An article at The Nation on “microtargeting” highlights another fact about our increasingly online lives that I thought we’d explore a bit. Last week we talked about securing our logon IDs and passwords so we’re somewhat less likely to be hacked and have personal information or even money stolen. But that’s only a small piece of a very large and complex puzzle. Let’s consider how our Internet travels are tracked. And more important, for what purpose(s).
“Privacy” and “anonymity” are being defined down, and single violations of individual privacy like hacking and identity theft, while aggravating, are trivial compared with efforts toward the comprehensive accumulation of data on every single consumer. The marketing industry is attempting to profile and classify us all, so that advertising can be customized and targeted as precisely as possible. Google, Facebook, Apple and thousands of lesser-known companies are making it their policy and business to profile us in detail, all in the hopes of crafting better sales pitches.
(My bold)
Although the focus is targeting us for marketing purposes, the same techniques are available and increasingly used for government surveillance. We wandered into this on Tuesday in the comments on KrisA’s second post in his “guns” series. Suddenly the conspiracy theories, the tinfoil hat stuff, appears real and immediate.
Because I haven’t asked his permission, I won’t identify the commenter at Tom Junod’s guest post on Charlie Pierce’s Esquire politics blog, who observed (My bold):
…drones are much more than aerial photographers. Depending on the model being deployed, they can field a full complement of remote sensors that can tell how many people are in a structure, intercept ALL land line, cellular, and internet traffic. (They can jam those also, if desired.) They can also listen in to the people in the building.
And all this data can be live-streamed into the NSA’s data fusion center in Utah, where it is merged with your bank records, credit card records, phone bills, travel reservations, and consumer purchases.
How many of us use Google to search the Internet? “Google” has become a verb that’s almost generic (think Kleenex!) and tends to be our default search engine, even built into our browsers. One example of how Google vacuums up our searches is Google Flu Trends.
Google Flu Trends uses aggregated Google search data to estimate current flu activity around the world in near real-time.
According to a C|NET article in October,
[Verizon] this month began offering reports to marketers showing what Verizon subscribers are doing on their phones and other mobile devices, including what iOS and Android apps are in use in which locations. Verizon says it may link the data to third-party databases with information about customers’ gender, age, and even details such as “sports enthusiast, frequent diner or pet owner.”
There are four general stages through which companies gather and use information about us: they observe what we do, collect information, aggregate it, and then use it to target us with ads. It is not difficult to imagine this model being used to do much more than sell us stuff. Today, let’s look at the ways we’re observed.
As we browse the web, we leave permanent footprints of our activities. Every device connected to the Internet has an IP (Internet Protocol) address, which does not identify us personally, but isn’t entirely anonymous either. Blocks of IP addresses are assigned to specific Internet service providers (ISPs) like AT&T or Comcast, and most addresses are associated with a specific geographic location. By visiting a website, you enable the website owner to learn where you are located, which of course helps with targeting for marketing (or other) purposes.
Have you ever noticed, in the bottom corner of your browser window, the rapidly displayed names of “transferring data from” entities, such as “double-click.net” that are on the page you’re loading? Those keep track of you and serve you ads. Firedoglake uses them, as do most, if not all, websites. Did you ever wonder how a website you’ve visited previously “knows” you? Websites you visit ask your browser to keep “Cookies” — bits of data that store (for example) your preferred language, or even your login ID and password. Cookies are the ways a website knows when you return to a site, and some are good, in that they tell a website whether to display confidential information if you’ve authenticated with an ID and password. Browsers send cookies back only to the site that sent them, but what that site does with the information can be almost unlimited, including selling it to other companies.
Facebook and Twitter go even further; they require us to sign up for an account, using our real name and other personal information. And we do, because we want our family and friends to recognize us. Every time we visit a website that has a Facebook “like” button or a Twitter “tweet” button or a Google “+1” button, or a site that makes us use our Facebook account to comment (as many do) those companies know that we’ve visited, even if we don’t click on that button. That Facebook identification follows us to any site that requires that account to comment. So I am identified by my Facebook account at Charlie Pierce’s Politics blog, and also at the South Bend Tribune, even though I’ve never previously used my Facebook account to comment at the Tribune! And if you do click “like” or authorize an application, Facebook forks over your information to newspapers, publishing companies or gaming sites. From the Nation article:
Sharing your information with a third-party application on Facebook is akin to poking a hole in a water balloon: only one prick is needed for everything to leak out.
Next week we’ll see how they collect and aggregate our information. Feel free to add your two cents in the comments, and off-topic is OK as always. This is “free for all.”
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Hey, oldnslow! Good morning!
Good morning msmolly and oldnslow.
School delays this morning. We had 5-6 inches of snow overnight.
Thanks for this post msmolly. Its chock full of valuable information.
We had snow too, maybe about 4 inches but it blew around, and at one period must have been rain cuz I could hear it hitting the windows in the night.
My daughter in the Indianapolis area said they got hit with an ice storm and the roads got awful around dinnertime, and she already then knew the schools would be on a 2-hour delay.
Winter evidently isn’t going to go out quietly!
only one prick is needed for everything to leak out.
Only one prick is needed for lots of bad stuff to happen!
Good morning, pups.
I didn’t even think of the second meaning of the sentence until after the diary went live. Your “translation” is perfect.
So much for “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,…”
As you so eloquently point out, that is not how we are living.
I was having an email conversation with tejanarusa a couple of days ago about my recipe for chicken soup that begins with hacking up chicken parts with a cleaver.
