President Obama and the Republicans will say that the payroll tax holiday is all about stimulating the economy. But don’t be fooled. According to the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities,extending the Making Work Pay Tax Credit, is a much better, more targeted stimulus. See “Payroll Tax Holiday a Poor Stimulus Idea,” available at this link.
And the Making Work Pay Tax Credit poses no threat to Social Security. The innocent-sounding payroll tax holiday, on the other hand, will lead inexorably to killing Social Security. Let me explain:
Sixty members of the Senate are unwilling to raise taxes by 3 percent on the $250,000 and first dollar (and all those dollars earned above $250.001) of those making over $250,000 and by 1.6 percent more (for a total of 4.6 percent) on the $384,860 and first dollar {and all those dollars earned above $384,861) of those making over $384,860. They are even unwilling to spare everyone making less that one million dollars any increased taxes and simply raise taxes by 4.6 percent on the $1 million and first dollar (and all those dollars earned above $1,000,001 of the nation’s multimillionaires and billionaires. (I say multimillionaires because anyone with a net worth of a few million dollars is not making an annual income of over one million dollars.)
Given that unwillingness to raise taxes by less than a nickel on every dollar earned over $1 million, I find it unfathomable that a more conservative Congress, in two years, in an election year, will increase the payroll tax by 2 percent on the very first dollar, and every other dollar up to the cap, earned by virtually every single worker in the country. Consequently, I think we have to assume that the payroll tax holiday will be extended beyond the two years the president is proposing and quite likely could become permanent.
That means that the federal government will have to continue to transfer $120 billion to the Social Security trust funds each and every year even as it has to transfer more and more interest payments as the trust funds continue to grow and as interest rates return to more normal levels. Unless Congress acts to restore Social Security to solvency, the Treasury bonds held in trust will have to be redeemed, again on top of that new $120 billion transfer from the general fund, starting fifteen years from now, assuming Congress even continues to make the $120 billion every year before that point. These dollars will be competing with dollars for defense, environmental protection, education, school lunches, Food Stamps, Medicare, Medicaid, SSI, Pell grants for low income college students, and every other good and service financed by the federal government.
A permanent two percent cut in Social Security contributions doubles the 75 year projected shortfall. Scrapping the cap (eliminating the $106,800 maximum on earnings), tonally eliminates the shortfall today. If FICA is cut by 2 percent, scrapping the cap gets Social Security only halfway there.
The pressure to cut Social Security in a slow, gradual way for younger workers will be enormous. Progressives will not want to cut benefits for the low-income – and they shouldn’t be cut; they should be increased. Despite the fact that there are few beneficiaries who do not desperately need their Social Security – 2/3rds of the elderly and 70 percent of people receiving disability benefits rely on Social Security for half or more of their income and most people think even more people will be dependent on it in the future – nonetheless, means-testing Social Security will become a viable option. (Eliminating the benefits of those who don’t need them will make no difference to the solvency of Social Security, but will introduce administrative complexity, because it will require everyone claiming benefits to reveal their income and assets, to show they are of insufficient means to get by without it, and will destroy the universal, insurance nature of Social Security.) Changing the benefit formula in the manner proposed by a majority of the Catfood Commission, will appear attractive, even though it would gradually and inexorably eviscerate the benefits of the middle class, and with it, their support for the program.
Conservatives, from the moment Social Security was introduced in 1935, resisted a highly redistributive middle-class program, based on insurance principles. Throughout the past 75 years, they pushed for a program that mainly helped only the very poorest Americans by providing either a means-tested program or a low level of benefits for everyone, if they had to, paid from general revenue, but Democratic politicians were too smart to fall for that. They recognized that, not only did the middle class, not just the very poor, need economic protection in a capitalist system, but also that only programs that had broad based support, which provided meaningful benefits to the middle class, could offer meaningful benefits to the poor, as well. They understood the adage that programs exclusively for the poor made poor programs. One Democrat who understood this all very clearly was the one who created Social Security: President Franklin Roosevelt.
