9:30am 8/15/11 Breaking NOW: FBI Agent Just Revealed that the “Osama bin Laden” Body Had the WRONG Fingerprints — by Norman B (“Deviations from the Norm”)
This morning’s guest on C-SPAN’s Washington Journal, author and retired FBI Agent Ronald Kessler, just revealed that the person called “Osama bin Laden” who was Assassinated by Navy Seals did not have Osama bin Laden’s fingerprints, which were on file with the FBI. This may explain why the Navy Seals destroyed the body with a “traditional sea burial.”
President Barack Obama, Vice President Joe Biden, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and many other high ranking Cabinet officials, as well as Intelligence and Military officials, participated in the Conspiracy to Murder the man who lived very near a US-subsidized Military base in Pakistan. After the Murder, the President and others went on to tell the world that the operation had killed bin Laden, despite fingerprint evidence disproving that assertion.
After the President’s announcement, his office and the US Military quickly changed their official version of the story at least five times during the night, finally settling on the most preposterous version of all: That the Navy Seals had destroyed the body via sea burial to be reverent and respectful of the sea burial tradition of bin Laden’s ancestry. The bin Laden family is from Saudi Arabia, and from Yemen before that. Those are desert countries. Sea burial tradition. Preposterous.
By morning, the daughter of a famous Republican diplomat, Mika Brzezinski, on MSNBC’s Morning Joe wondered aloud “Now, it doesn’t take away from what they did, but why didn’t they get their story straight?” Yes, Mika, it does take away from what they did. And if they were telling the truth, they wouldn’t need to tell a story or to get it “straight.” In Virginia and North Carolina (where the Navy Seals are based and trained, and where the TV show was broadcast), telling a story means telling a lie!
The show’s host, disgraced former Florida Republican US Congressman “Joe the Dumb Guy” Scarborough, and others on the show, immediately pushed the propaganda line that everyone on television news and pseudo-news now had to promote: On the Administration’s and the Navy Seals’ latest lie about the illegal Lynching of the so-called “Osama bin Laden,” if you don’t believe this newest lie, then you’re a crazy wack-o conspiracy buff!
Within days, Bill Maher had jumped on the propaganda bandwagon on his show Real Time by attacking conspiracy crazies. Anyone would have to be crazy not to believe lying cowardly Murderers who destroy evidence.
The bin Laden Oil family has long been close with the Bushes. Both families are heavily invested in Oil and related industries, so both families make money anytime the US Military does anything, but especially when those Military moves involve Oil countries or their neighbors. That is because the US Military is the world’s largest buyer of Oil, thus every Military move by the US makes money for all Oil investors. Simple math.
Eight days after 9/11/01, US airspace was declared a No-Fly zone for all civilian aircraft except the Ryan Airlines flight moving bin Laden family members, to make them safe from the American people. Osama bin Laden’s brother Shafiq bin Laden was on that flight. He had spent 9/11 at the Carlyle Group meeting with former US President George H.W. Bush (father of then-Pres. Bush).
Osama bin Laden’s other brother, Salem bin Laden, was an investor in President George W. Bush’s Arbusto Energy, an Oil company that was an early proponent of Oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. After giving money to the future President, Salem bin Laden died mysteriously in Texas.
Osama bin Laden waged war as a CIA Asset, to defend Afghanistan against the Soviet Invasion during the Carter Presidency. The US got more than it bargained for: Osama bin Laden turned out to be a brilliant strategist: Armed by the US, bin Laden’s fighters were able to thoroughly impoverish the Soviet Union, which fell soon thereafter.
Then, through the War on Terror/War on Muslims, Osama bin Laden’s strategy thoroughly impoverished the United States with apparently unwitting cooperation from Presidents G.W. Bush and Obama (the man whom GWB’s actions, intentionally or not, helped to install).
Counter-terrorism and Intelligence expert Richard Clarke, the former US diplomat, recently revealed that the CIA contacted the 9/11 hijackers to recruit them before the attack. (See David Dayen’s FDL Roundup for Aug. 11 & links below.) In the days following the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden released videos denying involvement in the attacks, but did say he that Allah was punishing the US. This was the beginning of his television propaganda career.
Apparently still working as an Intelligence Asset, bin Laden then started releasing videos aimed at aiding the electoral hopes of his brother’s business associate. The long-running series’ most famous episode was the “October Surprise” video, released a few days before Election Day 2004 – the day former bin Laden associate G.W. Bush stood for reelection. The video brought a late rush of voters and monetary support to Bush, who won the controversial election.