She said she had left (her ex) Tony the cleaver, meaning, of course that when they divided their household goods he got her cleaver. But it could obviously be read two ways. I told her I didn’t leave Jack the knife!
The thing that is really frightening is that this surveillance is going on all the time, and we’re unaware of it, and AFAIK we can take steps to make it more difficult but there’s no way to completely stop it!
You also don’t want to holler “Hi Jack” when you greet him at the airport!
Thanks, msmolly, I get a kick out of emailing some one about, say, a pet, and getting ads for pet supplies. But I count on googling/researching about prices and soon getting discounts on what I inquired about.
Oh, the puns! Well done folks.
Thank you for the post and host msmolly, and good morning to all you firedogs. Molly’s doing a series of her own now. Awesome :)
I had no idea about the sites that use Google, Facebook, etc., for comments already capture your info. That’s shitty.
Ooops. NO! In reality we’re still friends although we’ve been divorced for more than 20 years. But I’m unlikely to be meeting him at an airport. LOL!
I am watching a former military prosecutor describe torture at Guantanamo on Democracy Now. Tune in if you have the stomach for it.
(He refused to prosecute>)
I use a firefox browser with AdBlock Plus. Here’s some info on the AdBlock Plus add-on –
My ex has married a Jack, and I think of it every time I greet him at a family gathering. Rather, I stop and think before saying hi, Jack.
MoJoes not seeing their own little bubbleland again today. Middle class gotta suffer, too…. hello? income inequality, anyone? or as someone opined on the net, we’re not here to start a class war, we’re here to end one.
Woody Guthrie’s novel of rural poverty does sound worth reading, though: House of Earth.
Mika’s simpering reaction was pukeworthy.
I also. I am amazed by what I see on websites I might visit using IE, which is extremely rare.
Yes, I use AdblockPlus too. It’s what keeps me on Firefox, although I think it’s available for Chrome.
The problem is that just because AdblockPlus blocks the ads from our view, they’re still being served by the remote adservers, and they’re still gathering our information.
I caught the beginning of Morning JOkE this morning and thought he was more disgusting than usual. He used Wal Mart saying sales are down because tax breaks expired to crow about Democrats being wrong about tax increases. He is stupidity, not to mention the horrible way he treats his co-host, is revolting.
Thanks, you saved me from being exposed to total suffering on my own part, can’t do Scar.
Really? I thought you had to click on them.
With a dynamic IP, it is possible to hold it somewhat at bay…power down the modem for 30 seconds and then re-establish connection. It works to unblock certain sites that for some reason, suddenly blocks access.
Did you catch any of the “fight” ol’ Squint had with Krugman last week? I must say, if I understood economics at the level Scarborough does, I sure wouldn’t take on a Nobel laureate on the subject, and then keep at it and at it.
Yikes, in other words he doesn’t register that Dems are saying tax breaks for business don’t create jobs? Too much fact.
Some of the bots on web pages record clicks, but they know about you if you don’t click at all. That’s what’s scary.
It’s a revenue source to the website, like FDL, to have lots of viewers as well as lots of “clickers.”
So then, even if I don’t go on line, someone someplace is gathering info because I have visited in the past?
I did not see that but don’t really need to.
For our modest record here let me just say, Joe Scarborough is an idiot.
Yes. And who, these days, wants to not go online? Geez, my life is online. Banking, purchasing and paying bills, tax returns, email, the whole magilla. And blogs like this one.
Edit to add: and I have a smartphone, so if you notice the Verizon item in the post, I’m being tracked that way, too.
He registers nothing other than the GOP talking points for the day.
For our modest record here let me just say, Joe Scarborough is an idiot.
It actually was pretty amusing. Krugman is always civil, but he doesn’t suffer fools gladly.
Let’s be more succinct. I do a search say, for Nikon Lenses. A bunch of sites show up, most wanting to sell me lenses, no matter what brand. I don’t click them. They know about me? If so, what do they know? It can only be my IP address,which is dynamic. Once that changes, they no longer can find “me”.
NBC shouldn’t be around much longer. They’re now the 5th highest-ranked national network. Behind Univision.
Bwahahahaha.
The drones know where you iz.
Joe Scar and Little Johnny McShame the current finalists in Top Dick competition for their appalling willful ignorance and dismissive narcissism whatever the raw meat.
If I understand correctly, if you do the search using Google, you’re identified that way. I don’t know if changing your IP address is avoiding that completely. My career was in IT, but I’m not really down in the networking weeds enough to be sure of the answer. It’s a good question, though, and I have former colleagues I can ask.
Youtube is an interesting example of this tagging. I notice that when I go there for a specific video, I find not only links for other videos for say, the same performer but also the same composition, composer and also sites about cats, because my SO searches cat videos.
I hope she never searches for pussy. Or me neither!
And nothing that counters them.
The only consistency I see, at least for advertizing appearing in my e-mail, is that I actually use that site for say, commerce. Amazon is always hitting my e-mail about things I have browsed on their websites, but I don’t get ads for goods for which I have surfed in general from them, even if they offer it.
Get any palates at work this week?
That’s cookies at work. You can clear your cookies and then when you return to the site it won’t know you….until you visit again and your browser accepts another cookie.
I think in most browsers you can turn off cookies completely, but that could make your browsing more difficult.
That’s interesting, because I buy quite often from Amazon and I NEVER get email ads from them.
a couple. i’ll bring ‘em home and we can get started after lunch tomorrow.
