[[[This was a misunderstanding on my part — Attaturk was being facetious. Comments which seemed directed at me apparently were not. I apologize for the misunderstanding.]]]
Spotted Propaganda (1): Thursday, March 29, 2012 (includes Michael-Cavlan-issue-related UPDATE) — by NormanB (“Deviations from the Norm”)
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In my first class on my first day of college, Professor Hollingsworth assigned us to figure out what the newspaper reporter’s point of view was in a story picked at random. It was a valuable lesson. At first, everyone resisted. We’d been taught that reporters are unbiased. But every story can be told in an infinite number of possible wordings, so the writer must decide, must choose how to word his story, from the first line on.
Thus, news reports don’t exactly just tell us what happened. Through their choice of words, they try to influence us into seeing things the way they want us to see them. Media try to manipulate us into supporting their particular political agendas.
I began writing this column in my head, taking notes on scrap paper to CBS’s overnight Up To The Minute report last night, because each story [of course!] had a dishonest political slant to the Right.
I came to FireDogLake.com yesterday morning planning to begin this Diary with reviews of those news reports and the coverage I’d heard on CBS overnight. Then, I started reading an FDL report on the “Home” page, the top left column’s first of the “Latest Blogs,” what might be called the “front page of Section B.” And what a shocking disappointment! I thought I was reading MSNBC or Current!
I was (it seems) reading someone who listens to them, without realizing that they’re playing us. Over here at MyFDL, people are less naïve. Diarists here have been calling policies on the far-Right “Fascist” for quite a while, even when they come from Democrats. Here we can tell the small-d democrats from the large-D “Democrats.”
Yesterday, and it’s probably still up, there was a promoted story on this site purporting that African Americans and Gays should allow themselves to be tricked into politically supporting a candidate on the far Right. But when I pointed out just two actual far-Right policies endorsed by the politician mentioned – whom the column props up as if he were an actual Liberal “small-d democrat” – I got a lashing from … (shall we say) status quo defenders. http://firedoglake.com/2012/03/28/and-the-world-will-be-as-one/
It would be hypocritical for me to go pointing to the crookedness in the coverage shown on ABCNNBCBS, Fox, Current, MSNBC, and LinkTV (yes, even Link!) in recent days, while just letting Right-wing deception pass here at FDL without a word. I guess I won’t try commenting over there anymore if I can help it. Some may have flagged my comment, or worse.
But their apparent candidate has said things and taken actions against Gays and Blacks that could and should rightly be considered Hate Speech and Hate Crimes, if said and done by Republicans. Their man has taken advantage of the fact that he’s a “large-D Democrat,” using that leverage and his office and charisma to drag this country much further to the Right than a Republican President could; because Congressional Democrats would stand up to oppose some things that Republicans do, but they oppose nothing from this politician, no matter how Right-wing and repressive his policies get.
By now you realize of whom I speak. But I can’t tell you how distressing it is for me to see how many people are doing the sheep thing over there, which is after all here. That story running here at FDL claims that Blacks and Gays should unite to support a candidate who’s working against their own best interests.
I gave FDLers there two true examples of harmful far-Right policies from their apparent candidate. But instead of stating them in the way MSNBC and Current do, I stripped the trickery away, and laid out those policies in just the way they’ve already been laid bare here at MyFDL so many times.
Let me tell you, those people over there just do not want to hear from the Left! They don’t want to hear anything from the Left, whether it’s true or not! They’re ready to squash a voice from the Left like a bug! Just because I opposed their apparent candidate, and gave true reasons for that opposition, I was called a hater and a troll, and it was said that I shouldn’t be tolerated.
This outrageous abusive behavior may shed light on the banning of Michael Cavlan: If the same people over there who attacked my comment and attacked me personally just because I’m on the Left, well if they realized how radical Michael is, then they might well have gone after him too. I wonder if the records show that they did. They lied about me and wanted me banned, just because I’m a dissenter.
It’s sad. Bleepin’ sleepin’ sheep. Prominent. Here. Baaahh!! You know what, I’ll have to tell you about CBS’s oopses another time, and even LinkTV’s. This may be more important, what’s now happening in-house. So, I’m here to defend my comment, and to defend my right to make comments to the Left of President Obama without being called names that do not apply.
I’m here to ask that I not be banned, at least not until one day after I get my Social Security check, when I’ll hopefully be able to afford a flash drive to store my Intellectual Property from FDL. The last time I asked not to be banned until I have enough to buy a flash drive, some well-meaning commenter pointed out that flash drives with lots of space can be bought for as little as $8. I’m sure the commenter didn’t realize how irrelevant and cruel it is to say that to someone on Social Security.