The next electoral video, calculated to help usher far-Right ideologues into the US House of Representatives, came out four months before the midterm election, wherein the Republicans did take back the House. Bin Laden also put out recordings in 2008. He had a long-running video and audio career, successful in brainwashing Americans. So successful, that when his Lynching was announced, Americans celebrated their loss of rights, and the new outlaw status of their President. They acted as if what they had seen on TV made it OK for the President to sanction Murder. It did not.
After the Murder (on Obama’s orders) of the man whom President Obama called “Osama bin Laden,” the US Senate voted 97-0 to claim that the Murder was Justice. Bernie Sanders didn’t vote that way, but all the Democrats in the Senate so voted, and all of the Republicans except two. Thus, no Senate Democrats can be considered Liberal or Progressive: Liberals/Progressives don’t believe that the President is above the law, or that he’s allowed to order Assassinations of Muslims. No Liberal or Progressive would agree that Murdering a suspect without a trial is “Justice.” Especially when they got the wrong suspect!
Obama’s current Wars and warmongering in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, and Bahrain are putting massive upward pressure on the Oily portfolios of the Bushes, the bin Ladens, the Cheneys, and Obama’s old friends at BP. These Wars engender spectacular Conflicts of Interest and huge cash windfalls for two Oil billionaires very close to President Obama: Retiring Defense Secretary Robert Gates and retiring Mideast Peace Envoy George Mitchell. They made the Wars worse, and made money off the fact that they made the Wars worse. President Obama was both irresponsible and reckless to appoint those two foxes to be in charge of the hen house that held our fragile chances for peace. Irresponsible, reckless, and dishonest.
A couple of weeks after the Murder of the man whom the President called “bin Laden,” on ABC’s This Week, reporting the Murder of another Muslim ordered by Pres. Obama, Christiane Amanpour proudly, propagandistically proclaimed “Justice has been done again!” Our Journalists and our political “leaders” lie prolifically to help Oily War Profiteers and international criminals.



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Links:
http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/08/11/the-roundup-for-august-11-2011/
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/08/11/september-11th-anniversary-richard-clarke-s-explosive-cia-cover-up-charge.html
Wow. I got banned at Huffington Post for repeatedly demanding proof that bin Laden was killed. I think he’s most certainly dead, but that he didn’t die on the day our military claimed. Maybe it’s the “lawyer” in me, but I need to see EVIDENCE EVIDENCE EVIDENCE before believing anything our “WMD-peddling” military says.
Looks like we’re stuck with this never ending narrative until we call bullshit on all of it:
http://www.infowars.com/krugman-calls-on-government-to-manufacture-war-to-save-economy/
It’s no surprise that the evidence was destroyed. An entire crime scene was contaminated and dismantled at Ground Zero removing almost every vestige that remained of government complicity in the crime. Too bad no one thought to find a way to eliminate the microscopic elements of thermite that hung in the air identifying weapons-grade explosives as some of the things used to bring down the towers. When I was a cop it was drilled into everyone’s head that a crime scene had to be preserved even if it meant getting in the face of superior officers who tried to enter without identifying themselves. Yet on 9/11 they let anyone in.
http://www.benthamscience.com/open/tocpj/articles/V002/7TOCPJ.htm?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/348-previously-molten-iron-spheres-were-in-wtc-dust-reveal-use-of-thermitic-materials.html
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/350-evidence-destroyed-is-justice-denied.html
Hmm, what now? I guess since an entire nation swallowed the whole official 9/11 story, the questionable killing of bin laden and the lies surrounding it is small potatoes.
We are awash in so much bullshit as we struggle from day to day, who knows anymore!
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! The screw turns…
I’ve been watching ’9/11 Press for Truth’. Yeppers; a whole lotta truth out there.
http://www.cpt12.org/tv_schedule/program_details.cfm?id=120110816190000
kinda goes with this story,nobody posted here
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/12/national/main20091608.shtml
Wow. A manufactured murder for political reasons?
recc’d, and, we always surmised that bin Laden was dead already.
Norman, is it “Koestler” or “Kessler”?
It begs the question: was there actually even a body?
“author and retired FBI Agent Ronald Koestler”
Wow its amazing! So where is the link to this book? As a matter of fact what is the books name? I searched and came up with nada.
