to be the most credible voice to me at this point, was saying he saw the walls burning and then the roof burning and falling, which is in contradiction to what the police are now saying about knocking down the walls before the fire.
I think two things were happening:
1. The police wanted vengeance for a cop who was reporting corruption, racism, brutality, etc.
2. They wanted no chance he’d get on a witness stand.
Again, thanks for your diary.
The US could certainly use a long overdue conversation (curtailing) of the brutality, corruption, racism and increasing militarization of our police forces.
We talk about mentally unstable people with access to assault rifles. Where’s the conversation about our rogue police forces? We could start with LAPD, Oakland and New York City if we were to help some of the most brutalized at their hands.
My assumption was that Beck meant the bitter part was that the deputies got hit, one dying and the sweet part was that Dorner was killed.
Over the past week, Beck and several other cops told Dorner to turn himself in. Even the reward specified that it was for information leading to Dorner’s “arrest and conviction. But Dorner said he expected to die, making it unlikely that he’d suddenly decide to turn himself in and face multiple capital murder charges and the death penalty. I think the manhunt ended even better than they had anticipated, with a cleansing fire to get rid of any pesky evidence.
Yeah, I was being sarcastic. I bet he wouldn’t own up to that and I bet he would choose another word in hindsight. Or maybe not.
I thought it might have been sarcasm so I read it a few times, but then wasn’t sure. As I get to know your style better, I’ll take it under advisement for future comments.
Eyeballs still rolling themselves out of control over them finding an intact wallet and license in the burnt out cabin.
When in doubt, and the subject is the pigs, assume I am being sarcastic at the very least. :)
As you mentioned above, LA, NY and Oakland police departments have long since lost any right to expect the benefit of the doubt. And now that we have militarized these gangs with the kind of weapons that metamars mentioned, they seem to feel less accountable to us than ever.
As much as I enjoy being quoted, this is the 4th time you have repeated this. It makes me wonder. Did I hurt your feelings? That is the risk you take when you accuse the 98% of climate scientists of falsifying data and conspiring in the greatest fraud in history.
As for this Post, it is merely inflammatory and unbalanced.
Now we’re beginning to hear the spin about “burners.”
This article also confirms that the man whose truck was taken by Dorner did not feel panicked because he didn’t feel Dorner would hurt him (and he was right). Dorner also tied up the two maids who surprised him at the cabin rather than killing them. So Dorner chose not to kill three witnesses who eventually led police to him. On the other hand, police shot at three innocent people and have now burned down a cabin with an as yet unidentified person inside (their charazterization, not mine). Civilians were correct to be more frightened of the police in this manhunt than the supposedly “crazed” Dorner, who at least seemed to be clear about who he was shooting at.
Fire, what fire? There was a fire?
This was a response to @22.
That’s not only a lie, it seems like an awfully ignorant lie. There are 3 main methodologies (if that’s the right word) of science – theory, experiment, and simulation. The computer models presumably fall mostly under the (computer) simulation rubric.
The idea that 98% of climate scientists would even be involved with taking or massaging data, as data sets for other researchers to use, is, on it’s face, ridiculous. That would leave all of 2% to do the modelling and analysis. I don’t know, for sure, but this seems preposterously unlikely. At my university, the physics department seemed about evenly split between theory and experiment.
There was a recent article at WUWT, called Global Warming Stalled?, on various temperature data sets, showing both periods of “flat” growth, as well as periods of no statistically significant growth.
Don’t you ever get tired of lying and smearing? Apparently not.
Here is a nice summary of data, analysis, and presentation fudging by climate catastrophists. I’m pretty sure that nowhere does it say that 98% of climate scientists are fudging.
I’d like to read about things Dorner in this post and keep the climate related discussion to a different post.
Given Frank33′s initial comment to this post, I’d prefer to see him diffused or ignored rather than engaged.
I agree. Thank you for suggesting separating these discussions.