I’m here to defend myself against the baseless accusations, and hopefully draw attention to something quite undemocratic that is going on around here – undemocratic, though many Democrats may prefer it. I’m here to defend myself against false charges; and to suggest that it’s not right to call someone names because they disagree with you. But regardless of that lack of ethics, when you call me names that do not apply, you are not telling the truth.
I’m here to defend myself against that proposed ban. So, I’ll defend what I said and what I think. I had hoped we were done with this. Whether you call it the Stockholm Syndrome, the Ostrich Syndrome, or whether you just think you’ve already got the solution in this charlatan pretending to be a Progressive; blocking out dissenting opinions only serves one so far.
I would like to hear from those who made the false accusations. I’d like to hear them comment on that behavior, in the light of this post. I would like for the Diarist to defend that apparent electoral position taken in the article, instead of relying on a posse of lying attackers. (I’m not saying you sicked them on me, Attaturk.) I think I just made legitimate points which I’ll further clarify below. I do, though, know that my conclusions can upset people who haven’t thought the issues through that far yet.
StonyPillow: President Obama’s Department of Justice proposed – and Bank Of America accepted – an agreement to pay off 200,000 Black and Hispanic homeowners whom Countrywide (since bought out by BOA) cheated out of their homes based solely on race… How much to pay? Attorney General Eric Holder and Obama proposed paying them $335 million dollars. That’s just $1,675 per house, for houses worth 100 times that much!
And Bank of America has already sold many of the houses at tremendous profit. And instead of having wealthy Bank of America (Joe Biden’s top contributor) pay the people whose homes were taken away through Racial Discrimination the proper amount they were due, instead of doing the moral thing and paying Black people exactly what those homes were worth, instead the Administration proposed helping Bank of America rip them off based on their race.
Why does the Barack Obama Administration commit such Hate Crimes against Black homeowners? Well, there’s the fact that Bank of America has supported Joe Biden his whole political life. Biden owes BOA, and so does Obama: BOA helped Obama buy the Presidency: In 2008, Bank Of America donated more than 3 times as much money to Barack Obama’s campaign as it did to any other candidate, except Mitt Romney. BOA has bought them off!
The attempted theft of houses from 200,000 minority homeowners, in my opinion, is a Hate Crime. These people were robbed specifically because of their ethnicity! The Judge didn’t let Obama and Holder and Bank Of America get away with that crime either, stealing all those Black homeowners’ houses!
The Judge threw it back in Obama’s face – rejected it on “transparency issues!” That means Bribery! I would never ever support a candidate who endorses stealing over $100,000 apiece from 200,000 people based merely on the color of their skin. That, StonyPillow, does not make me a “troll.” I think accepting such a candidate shows naïveté at best. For a Black person to accept such a candidate would be, I think, self-hating.
Ruth Calvo: President Obama’s position on Gays is well known: He says that Gays are unequal and don’t deserve equal rights. He is officially “evolving” toward believing that Gays deserve more rights. If Gays give him money and votes, his opinion may evolve further on exactly how many Human Rights they do deserve.
That’s my understanding of the President’s stated position on how to keep Gays down. Whatever his exact wording, saying words with that meaning is [in my opinion] disgusting Hate Speech. I will never ever support a candidate who endorses discrimination against Gays or other minority groups. Ruth, that does not make me a “hate[r].” I think accepting such a candidate shows naïveté at best. For a Gay person to accept such a candidate would be, I think, self-hating.
Ruth, it is particularly problematic for me that you call me a hater. I published my first anti-hate editorial (against the Death Penalty) in 1972. I don’t know how fervently you’ve campaigned against Hate, or how long. The Ku Klux Klan tried to hold a rally in our Florida city in 1990, and I went out, demonstrated, and confronted the Klansmen face to face. Did you?
I spent a lot of time, years actually, gently teaching colors-wearing Nazi “skinheads” simple lessons about rainbow consciousness: Everybody deserves rights. Do you know what colors-wearing means? Biker gangs and other gangs wear “colors,” something of a gang uniform, insignias and so on. This is especially prevalent among Racist gangs. Underground biker bars in Florida have signs saying “No Colors” because they don’t want rival gangs to fight there.
Amid racial tensions on Florida’s West Coast in the late 1980s and early 1990s, Tampa’s artists’ ghetto Ybor City, where I lived in a performance gallery, was the hippest place in the state. Everybody there was afraid of “the skinheads.” But my partner Ray and I let the bands that they liked practice and sometimes play shows in our place. Most of the guys in the Nazi club were 16 and 17. The weren’t really political – I think somebody older from outside their group was telling them their politics.
These guys were not from Tampa, much less the artists’ colony Ybor City. They were from Hudson, Brooksville, Dade City, out in the sticks. They were country boys. They may have been poor or abused. They likely had very ignorant and hateful parents. They are not bad people. Somebody needed to talk to them, somebody from out in the sticks.
