The Podcast – Mad as Hell Doctors Need Our Help – Podcast with Dr. Paul Hochfeld
We had on a "Mad as Hell Doctor" on our radio show on Saturday, Dr. Paul Hochfeld who is advocating "smartism". He was really really mad but also articulate and charismatic. He’s an emergency room doctor from Corvallis, Oregon (very George Clooney sounding). His perspective as a doctor is vital to this discussion. He explains why we haven’t heard much from doctors, but that is changing. These doctors have been attracting crowds where ever they go and today they will be in Nashville on their way to try and get a meeting with the President. (They will be in Chicago Friday and Saturday). He is very frustrated that they can’t get any TV exposure. Ed Schultz keeps having "scheduling problems".(About 24 minutes in). I told him I would alert the folks at firedoglake to take up the cause of getting the "Mad as Hell Doctors" on the TV and that meeting with President Obama. (at 27 minutes in).
We gave him our full 45 minutes in our second hour. Around 15 minutes in he clearly explains how Medicare for All would work with public administration of healthcare by health professionals. Around 18 minutes into the interviw we took calls. We got a typical Montana tea bagger giving the Doc grief, but Paul used the challenge to explain doctors’ salaries.
Paul was grateful to be able to have such a long forum. He has only been able to have short radio interviews. He said perhaps health care doesn’t lend itself to sexy soundbites. But I found his way of expressing the debate very sexy. I told him that if doctors like him had been on the Sunday shows for the last year, Medicare for All would be a slam dunk. Instead we get mediocre congress critters and fake reporters explaining about how to play the political game and never asking serious questions. Yesterday the whole "tort reform" red herring was put out there again by Obama and no one even asked what it was or mentioned that it is in place in many states and doesn’t bring down costs. Such a waste of our time. Dr. Paul explains medical malpractice towards the end of the interview. We want health care providers in charge of our health care not these jokers. Let’s get Fighting Doctor Paul on the TV. He has his own website with a video called "Health, Money, and Fear" It was his attempt at educating the public of what is needed to have real health care reform. But he adds:
Sadly, I was a little "naive" to think that education was the trick. Surely, it’s necessary, but it’s not sufficient. In the last couple of years I’ve learned that fixing health care is less about health care than the political process that is broken for the same reason. They are both mostly about money."
What struck me most about this interview was the good doctor’s view of the media and politics. Like many Americans, he’s been too busy to pay the kind of attention that we political activists do. But now that he’s paying attention, he’s as mad as the rest of us. He’s starting to figure out about the media. Let’s join the doctors in Washington on September 30th in Lafayette Park. "Get Mad. Stay Mad. Make History." A little civil disobedience might be just the ticket. And if we get our heads clubbed, at least we’ve got a lot of doctors with us.



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Just like Coxey’s Army of 1894 (see my comment in perris’ diary “Let’s have a real Boston Tea Party) and the March on Washington of 1963, in the great tradition of journeying for justice, the Mad as Hell Doctors come to plead their case. They have got zero national attention. The president has refused their first request for a meeting. So they are driving to D.C.
Highly Recommended. But I am as angry as a hornet also. The whole “tort reform” is as bogus as it can get. It is all about asbestos. It is not just a red herring, it is an excuse to deny health care to workers who were exposed, and are now dying by the thousands.
The Decider Guy, in 2005 lied to protect his billionaire friends. Frivolous and irresponsible claims that hold back the economy? Hardly. Dupont, Union Carbide, Anchor Packing Co., Guard-Line, Ingersoll-Rand and Owens-Illinois want the blood money stolen from the health of their workers.
Thanks
thanks for reminding us
Their schedule
http://www.madashelldoctors.com/
Excellent. Hope they don’t wind up in the moat that surrounds the White House.
the Billionaires for wealth care are sure to show up
Maybe if they had designed a logo with someone photoshopped to look like Hitler, the media might care what doctors have to say about health care. Spotlighted several new outlets and emailed The Ed Show to ask WTF? He claims to be single payer and this should be right up his alley. Also emailed Rick Sanchez at CNN since he is in a war with Fox about whose march coverage is more fair and balanced. We should all encourage him to cover the doctors and then ask Fox where their coverage is.
Yes, my co host, Teamster Dave, asked Dr. Paul if they needed to wear tea bags and wave crazy signs to get attention. You may be right. They need something really showy to grab the attention. Let’s come up with something.
I wish more doctors would talk to their patients about the facts. Most of them have no idea how much staff it takes for their beloved doctor to get paid, for example, but they all know there might be death panels lurking in public plans. When I took my daughter to the doctor on Friday, I counted 3 people up front and another 4 in a billing office for a practice that has one doctor and one physician’s assistant. I don’t know if they are full or part time or even if they all work there or some were visiting. I was just eyeballing on my way down the hall to see where things stand in my corner of the medical world and it didn’t look good.
I really think we need to be more aggressive about questioning the media on their coverage choices. If we know they haven’t covered it thus far, we can try to make a difference before they get to DC, but we’ll have to phrase it in a “what’s in it for them” way because straight journalistic motives don’t cut it.
What if doctors threaten a national strike? David Himelstein mentioned chaining themselves to the White House fence. OR Do the anchors know that these doctors are talking civil disobedience and not just waving signs? Could this be like the Pakistani lawyers who took to the streets? OR As they get closer to D.C. they need to start a Convoy like in the days of truckers’ strikes. Can we get the independent truckers to join in a convoy?