(that’s garden talk y’all)
So then, if my SO visits a site on youtube, the cookie would have to go on both machines for me to get that hit. Now I thought that since each computer has it’s own address in the router, that wouldn’t happen. I’m going to pull the router switch as an experiment in checking this out. If I am correct, those hits for cat videos should disappear. If not, then indeed both machines are getting the cookie. That can be checked by clearing cookies.
What are palates? I’ve heard of Pilates and the palate in your mouth, but not garden tools.
Really? I wonder why, as I haven’t done anything but normal procedures. Perhaps I clicked some permissions along the way.
I actually don’t mind because I have made purchases when a price drop occurred.
Interesting. Let me know. And I will ask my network buddies about DHCP and your Nikon search.
I know in the cases of suits filed against people for illegal downloading of music and movies, they were using IP addresses to identify the supposed “perps” and there was something about whether two computers behind the same router had different IP addresses externally. Universities have whole departments tasked with responding to the RIAA lawsuits, but I’ve been retired for more than 2 years and have lost track of the subject.
More likely you didn’t “unclick” them, and they were checked by default. Another sneaky trick they use. I occasionally get ads by email, but not often, and I don’t recall ever seeing one from Amazon.
What are palates?
A spelling error. What he was asking about are pallets.
I know we don’t because occasionally, a blog we both respond to occasionally blocks us, and when that happens both of us, with different ID and e-mail registrations, are blocked. As soon as I clear the IP address, we are back in business.
Should have been ‘pallets’ rather than ‘palates’.
OH. I know what THOSE are!! LOL. I thought you had a new garden tool I should check out!
I get it. You’ll use the “pallets” to wet your “palates”(ducks and runs.)
We are planning to garden in boxes. Old pallets dismantled and reassembled to make our boxes.
Oi!
Oh yeah, I can visualize that. Sort of raised beds, framed with slats taken from the pallets?
Yes. I have a real small yard of poor dirt and a bad back. So we figure boxes on the patio. less bending and stooping and nice miracle grow dirt from the garden center.
They wouldn’t be as inexpensive, but have you looked at Earthboxes? It would be a little more of an up-front investment, but you can use them for many years.
A friend has three, and I got two for my son and DIL, who wanted a few tomatoes and some herbs and haven’t a green thumb between them.
I had not looked at Earthboxes. We are going wit the free wood because, ya know, free.
There are some advantages. It came with fertilizer and they’re on casters so can be moved around. They have a plastic cover and a water reservoir in the bottom so you never weed them and you water once a day by pouring water into a built-in tube.
For someone like me with no access to free wood, an Earthbox would be ideal, but I have no sun anywhere except at the end of the driveway, and sun doesn’t come with an Earthbox!
Morning msmolly,
Here you go, edumacating me on stuff again. Recc’d of course, I needs alls I can get.
Haven’t finished reading everything yet. But a great piece up top.
Good morning, nonquixote. I thought everyone had left early or something, cuz it sure got quiet here.
I didn’t intend for this to be a series, but there’s too much to put into one post, and this one almost hits the “glazed eyes” level as it is!
Hi msmolly and Friday Freewheeling pupses. My brain isn’t up to thinking this morning, so may I just have a coffee, please :)
Glad you are getting at it, you’ve done the first step of getting started. We had four inches of snow in the last 6 hours, I’m holding off on starting indoor plants for transplanting outdoors later, our last killing frosts are generally just before Memorial Day. Snow predicted to continue until about this time tomorrow.
East wind, white out, lake effect storm. There is insulating snow depth enough now, for the ground frost to start slowly melting from earth heat, bottom to top.
Caffeinated I presume.
Morning Omi.
I remember whiteouts. We didn’t get much lake effect snow, being on the north side of Lake Ontario, but we had a few whiteouts along the 401. Completely disorienting. Awful.
Had a fun chat with the grave digger on my way to the post office yesterday. He was rolling up the compressor hose for the pneumatic hammer/breaker and I got a real-time scoop on the neighborhood ground frost depth.
People are happy when one says hello for the simple mutual pleasure of doing it.
Oh yeah :)
Good morning. My two are sacked out on the bed, snoring. What is Mcat up to, this morning?
Thankfully I can still see the coffee maker from my desk, and Mcat would never lose her food bowl. ;-)
A few chores, laundry, beds, towels, vacuum. Later pups, all the best.
I never, as in NOT EVER, thought about snow being an insulating blanket so that the ground thaws from the bottom up.
Thanks, you’ve taught me something new! Gee, the things one learns at FDL!!
Edit to add: I do have daffodil plants up about 3 inches, but I think it’s because they’re right beside/under the vent pipes from my high-efficiency furnace, and it’s warmer in that spot. They’re wearing a snowy coat this morning, though.
*g*
We got 5 inches of wonderful powder overnight. Light as a feather.
I am getting ready for spring, however.
‘Real time scoop’. Oh boy!
M saw me get the house vacuum out of the closet and is likely snoring away under the teen’s bed upstairs. I always give her fair warning.
She knows the difference and which vac is for cat grooming.
Peace and Resolve.
Are you gonna get out the skiis?
Sorry for the abrupt departure. Got busy.
Thanks again for the postnhost msmolly.
A little micro climate. How cool.
This may be for Science Monday, please excuse? Did anyone see the recent NOVA ‘The Earth From Space’?
I was amazed at what satellites can do ( other than spy on us, I mean ).
I don’t think ours is light as a feather, because at least at one point it was partly sleet.
I’m off to do some chores and sewing too, but I will check back to greet the stragglers. I love how the conversations evolve over the day from where they began. Entirely new topics pop up and are discussed (like cleavers!).