So they’d been taught by whomever supplied their politics that hippies and Blacks are wrong. And then they came down to Ybor City, and nobody would even let them in the door except the longhair [me] and my Cape Verdean partner, who looked Black to them. I developed a rapport with them. I developed a following among them. Most of them left their Racist club after meeting Ray and me. But it took a lot of time and effort. You lie when you call me a hater. http://my.firedoglake.com/normanb/2010/06/29/senator-byrds-death-made-me-think-of-klansmen-i-have-known/
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/toprecips.php?id=d000000090&type=P&sort=A&cycle=2008
http://crooksandliars.com/richard-rj-eskow/335-million-bank-settlement-good-
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/21/bank-of-america-countrywide-settlement_n_1163208.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/29/business/judge-rejects-sec-accord-with-citi.html?pagewanted=all
And finally, if you thought I was a hater and a troll because I mentioned details about what President Obama’s thugs do to the racial and social underclasses and dissidents in his puppet regimes, well, you should probably keep up with what he’s doing, since you’re willing to lie to defend him. This year’s Nobel Peace Prize went to a heroic woman in Yemen, for opposing the ODS – Obama’s Death Squads. http://my.firedoglake.com/normanb/2011/10/07/nobel-peace-prize-to-tawakkul-karman-for-resisting-obama-saleh-massacres-of-peaceful-protesters-premeditated-murders-democracy-suppression/
http://gay.americablog.com/2012/03/tony-blair-refuses-to-defend-gays-being.html
If we vote to go to the far Right, we will go to the far Right. And if we follow Obama to the far Right, the Government and thugs will crack down on Blacks and Gays.
[[[ADDITION: See Comments 7 & 12, below]]]



33 Comments

The horror. I have more bad news, about other things you have been taught. There is no tooth fairy and Unicorns do not run wild, and you can dress Nazis up but you cannot take Nazis out in public
You can save your “archive” at FDL. Just “Save Page As”, on your browser. Flash drives cost less than five dollars.
It is true that some of these people here are scamps, and snarky. Really this is not a serious place. But you might enjoy Daily Kos.
Normanb, don’t let the Obots and Dem apologists get you down. Principle means nothing to them. Partisanship means everything to them.
It’s astounding how many things they hated Bush for that have suddenly become acceptable to them when perpetuated and expanded by Obama and the Dems.
When you point out facts and they respond with talking points like “hater”, “troll”, or even “racist”, they only show how morally and intellectually bankrupt they are.
It’s a simple world for them. Obama and the Dems must be supported at all costs. Period. They view anyone who doesn’t unconditionally accept this world view as the enemy, to be derided and demonized. Welcome to the real clown show.
A word to the wise normanb, Ruth Calvo is not simply another commenter.
She is an Editor of “my FDL”, as you may plainly see at the “About Us” section of “About Us” …
http://my.firedoglake.com/aboutus/
… and she is giving you a friendly hint.
DW
Normanb, I am Obama hater because of the depth of his lies and deceit and right wing enabling, but you’re a little parinoid. I don’t in any way disagree with your take on Obama. I did go back and read the thread on that diary and I don’t see how your above commentary and feeling that the response to your comments are a call for bannishment are justified.
Keep fighting against Obama’s re-election though. A Manchurian Republican is way more dangerous than a professed Republican.
Thank you. She is an editor. I am not a hater.
No, you are not a hater, and anyone who has read what you have written, in your comments and diaries, over the time of your presence here, full well knows and appreciates that fact, normanb.
DW
norman
I read Attaturks post that you linked to. He was not endorsing diviseness, he was making fun of it. He was being sarcastic. That’s his schtick, and he’s really good at it.
The reference to “haterz” in Ruth Calvo’s comment that came after yours was not directed at you, it was a reference to people who came up with the plan to pit people of color against LGBT people. You will note that her comment was not in “reply” to yours.
I think you and Attaturk and Ruth all share the same opinion of the memo to divide people by race and sexual orientation.
I did not see the words “troll” or racist” directed at you either.
This appears to be a misunderstanding.
BTW, I hope you do write the post you inteded to write about MSM bias
Thank you, I’m still working on that one, and others.
Thank you. If it is just a misunderstanding…perhaps I should take this post down.
I agree on that, and also agree there is a misunderstanding. Thanks for tracking that down.
I accept your interpretation. I apologize for misinterpreting. Should I take this down? or does it still have value? to set the record straight? (In that column it ambiguously looks like I’m being called those things which I’m not.)
No! Don’t take it down. It is a keeper. I recommended it.
Thank you, Cynthia, for the clarification, it really matters.