In fact I searched C-span and nothing came up at all.
http://www.google.com/search?q=Ronald+Koestler%2C+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.c-span.org&hl=en&num=10&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=off&tbs=
And since you are asserting that you heard this on C-span and a search return nothing with that name at all, I have to believe that this is bullshit.
Or to put it bluntly you are lying. To prove my point about your dishonesty, here is an google search link showing that this diary entry is one of two hits that come up with anything, one is this diary and the other is some blog with some stupid shit in it.
http://www.google.com/search?q=Ronald+Koestler%2C+site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.c-span.org&hl=en&num=10&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=off&tbs=#sclient=psy&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&source=hp&q=retired+FBI+Agent+Ronald+Koestler&pbx=1&oq=retired+FBI+Agent+Ronald+Koestler&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=165873l165873l4l167247l1l1l0l0l0l0l464l464l4-1l1l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=af5f4f3fbb50940f&biw=1440&bih=723
And to those that fell for this hoax, ‘dont be such sheep try checking on the information instead of just believing whatever someone claims’.
It was worse than that – they posted guards armed with assault weapons to prevent anyone from examining the crime scene before it was scrubbed.
It struck me as beyond ludicrous that a country that was hooked on “CSI: Crime Scene Investigation” every week could watch what was happening at Ground Zero and not recognize what was being done.
“Oh my God, people, this is so chaotic and depressing…there’s no way we can work in this mess! Can we get a cleaning crew in here?” – CSI: Ground Zero
“EVIDENCE EVIDENCE EVIDENCE”
Indeed…
Here is the CSPAN link. The Kessler segment will be available shortly and unless CSPAN has edited either you will owe Norman an apology or Norman will owe all of us an apology.
Getting my popcorn ready!
http://www.c-span.org/Events/Washington-Journal-for-Monday-August-15/10737423508/
I dunno what’s what w/this story, but I had some “regulars” here at FDL take me to task (I’m not upset; just saying…) for questioning the veracity that ObL had been “killed” when it all came down.
Just like we’ll never really know what happened vis JFK, we’ll never really know what happened with ObL. Just saying…
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44043847/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/t/us-troops-mostly-elite-navy-seals-killed-afghanistan/
Can I put on my tinfoil hat for a moment?? Weren’t most of the Navy Seals who are involved in the ObL raid/killing recently killed themselves in helicopter attack in Afghanistan? Isn’t rather “interesting” that most of that same unit were all in the same helicopter that got “downed”???
Don’t want some SEALS talking later???
Ok, I’ll take off my tinfoil hat now….
I had copied it off the TV screen – now I’ve corrected it to the way it is on C-SPAN’s homepage: Kessler, who wrote Secrets of the FBI.
Since it happened I’ve been wondering what the bankstas’ fear is for them to justify the pretense unless it just another routine divide and conquer operation to keep the sheeple confused, distracted, afraid, docile and subservient to the respective current Big Daddy figure heads in the central governments. Otherwise, silos and compartments sure are useful!
A search brought up this
http://www.newsmax.com/Blogs/RonaldKessler/id-69
he writes a blog so you can get a hint of his agenda.
At last people are beginning to make all the connections.
When 9/11 happened I had been living in Morocco for some years and my best friend’s family was deeply involved with the Saudi Royal family and much more.
None of the European expats believed the U.S. version of 9/11, and few Moroccans. When I would ask my friend specific questions, I was answered. But no information was volunteered. I knew from day one that the Bush/Saudi family and CIA, etc. were behind it all. But so many Americans thought I was just a crazy conspiracy nut, so over the years I have just kept quiet about it.
Then Shock Doctrine came out and the why of it all made sense.
Now I live in another country and am far from all that. But I know what I know. And was actually far from it then , and if I know what I know, how many thousands of other people around the world know full well what the government of the U.S. did to its own people.
Maybe soon the veil of self delusion will lift from the public ?
Or can Americans only accept that a foreign country could so destroy them and not realize the destruction going on right now is only the final phase of 9/11 ?
Yes Bin Laden was a genius. And he belonged to the U.S. And had nothing to do with 9/11.
Please put it back on. I don’t want to stand out while I’m wearing mine.
Kessler is an apologist for the Government. He contends that, even though the fingerprints don’t match, it must still be bin Laden: His opinion is that the FBI’s fingerprints on file were wrong.
The US supposedly detained people who survived the shooting at OBL’s residence in Abbottabad, including OBL’s youngest wife.