FDR recognized that a visible dedicated contribution makes it both politically and morally difficult for future politicians to cut Social Security. When pressed about the impact of payroll taxes on the economy, FDR said:
“I guess you’re right on the economics. They are politics all the way through. We put those pay roll contributions there so as to give the contributors a legal, moral, and political right to collect their pensions and their unemployment benefits. With those taxes in there, no damn politician can ever scrap my social security program. Those taxes aren’t a matter of economics, they’re straight politics.”
The fact that the Republican idea of scrapping the payroll tax is being touted as a concession made to the Democrats by the Republicans, shows just how hapless and clueless President Obama and his advisers are. Today’s Democrats seem to be able to win electorally when the Republicans start two endless wars and destroy the economy but they seem incapable of presenting a compelling vision of what they are for. Social Security is the nation’s most progressive program, but it is not a progressive issue. It is overwhelmingly popular with the vast majority of the American people, including the Tea Partiers. Today’s Democrats fail to understand the program, and so are not only blind to subtle assaults against it, but seem to conspire in those assaults. All I can say is that with the Republicans and the Democratic President, perhaps unwittingly, conspiring to destroy Social Security, the American people don’t stand a chance.
Good bye, Social Security. You did a great job for 75 years. Apparently, the President is ready to pull the plug on you, if not on Grandma herself.
Nancy Altman is the co-director of Social Security Works.



89 Comments

Thanks for this post, Nancy. It boggles the mind what this White House is doing to our most successful social program that even Republicans like.
Just who exactly is passing this legislation? The Senate? The House?
The oligarchy’s man, Obama, is on track to do more damage to the American way of life than either George W. Bush or Osama bin Laden ever dreamed that they could. Obama is a clear and present danger. Peace
you can view it that way or view it as the $800 million stimulus program that cant be passed any other way. And without an improved economy the goopers rule in 2012.
We will need real spine and pressure to ensure that there is the will to restore the tax in 2012.
It is what the election will be about. start making calls NOW.
$800 billion….
It is absolutely unbelievable… I never thought I would see something like this happen under a Democratic [sic] administration.
Yep. Surprised I hadn’t figured this out for myself. SS: R.I.P.
The Republicans have set a trap for Obama. The 2% cut in the payroll tax is a time-bomb set up to destroy the solvency of Social Security. As the Social Security fund is depleted because of this payroll tax cut, the Republicans will argue that Social Security must be “reformed” or privatized. Obama will be unable to reinstate the 2% because the Republicans will claim he is trying to raise taxes on the middle class. Obama is an arrogant fool to fall for this ploy.
You’re assuming it isn’t Obama who set a trap for us. It is afterall his Catfood Commission, not theirs.
The Obama administration could not get congress to set this in motion through a deficit commission, so Obama created the deficit commission by executive order. When the Catfood commission was unable to obtain the required 14 out of 18 votes to submit its report to Congress, the president subverted that requirement and is asking for the Catfood Commission’s report to get a vote anyway. Now that he has agreed to restore tax cuts for the rich, his argument about the deficits makes no sense as he is giving away 700 billion borrowed dollars to the rich. But he can subvert Social Security by defunding it. Hence his ‘stimulus’ proposal to cut the payroll (Social Security) taxes by 2%. The rationales change but he moves unswaveringly toward the goal of gutting/weakening Social Security.
Obama fell for nothing. He is a full partner and willing participant in this trick being played on “we the people” and authored by the oligarchy. Peace
Obama is a republican, so Obama and his buddies who are all republicans have set a trap for democrats
can we just end the idea that OBAMA is a democrat. Please
You are correct. Obama is a snake in sheeps clothing. Peace
Republican—-Democrat—it’s all the same thing. That is the idea that we must all embrace. Peace
If you listen to Joe Scarborough (which I don’t recommend doing), Obama is a radical Progressive who just moved to the right with his tax deal.
Obama Kidnaps Self. Demands Ransom.
Gene Sperling (asst Treasury Secretary) on MSNBC the Rundown just slipped up.
