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Dorner Claims Racism, Harassment and Corruption Launched His Blood Feud Against The LAPD
LOS ANGELES – At first glance it seemed excessive, even for the LAPD. Heavily armed protective details – on the look-out for a fugitive cop killer bent on revenge – unleashed a barrage of bullets on not just one, not two, but three innocent civilians in two separate incidents. The fact that the civilians were female, and could not possibly have been mistaken for the big, black, burly male suspect, has to have raised concern among Los Angelenos, particularly if they drive a blue pickup truck. Apparently, the civilians in both incidents were driving a truck similar to the one that authorities believed was being driven by former LAPD officer Christopher Dorner. Dorner’s burning pickup truck was eventually found on a remote forrest road near Big Bear, California.
When you read his uncensored manifesto – which is rambling but surprisingly lucid as far as mass shooter manifestos go – you will see why the LAPD is so unerved they are shooting at anything that moves. In addition to being a former police officer, the author of the manifesto is a highly trained former Navy reserve lieutenant and Iraq war veteran who the LA Times reports was a member of a mobile inshore undersea warfare unit. Dorner’s manifesto claims he has access to heavy duty military weapons including shoulder-launched surface to air missiles capable of taking out police helicopters, and a Barrett .50 sniper rifle that can be fired accurately out to a distance of half a mile (3,000 feet – 910 m), and beyond. The Barrett is capable of piercing brick and concrete block walls and the exterior of armored personnel carriers. It is used by civilian law enforcement agencies to stop moving vehicles by penetrating and disabling the engine block.
Dorner’s grievances are very detailed, are directed at specific members of the LAPD, and he is very, very angry:
I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own, [so] I am terminating yours. . . . I will conduct DA operations to destroy, exploit and seize designated targets. If unsuccessful or unable to meet objectives in these initial small scale offensive actions, I will reassess my BDA and re-attack until objectives are met. I have nothing to lose. My personal casualty means nothing. Just alike AAF’s, ACM’s, and AIF’s, you can not prevail against an enemy combatant who has no fear of death. An enemy who embraces death is a lose, lose situation for their enemy combatants.
Hopefully your analysts have done your homework. You are aware that I have always been the top shot, highest score, an expert in rifle qualifications in every unit I’ve been in. I will utilize every bit of small arms training, demolition, ordnance, and survival training I’ve been given.
Do you know why we are unsuccessful in asymmetrical and guerrilla warfare in CENTCOM theatre of operations? I’ll tell you. It’s not the inefficiency of our combatant commanders, planning, readiness or training of troops. Much like the Vietnam war, ACM, AAF, foreign fighters, Jihadist, and JAM have nothing to lose. They embrace death as it is a way of life. I simply don’t fear it. I am the walking exigent circumstance you created.
The Violence of action will be HIGH. I am the reason TAC alert was established. I will bring unconventional and asymmetrical warfare to those in LAPD uniform whether on or off duty. ISR is my strength and your weakness. You will now live the life of the prey. Your RD’s and homes away from work will be my AO and battle space. I will utilize every tool within INT collections that I learned from NMITC in Dam Neck. You have misjudged a sleeping giant. There is no conventional threat assessment for me. JAM, New Ba’ath party, 1920 rev BGE, ACM, AAF, AQAP, AQIM and AQIZ have nothing on me. Do not deploy airships or gunships. SA-7 Manpads will be waiting. As you know I also own Barrett .50′s so your APC are defunct and futile.
The LAPD has alleged that the first person Dorner killed was the daughter of the retired LA Police Captain who represented him at his disciplinary hearing. There are now forty individuals being guarded by heavily armed LAPD protective details. LAPD’s initial press conference on the shootings was held in a windowless underground room at LAPD headquarters.
While anonymous members of the LAPD have described Dorner as “wound way too tight” and “one of our problem children” who was “not a team player,” his friends who spoke to the Los Angeles Times described a young man who was intelligent, thoughtful and engaging before he joined the LAPD:
Usera, who grew up in Alaska, said he and Dorner bonded over the feelings of culture shock that came with being outsiders on the predominantly white, Mormon campus. Usera said he introduced Dorner to hunting and other outdoor sports. “He was a typical guy,” he said. “I liked him an awful lot. Nothing about him struck me as violent or irrational in any way. He was opinionated, but always seemed level-headed.” Dorner often brought up race issues and the two had heated, but respectful arguments about the extent of racism in the country, Usera said. “Of all the people I hung out with in college, he is the last guy I would have expected to be in this kind of situation.” Neil Gardner, an assistant athletic director, knew Dorner through football and echoed Usera, saying Dorner was “never a disgruntled guy.”