WTF is up with that?
I have a simple question that should have a simple answer: Did OBL’s purported wife confirm or deny that OBL was killed?
BTW, she was supposedly in the same room and shot in the leg as she advanced toward the Seals.
Also, what about the purported confirmations from Al Qaeda that OBL was killed?
Finally, what do we know about the fingerprints? When were they taken and by whom?
Don’t forget the Portland lawyer, whom the FBI Crime Lab identified as the source of fingerprints found on a briefcase used to contain and conceal a bomb used in the Madrid train station explosion. Spanish criminalists rejected the identification and the FBI subsequently admitted they were mistaken.
Having said all of that, I believed and still believe that OBL died of kidney failure in late November or December, 2001 in an area of eastern Afghanistan whose name I have regrettably forgotten.
Good catch, Norman b.
Thank you for the link. I dont have a clue how someone can misspell a name so badly but than shit happens.
“• Robert F. Kennedy secretly borrowed the personal car of the FBI agent in charge of the Los Angeles field office to visit Marilyn Monroe just before she took her own life.
• FBI agents determined that an encounter with Hillary Clinton triggered Vince Foster’s suicide a week later.
• Russia tried to include convicted spies Robert Hanssen and Aldrich Ames in the swap of Russian spies arrested by the FBI and tried to contact Ames in prison.
• After he was killed, the FBI could not match Osama bin Laden’s fingerprints.
• Contrary to the portrayal in the movie Breach, it was FBI agent Mike Rochford who uncovered fellow agent Robert Hanssen as a spy.
• FBI director J. Edgar Hoover had a spousal relationship with his deputy, Clyde Tolson.
• What the FBI thinks about President Obama, Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano, and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr.
• When planting bugs in the homes and offices of Mafia figures, spies, and terrorists, FBI agents tranquilize dogs, stage fake traffic accidents, and instruct police to stop occupants who try to return.”
Some interesting claims that Ronald Kessler makes. This one “After he was killed, the FBI could not match Osama bin Laden’s fingerprints.” only claims that they were unable to make a match, it does not seem to be claiming that the fingerprints did not match. Did Ronald Kessler say anything about the DNA collected? ANd whether he believed it to be valid?
I find it interesting that most of the time no one trusts the FBI, but now an former FBI agent is to be trusted? BTW Ronald Kessler is a staunch Conservative and is a MSM talking head, shouldnt that also work into the equation?
“We rightly recognize the sacrifices of our military on Veterans Day. But as we feast on turkey, stuffing, and cranberry sauce on Thanksgiving, let’s give thanks for the men and women of the FBI and CIA who have prevented another horrific attack in the more than 10 years since 9/11.” Ronald Kessler
http://www.newsmax.com/RonaldKessler/Kessler-FBI-CIA-TSA/2010/11/24/id/378091
They hauled away that steel from the towers pretty damn fast. Sent it to China our trade buddies.
…and on a related topic;
How many of you have wondered if it wasn’t actually one of Charlie Wilson’s missing Stinger missles, and not an RPG, that brought down that Chinook helocopter last week?
MORE BREAKING NEWS -
A certain main stream media site has refused to refer this video for national consideration. Why? Because it is a video of an under the dome alien base in Antarctica. Now how many people will ever see it?
I find that astonishing. For years, rumors have been flying about secret bases, and someone finally films one, AND mainstream media won’t cover it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfTAprQK1Lw
“I believed and still believe that OBL died of kidney failure in late November or December, 2001 in an area of eastern Afghanistan whose name I have regrettably forgotten.”
I’m in your camp on that one.
The story I read stated he died on or about Dec. 14, 2001. Even the CIA admits that is the last date for which they have any credible intelligence information regarding his whereabouts. Prior to that, they had been monitoring his satellite phone communications. The funeral notice I read stated he was buried in Tora Bora (east Afghanistan – in the White Mountains), but not where he actually died. This notice also stated he suffered lung complications.
Many believe OBL had Marfan Syndrome (it’s still controversial). If he did, it would fit with the “lung complications.” This disorder carries a high risk for spontaneous pneumothorax, which if not timely treated is fatal.
Fox News is the only US media outlet I know of that carried this story from the Pakistan Observer.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html
Bwhahahaa Aliens yea ok… Thanx I needed a laugh :P
Ah, but does it matter?
Thanks, gigi3.
Tora Bora is the name I had forgotten.
