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Welcome to Jill Stein’s Victory Party — by NormanB (“Deviations from the Norm”)
Thank you, and Congratulations to Jill Stein! She ran a brilliant campaign, brought hope to hundreds of thousands of people, and lit a lamp, a direction for the future. Come to the Jill Stein Victory Party. We haven’t won yet, but we in the Stein campaign have the comfort of knowing we’re doing the right thing.
She got nearly 400,000 votes, raised and spent about $350,000: Just under a dollar a vote. Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson spent about a million dollars, and got just over a million votes. They were fourth and third, respectively, in the Presidential popular vote Tuesday.
So, our work is cut out for us. There is just one Left Party in the US noticeable to the bigger Parties. The Green Revolution is needed. The Green Revolution is happening. We must not relent. If each of us who voted for Jill Stein brings in just fifteen more people, and then does that ten more times…
We don’t have time to celebrate. We have an awesome and somber task. The house is on fire, but the kids are playing Monopoly. We’ve asked Obama, the bully of the block, to put out the fire. He won’t do it because he’s playing the game.
When the President does something unjust, every time he does it, we’ve got to call him on it. Yell and point. Call a War Crime a War Crime. Atrocity is Atrocity. Murder is Murder. Self-pardoning for Murder is preposterous, and illegitimate in every case.
Every time there’s an unsolved killing, we must point out the obvious suspect: President Obama. Every time he commits a crime, we must call for prosecution. Call for a Special Prosecutor every day that there’s a reason to do so.
Maybe Obama’s going to turn honest and good this term. If so, he still needs to be prosecuted for the War Crimes and Cover-Ups. But just in case he doesn’t turn honest and good, make up your lists to distribute around the internet:
Obama’s hateful policies against Children, Women, Gays, African-Americans, Africans, Sikhs, Muslims, Minority Religions in general, Workers, Students, African Slaves, Bahraini Slaves, Home Owners, Consumers, Breathers of Air, Drinkers of Water, Eaters of Food, and his hateful policies against Mother Earth. Circulate petitions demanding that he immediately halt the Pogroms in Bahrain and the West Bank.
Every time he does something detrimental to children, point out his hateful policies against children. If he hurts or kills another child, point out other children that he has hurt and killed. Post the pictures of them dead. That is truth.
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While Jill Stein and Gary Johnson spent just under $1 per vote, Obama and Romney spent about $4 per vote in some states. Greens and Libertarians just couldn’t afford to buy more of the Election.
Here’s a couple of cool moments from the Parliament/Funkadelics video at the top:
(1) At 1:46 is “Dr. Funkenstein” – that’s “Dr. Stein” for short;
and
(2) At 1:54 “We gotta turn this mutha out!”
… dance to the music!
If you’re into electoral politics at all, Green is it.
A spin worthy of Karl Rove. Congratulations.
If they think this way, they are lost. The guerrilla war analogy is the one that makes sense, to me. Guerrillas are resourceful. They make do with what they have available. Of course, there are some hard limitations to their limited pocketbooks.
Thus, the Viet Cong couldn’t send strategic bombers against South Vietnamese and American positions (except in their dreams). But they could make bunji stick booby traps, to great effect.
Jill Stein could have used her campaign to educate the public about how low numbers (a measely 1 out of 15 eligible voters) could be used to throw a monkey wrench into the well oiled and thought-to-be insulated primary machines of the D’s and R’s. You know, like a ‘peaceful guerrilla warrior’ would.
Unfortunately, I expect the brilliance of her after-campaign period to match the brilliance of her during-campaign period. While you’re obviously quite happy with that level of brilliance, I “see dead people”.
That is not an apples to apples comparison, though. The Green Party has nothing like the DNC or the Democratic Party machine or MSNBC.
No Senators, Congresspeople, Governors, etc. to be surrogates.
No media coverage whatever.
Indeed media and all Democratic and Republican politicians pretend there are no “third” parties. (Even the term “third” parties is a lie.)
No name recognition.
No 150 year or more history.
I could go on, but you get the point, I’m sure.
So, the accomplishment of Dr. Stein was greater than it would seem by simply comparing the amount spent per vote by her, Obama and Romney.