(i’m paraphrasing, will send link as soon as it goes up)
Chuck Todd : “you are going to add to the deficit by 900 billion”
Sperling : “no it’s not additional”
Todd: “but you had budgeted without this”
Sperling: “no we always knew all along this was going to happen”
So much for “we were taken hostage”…Obama kidnapped himself and sent the ransom note.
never mind…it is weighted to heavily to the rich and stim stalls out at end of 2011
see krugman
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/
and dems lack the spine to restore the SS cuts.
What I worry about is how losing $300-400 a week in UI means to millions. This loss is real pain–loss of shelter and food and clothes for millions. The Goops have taken hostages and we are negotiating with terrorists.
The last vestiges of a civil society are being unraveled before our eyes.
FYI, I quoted Nancy last night on the PBS News Hour:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klLnrUw3yCA
She’s the one I trust on this issue above all others. She knows more than anyone, and has never been wrong.
thanks for info Nancy, we will share this with our members ASAP
:)
Every move obama makes will punish your children for the sins of the baby boomers.I remember when the baby boomers took over leadership of the carpenters union.The baby boomers in charge bribed ower business agents while selling out the future carpenters of America.
Thanks for the post Nancy. I guess when he realized he couldn’t kill it directly President
BushObama decided to go for the death by back door method.I knew it the minute he caved on the tax cuts…in 6 months ( or less) they’ll be screaming about the deficit again….expecting us to have forgotten he just gave away the farm so he could do exactly this.
Obama is destroying the democratic party; that’s why he was put in there.
And the sins of the boomers were to challenge the authority of the government. They’re gonna pay us back now for all those social movements.
IMO, this entire tax debacle is illegal. Obama has shortchanged his Dem Congress! He made the bargain, stated what he wanted with the repugs, and went over the heads of congress.
We might as well send them all home with no pay. There is no need to have a two party system on Capitol Hill, when one party is railroaded on every issue.
great info!
Progressives need to understand the enemy we are currently dealing with.
What you just wrote says it all
the Kabuki on the tax cuts started back in the summer
a rational democratic president, would have made tax cuts a huge part of the mid-terms. Not Obama
Obama held un-employment hostage, so he could use it in the lame duck to get tax cuts for the ultra rich.
What a lot of people have problem with when it comes to OBAMA, they think he is a nice guy, well he is not! Obama is a very ruthless, cold blooded, elite tool with one mission destroy the USA middle class.
a normal person does not operate like Obama,
1st Obama is committing political suicide, and does not care
2nd Obama actions are to easy to read, un-like Clinton who was more calculating, Obama full steam ahead, everybody be dam
Obama needs to resign or be impeached for betraying the peoples’ trust.
As each day passes I cannot believe I voted and fought for this guy. I feel like such a fool….
Seems like we had the wool pulled over our eyes in 2008. Obama a Republican with a D after his name.
I wouldn’t write SS off quite yet, the very same Tea Partiers that rail against big government are also SS recipients. Give them something concrete to fight against and they could be a formidable force.
I also don’t believe the public will go for it, this is just the type of thing that would bring the people out into the streets.
That’s a biga bingo, Margaret … you done got the bullseye, dead center.
DW
It is about time that we begin to phase out entitlements, especially SS. The Supreme Court has ruled time and time again that SS was never promised to anyone after the first wave of recipients. Most G-Mas and G-Pas have plenty of money to live a fair retirement..if they so choose to retire..most get retirement pay..But those who do not perhaps do not need to retire. I think it a worthy argument to begin to discuss the phase out of the retirement idea. After all in the animal kingdom, which we are a part of, those who retire, are thrown out of the group. Those who do not pull their own weight are also thrown out.
A most-excellent, timely and devastatingly accurate post, Nancy.
Hope to see you posting here often, in future. None of this assault on reason and humanity is about to go away, indeed, it hasn’t been fully “ramped up” (or “sexed up” as the Brits are wont to say) yet and ALL the serious, gravatas-filled Wisdoms are going to, “reluctantly”, they will claim, go along … “for the good of society …”
DW
Hate to say it but the Tea Partiers are currently being brain washed to give up Soc Sec & Medicare mainly by Glenn Beck, but also others of his ilk. The reason why Beck has turned himself into a tent show revival preacher is that the message is: Soc Sec & Medicare are teh eeeevul dreaded socialism, and all “good Christians” should just pray to Jeebus for their needs to be met.
