Kevin Baker in his Harper’s article "Barack Hoover Obama" called Senators Baucus, Nelson, Conrad, "aged satraps from *vast windy places". John Adams, reporter for the Great Falls Tribune, ropes an interview with one of them, Senator Max Baucus, and asks him why Single Payer is not on the table and what about all those insurance, pharma and medical services contributions.
The first part of the interview has Senator Baucus at one point accusing Adams of being "confrontational" when Adams asked what Montana single payer advocates he was meeting with. Something about the reporter’s "tone" said Max. You listen and decide. I find it strange and disturbing that reporters are chided for asking what basically are follow up questions. But the follow up question did give Max the opportunity to explain that "Obama does not favor single payer" and that’s kind of why single payer doesn’t have a voice or a seat at the table. Adams interviews Baucus
(For more insider stuff go to Adams website at MT Lowdown
The second part of the interview is also interesting in the discussion about how money plays no part in his decisions as a Senator.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch: Lobbyists Fishing with Baucus
From what I can tell from this interview, Senator Baucus is very sincere that money plays no part in his decisions. Money and power though are different things. Also if you are constantly hanging around golfing etc with corporate lobbyists, you may never really hear the other side. Baucus didn’t even know about Senator Sanders SB 703. So he’s not hanging with Bernie; and his staff doesn’t think it important to keep him up to speed on that particular bill. He didn’t know about Conyers or McDermott’s bills either. He knew there was a bill but obviously had not read it and must not have asked to be briefed on it. There seems to be a lack of interest in real change or a curiosity in what might be. Perhaps certain psychological types interested in the "now" and the "status quo" not the future or possibilities are attracted to government work. They are the managers of our society not the engineers and architects. I’ve often said that the balance we need is not between ideology or philosophy, but having more engineering and architect brains involved along with, of course, the more empathetic brains.
The people we have now are the kind who by and large didn’t know the difference between Sunnis and Shia. See Jeff Stein’s "Can You Tell a Sunni From a Shia?"
In Stein’s article I found a key passage which might explain how Max sees himself. He sees himself (and perhaps Obama too) as more of a manager. (Thanks to William Greider’s new book "Come Home, America" for steering me to Stein.)
My curiosity about our policymakers’ grasp of Islam’s two major branches was piqued in 2005, when Jon Stewart and other TV comedians made hash out of depositions, taken in a whistle blower case, in which top F.B.I. officials drew blanks when asked basic questions about Islam. One of the bemused officials was Gary Bald, then the bureau’s counter terrorism chief. Such expertise, Mr. Bald maintained, wasn’t as important as being a good manager.
A few months later, I asked the F.B.I.’s spokesman, John Miller,about Mr. Bald’s comments. “A leader needs to drive the organization forward,” Mr. Miller told me. “If he is the executive in a counter terrorism operation in the post-9/11 world, he does not need to memorize the collected statements of Osama bin Laden, or be able toread Urdu to be effective. … Playing ‘Islamic Trivial Pursuit’ was a cheap shot for the lawyers and a cheaper shot for the journalist. It’s just a gimmick.”
Of course, I hadn’t asked about reading Urdu or Mr. bin Laden’s writings.
So they all see reporters’ questions as just "cheap shots" or "gimmicks" or "confrontational" rather than, well, questions which is their job, you know, to question. And since they don’t think it necessary to know the difference between Sunni and Shia, why would they want to know the difference between say, Canada’s health care plan and France’s? Oh I get it now. Middle managers are just supposed to push the agenda, not understand it.
Oh dear, we really do have to have public financing and new parties. It seems such a careless, yes, careless way of doing business. This just isn’t working out very well for most of us.
*Footnote – My only disagreement with the brilliant Mr. Baker and his brilliant essay is that there are aged satraps in narrow windy places too like Chicago and New York where I also have lived. But I realize the frustration of people who live in cities with millions of people being condescended to by satraps from places with more snakes and cows than people.



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Monday night a group of groups sponsored health care forums all over Montana. You would think all these new grass roots Obama voters would have appeared in droves, but it looked like a lot of the same true blue activists that have labored long and hard in the trenches for years. Fortunately, a bunch of single payer advocates showed up at each of the 9 town hall meetings. Because it was sponsored by a “bi partisan” group of mushy middle progressives, they saw fit to have a Republican MC and a Third Way guy to explain to us the different health care proposals. They invited David Kendall of Third Way. Why? This article “Bogus Think Tank Third Way Pops Up to Thwart Health Care” at Alternet actually named him as a former Blue Cross Blue Shield consultant. http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/140998
He subtly kept describing “single payer” as having no choice because everyone would be in the same plan. The second time when he said single payer wouldn’t allow private insurance, a bunch of us yelled “that’s not true”.