Thanks for this diary. The cops are such jerks: “oh, a new vehicle will satisfy the minimum-wage earning women we barraged with bullets” but “burn baby burn”ed the guy who dared to seek justice. Killers, that’s what they are.
OK, no more comments to Frank33. I’ve created another diary on climate, that should be appearing shortly.
Thank you for your responsiveness. It makes it so much easier to participate in a diary that I feel is vital to our well being.
I’ll agree with you about ‘tabloid writing’ here, Demi, if what you mean is a quick hit with no context, designed to be emotional, etc. ‘
‘Tabloid’ is also the paper format of a newspaper, as in ‘reads like a book in lap-sized format’. Hell, the rigidly conservative Rocky Mountain News took the format a few years before ‘merging’ with the Denver Post.
I did check with both USA today and the National Enquirer, by the by, and they were more concerned with the list of Grammy Awards celebs that *might be* in some jeopardy by…the big scary armed Black Guy.
Metamars should know by now that readers here don’t read links (and for cripessake, links *within links*) unless they are begged to, but synopsize parts of what is at the links. Spoon feeding, as it were.
Some of his detractors here may be simply because he embodies certain heterodox thought, so to speak, (never mind what characterizations I might give most of his writing).
So I fault this post for that. I have zero idea if he’s been following the twists and turns of this story (as has hotflashcarol and a few reader/commenters), so I haven’t a clue *why* he chose this great, imo, Counterpunch piece by some exceptional *and biased through their knowledge, experience, and resulting predilection*), to shorthand this in two graphs from the piece.
But, having said that, if *you*, demi, and RichardKane, whomever else, haven’t followed the story, read the crap MSM reporting by the self-kettled stenographers who’ve parroted even the silliest LAPD ‘offishulls’ self-contracting scenarios presented and goofy facts…then I don’t think you really get to have any righteous opinions on the matter.
If you haven’t kept up with the fact that LA and Oakland’s police forces are the most vicious, racist, and militarized forces in the US, it may lead to your believing their versions of the story, not to mention Dorner’s firing. If you don’t know what most large metro police did to OWS encampments and other dissident civil disobedience participants, maybe you’ll be more sanguine about this as well.
One doesn’t have to believe Dorner was either a folk hero or a whack-job with PTSD to understand that the police may have killed him, imo. There are a number of recordings now of what the police said before the cabin went up in flames.
No, none of that. Just what I said.
Thanks.
No problem. Regarding “vital to our well being”, though, well….
Just today I sent an email to an associate of prn.fm, asking that they consider taking on a new host. I believe they have 80 or so, which is not a problem since the web allows for on-demand playback, so you don’t need everybody to have a live show.
The host I requested was Brandon Turbeville, who understands very well the futility of just talking and educating. Educating is important, but by itself it changes nothing. My sense is that almost all of the hosts at prn.fm don’t think like organizers, they think like communicators and educators. Maybe a dose of Brandon would shift them in the right direction.
Anyway, that’s the last from me about Brandon in this thread, as it’s also mostly off-topic.
But, having said that, if *you*, demi, and RichardKane, whomever else, haven’t followed the story, read the crap MSM reporting by the self-kettled stenographers who’ve parroted even the silliest LAPD ‘offishulls’ self-contracting scenarios presented and goofy facts…then I don’t think you really get to have any righteous opinions on the matter.
Wow. I don’t have and haven’t expressed any righteous opinions on the matter, but thanks for your response, Wendy.
I’ll contemplate.
Oh, and I forgot to say I was commenting on the tabloid type diaries that I’m seeing published here.
I was probably OT, and I apologize for that.
The police would prefer to keep this in the realm of a tabloid story: Big Scary Crazy Black Cop Killer On the Loose! Heroic Police Officers Save the Day!
Fortunately for the rest of us, a large number of citizen journalists and even a few MSM reporters have recognized that there is a great deal more to this story and that it is a microcosm of what’s wrong in a lot of places in America.