What’s on your planting list? The pallets sound great.
So, you’re cutting out on us?
Yes, just coffee for me, too. Sounds good.
And, good to see you.
Good Morning all you Dogs. Another cold spell
here; yesterday quite warm in the afternoon.
Keeping Austin Weird, as they say.;)
Nothing is off topic here, Om. I didn’t see it. I wonder if it’s available for viewing online? Yes, I’m sure the invisible minders know what shows I watch online, too…
I actually live in a little micro climate, and neighbors have noticed it too. It seems that when we cross the major road about a mile south of us, the weather changes. It’s sometimes raining or snowing more or less on different sides of that divide. It can be a little bit disorienting sometimes. In the winter it can be snowing like mad here, and almost not at all a mile to the south. Lake effect is part of it, but why do the snow bands settle on one side of that dividing road?
Likewise :)
I haven’t even looked at the forecast but it has been hovering in the low 50s, cloudy, drizzle off and on… good day to bake some bread and read a book or play some Scrabble on the iPad.
Oh my, another pun! Where’s Punaise when we need him?
Actually I’m washing (my laundry) away the whole bunch of ya!!
Good morning, RevBev. That sounds like what we’ll be having up here in about another month.
Did you already have the Drinking Liberally get together some of you were discussing? It sounds like fun. Here the only thing done liberally is going to church :)
Really s’psed to get pretty cold this
evening, I think. I am definitely not
a cold weather girl; I think I would go
seriously crazy. During my only such short
spell, I really got fairly depressed where
winter lasts forever. Just not for me….
I like to use Mrs Meyers Clean Day laundry soap for the sheets and pillowcases. The lavendar leaves just a hint of scent and it is so refreshing.
My wife’s trying to convince me to switch to electronic cigarettes. It’d be nice if there was more research done on health effects. I guess they can’t be worse than the stuff I smoke now, right?
We use a rewards system at the shop that tracks sales by customer and encourages them to link their twitter and fb accounts. Customers can download an app to track their purchases, but the ol’ plastic card is way more popular. But… We don’t get to keep an of he information collected. All of that belongs to the company that provides the software and service. The thing is that this system allows customers to use one card–or a smartphone–to track purchases at multiple small businesses.
No, probably not, except for the long extension cord.
good morning Ms Molly and Firedogs -
really late, wasting time trying to get laptop to run ‘better’ – whatevsies !
this week’s project – Chomp !
crosses fingers, prays to linking goddess
see everyone later – prolly at PUAC
thanks Ms Molly !
Oh, electronic, not electric. More coffee please :)
It asked us to sign in, is that normal?
I’ll check back later, gotta go chomp a protein shake.
Have a great morning, pupses and thanks msmolly!
Ohmmmm
Didja get your credit card issue sorted out?
I’ve been doing light research on exotic places to drag the kids on a vacation of a lifetime. Of course by the time I’ve scraped enough money to pay for it, the boys will be moody teenagers horrified at the idea of family travel. Heh. Ethiopia sounds fun!
I’ve lived all of my life in the midwest, so I guess I’m used to it. And because family is here (except for my sister in CA), I don’t want to move. My ex and his wife live in NC, and I have trouble figuring out why they wanted to move that far away from both her family and his. I see my grandkids often, and he sees them only two or three times a year.
Where do you get it?
On my way out, but if you get a chance, see the Snow Leopard Conservancy film at Fatster’s. I’d love to visit, and some of the villagers will board guests …
Sort of in line with today’s post: I am required to “log in” to Photobucket to see that, and am offered the opportunity to log in with Facebook or Twitter. Supposedly even if I don’t, they know I’ve been there.
I’ll have to look for that. It would be good for towels too, I think. I use the liquid detergent from Costco that comes in a big container and takes months for single person me to use up.
I was buying at our natural foods store, but just saw it at Target, and cheaper. Some neat scents in hand, laundry and all purpose cleaning. Lavendar is my favourite but they also have Rhubarb (I didn’t like), Radish, Rosemany and Basil, maybe more. We use the Lavendar liquid handsoap in both bathrooms and it makes them smell really fresh. Love it.
Ooooh. Animals! Kenya Tanzania would be kewl.
I’m going to do that, right now.
Thx again, *bai*
I am convinced — with no scientific evidence other than being a former smoker — that the biggest part of addiction to cigarettes is the associations. I think the nicotine is out of your system in probably less than a week, but the oral gratification, together with the association with the many times you reach for a cigarette (in the morning, after a meal, after sex, etc.) are much harder to get over.
I use rosemary-mint bath soap — love the smell, although I don’t think it clings to the skin once you’ve showered and dried off. But the skeeters can smell it and they don’t like mint, so helps keep them away when I garden. I’d go for the rosemary scented version.
try this one
this just in – Photobucket is the sucketh !!!
Lovely cookies!!
Ethiopa? really?
My credit card mess is basically sorted. I’ve got all of the recurring payment accounts updated, I’ve got time on my calendar this afternoon to book all the flights that got put on hold, and I’ve get new authorizations out to all of the hotels that were effected.
Took a couple of days, but seems to be okay!
There are conclusive studies that show nicotine withdrawal runs its course in about 3 days, peaking on the 3rd day. These studies also show that when quitting smoking, around the 21 day mark is the hardest part mentally for some reason.
The electronic cigarettes aren’t so I can quit smoking. They’re a money-saver by a long shot, with the equivalent of a carton costing about $18, when a carton costs near $50.
Also, tests of the exhaled vapor shows absolutely no toxic chemicals present, so secondhand smoke is eliminated. With the kids around all the time, I think this is by far the biggest benefit.