These young business liberals have infiltrated congressional staffs and the Washington cocktail weenie circuit and they are even in Montana. We need some Round Up to get rid of these weeds.
Something was weird with your link to the Adams/Baucus interviews. This link worked better for me. Blows my mind that Baucus wasn’t even aware of Sanders’s S.703, although to be fair, that bill hasn’t garnered a single cosponsor, in contrast with HR 676, which has more than 80.
Thanks, I corrected the link. Interestingly, Adams has taken the interview off his website but it is archived. Yes, I understand Bernie doesn’t have a co-signer, but it is telling that Max’s staffers think Bernie is so unimportant that even something pertaining to the job at hand aka health care like an actual bill would not be known. And that he vaguely knew about HB 676???? That means they don’t care about details. Just managing like I said.
A manager? A manager!
He’s a member of the Board of Directors, he sets policy. I need some brain bleach, please.
Huh? Sounds right to me. In my line of work, a manager is a “suit.” An executive-level manager is an “empty suit”.
I like the cut of Mr. Obama. Very stylish. Very now. But I have all but lost hope that there is anyone who has a clue living in there.
Given their staffs and resources, Congressional members remain incredibly ignorant even about areas in which supposedly they have great “expertise”. You have only to listen to a few hearings or read a few of their unchoreographed public statements to realize this. It is all the more unforgiveable because there are tons of bloggers out there with no financial resources and information that they dig up themselves or share publicly who are far better informed not just in general terms but on the specifics, not just in one area but in many.
Yes,I was told by one of these staffers “you are very good at debate”. Debate? Because I knew that Max was one of the architects of the infamous doughnut hole in Medicare Plan D? That I knew that most people in the world consider health care a basic human right? That I knew about the health care bills? That I love Matt Taibbi and Chris Hedges.
It’s not because I’m good at debate. It’s because I’m curious. They are plow horses with those blinkers on. I just won’t do that. And neither will anybody on this site or some of the other first rate sites.
We are the resistance.
Somewhere I had read something about Baucus having to backtrack on his no public option stance… because he was getting so much grief from his constituents. I guess that just doesn’t happen to him while he’s in DC?
Maybe when he gets back home for the July 4th break, he’ll get another earful.
This whole “managers can manage anything/anyone”, they don’t need to know the subject matter has ruined business (see the last few years, as the years of this method came to “fruition”), and it is obviously ruining government, as well.
I fear that the elected representatives and the staffers (who, after all, are too young to remember real reporters who asked real questions) have simply come to see not being asked anything real as “normal.”
For me, all the ills of the news biz, including its rapid decline, was illuminated by Tim Russert’s testimony at the Libby trial, that “off the record” was his default position in any conversation with a source, that he would print only after warning the source he was now “on the record.”
With that, I knew that the whole model of journalism had been flipped on its head, especially when no one but us dfh’s and dirty bloggers even noticed, let alone got upset.
How to turn it around? I dunno. Persistence, maybe, and more of what you describe above, till it gets to be the new/old “normal.”
Chris Hedges’ latest piece addresses corporate media. “The Corporate Media State has Deformed American Culture–Time to Fight Back
This Hedges piece deserves its own piece which I working on. He says what they teach now in most journalism schools is “poison”. But he ends by challenging us in the new media to change the story through words, photographs, art, theater…
And he ends with Gramsci’s great phrase “Fight the pessimism of the intellect with the optimism of the will.” Action not hope is the opposite of despair.
Hey Baucus, I respect the writer here saying you are honest in your beliefs. Me, I don’t believe this for a minute. If you don’t know all the facts regarding this issue, including significant proportions of the American people wanting government-sponsored healthcare, you are either a liar regarding taking money from health care insurers, or you are so stupid you shouldn’t be in the position you’re in. Frankly, the issues show you are a liar, and a corporate whore. Got an election coming up? I promise I will be supporting the many people in your state who will be lining up to put you in the crapper.
“I don’t need to know facts. I’m a manager, and I only have to make managerial decisions based on, uh, my nearly complete ignorance of the issues.”
Arrogance+Ignorance=our government.