The interesting thing about Dorner’s manifesto – aside from his affinity for MSNBC Piers Morgan, Anderson Cooper, Bill Clinton and his support of President Obama’s gun control agenda – is that his detailed grievances have the ring of truth. Many of the comments on Reddit, Boy With A Grenade (which republished an uncensored copy of Dorner’s manifesto) and other blogs are oddly supportive of his allegations of LAPD racism, harassment and corruption.
I have represented police officers in employment disputes and have reviewed my share of police reports and LEO-related EEOC complaints. The conduct described in the manifesto is , in my experience, consistent with how an officer can be drummed out of a major metropolitan police department after offending his superiors’ expectations of loyalty and conformity. While nothing justifies Dorner’s actions, either morally or legally, his manifesto raises the question of whether this is a case of the LAPD’s corrupt chickens coming home to roost.
CP from Rule of Wolves.
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Whenever discussions about the LAPD come up, people from that area of the world recount the most Gawd-awful grisly experiences with those men in blue who are paid to “Serve and Protect.” And this example of women being killed for the crime of driving the same colored truck as this perp is yet another example.
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They done f*cked over the wrong dude…! Knowing Militarese, he’s well prepared…! 8-(
Somehow those women in the truck defied the laws of physics and were not killed, although the 71-year-old woman was shot twice.
While anonymous members of the LAPD have described Dorner as “wound way too tight” and “one of our problem children” who was “not a team player,” his friends who spoke to the Los Angeles Times described a young man who was intelligent, thoughtful and engaging before he joined the LAPD… …While nothing justifies Dorner’s actions, either morally or legally, his manifesto raises the question of whether this is a case of the LAPD’s corrupt chickens coming home to roost…
I’d actually posit that it’s War Inc’s chickens coming home to roost…! 8-(
In the back, I understand. How does that happen unless the police are shooting from behind the truck?
War Inc. indeed. They trained him. They sent him to do a job where there was no honor at all–for all the talk of duty, honor, country. They provided an economy in which police work was the only logical possibility. And they have created the paramilitary policing mindset that scripted his break.
Actually it is both War Inc. and LAPD’s chickens coming home to roost–and they are not unrelated. Both have to do with cultures of impunity. And pretensions of justice.
It seems the whole country is “wound way too tight”. The unwinding will be a problem.Especially now that almost everyone is armed. Hang on to your hat. PEACE
The way employee abuse is now more rampant than ever…and our shitty economy increasing everyone’s stress…I’m surprised this doesn’t happen more often.
The PTB were hoping that pepper spray and billy clubs would set off peaceniks, but I guess “you can’t always get whut you want.”
Police departments insist on recruiting their officers from the ranks of ex combat veterans and then they wring their hands and lament, “why, oh why?”, when something like this happens. Here’s the deal cops: A combat veteran perceives everybody and everything as a threat. That doesn’t translate well at all when they are then put into the role of to protect and serve, yet not only do many departments recruit combat veterans, some even accept combat experience in lieu of a degree in law enforcement. That’s not only stupid but fucking stupid.
Actually it was the laws of physics that saved them. Most of those bullets went through the bed, then the cab and the seat before they reached the victims. What they defied was the irresponsible aggressiveness of the trigger happy pigs.
Thank god they were not better shots. The LA police department is out of control and has been for many years.
Amen to that! Those people survived in spite of the LAPD’s best efforts. And fwiw, though it might be possible for somebody who doesn’t know any better to mistake a Toyota Tacoma for a Nissan Titan, how does one mistake bright blue for dark grey and how does one mistake a regular cab for an extended one? Color me glad I don’t live anywhere near LA!