Not kidding around. My fundie rightwing family is spouting this. Don’t expect Tea Partiers to protest. They are presently rolling over & joyously getting ready to take it without lube.
Are you volunteering to go sit on an ice flow first?
Stick ‘em on the ice floes and let Gawd sort ‘em out, eh, Kumari.
Bet you think it unfair that the rich are the whipping boys for the socialist failures of the last forty years … would that be “right”?
DW
The Tea Partiers are not rational.
They think they deserve their SS, unlike those “others.”
So cutting SS won’t affect them.
“We will need real spine and pressure to ensure that there is the will to restore the tax in 2012.” Pressure whom? Obama doesn’t listen to anything we say.
What Supreme Court case was that?
Spot on comment -
who would have thought a Democrat would demand that the dedicated Social Security payroll tax be treated as just part of the Federal Income Tax and that Social Security be treated as welfare.
If the Democrats do not kill this deal they are not worth supporting.
Scapegoating a whole generation of people is BS!
I do not want a Payroll Tax Holiday. I do not want to op-out of it.
This needs a loud voice.
Jane, recall the Cat Food Commission. It appears they did a switch and bait in hopes we would not catch this.
Petition this now.
They’ll go along, watch. After this cave and the effort here to gut SSI and the new Nafta with Korea you’d think a few Dems. on the more Progressive side might be starting to realize what a “wolf in sheep’s clothing” Barry is turning out to be. But politics in DC doesn’t work that way. He’s still “their” President and viewed as the Capt. of “their” Blue team and they have to support him no matter what is how it works. Don’t expect any spine from the Dems. on any of this.
“It being” Social Security.
I’m not absolutely sure, but I think it might be “McConnell’s Crack Pipe vs. Boehner’s Fevered Wet Dreams.” I’ll have to look it up.
That should be “bait and switch.”
More coffee needed.
“I think it a worthy argument to begin to discuss the phase out of the retirement idea.”
Good idea. Let’s say you’re working on the foundation of a brand new building and you drop dead of old age, your co-workers can just pour concrete over you and voila! You become a part of the building. Saves on all those pesky burial costs, too.
What color is the sky in your world?
Ms. Altman: Extraordinary analysis. It deserves wide circulation. Thank you.
“The fact that the Republican idea of scrapping the payroll tax is being touted as a concession made to the Democrats by the Republicans, shows just how hapless and clueless President Obama and his advisers are. ”
That assumes that Obama does not want to put Social Security in danger. But why should we think that? He created the Catfood Commission, after all.
People say Obama won’t fight, or can’t fight, or doesn’t know how to fight. Nonsense. He fought for the Catfood Commission, he fought for TARP when he was a senator, he fought for Ben Bernanke. It’s becoming more and more obvious that he just doesn’t believe in what we believe.
Joe Scar needs to go back to lying about his dead office worker.
When Chuck-fricking-TODD gets it, you know just what a screw job it is.
Anyone else notice that Limbaugh and other right-wingers have been oddly silent on this thing? They don’t dare jeopardize it.
What I see happening is that kicking the tax cuts down the road by two years will allow a Republican Prez and congress to make them permanent. This will serve to allow World Bank and the IMF to impose the austerity measures that are being protested in Europe now. The real reason that the US opposes Venezuela’s Chavez is because he paid off IMF and World Bank and kicked them out of Venezuela. He then organised other Latin American countries pay off their loans even to the extent of loaning them money to do it. South America is IMF and World Bank free and the money pigs cannot stand it. America is being asassinated one piece at a time. I am old and do not have far to go but most others do. You will experience these measures while I may only see the beginning. As I said I am old and that allows me the perspective to read the writing on the wall. It is 1984 again…
“Good bye, Social Security. You did a great job for 75 years. Apparently, the President is ready to pull the plug on you, if not on Grandma herself.” – Really???
I didn’t read your entire analysis but I’m sure there are plenty of others who disagree with your analysis.
So what makes you right? I’m speculating you are wrong based on how you ended your piece – extremist statement.