Bullshit.
1. Where the lab proof there was microscopic thermite particles in the air?
2. Any why would anyone use thermite, it’s a old, inefficient explosive?
3. To do CD on the towers, there would have to be weeks of work placing the explosive on the columns. Invasive work, removing the cladding from the steel columns.
Fuck off with your nonsense, and go and learn some engineering and construction.
Did you go to the first link that appeared in a peer-reviewed journal, asshole?
Have you read anything at all that contradicts the established conspiracy theory put forth by the government or their stooges, the NIST, that shows the collapse of 7 WTC was a controlled demolition
What are your engineering and/or construction credentials?
I lost eight people I knew personally that day and the crime scene was dismantled.
Fuck you triple, dickwad.
DNA could have been collected earlier from the hospital where he underwent dialysis and was visited by a CIA officer.
Not like Newsmax has an axe to grind or anything.
The SEALs were from the same team not the same guys.
Sorry, but even I won’t nibble. I’m not even looking.
Maybe it’s the last letter in her name, but I always thought Synoia was a she. Silly me.
Anyway, you’re still full of shit. This conspiracy theory nonsense serves no useful purpose, anyhow.
None of this matters. It all amounts to distraction, designed to take our attention away from the real issues of who controls wealth and power. It doesn’t matter if Osama was killed the way Obama claims. It doesn’t matter if he was killed at Tora Bora. It matters, a little, that he is dead now(if he wasn’t, he would have no doubt released a tape by now to make the American government look idiotic), but it doesn’t matter what happened to his body.
If anything about this matters, it is that the SEALs were ordered to kill him. If they had been ordered to take that old man alive, they would have done so. It matters that we will never hear Osama’s testimony in a court of law. It matters that an American President ordered an assassination(again, JFK did it).
But as far as what is truly important to me goes, ie my standard of living and what interests control my government, this matters very little, if at all.
And, BTW, JFK was killed by a lone gunman.
Disagree, OG.
Consider the metaphor of the straw that broke the camel’s back.
Each outrage, no matter what it is about, is one more straw for the camel to bear.
Our government is rotten to the core and must be replaced.
A little tweaking here and there ain’t gonna git ‘er done.
Of course, the outrages have to be legitimate and until we know the answers to the questions that I posed up thread, we cannot decide if this is a legitimate outrage.
But if it is legitimate . . .
Don’t really need too many credentials, engineering or otherwise, to know F=ma, meaning that for the buildings to collapse at freefall speed the lower floors had to provide no inertial resistance to the falling upper floors. In other words, the time of fall alone proves the entire building collapsed at once, i.e., it was demolished.
Conveniently for Larry & Co., both WTC 1 & 2 had just in the previous year undergone massive renovations to the buildings’ elevator systems, which ran the entire length of the buildings’ core. This was “one of the largest, most sophisticated elevator modernization programs in the industry’s history.”
http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/wtc/arch/wtc_elevator_renovation.pdf
p.s. I’m sorry to hear of the deaths of the people you knew. The best I can offer now is remember there’s no statute of limitations on murder.
where is this so called breaking evidence of an FBI agent saying the fingerprints didn’t match,because they weren’t in your links normanb. Richard Clark didn’t say that. if it’s on the CSPAN video, I want the minute number because Im not watching a whole hour.
It’s diaries like this that give conspiracy theorists a bad name.
I agree, right up to the last sentence.
The breaking news was what the Agent Kessler had just said live on C-SPAN. ebair included the link in the comments as soon as it was available.
This is big news, that the man killed did not have bin Laden’s fingerprints. You should be able to see the significance.
I think that you are jumping to conclusions and not really listening.
“• After he was killed, the FBI could not match Osama bin Laden’s fingerprints.”
That sentence does not claim that there were any fingerprint matching at all. See you assume that it means that there were fingerprints that were different than what was on record. It could be simply that OBL had his prints disguised.
But the fingerprints dont really matter since the claim was that they did match the DNA with an 99.9% accuracy. And your ignoring the fact that Al Qaeda acknowledged that OBL died that day.
But lets look at what OBL death has achieved. Al Qaeda still is in existence, it has been said a thousand times that OBL death would not really change anything. So we have just one dead guy out of how many?
And if you don’t get the minute number what then? Are you just going to conclude it never happened? Norman isn’t responsible for posting CSPANs vidoes. WTF?
Anyway, it is at the 9 minute mark.