The only real studies I could find on carcinogen levels in e-cigs show that they are roughly 1,000 times less toxic than tobacco cigarettes. I Greek study from 2010 showed that the e-cig does not elevate heart rate or blood pressure like a tobacco cigarette. A UK study in 2008 showed that the vapor of an e-cig has no harmful effect on lung tissue.
All in all, it seems a much less toxic alternative to traditional tobacco smoking.
There’s also the added benefit of manufacturers offering e-cig liquid (the cartridges need to be refilled or replaced regularly) with selectable levels of nicotine, so one could theoretically step down a nicotine addiction much like using the patch, until all that’s left is the physical act of ‘smoking’ without any chemical dependency.
But you still have to deal with that queue that piled up while you were buried with the credit card mess, don’t you?
That’s very interesting. I knew nothing about them. I visualized some sort of plastic tube one sucked on to mimic the sensation of smoking only without the tobacco. I’ve seen signs advertising them, but have never seen one.
They would definitely be cheaper and less toxic than cigarettes.
Only 7 of those left. :)
Wow, you’ve been a very busy guy! I am impressed!
I love them. Especially the last page, the colours are very sophisticated, as well as the designs. The geometrics remind me of henna designs.
You are good.
Through Jeezus all things are possible.
His work; my hands.
*rolls eyes*
:)
Is it EO brand? That’s what I use to wash my hands 50 bazillion times a day. EO offices are right down the street. When they saw the bright pink commercial hand soap we were using, they set us straight. Good stuff.
Yes. Like henna or lace. My hand is not steady enough to do cookies like that.
Actually, I use goats milk soap I buy at the Farmer’s Market. This is the first I’ve heard of EO soap. I should look for it at the local natural food store.
I didn’t know Jesus was partial to air travel.
For Starbuck, I have a very long detailed response from my network tech friend. Much too long to post here in its entirety, but I’d be happy to forward it to you. It contains a lot more info about cookies than I had included in this morning’s post.
The high points:
1) Your IP address
With this, they can tell what city you are likely to be in.
Rebooting your modem only gets another IP from the same pool, so it doesn’t do anything to disguise you.
There’s nothing secret or private about an IP address – it’s not a cause for concern, and changing it gains you nothing.
2) Your browser model, version, and Operating system.
So, they can, for example, tell that you are using Opera version 10, on Windows XP, Service Pack 1.
Malicious sites can use this information to attack your browser with a fair degree of precision, since they can use known vulnerabilities in each version (yes, even on Macs)
3) Your browser may also reveal other information, such as the username you’re logged in as, but this is less likely.
In the Nikon lens example, the search site, or the retailer site, probably dropped a cookie on your browser saying “searched for Nikon” (not really but in effect). So the next retailer, or their advertising stream in the sidebar, can see that you have an interest in that, and customize the ads they show you. The people in the business say they are “helping” consumers. In reality, they’re helping the people who pay them: the merchants who want to be able to market to you more precisely.
He recommends Chrome (browser), ScriptSafe (extension), and AdBlock Plus. He says AdBlock tends to block most of the blatant tracking cookies from the known tracking services (I didn’t know that!)
EO products. They distrubute to our Whole Foods market, but it may not be national distribution. Good stuff.
Morning, pupses!
The photobucket glitch was funny, given today’s topic. I appreciate your explanations on tracking, msmolly, although it is hard to grasp for us liberal arts majors.
I used to try harder to keep from being followed, and I avoided sites that required FB to comment, but finally I gave up. Sorta, well, que sera, sera. I am an internet addict, what am I gonna do? Though I still hate the gutting of the 4th amendment principle…of course, it’s commercial privacy invasion, which is not forbidden by the Constitution, so hey! It’s all good!/s
I am certain the Founders never envisioned merchants (as they would have thought of business). Sigh.
I did hear of a court case the other day in which the judge threw out all the hundreds of pages of telephone records because it was obtained without a warrant, and the judge made some pointed comments on the subject. So not all courts are up for gutting the 4th amendment.
He had many magic carpets. That’s how he met Mary M. She was a stewardess on Jeezus Airlines.
I tried to keep it as “plain English” as possible, but having spent my career in IT, things that are “plain English” to me can be incomprehensible geek-speak to others.
I didn’t really plan to make this a series, but why not? There’s good info for people who might not be aware how thoroughly we’re being tracked.
And we even discussed your missing cleaver! LOL.
We’re getting a Whole Foods here in April. I am of two minds about shopping there (in addition to their well-deserved “Whole Paycheck” label). There’s the CEO calling the Affordable Care Act “fascism” (and of course, tried to sorta walk it back).
I wish we’d get Trader Joe’s here.
I just saw a commercial for a book called Obamacare Survival Guide, available at Obamacare911.org or from book-sellers nationwide.
WTF? Lulz.
No, it’s pretty clear. Just getting my head around the concepts.
To your next comment…we got a Trader Joe’s in December; I went to the grand opening, (like everyone else in this part of town, apparently), but haven’t been back. I just wasn’t all that impressed.
Prices weren’t particularly good, nearly all the produce was packaged in plastic, which surprised and bothered me (I wanna be able to buy one pepper, one orange, etc.), and although there were a few interesting frozen and other prepared foods, maybe even cheeses, really not much I can’t get at HEB Central Market (fancy store of Texas’s local, dominant chain) down the street.