I don’t think the anchors know anything, nor do they care for now. If the doctors actually chained themselves to the fence, they’d probably care more because it would be a more dramatic story. But how they cover it is up in the air. They could just as easily report them as crackpots who don’t represent the calm professional doctors we know and love because they do crazy things to get attention. Of course there will be no mention that they couldn’t get any attention being their normal calm professional selves or that it isn’t crazy to go for civil disobedience on what is essentially a civil rights issue fought as hard and as dirty by opposition as civil rights issues of the past. Martin Luther King was a nutjob once upon a time, too, and, in fact, he still is to many. We love Ghandi because he was in another country, that isn’t as exceptional, righteous and Christian as ours so disobeying his govt was a good thing.
Folks spent a bit of time on the phone with some of the Mad as Hell Doctors road and media team. Of course I am kicking myself in the ass for not contacting them weeks ago for a stop in Athens Ohio. They said they have basically honored most request for stops when they first put their plans for the road trip up I believe they said 8 weeks ago
As Montanamaven shared they are having a hard time getting the media coverage they so deserve. So as MM as suggested let’s help them on their way. Contacting mainline media outlets on their way. Asking them to give full coverage to these DOCTORS for single payer.
Schedule
http://www.madashelldoctors.com/
contacts for the Mad as Hell Doctors team
Clinton 971-235-6590
Fiori 206- 718-2417
Gary 503-679-8482
Their next stops are around the Dayton Ohio region. Then to Cleveland etc. Let’s help and contact media folks before they get there.
Call or email the Columbus Dispatch today or early tomorrow ask them to cover the “Mad as Hell Doctors”
http://www.dispatch.com/live/c…..index.html
The Dayton Daily News
http://www.daytondailynews.com…..ntact.html
Great post, MM!
Chicago firedoglakers should call Chicago TV and Lynn Sweet at the Sun Times for sure. They will be in Chicago this Friday and Saturday. We had them here in Montana because we called early. If we could get people to join them on the final day as they travel from Gettysburg to D.C., that would be cool.
Dr. Paul is on The Ed Show and Ed said he has been getting a lot of emails telling him to pay attention to the mad as hell doctors. Maybe it’s a slow start, but it’s a start. Dr. Paul is a great spokesperson. He sounds so reasonable for a crazy commie socialist fascist doctor who wants to ruin our once great capitalist country!
Thanks for a great post, mm. As you now know your efforts have borne fruit and Ed has overcome his scheduling problems and brought Dr. Paul Hochfeld in for an interview. Paul was pretty good. But he didn’t seem “Mas as Hell,” and perhaps that’s what we need right now.
I’m so pissed I missed it. Is it repeated? He seemed pretty steamed on Saturday, but he was also very very rational. He’s an ER doctor, after all.
Shall I’ll tell him to pump it up a little more?
My tivo says Ed will be rerun at midnight here in CA. Hopefully, you’ll get another chance to check it out. He was forceful, but calm. Ed was a little weird. He seemed less animated during that segment. Maybe he’s not sure exactly what to do with someone who isn’t on the regular panel circuit. There was a dem strategist who said we should all chill and go with the marvelously genius solution of triggers to get health care passed and Ed didn’t really take him on, either. When even the Republicans admit no trigger has ever been pulled, it’s time to give up on propping up that dead horse. “Stragegist” seems to mean someone who doesn’t really know much or keep up with anything but still feels perfectly comfortable pontificating.
Okay, it’s on Ed’s website. Okay, he’s not quite George Clooney, but then who is. But he should goose it up a bit. Nice footage from their website though.
Mad as hell Docs on The Ed Show
Both Ed and Dr. Paul have faith that if Obama will just get support he will do the right thing and pass some strong bill. Paul asked us if he was delusional. Dave and I hated to rain on his care-a-van, but we weren’t hopeful. And No, Ed, the president has showed no spine.
I have to admit that because we gave him 40 minutes he was able to answer all kinds of good questions that Ed didn’t. His answer on medical malpractice was great. His answer about doctors owning their own clinics was good.
I go back and forth on Obama’s true desires. He seems more fired up when he talks about the public option than he does when talking about individual mandates, for example. I don’t know if he just needs cover or he doesn’t want cover. Either way, the only solution I can see is to make it politically dangerous for him not to go with the public option and to go with something like MaxTax because I don’t see his actions turning on what he wants even if it is what he wants. Obviously Rahm and the insiders have convinced him, whether he needed a lot of convincing or not, that he must side with the corporations. He needs to be shown that he MUST not, not just that he doesn’t have to.
Let me vouch for Ed – he said one night last week that HE called THEM and got someone who didn’t realize who they were talking to, that he was calling about getting a spokesdoctor on the tube. The person who answere said he needed to speak with their Communications Dept.!
Thanks for the podcast link, MM; I look forward to attaching a voice to the face and the pseudonym. Do your podcasts have an RSS feed I can subscribe to?
Go to my website and click on “Democracy’s Edge” podcasts on the left. montanamaven Great interviews with Glen Ford of blackagendareport; Rick Perlstein, Stephen Zarlenga. I should put some more on. We’ve had on General Gard, “Failure of Intelligence” author and CIA analyst Melvin Goodman, Ari Berman, Francis Moore Lappe and many more in the last 5 years.
But we have been hitting health care hard for the last 6 months so we’ve had a lot of single payer advocates. Normally we concentrate on economic justice issues, but in connection with that we’ve done a lot of work on what is happening in Africa. We also have had on Raj Patel author of “Stuffed and Starved”. Fighting Monsanto seems to be very bi partisan. We live stream on Saturdays from 2-5PM Mountain Time at kmmsam.com. Lots of Libertarian callers.
Thanks so much. I am wondering if I can get to Wash. DC! Why not!!! We are talking MOVEMENT. I like their theme song.
I think I’ll take an old Obama campaign button, cover it with white tape and write 676 on it.
My coworkers and friends …. the health care looming travesty is so under the radar for them. These were activists during O’s campaign. The afterglow continues. Denial… more than a river in Egypt for sure.
I love having these guys as champions.