I can’t go along with Genocide or Slavery. Game stoppers for me. Candidates and Governments supporting those entities must be opposed rather than pampered. The Torture and the child Murders I also oppose.
Agreed!
Oh, yeah, Pogroms, too: He’s got to stop the Pogroms to get my support: Before Obama, the world had come to consensus that Pogroms – killing people and destroying their neighborhood to make room for a different ethnic group – are wrong. The entire world had come to a consensus that killing people with Poisonous Gas to make them leave their neighborhood… As you must know, Obama supplies the Poisonous Gas with which the Khalifas of Bahrain kill their dissidents.
Shame on the people who voted for Barack Obama. What a disgusting and misguided thing to do.
Could you please provide me with the address of the phone booth this gala event is being held in?
It’s easy to see how people surrounded by the Holocaust could just let it happen, saying that this new bold leader will certainly change, now that we’ve reinforced his hateful and criminal behavior by giving him 50.5% of the vote.
The entire state of Massachusetts is partying right now. Jump on in, the water’s fine.
It’s about the same sized phone booth as the meeting of those Obama supporters who really oppose Obomba’s regressive, right wing policies.
Thanks norm. Jill’s campaign touched on more issues in its first DAY than the corporate tools did all year. One day the Margarets (read: complainers) and metamarses (do nothings) and oldgolds (legacy party captives) of the world will understand the difference between pretending to give a shit and actually rolling up one’s sleeves – without worrying whether change happens now or 30 years from now – and JUST DOING the hard work of laying the foundation for that change, instead of whining about it.
It has been great to work with you. I look forward to continuing to lay the groundwork that the complainers, do-nothings and captives don’t even realize will one day change their lives.
But first, in the immortal words of Abraham Lincoln: “Party on, dude!”
I voted for her and unless Obama stops acting like Bush’s second term I will vote for her again.
Thanks Anthony. Great to hear from you. I appreciate our cooperative effort too. As I said, we know we are doing right. And I’d rather be right than Dictator. Remember: Right is wrong, and Left is right.
I expect Karl to blame Ron Paul voters for staying home or voting Libertarian for his loss soon.
I expect Karl to insist that Rep Ryan start talking to Ron’s people more and get some Cred.
The GOP as a whole will go more Libertarian but not on social issues.
The GOP has to change to win they can’t go Left of Obama never mind Jill so they have to keep Jill’s ideas out of the MSM hope the blogs don’t keep pushing her ideas fat chance that.
But still they need a new direction.
Received more than twice as many presidential votes as in 2008: Greens (415 thou., up from 162 thou.), Libertarians (1.2 mil. up from 524 thou.)
Received fewer votes than in 2008: Democrats (61 mil., down from 69 mil.), Republicans (58 mil., down from 60 mil.)
We will win because even with Obama in office the economy will get worse because the banks are still spending money they don’t have at the casino of Credit Default Swaps. Sooner or later the House always wins but if the House wins IOU’s and tax payers can’t bail them out again then suddenly the Tea Baggers and Jill become the only options in politics unless of course the Right fears the Tea Baggers can’t win then we get a Right Wing Coup.
The Right will not let power go with an election.
…continuing the list of victims of Obama’s hateful policies: Poor people, Hispanics, immigrants, Marijuana users, medical patients.
Among the medical patients whom Obama acts most hatefully against are Skin Cancer patients. Many people are aware that the most famous active ingredients of Marijuana/Hashish destroy Cancer cells, including Tetrahydrocannabinol and Cannabidiol (THC & CBD).
And a smaller but growing number of people know about Rick Simpson Oil. R.S. Oil is simply Hash Oil (a full spectrum extraction of Cannabis buds’ constituents) dissolved in Olive Oil.
Videos of its use show that it cures Skin Cancer. Quickly and cheaply. Lots of Americans die of Skin Cancer every year. With the stroke of his pen, Obama could remove Marijuana from Schedule 1, which would almost immediately allow Skin Cancer patients the world over access to Rick Simpson Oil.