Re: Whole Foods…very mixed feelings. (TJ opened in a small center across the street [!] from the one with WH)
I loved it back in the ’80′s when I’d stop by the original store in Austin on my way back from visits or CLE’s held there. It still had a very hippie vibe, and the baked goods were terrific. Also more bulk foods than I’d ever seen anywhere. Customers had a strong hippie vibe, too. *g*
It wasn’t exactly cheap, but it wasn’t “whole paycheck” either. A real emphasis on “whole foods” and organic foods.
By the time they opened in San Antonio, they had expanded across the country, become more a gourmet/fancy food store than “whole food” store,and very expensive. (Also I think the bakery, while it doesn’t suck, it isn’t as good as Central Market’s.) Bulk food section was much smaller than in Austin stores, which was disappointing.
Bottom line, there are some things I can only get at WF, although HEB is competitive. So I go there occasionally, usually just buy grains from bulk bins, maybe a few fruits or veggies (bought more when they opened, but as I say, Central Market has really stepped up in the veggie department.)I think their cheese dept beats CM in many ways, even though it’s smaller…more hard-to-find types.
The good thing is that despite Mackey’s fascist opinions, he pays his staff much better than groceries around here, and provides health insurance. The employees actually seem pretty happy, and they are great at helping you find what you’re looking for.
A conundrum. When it opens, though, I’d check it out, if I were you.
Whew. That was a lot longer than I thought it was. Apologies.
Hey, I saw that at a B&N last night! There were people in front of that shelf, though, so I couldn’t grab it easily, and I forgot about it later.
From the cover, couldn’t tell if it’s scare stuff (Ocar will destroy your life!) or serious help about how to take advantage of it. If the latter, might be useful, since it is all pretty complicated.
It’s scare stuff about how companies can minimize the impact of the law.
I thought they met in a brothel.
*lightening strikes yellowsnapdragon*
Oh. Figures, of course. There’s a lot of that going around, isn’t there?
Lol! You still with us, ysd?
Of course, one could certainly spin what you said; the actual (well, actual as in the Gospels) Jesus got in trouble with the establishment and the rich folks of the time because he did go to such places and hang out with people like prostitutes and beggars and, horror of horrors, tax collectors. ; )
I have feelings about Whole Foods, too. Truth be told, I rarely shop there, but I no longer need to buy a lot of specialty gluten-free, dairy-free, vegan items that we used to need for my son’s food sensitivities. Way out of my price range, honestly. TJ’s is waaaaay better.
ysd, did your son grow out of his sensitivities? Curious about TJ’s way better – prices, or other things? I really wasn’t very impressed with the store that just opened here. I mean, not bad, except I really hate pre-packaged produce, for a lot of reasons), just didn’t get why people seem to love it so much.
My understanding is that Mary M was Jesus’ wife and that the stories of her being a prostitute were slanderous attempts to mitigate her power since she was Jesus’ favorite desciple.
However, I’d love the story even more if Mary M was a prostitute who Jesus married. It would say a lot about their characters, compassion, and walking the right path. Just sayin’
Prices are great at TJ’s.
What I like is that they have a lot of gourmet sauces, healthy snack foods, high end cooking ingredients, all at significantly lower prices than chain groceries. I love their frozen foods section, actually. They’ve got frozen haricot ver that has become a staple at our house. Also their fresh pizza dough makes great foccaccia and appetizers.
No comparison. TJ is a poor place to shop, especially if you want to buy at the bulk level. Bins from which I can decide how much. In comparison, while the pres of Whole Foods offends me, the store does not. Today, I am buying organic chicken at $2/lb. They have one day sales and I can buy as little or as much as I want.
In comparison, at TJ’s I have to buy either as for a family of 4 or fast food prep packaging. People simply dash through the store seemingly frantic. Adding insult to injury, you get to buy bananas or apples by the piece, with no reference to weight.
TJ’s bewilders me. They are a cult type. I complemented a cook on her dinner once. Do you know what her answer was? “Trader Joe’s!”
Eeek!
Then there are the recalls.
Even the venerable Fred Meyers do better.
My first store of choice is New Seasons then Whole Foods.
You can’t buy chicken bones here, non-organic, for $2/lb!
The problem with TJ’s is that unless you are buying prepared TJ’s brand pre-packaged foods, it’s difficult to find everything you need to cook a meal at home without making a second stop. TJ’s is absolutely the best place to shop for school lunch supplies (except deli meats).
*disciple
Freaking autocorrect changes everything but what needs to be corrected.
Hope you saw my #121, response from my former colleague about the IP address issue. If you email me at msmollynd AT gmail I will forward you his entire response including a link to an appropos cartoon!
That’s because they cater to people who don’t cook, merely heat and eat.
Well, we haven’t got a TJ’s (my sister in CA shops there often) but we will soon have a Whole Foods (my sister in CA shops there often, too), so I guess I’ll get to find out. There are both in Indianapolis and I’ve shopped there now and then when I’m visiting my kids.
We have a Meijer (not Fred Meyer) here, and I do most of my shopping there, and probably will continue. And I have a fish vendor and a poultry vendor at the Farmer’s Market whom I patronize.
I think I paid more for the chicken wings and legs I used for my chicken broth than $2/lb, and it was the cheapest available.
Thanks, I’ll do that.
I had to take some side trips this morning, then checked back and saw the TJ comments. Just had to add my own!
I’m sure the local Walmart/Sam’s will be featuring copies, alongside Glenn Beck’s latest book.
Here too. I wait for wings to go on sale and I get them at a buck fifty. Jeese! Used to be well under a buck!