Can you give us an example of the tabloid-type diaries you were talking about?
Thank you for posting the link to the Counterpunch article.
I listened to the TV report on Hotflash Carol’s link last night, and the police story coming out later about pushing the walls in was nothing like the reporter was describing – which was that the cabin was burning up, and the firemen were being held back on purpose.
The cops burned him up on purpose.
I do consider this topic vital to our well-being as I consider it crucially important to understand what the police and their complicit media are creating in the way of a difficult climate for us to live in.
How is what he said in the past relevant to this post, no matter how many good points he made about you? That’ s the question you should answer — or evade answering. Because it has a direct bearing on all of your future posts.
I was wondering the same thing as I took demi’s original comment on this diary as a criticism of this diary.
Well, maybe it’s just the way folks title their diaries.
And, I don’t really feel comfortable pointing fingers, but to name one,
Another Repuke Freak please help.
Really, it was just a comment of something I thought I saw and it was probably ill-conceived.
Well, by “tabloid”, I had assumed you were saying that neither the title nor the substantiation of the title of this particular diary had any validity. E.g., although I don’t see it much, nowadays, there was a period when, every week, the drug store tabloid would say that Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie were breaking up. After a while, it becomes a joke. There’s no need to even read the article which would ‘justify’ the headline. Even if it contains some facts, there is sure to be something awry that precludes it being trustworthy.
I consider Counterpunch generally credible, and furthermore, the claim of the title of this diary seems well backed by the content of the 2 paragraphs I quoted.
I saw no need to editorialize, though other folks are free to add their own editorializing (or supply additional facts, for or against), as they see fit.
I realize that this is a thread that many are engaging in and I’m out of place to have said anything.
Again, I’m sorry.
It did seem to be a criticism of this diary and/or metamars, especially when there were other comments that were clearly critical of metamars. Thank you for clarifying.
I think a lot of people (not pointing fingers at anybody in particular) have a habit of using a diary as a place to engage with the writer of the diary. I think that’s fair, but it’s a lot more constructive if the comments about the diarist somehow apply to that particular diary. If somebody wanted to question metamars’ credibility, that would be fair if he’d actually done something more than just repost an article that someone else wrote. A reader could disregard the entire diary because they didn’t think metamars was credible or worthy or whatever, but in this case, the reader would have missed a very interesting and provocative article that has been mentioned in at least two other diaries.
I think this kind of inside-baseball interaction keeps people who lurk from posting and commenting as much as they might otherwise. I know I can be guilty of some of this myself. This diary just brought up a lot of those feelings for me. I’m interested in the topic at hand; I wouldn’t have commented if I wasn’t. And if the metamars vs. frank33 thing had continued, I would have left. I am glad that metamars agreed to take that to another diary.
OK, but what are your thoughts on holding people accountable, once we do understand (hopefully) what happened? We have systemic rot, in this country, so this is actually a much harder problem to address than figuring out exactly what happened.
I don’t personally want to discuss this, but perhaps a very useful discussion to be had is to see if this unnecessary and cruel murder could be used to role back NDAA. Doubtless, some fool in the government and/or media will cry “national security!”, which is supposed to make every evil action by the government somehow legitimate.
No problem. Peace.
And avoid LA! :-)
What you meant by ‘tabloid’ wasn’t clear, then, demi. But you’ve equated it with sadlyyes’s personal plea. Often it means ‘sensational crap/inventions’, which the Counterpunch column wasn’t, imo. And by ‘righteous’, I meant ‘informed’.
Agree about the systemic rot and it being a hard problem to address – and getting harder as our police becomes more militarized and fusion centers directed by “Homeland Security” proliferate. I don’t have an answer for you about how or what to do about it. I wish I did. All I can do at this moment in this direction is try to sort out what the truth of the situation is.
My main energy today went towards an emergency press conference held today by those of us concerned with sustainable and affordable energy in our city. Our mayor and a couple of city council members are all of a sudden proposing outsourcing the governance of our publicly owned energy utility.