Similar, I might add, to one we heard recently – ‘death panels’… ring a bell?
He also fought for the Baucus Bill to be unsullied by things like upholding choice, the public option, and other things that helped the little folks more than the big corporations. That’s what the whole pretense that reconciliation wouldn’t work was about.
Nice of you to ignore her entire post in favor of making the lamest tone-troll attempt I’ve seen in recent memory. Give us facts and link to debunk her, if you can.
I believe the idea that Obama is capitulating is a convenient mask. His economic policies are Republican — remember that he’s praised Ronald Reagan. His first stimulus was not only too small, but it was fully 30% tax cuts. He is a supply sider. And to further support the hypothesis that the payroll tax holiday is a disguised means of weakening social security in advance of another attack on it, here is a link to a Heritage Foundation article pointing out that a payroll tax would weaken the economic foundation of that program. http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/02/payroll-tax-holiday-adding-to-growing-social-security-deficits Make no mistake. Obama’s Payroll Tax Holiday plan is a trojan horse. Remember all the stats regarding social security going into the red in 2037? Who will protect social security 13 months from now when that figure is advanced by some yet unknown number of years? What if in 2012 it is said that Social Security goes into the red in 20 years, 2032?
Thank you. I listened to Jane on a video with NPR and that was the first I took in about the 2%. What I am grappling with is the lack of candor in this administration. No matter what this president says now, I will not believe him. To the extent that the Democrats are equally untruthful about what they are doing, then they are not a vehicle for good policy. I am not unmindful of the problem of inadvertently helping the GOP, but at the moment standing for truth is the most important thing.
Based on his pro-establishment performance and inability to keep his campaign promises, why would anyone “logically” believe working class Democrats, liberals, progressives, young voters, the LGBT community or left-leaning independents would vote for Obama in 2012? If any of these voting blocs stay home or cast a protest vote against Obama, he can’t get reelected.
What’s Obama going to do to recapture the hearts and minds of the Democrats he’s disaffected by giving the Republicans what they WANT? Make cuts in Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid? Pander to religious fundamentalists and teabaggers? Send more troops to Iraq or Afghanistan? Take more luxurious family vacations, while more Americans are uninsured, unemployed and or forced into homelessness? Is he going to bomb Iran or North Korea? Does he think being a Joe Lieberman type Democrat will garner the support of establishment Republican voters?
Based on his 60 Minutes interview after the midterms, Obama doesn’t seem to understand how deeply his predilection for appeasement politics has alienated Democratic believers. He sometimes gives the impression he thinks Democrats WANT him to compromise with Republicans, when the OPPOSITE is true.
Apparently, the Obama White House believes loyalty is a one-way street. However, liberals and progressives believe it is a two-way street.
Can anyone tell me what Democrats can possibly do to prevent Obama from bringing down the Democratic Party with him in 2012?
Post of the day from dailykos–
A poster stated that he hopes that the birthers are right and that they find that Kenyan birth certificate, pronto!
Here is a fairy tale for anyone who still wants to hang onto Mr. Hope for a little longer:
Once upon a time a Pragmatic Idealist ran for and won the presidency of the realm. He had to make a lot of promises- he even hired his opponent to be his secretary of state. When he was seated he realized that he was up against the entrenched bureaucracy of the last administration- collaborators in an ongoing coup d’etat, who were still intent on running their world-wide protection, extortion, blackmail, and exploitation rackets. He knew it would be suicide to upset the apple cart, so he played along while he slyly found and made real friends. This took about two years- all the while his supporters got angrier and angrier at his weasely ways.
With the help of the few good people in his praetorian guard, he set up a plan to uncoup the coup. He tapped a sleeper who would expose his treacherous state department and the financial criminals who believed they owned him.
With a bio that read like a mind-control manual, and the ability to walk through walls, Mendax, the quirky sleeper, began leaking information that exposed the national security contractors as frauds; the mercenaries as frauds, the state dept workers as lackeys, and the big banks as the criminal syndicates they were.
The president fired the state dept. He fired the alphabet spooks. He stopped private military contracts, and the wars they craved. He opened the books. Saying “the nightmare is over”, he apologized for and prosecuted the depraved monsters who tortured and murdered so many.