Unfortunately, no New Seasons here. We have the aforementioned Meijer, a local chain called Martin’s which is nice but everything’s a bit more expensive than Meijer (but their meat is better), maybe two or three Kroger stores, couple of Aldi stores, and that’s pretty much the grocery scene — oh well, WalMart and Target sell groceries but I never buy groceries there.
Whole Foods may up the ante with the other stores here when it opens.
Afternoon foodies, radishes after seed pods were harvested for seed, next to a 4 inch knife for scale, and then as prepared with left over basmati rice, sauteed Swiss chard and a small amount of low fat, (free-range) turkey sausage.
Reasons for a small garden and in keeping with the topic of the day, less consumer tracking.
Don’t forget whatever trash Sarah Palin writes.
That rice/chard/sausage dish looks yummy! What time is dinner served? *G*
I’ve never cared for radishes, for some reason. But I’m not sure I’ve ever eaten them cooked, or I didn’t know they were an ingredient. I usually shove them to the side of a salad and don’t eat them.
I think Bill O’Reilly’s latest tome is featured, too. Sorta goes with the demographic that tends to shop there. Or maybe just the demographic in South Bend, in GOP Indiana. (South Bend itself leans Dem, but most are DINOs.)
OK back to the sewing machine. I took a little break, but it’s a mistake to stop by Over Easy because a little break turns into an hour!
Sauteed until golden brown on the edges, these had the concentrated sweetness of a sauteed carrot or onion. No raw radish, “heat,” at all.
Yummm! Will you be doing the cooking at the meetup with the Iowa and ILl pups?
Although, I’m not sure I recognize radishes in the dish..are they the large whiteish semi-circles? I’m looking for small things, I guess, but after grown to seed, perhaps they are really large, onion-size?
Radishes were a staple on the dinner table in summer when I was a kid. My mom liked them. One of the few things she actually bought fresh, along with iceberg lettuce. Everything else veggie, canned, or later, frozen.
(I’m not blaming her now; knowing the history of agriculture and homemaking now, I know canned food-that you didn’t have to sweat and labor to can yourself-was at first seen as a great blessing to the housewife. And since she was a career woman (nurse)at first, without the need to learn to cook, she used all the convenience foods she could.)
Some of us are required to live a lifestyle that includes heat and heat foods as a matter of survival, sadly. I have a window of about two hours at home to prepare a meal, feed the family, get kids in the bath and pajama’d, get one kid medicated via nebulizer, have some quality family time, and get everyone into bed.
Soooo true!
Nonquixote, thinking of what you said about avoid grocery tracking reminds me. The grocery “store discount card” was the first marketing tracking system I was aware of. (must be like what yellowsnapdragon said her customers prefer)
I was shocked one time my then elderly dad went to the store with me and whipped out his store discount card. He ws a lawyer by training, very strong on personal privacy, and I couldn’t imagine he was okay with the store knowing everything he and my mom bought.
Otoh, I reflected, in retirement one wants to save money, and since he was not at all tech-savvy (got an electronic typewriter for retirement present 1987; never advanced to computer), figured he might not know about tracking through the card.
I decided to keep quiet.
Yes, the whitish disk with the spoke-like pattern if you look closely. Icicle radish to be more specific. I’m not set up for group camp cooking and who know what might be mature enough to harvest at that juncture?
Having not previously let these go to seed, the top growth was three feet high, kind of spindly and flopped over from its own weight after a while. Seed pods were 1-2 inches long with a single row of six to ten seeds.
LOL. not.
I know just what you mean. I remember back when I was working very long hours/weeks in child support, my then DH (yes, Tony the C) were shopping, and I was reading labels on muffin mixes.
A very young woman stopped to ask, “why don’t you make it from scratch?”
I kinda blew up at her. For years, of course, I did make them from scratch, but there was no more time for that in those days. Pissed me off.
I suspect that catering more to that generation/group of folks that needs quick-prep food is taking over more space at my nearest, though rather gourmet-ish (or wannabe) store is why I couldn’t find small packs of chicken wings or cut-up whole birds, as used to be widely available.
They also have replaced a chunk of the produce with packages of cut up veggies for salad and soup. No, actually for salad and bbq; there were a bunch of already skewered veggie combos, really no soup packs (and there used to be).
This is an affluent neighborhood, with expensive houses, where people work a lot and don’t have a lot of time to cook, but still want good food.
I get that.
Aaaah. That explains your distaste for not-fresh veggies. I get it now. My mom *never* used canned and only very occasionally frozen, so I don’t have bad memories about veggies. Love ‘em all except brussels sprouts which Mr. has learned to cook to my liking.
I have PTSD from Mom’s pork chops with applesauce cooked in the crock pot. Can’t. do. it.
Wow. I have never seen a radish that big (or that old).
Sorry, didn’t mean to scare you by suggesting you cook… ; )
Very nice. Put a little water over that dish and I’ll be you could also have a nice soup.
I’ve just been eating my soup from the other day…could use a little more richness in the broth, but not bad; better than some experiments in recent years. Roasting the carrots and onions did make the difference, I think.
Next time (see above post) I may go to a different store with less pretensions to see if I can find suitable chicken parts.
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LOL. Many of us have such feelings about at least one of our Moms’ dishes, I suspect.
My mom just fried pork chops; sometimes put out jarred applesauce along with it (not cooked together!). Or jarred apple rings…those reddish-pink things…can’t remember what they’re called.
Perhaps it’s a good thing the crockpot hadn’t been invented until I was already grown up. Probably Mom wouldn’t have bothered with it. No microwave either. Her currently most advanced appliance is a toaster oven. But then, when they decided to move to a retiremet community with dining room meals available, her comment was “Yay! I never have to cook again!”