I would agree that it is stupid to ‘insist’ on hiring Vets, but seriously, Peg, what else are they trained for…? They’re sacking the Postal Service, how many other options are left…? 8-(
Besides
BlackwaterXeAcademi, etal…? 8-(I specifically said “combat veterans” and “police forces”. I’m a non combat veteran, like probably eighty or ninety percent of veterans and I somehow managed to find a civilian job, several in fact. I respect you Charles but let’s not start stereotyping people. Veterans are not all proverbial killing machines. In fact, very few are. My objection is about police departments hiring those few and further, allowing combat experience in lieu of a degree in law enforcement. Sorry if I wasn’t clear.
Do you know what pisses me off these days, is why the f*ck… U.S. Air Force Training More Drone, Than Traditional, “Pilots”
…The U.S. Air Force is training more drone “pilots” than those who will be at the controls of traditional aircraft, according to the Air Force chief of staff.
To date, there are reportedly around 1,300 people controlling the Air Force’s arsenal of Reaper, Predator, and Global Hawk drones, and the Pentagon plans to add about 2,500 pilots and support crew by 2014…
And, Brennan is a shoo-in as CIA Chief…! Wtf, over…? 8-(
While it is long, while many of the names are blanked out, Dorner’s manifesto is not that of mad man. An angry man, yes, a man who tried to play by the rules and was pushed over the edge by the actions of a department of which he was part, according to him.
Perhaps I am mistaken, but I have the impression all of this could have been easily avoided if only the people in power at the LAPD had exercised it responsibly and honorably.
Dorner feels he was railroaded, that he lost everything because he stood up for what he though was right, and decided to go out in a blaze of glory in his own eyes.
Again, it appears this could have been avoided very easily by the LAPD itself. What a damned shame.
… allowing combat experience in lieu of a degree in law enforcement… That’s totally ass-backwards, they should still be required to get a degree, that would be a first step in filtering out the serious TBI/PTSD individuals…! Tho, I’m fortunately a non-combat Vet, despite Shrub’s best intentions… I’m well versed in what’s happening to our Vets, in our under-funded, under-staffed, and overwhelmed VA…! 8-(
“That doesn’t translate well at all…”
Wow and yep. And the Achilles heel of whatever hope Petraeus had for a counterinsurgency strategy. To wit: collateral damage is not a consideration.
Calling police officers “pigs” is not helpful.
“A combat veteran perceives everybody and everything as a threat.”
What a load of fly-covered, malodorous, written dung. I am a combat veteran, and No, we don’t all view everything and everyone as a threat. What an absurd, libelous claim.
Talk about painting a group with a broad brush.
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Used to be GI Bill education would answer that question. But in this economy, what exactly do you train for? One of the problems in a lot of African countries is that the military is the only jobs program available. So it’s subsistence farming or military, take your choice. What could go wrong there?
That’s mighty harsh, OB…! 8-(
Guess how the airlines are going to handle workforce problems in the cockpit? From two in the cockpit to none in the cockpit and one poor stiff trying to keep three or four cannisters of 200 people in the air remotely. So the US Air Force is doing what it always has–train the airline pilots of tomorrow.
Ah, technology.
… What could go wrong there?
*heh* X’actly, TD…!
Helpful to whom?
Sorry that didn’t work for you, but it’s a term from our past.
It’s okay, it really is.
*heh* All the while, the poor stiffs will be manuvering those ‘cannisters’ full of peeps, amongst the flotilla of ‘Civilian’ Drones bobbing about, eh…?
If you came straight out a war theater in which there was unknown threat 24/7 and then you went into a police department, how long do you think it would take to adjust your reflexive reactions?
It seems to me that that is what “does not translate well” means. It also seems to me that moving from a war theater to something totally unrelated, like farming or office work or machining, would be easier to translate than to police work. But then that just an informed guess on my part.
Sad to see you needing to be this way towards Margaret.
Wishing you a lighter attitude.
Think “air traffic controllers” with controls in their hands. No ulcers or breakdowns there.
Before we get too far over the edge, let’s remember that this person is threatening the lives of police officers families. Whatever happened, the families had nothing to do with it. That’s what bothers me the most.
Rather ironic that even those ‘Combat’ Drone pilots do experience serious issues, Mentally…!
But, seriously, what kind of havoc are we creating for our current, ill-equipped, and over-burdened Air Traffic Control infrastructure…?