Most of all, he gained respect and got universal health care passed, which was paid for with war money and taxes on security exchanges.
The End
It appears to me that the one core principle that underlies all of Obama’s actions is the desire maintain his position in the middle of the debate — to be seen as neither far right nor progressive. I would suggest to progressive leaders that they could gain the most leverage by pushing him out of that position — by secretly threatening him with a bill of impeachment. If it contained one simple charge — that his administration hid crimes by the big banks which funded his campaign, something that could easily be understood by the public if publicized, and if the house progressive caucus could show all its members would vote for it, Obama would have to move to the left, because the progressive caucus plus the republicans would have enough votes to force a senate trial. I think that the danger to the middle class is so great now, and Obama is such a danger to progressives, that it’s time to get serious.
Don’t assume Obama even wants to get reelected. Destroying the Democratic party is all part of the plan, as Obama offers himself as the sacrificial lamb one-termer to the corporatist cause.
He didn’t dare lean on Lieberman or Lincoln for their oppositions to the public option, be he pressured Kucinich even though his vote wasn’t really needed.
The gutting of SS will only apply to those who are 20 years from retirement, so current recipients will not be affected by cuts.
This will allow the TPers to operate in “I got mine. Tough luck for you, sucker” mode.
In other words, under this current crisis of late capitalism, a compromise rationale intended to solve an earlier crisis no longer suffices. Like many other great left liberal accomplishments, it assumes a lower level of moral and social development in favor of getting what can be gotten – a social safety net held up by unenlightened self-interest – but trades away the possibility of something better. That’s a valid, hard-headed and realistic choice, or was in the 1930s, but there’s no reason to believe that the deal, the white lie, will remain forever unexposed, and that the negotiation won’t have to be done again, under conditions that are superficially even less favorable. Social Security conserves capitalism better than capitalism itself does. It protects capitalism against itself. But it can’t protect America from reality.
Excellent post. Thanks, Altman!
Thanks Nancy.
nothing’s shocking anymore.
That would be right..Socialism fails because you always run out of others money..We’re broke..get over it and get to work..be a giver, not a taker..Believe me, you will be happier
There is proof positive that the longer the unemployment checks are written, the longer it takes the unemployed to get back to work.. The longer they are out of work, the less skilled they become and the harder it is for them to re-enter the workforce.
Secondly, it is no ones right to retire. As long as we are here on this earth, we are required to contribute.
Unfortunately you miss the entire point.
In a functioning democratic government the sole power we have over politicians is the power to take away their power… the power to vote them out of office.
Human nature being what it is, the desire to acquire prestige and power etc, this can be sufficient… in a functioning democratic government.
But we live in a plutocratic oligarchy attempting to recreate a genuine aristocracy… definitely not a functioning democratic government.
And our lords and masters have so thoroughly corrupted and co-opted the safeguards that used to be built into the government that it has been a simple matter for them to fashion and deliver a one-shot weapon to destroy the last remnants of their most deadly foe… the middle class.
Obama is one such weapon.
Obama does not care if he’s reelected. And he has stated as much.
And if he fails he’ll still retire in wealth and comfort while the next weapon is puffed and fluffed and presented to the public as their only hope.
Who would it be? Well… how many Dems have suddenly turned around and supported something they’d previously said was unsupportable?
Our lords and masters have many such weapons standing by… each one eagerly vying for the chance to strut their stuff for our owners.
Well, as far as failing goes, capitalism died about 100 years ago…
you see, we’ve moved on from the poor as the whipping boy to people who have contributed to a retirement system and now want thier benefits for that.
Fuck you, you are the new bums !!!!
Had a job and lost it? YOu have to understand, I’m doing nothing for you for your own good.
Don’t like it? You’re a parasite, and a leech.
it’s fucking unbelievable.
they’re working thier way up the working class…
And of course he doesn’t respond. Typical.