So we had a press conference today. I put in a lot of time ahead of the conference to try to get an evening time set for this agenda item to be heard tomorrow evening so we could announce it at the press conference – which we succeeded in doing. Also time has gone into organizing folks to come to city council to speak against the idea. As it’s Valentine’s Day tomorrow, the suggestion is to bring sweeties and chocolate.
So, in short, that’s the fire most of my energy has gone towards today.
Also, I am deeply disturbed on a visceral level about what’s happened to Chris Dorner at the hands of the police and the media about it and I am following it closely.
demi – your comment came across loud and clear as trying to quash this post.
Remember that Metamars is a John Galt type of right wing freeloader. He continuously posts Koch Brothers attacks against environmentalists. He insults this website as much as possible. Of course, he does not contribute to FDL.
Come on Metamars, donate to FDL.
1. This comment of yours in no way contributes to the subject of the diary.
2. How is it that you know whether or not metamars contributes to FDL?
3. If you do know, shouldn’t you keep that information confidential?
4. Since when is whether someone contributes money to FDL relevant to their posts?
5. Are you aware that your goading and insulting of metamars on a post many of us are interested in is unpleasant to read?
6. If you have no interest in this diary, are you here just to insult metamars?
Haha, but like “herding cats,” it’s more of a stimulus to some than quashing…
For someone who calls him or herself, Green Warrior, that suggests s pro-environmnental outlook. Metamars despises and insult and slanders environmentalists. Metamars is an ally to polluters and uses FDL to catapult propaganda. Metamars has attacked many FDL environmentalists and FDL commenters. I do not know whether he pays for the privilege of annoying everyone. But, saying that should be “confidential”, is a bit serious. But give the Meta Man credit, he does have some defenders
I just think he or she is a shill. And Metamars is toxic. His/Her Posts never enlighten, only obscure issues.
This Post is an example. Yes, the LAPD has a history of abuses. Yes, Dorner may have been a victim. But he snapped, he lost his reason. The events need to be sorted out. Then, decide if there is blame. This Post even fails to mention that one police officer was killed in the shootout.
I just posted a new diary based on some photos of the burned out cabin that were just released, for anyone who might be interested.
> That’ s the question you should answer — or evade answering.
Folks, the answer was “evade.” No surprise.
Thanks metamars.
Police radio youtube — “burn the motherf–er down! … burn it down.” here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po9EaU7ZjxI&feature=youtu.be
I think you’re angry at metamars for other posts on other topics and are allowing that to affect your judgment toward this one.
Based on the recorded police audio, I believe (and so does metamars) that the police murdered Dorner when they decided to burn down the cabin he was in. That’s the important issue that this diary is about. If you have evidence or reasonable conjecture on the issue, I’d be happy to read it.
Now that Dorner is dead (tbd), does anyone think the investigation into his case will continue ?
I am upset that Dorner and Spengler got what they wanted.
Read the following quote and weep for America not just Dawn Nguyen.
Hochul added that Spengler’s handwritten suicide note mentioned that he had acquired the guns with Nguyen’s help. Nguyen lived next door to Spengler for a time, Hochul said.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/29/police-christmas-eve-firefighter-shooter-used-straw-purchaser-to-acquire-weapons/#ixzz2Ks94YnEc
Spengler in his handwritten manifesto to get even with the world purposely got Dawn Arrested.
Now others are trying to reform LARD because the next madman asked them to in his California manifesto. If a killler wants to die it is the last thing we should let them do. The Norwegians are smart they don’t give madmen what they want, The fact that cop killer Dawne asked for gun control is a good reason not to push any such law for more than a year or two,
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2013/02/08/alleged-cop-killer-pens-manifesto-applauding-obama-gun-control-efforts-n150793
It is nonsense that Spengler would not have managed to get a similar gun in the two years before his rampage.
Correction it should read the cop killer who set up Dawn,