I think that Mark Ames “Going Postal” explains this better than anything. What is truly sad about this case is you can take any chapter in Ames’ book, cross out the name and put in Chris Dorner. There are a number of flaws in Ames’ analysis and Ames himself is not without many faults, but his identification of the root cause of incidents like this, the sadistic workplaces, economic stress, humiliation, lack of community bonds, erosion of rights, … is spot on. “Going Postal” helps explain the phenomenon we see with the LAPD overreacting (to say the least), the MSM painting Dorner as an amoral villan, while public sympathy appears to remain on his side.
…That’s what bothers me the most.
Amen, M’dear…! *g*
Thanks for the correction. I confess I simply could not handle anything of a gory nature, and I thought the headlines about the shooting, and then the photo of the wreckage-that-once-had-been a car meant the women had been killed. Glad to hear they are pulling through.
The classic example of the difference between law enforcement and combat soldiers is the the statement “cover me.” In law enforcement, you watch my back. In combat, you cover everything that could hide an enemy with bullets.
So let me refine the statement for you a bit: some combat personnel perceive anything as a threat.
If you don’t believe me, come to my area for a visit. The guys that staff the local recycling center are mostly vets from Iraq/Afghanistan multi-tours and multi-missions. And one guy’s mission involved him and his buddies shooting their magazines until every last shell was spent, at the outline of a body of a dying Iraqi prisoner. Believe me when I say he’s not someone I would hope to see on patrol as a Highway patrol man or a local cop.
As a person who lives in Torrance, CA (population 133,000), the end is not in dispute. All that matters is how much this will cost us before it is over. Since the cops that shot the two women are police in my town, I expect that they will get about a $6.5 million dollar settlement. That means $50 from every resident due to poor judgment.
The whole drama bothers me. You can see fairly clearly where this guy was coming from, but what is bothersome is why did he snap and why haven’t many others? Once that snap occurs, all of the deaths deliberately resulting from his actions or negligently resulting from the LAPD’s cluelessness are just collateral damage.
In a very perverse way, Dorner is doing what he was trained to do. Exactly and mechanically–values, strategy, tactics–the whole ball of wax.
We need to focus on his personal responsibility and empathy without ignoring the personal responsibility and empathy (or lack thereof) of everyone in his environment who tolerated gratuitous abuse and killing. The social imperative standing before our own response mitigates too judgmental a focus on his break (not sure it can really be called a decision, although moralist will call it that).
I would not presume to judge the “why” but one thing is sure – the police will kill him if they can find him and no one will say a word against them. Everything we have always believed is turned upside down. Whether he is judged to be completely insane or just angry, all I can say is poor man and where do the rest of us go from here.
…Dorner is doing what he was trained to do. Exactly and mechanically–values, strategy, tactics–the whole ball of wax…
True, and that whole ball of wax needs to be unraveled…! 8-(
I find the conduct of the LAPD to be so dangerous, as to want the police chief out now, and for the US Attorney General to offer safe arrest for Dorner. They clearly intend to execute him on sight, and any citizens that are nearby, too damned bad. They cannot conduct themselves as an armed drug gang…..this is outrageous……what the hell have we become that we knowlingly let our civilian police act as judge, jury, and executioner. particularly when they have a dog in the fight…..damn.
I’m postive that he will indeed be killed, Twain, but, I do so hope I’m wrong…! 8-(
There are some definite disconnects with the fact being reported.
In what way is a Navy lieutenant a combat veteran subject to the sort of battlefield stresses that a lot of folks are suggesting? It seems that his sharpshooting was in the Navy but there is not indication of anything approaching SEAL training. Somthing to unravel.
Interviews with college buddies are that he wasn’t terribly outdoorsy, went hunting; not sure he actually fired a gun. Yes, life changes after college. Another yarn to unravel.
Which means that the news reports are suggesting fabrication of events in the manifesto, as if the manifesto is a Walter Mitty statement. And people who’ve read the whole this report on other blogs that there are some disconnects in the document. Like hard reality and fantasy all sliced and diced. No doubt some of this is disinformation of psychological manipulation on the part of the authorities hoping he’s reading his press. We should be aware of this fog.
He could have walked from San Bernardino to Mexico by now. Through the Cleveland Nation Forest for most of the way.
Depending on the combat experience, it can take years. I wasn’t in the 24-7 “threat environment” many ground troops were in, but I fell flat on the sidewalk every time a jackhammer went off for several years after I got back from the Persian Gulf. Why? Because jackhammers sound remarkably like .50 caliber machine guns.