So here is my guess about how ‘O’ will frame his SS position: He is saving SS for future generations. People who oppose his policy are greedy geezers or advocates for geedy geezers. The hearts of those on the left may bleed but he’s gotta do what he’s gotta do. Which is to destroy SS. (For the good of future generations,)
And with respect to the ‘greedy geezer’ argument, a version of which I just read in a print edition of the New Yorker: Haven’t the geezers been paying into the SS system for their entire working lives? Don’t they get some credit for that?
As a 28 year old tax payer, I’d opt out of SS in a heart-beat if it was offered, and I know many of my friends who feel the same. I’m not making an argument, just offering some anecdotal evidence that sales-pitch won’t have to be particularly compelling to win over some members of the younger generation.
Are any of you going to pay Obama $100,000 a speech once he leaves office, or will you leave that to the corporate CEOs (bankers, insurers, oil men, global manufacturers)? Obama knows who will be buttering his bread, so he gives a great, big, loud “kiss my ass” to y’all.
Really, the best option here is to get rid of FICA and SECA taxes and unify them with the income tax. We have a unified federal budget — the taxes used to pay for entitlements should be unified as well.
They’d need to eliminate the employer’s share, and it would take legislation to force all employers to increase gross wages by 7.65% to compensate for that. Then bump each of the federal income tax brackets by the full 15.3%. In doing so, the cap on taxable SS earnings goes away and the revenue collected will increase.
Why do you really want a dedicated payroll tax? Having that dedicated tax gives the illusion to people (e.g. Tea Baggers) who think that Social Security is a glorified savings account rather than the entitlement program that it is. It also gives weight to the argument that the cap on income taxed for SS should be capped at $106,800. Unifying SS & Medicare taxes into the Federal Income Tax kills both of those problems with one stone.
No.
Next question?
Hey Jedi, how about we end the idea that there’s a difference between the two parties . .
And accept that the corporate fascist oligarch owns ALL our elected offals and owns all our systems of governance . . . including our social service systems which will be gutted fully before our time on this rock is over . . for me that’s uh, 2040 if I die AT 87 . . .
We are witnessing the greatest pillage and plunder of the planet AND its humans since mankind began villages to live in for cooperative purpose.
Sorry, the over all political, econ and social news past two days is so devastating as to nearly floor me . . . the ongoing onslaught on our personal liberties and existence is incredibly brutal and feels like an anvil on the chest fallen from 15 floors . . . .
Dawg help those worse off than me who don’t have shelter, food or much else this time of year . . . and the millions who are just one step away from being homeless . .
Fuckin FEMA camps should be open, with cots and heat, food and a place to go for those in need . . . feeding the millions of families who have a roof but no money for food or medical help . . .
Damn I’m depressed, and pissed.
Jane, great comment, thanks for sharing . . . it’s just getting brutal, every day is worse news . . . and I BARELY understand this thread’s author’s point about SS going in the toilet . . but apparently others do.
Phookin shit we’re screwed as it all collapses, with no jobs . . . jobs, the one thing that would save it all . . . but the elite don’t want that.
Thanks, I almost understand the kabuki in play now . . . I KNOW Obama is killin us . . but on this one per the diary author and comments I just didn’t get HOW he was doing it WRT this issue of SS . . .
Really a great summation in simpler terms, and I appreciate it.
Yep. N it hurts to feel it and watch it happen to others, as well.
Dear Mods: I hope you will appreciate I didn’t respond.
*G*
Well, sure, but then you and your pals have probably never had the experience of seeing about half your hard earned money in your 401K go bye-bye in one of those bad markets that come along every so often, and with it, any hope of a truly enjoyable retirement…
and while we’re at it, that Nancy Pelosi is a ”liberal”
Yep, that’s the case…
If Lieberman’s a democrat, I’m a Porsche 911…
I know they won’t do it, but wow, wouldn’t we have a dynamic government
if they did.
Screw a 401(k), just because I would forego social security doesn’t mean I’m reckless. If I pump 6k/yr (plus whatever arcane cola formula SS uses) into an annuity until I retire, I’ll end up with a hell of a lot more than SS benefits.
… spammers is being spammers…
OK. I’m embarrassed to ask this, but isn’t the payroll tax different than SS? There are two separate boxes on the paycheck.
It’s a 30% cut in the payroll tax. Two percentage points. Not 2%.