DW
I agree with Frank, leave it up. Clarity and clarification, transparency and truth are always important, and offer something of genuine value to everyone.
DW
Take it down – it does you no credit whatsoever that you wrote it.
mfi
I read the thread, normanb, and I sincerely don’t think Ruth’s comments were directed toward you, but toward the highlighted strategy memo to divide blacks and gays which seemed to equal for her, ‘election hatez’, a term unfamiliar to me.
A tech-wise friend here at my.fdl yesterday walked me through saving my diaries with the ‘Save Page As’ choice on my Firefox. His instructions (I’m sure he won’t mind my sharing them) ;o) :
“Expand the diary to get all the comments.
Make sure the Menu Bar is being displayed at the top of firefox. It’s the one that says “File Edit View History Bookmarks Tools Help”.
Left-click on “File” in the Menu bar.
From the dropdown box that results, left-click on “Save Page As”
You will then get a “Save As” box from which you can save the page in different formats in a location of your choice.
Select a location on your computer where you want to save the diary.
Choose a “Save as type:” of “Web page, HTML only”.
Click the “Save” button.
Go to where you saved the page and double-click on it and it will open up in your browser. It will look just like the real web page, but if you look at the address bar on your browser, you’ll see it is displaying what is on your computer.”
But we will be increasingly treated to LOTE-voting ideology the closer we get to elections, imo, and countering them is important, imo. After all, we know what Obama has done, but can only speculate what Unknown Republican might do as President, but so many forget that a third-party vote is possible. Or putting all that electoral fervor toward the democracy movement and stopping the machine.
Oops; looks as though I took too long sending this; I got stalled in the middle by RL, and it’s redundant.
I think a sentence at the very top of the post, saying “this was a misunderstanding on my part — Attaturk was being facetious and I apologize for the misunderstanding” would be appropriate.
Thank you.
Well
This is just so right on. On so many levels.
Thank you Normanb.
FDL’s record of journalist ethics and integrity remain intact.
Thank you. You are very kind.
Frank33
Love ya Bro.
Grin.
x2
I grew up in the housing projects in northern Ireland. Some of my very best friends became friends, right after we fought each other. This is a very common phenomena with people raised in poverty.
I fully expect to become good friends with you Frank. As well as LaRue.
Right after I kick his you know what. But only if and when the Managing Editor is OK with it.
Grin.
I think we all gained after the brouhaha of the article with a thousand comments.
Wow
Normanb showed himself to be a real classy guy with this public apology.
Way to go Norman.
Don’t comment much but I like this all the way around. There are good people here who care.
And this; Tyranny has no political agenda, no preference, it comes in many forms..from the right or the left. and we are here to take its note, off key, and crush it under our boot of words.
Good on ya Normanb
Some how Norm you managed to reproduce a form of a Seinfeld episode . . . a diary about, nothing.
Takes a clever person to do that, even inadvertently!
N ya DID fish me in to reading it all just to find out, there was no story!!
Bad on me, I guess, but after it all, I’m laffin.
I’m kinda with MFI to some extent, leaving it up serves no purpose given there WAS no story to begin with, unless you feel you MUST keep the response to Attaturk’s diary up for clarity.
But by now, most of us get it . . . ya know?
N now I GOTS to go do something real, too much of nothing makes a man into a liar (guess who did THAT song). ;-)
I swear, Larue-Clique; I’ve appreciated that over the past couple weeks you have stayed true to yourself and your fealty credo.
I’d always counted among my flaws that I was such a fan of schadenfreude, but you, my zealous friend, take it to a whole ‘nother level. Don’t ever change: we can always count on you to pile on when a person had admitted a mistake, or even experienced a tad of embarrassment for gettin’ something wrong, and sayin’ so, not to mention when you decide they are wrong, or Harshing the General Mellow of this site to which you profess so much fealty that you never allow yourself to think of any Greater Good that might be served by us mere mortals, trying to bring light to a subject.
I must salute your vigorous and unyielding brand of certainty, sir, even while I find it odious as all giddy-up.
wd
There were several unjustified, vicious and odius insults directed at Larue, and Teddy P and PW. Some fierce debaters have been flinging poo. Larue’s responses seems subdued considering the names he was called.
I am glad Ruth Calvo has been cleared.
You make me regret that I went to bat for you with management when your one diary was pulled, Frank33. And guess what? It was the principle of the thing, as I saw nothing about it that violated TOS, unless I just breezed by some hidden innuendo.
I am sorry to have offended you. I am bothered by Posts with no content, except to be mean and nasty. But certainly thank you for your kind words.
Then can we shake on it, and move on? These are fraught times, and people get a bit twitchy now and again with anxiety. Dunno Normmanb well, but from what others here have said, he tries to get it right, but messed up today, and read wrong.
G’night, sleep well.
wd