I got over it and no longer jump at the sound. I don’t know what this Dorner fellow went through. I don’t think it matters much. To say, as another poster did, that a combat veteran perceives everything and everyone as a threat, with the implication that they’re all batshit crazy and will just fly off the handle and start killing people, well, that’s just not true.
I don’t think it’s any more accurate, or fair, to paint combat veterans with the psychokiller-crazy broad brush than it is to paint LGBT people with the pervert brush. Both brushes are just ugly and wrong, from whatever or whoever the source.
What I gleaned from the diary entry and from Dorner’s own no doubt last epistle has everything to do with his experience in the LAPD, not the military. At least that’s what I got from it. There is no evidence to back up a claim that he would not have done the same thing if he had never been in the military.
Au Contraire, Mon Frere…! As a MIUWU member, he was trained almost to the level of a SEAL member, on the Army side, I’d liken it to a Ranger level, but, not the Green Beret level…!
Here’s my say. No more rewrites. I’m not a propagada artist for the mass media. I’m your average nobody.
This man will die. It’s a given. He will be killed, put down like an animal. The question is: Can he rock their world before he does? We aren’t talking about some crackpot that has gone looney tunes or around the bend, not really. He was a good cop that tried to get some bad cops weeded out. We’re talking about a police force with members that kill women, children, the elderly, the disabled and others and always finds some poor excuse for their behavior. They’re rarely charged, never convicted. Some have practiced what could be called ‘legal murder’ rather openly. They would be charged if those in charge weren’t too afraid to do so or too apathtic and those in charge weren’t at the ready with another lame excuse. I’m talking about a police force that’s excused wrongful killing by some of their officers over the last thirty years. And it has developed into an acceptable mindset where the good cops can’t get the bad cops weeded out of the force. So now it’s changed from a police force into a police farce. When criminal acts become an acceptable part of the norm by those in charge there will always be a spiritual repurcussion, a backlash. And what is happening now is part and parsel of that spiritual repurcussion. Anyone could see it coming from a decade ago. The only question was when would the lid boil off the pot. You see it isn’t a spiritual repurcussion in the form of an external act, it’s a reaction that’s more of the kind typical of an internal reaction within the force itself. Ex-cop vs cop. So can this man rock their world? A lot of people should think not and have their doubts because he would have to probably kill over a hundred of the bad cops. He never will and it will never be the right ones. And no one should kill. And 30 years of being oblivious to that can’t be corrected by killing or any other means. No one can set the clock back, but LAPD, here’s a hint, you don’t always have to go for the head shot, the kill shot. That’s a really bad standard for officers who should only unholster their weapon when absolutely necessary. But can anyone go forward from here in the right manner without Dorner rocking their world? I doubt that too. So maybe God will help him. Not that God will help him kill but maybe God will give him time he normally wouldn’t have. Breathing room to diffuse this. Time to let the air out of the balloon. It’s too bad that there aren’t a thousand more good cops to help him because he’s battling monsters. Not just the kind that are his own internal monsters of the mind but real, external monsters that hold a badge and a gun and commit murder with impunity because ordinary people and those in charge either won’t speak up or are too scared to speak up. He doesn’t see the real reason for this thing that’s happening, this spiritual repurcussion, only his small part in it. So God bless him. This is almost Biblical. That’s a funny thing to say considering he doesn’t care about God, Jesus, or the Bible and his actions are demonstrating that. But can he be like the Batman rising up against a big, evil, corrupt, police farce and eventually foil them? One guy versus thousands. He has their attention. Is he someone who battles cowards that would riddle two innocent women with bullets who are delivering newspapers, just sitting in their vehicle? Another crime that will never be prosecuted. One more crime among hundreds, nay, thousands. After all, the cowards that lit these two women up can’t even be expected to be able to differentiate between the sexes. Who can tell the difference between a 71 year old woman and a black guy, a black ex-cop they have identification for, not the LAPD, so once again they’re not guilty of anything. Not even of taking the head shot. They might have to pull desk duty for a couple of days and lose a paycheck. NOT!! Still, maybe someone in some small way can reach out and give Dorner help and hope in his fruitless endeavor. If not, he only has God. And the mystery of God can work wonders. Maybe that will be enough. This didn’t happen in a vacuum. This was 30 years in coming. For these are the monsters of America. Monsters that are normally invisible to the public if you and your family want to go on living unaccosted. Monsters who will put him down like an animal because the bad cops are here to stay, so full speed ahead, and damn the torpedoes. It’s been like the powers that be have been sleep walking in their duty for over the last 30 years. They have acted like they are walking around in a dream. Well now the dream’s become their nightmare. Surprise, surprise, (but not really), someone finally stood up, stands in the breach and tries to cast a light upon their darkness. It isn’t Dirty Harry that he’s up against. He’s up against the wicked who will answer one way or another when their time comes. The chaff to be thrown on a pile and burned in a fire that never extinguishes. All I’m saying is that there are good cops and bad cops. And he’s the ugly. Right Clint?