(She and my dad both liked cooked canned spinach drowned in vinegar. Yeeeech. To this day I prefer spinach fresh only, in salad. Maybe in a spinach-gruyere quiche…)
Not afraid, I immediately switched to, what would I need to pull something like that off? Gas grill, big cooler, portable awning, something to haul everything, yadda.
Back to reality, going out to sweep the porch, the vehicle, and clear the driveway. Looks like the snow is tapering off, later, fun as always.
Canned spinach is the lowest form of vegetable on the planet, no contest.
Oh, okay…sorry, I didn’t mean to insult you, either.
Hey, if we all descended on you for dinner, we’d bring stuff, too, y’know. ;)
Isn’t it?
That both my parents’ thought it was deelish must say something about growing up during the Great Depression, I’m sure.
My mother can spread butter thinner across a slice of bread, yet smoothly covering the entire slice, than anyone I know. She said it was because they had to, as kids, use as little as possible, because it was expensive.
Knowledge,as an adult, has killed the teenage snobbiness I felt toward their habits. It also helps me keep my mouth shut when Mom goes into her penny-pinching poor mouthing (she is not poor, but it’s clear she will never ever feel not-poor).
I wish I could spend my days cooking. It’s an enjoyable way to spend time, IMO.
Pofessor Wolff lectured about the early days of the Soviet Union, and he described an initial plan remove burden of cooking from women by creating cooking centers where working people could get a healthy meal at the end of the day. For some reason that I don’t recall, it was one of the first things to get jettisoned in the Soviet system.
Click if you dare: How cockroaches get clean, from Science Friday.
The link is just to the home page, you have to click further on the video itself.
Disclosure: I haven’t steeled myself to watch, just heard the description on the radio. I curious about the teeny tiny vetereinary cone (aka Elizabethan collar) the scientists put on one antenna to do the experiment, to see why roaches groom themselves so much.
And now, having left you with that video gift, I gotta step away from the keyboard to do some stuff (not thankfully, to shovel snow!)
The Great Depression lasts a lifetime for a lot of people. My grandparents too, but what we perceive as cheapness is how that generation managed to save money and acquire the wealth that they live(ed) on in retirement. I am glad I learned a lot of their ways.
Funny, I was just reading about that in a book I have for Russian language learners on cultural knowledge.
It seems the first idea was apartment buildings with a huge kitchen where all the residents would cook and eat together.
Can you imagine why that didn’t work out? ; ) It wasn’t professional cooks paid to cook for residents, it was residents having to work it out among themselves.
So the next iteration was communal apartments, with three to five families sharing a kitchen (and bathroom facilities; tho’ tub and toilet were separate from each other). That was still pretty fractious, but on a smaller scale. Space was at a premium, though,so communal apartments endured until the end of the USSR. Probably still are some where residents can’t afford to move or convert (plenty of folks remained poor while some got very very rich).
Didn’t I say I was leaving?
Amazing that didn’t work, eh? LOL. See you later…
Exactly. I learned a lot of those ways, too (saving string..finally quit doing that…well, except for really BIG pieces…), rubber bands from broccoli, onions, etc.
Some depression-era parents seem to have taken the common immigrant parent way of child-rearing: my kids will never want for anything the way I did…and raised spoiled kids who had no clue how to save money when they needed to. Others did their best to pass on what they learned.
I got some of their “cheap”, er, frugal values, but not all, sadly.
I pinch pennies till they scream, then blow it all on an impulse…(sometimes)
Of course. I realize that. Sadly is the operating word here.
The frustration I sense when in Joe’s is palpable.
We shop, once a week, at new Seasons, on Wednesday because of a 10% discount to seniors. We will spend several hours at time in the store, having a selection from the deli to eat on the spot, and visiting with the store personnel. We know each other by name and if we miss a Wednesday, they know it. Joe’s folks seem personable as well, and probably would also extend a friendly hand, at least at the store we most likely would shop.
Very different life styles.
I also have an eye out for the fast to prepare as well. Sometimes it is the difference between a quick dinner before meetings or none at all.
A safe and restful weekend is wished to everypup by
Ohmmm
Just Like Heaven
I’m out of practice
Second try
Hey, I checked a cleaning spray that I like alot. It’s a Meyers, also. It smells good and cleans like it’s supposed to. I do think I had gotten it at a “natural” food grocery, so I will know where to check….Thanks..
I’m so glad! Last time I bought some a lady in the aisle said that when her pump bottle of the hand soap was down to about 25% she filled it up with water, gently agitated it, and that it became a foam. I’m going to try it.
Well, for whoever hasn’t left yet…I blame this discussion of food and markets for my having stopped by Central Market on the way home, just to get some bread and maybe bananas…and coming home with bulk trail mix (2 kinds, one with chocolate), oranges, apples, limes, and oh yeas, CHEESECAKE with chocolate crust (they sell large slices, single servings. I could make it cheaper, but then I’d have the whole cake in front of me, alone….)and even bulk fruit salad.
I spent more than twice what I usually do in that store, and its all Over Easy’s fault!
Mmmmm, cheescake and fruit salad excellent! (sampled before storing in fridge).
A good weekend to all pups leaving for something interesting (or not).
Thanks…we’re onto something. Anything to make all
that stuff more pleasant..;)
Maybe an idea for PUAC one of these days. Food, cooking, comfort food, our parents’ “bad” food, etc. Lots to reminisce about!