I did not read your comment because there are no paragraphs. And I’m not the only one, though I might be the only one who comes out and says so.
Look. When most people see a big block of letters on a thread or a blog, they’re just gonna skip it. Break it up. Make it easier on the eye.
You’ll get more responses that way. OTOH, if you don’t WANT any responses, keep it up.
*heh* Ironically, I failed Q school for physical reasons, broken leg, and then failed on my Hawaii County PD psych eval, for being too Liberal in my views…! Wtf, over…?
There isn’t any real positive take on this unfolding situation except that it has struck fear into the hearts of the LAPD. These arrogant storm troopers are on the recieving end of the pointy stick and their reckless gunning of innocents just shows what cowards they are.
I should add that it isn’t bs, I was serving with half of HPD police force at the time(in the HI.NG.), and, I’d made it thru 2/3rds of their program, with the P.E. the last step, and, they all told me, to the man; ‘Ya gave the wrong answer’…! D’oh…!
Hunh. This article says the police are re-opening the case of Dorner’s firing. Well, at least they’re getting the message that the public is on to their corruption.
http://moorpark.patch.com/articles/manhunt-feds-join-hunt-for-dorner-firing-to-be-probed
Christopher Dorner appears to be a real life John Rambo. Not a bully, but if you push him, he pushes back, hard.
Just like in the movie, when the Rambo guy gets screwed over by the good old boy’s club, at first he tolerates it, but eventually he hits back. Unlike the movie, the violence is real.
Unfortunately, the most fictional element of this ongoing tragedy is the LAPD’s commitment to personal integrity and the letter of the law. Rampart and Rodney King revealed the moral and ethical sewage of this organization. Looks like things are even worse today.
Sooner or later, the LAPD will kill Christopher Dorner. No trials, no extended hearings that embarrass the department. That’s the inevitable conclusion of this drama. Dorner obviously understands this; his determination to exact revenge on his tormentors is all he’s got left. I hope people read his manifesto. It has a ring of truth to it. None of it excuses the Dorner’s killing spree, but it is instructive to know that there are people in the world, not bullies, but who hit back.
… No trials, no extended hearings that embarrass the department. That’s the inevitable conclusion of this drama…
They can’t afford the embarassment of another Timothy McVeigh, locally and/or federally…! 8-(
agree!
The LAPD is totally out of control. They’ve been killing people unnecessarily for years. Dorner was trying to get that to stop. What he tried by the book didn’t work because LAPD is too corrupt.
I personally don’t fault him. I fault the LAPD. I’m furious myself. And frustrated. If I was in his situation, with his experience and training, I might well behave exactly as he is.
They will kill him instead of running a clean police department. Where is the mayor and city council in all of this?
I read the entire posting of mikebar @ 49 and did not mind the lack of paragraphs etc. I grew up in Torrance and my nearby neighbor was in the LAPD. When he later joined the vice-squad he changed — for the worse.
It was uncomfortable to read mikebar without paragraphs, but I’ve read it. He’s posted this other places too with the same lack of format. I think I’ve read it three times now.
Well worth reading even though it’s not comfortable.
They shot people in the back for driving a particular kind of truck.
How would you describe that?
Or Osama bin Laden.
Psychological testing on a regular basis would seem a good idea for police officers, who themselves can become very well-armed and deadly.
I think of him as “David”
When the jury let OJ off, I figured it was them, in their little way, of telling off the corrupt LAPD. Obviously message not received. Maybe this time?