Why does Obama want the Skin Cancer patients dead? If anyone you know has Skin Cancer, please urge them to file suits against President Obama, the DEA, and the Federal Government, before it’s too late. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nBSc6TOb-Y and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy66MUZP538&feature=related and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnFJYxCx7zk&feature=related
There is far more money in treating cancer, and in fundraising for cancer treatment and research, than there is in curing cancer.
It’s a capitalist thing. You understand.
Well said, point taken. We all keep wearing those comfortable shoes and continue. Stein is still awesome and a respectable representative of the human race and as for the others in bipolar amerika we can only HOPE for CHANGE.
Don’t you DARE say nasty things like that!
She got 788.6361829025845% more votes than Jack Fellure!!
That’s Sevenhundredandeightyeightpointsixthreesixoneeighttwoninezerotwofiveeightfourfive percent more votes than Jack Fellure!!!
SO THERE !!!!
mfi
PS: Google
mfi
Some of your “doing” is lying.
Sadly, lying often works, especially when the lie is repeated, and even moreso when repeated by authority figures.
You’re no authority figure, but on repeating lies, you’re no slouch.
We probably all know of movements that had modest beginnings, that were derided as uneconomical, contrary to human nature, not feasible, etc, but eventually prevailed.
I hope this is one of them.
Because the two old, corrupted and corroded parties in the USA are leading us to a hot, and barely livable world.
normanb, my affection for you only increased when you hoped beyond hope that Sandy would take an opposite path to the one she did take – and our fellow fdlers, we all, would wish to be either right or wrong on our choices last Tuesday, were the outcome to be a positive one. Still, patterns are patterns, and what will be will be. We did our best with the little breeze we blew and steadily we blew it. Nothing we voted for is bad. A good seed was planted.
Yesterday I heard on my classical station the Firebird suite:
Bom, bom, bom-bom-bom-bom,
Bom, bom-bom-bom-bom-bom-bom
turns into
Dah, dah, dah-dah-dah-dah
Dah, dah-dah-dah-dah-dah-dah…
Except a grain of wheat fall to the ground and die
It remains alone;
But if it dies, it brings forth much fruit.
Congratulations on winning!
Why not sing another round of “We are the Champions” while the guy you elected dismantles the social safety net?
metamars, do you not like jill or greens, or is it both?
CONGRATULATIONS, Jill Stein. What a COURAGEOUS, hard-working, and emphatic run. THANK YOU.
Jill, stay in there; we need you.
Jill Stein got five times the amount of vote of the Green presidential candidate in 2008, and the same amount of vote as the much better-known consumer advocate Ralph Nader in 2004.
Stein achieved all this, while under a Mainstream Media blackout, and with no money. (Obama spent $18 per vote, Jill Stein, less than $1 per vote.) Stein had only a $400,000 budget, and she was under a news blackout. Most people in the country do not even know who Jill Stein is, or what she is about. If there was no Mainstream Media blackout on Stein, and if she had been permitted into the debates, you can be sure the votes for Stein would be at least 10 percent right off the bat. Easy. It is all a matter of mass media exposure.
Stein fought hard and conscientiously and adamently and went over and beyond, getting arrested etc. If you hear her speak, she is really quite articulate and impressive, and she truly believes in the cause. She is the real thing.
Considering the almost complete news blackout–most people don’t even know of Stein or about Stein–Stein made great progress. I think the next step is to try to get mainstream media coverage.
Greens will have to think of some way to get a foothold on Mainstream Media. Have a billionaire create a TV station? An Internet site, such as Huffington Post? And then you have to make sure that media outlet does not 1.) get co-opted or 2.) infiltrated. Huffington Post was great as a mass media outlet, but then it literally sold out and was co-opted to become an Obama machine.
THANK YOU, Jill, and please stay in the ring!
NormanB, your calculation is incorrect. Considering Obama got about 56 million votes and spent $1 billion, that comes to $17 a vote (NOT $4 a vote) for Obama, doesn’t it? This compares to less than $1 spent per vote for Jill.
In addition, you do not mention that Obama has FULL COURT press through the mainstream media outlets, but Jill Stein has nothing in terms of mass media coverage.
If Jill could have been on TV and mainstream media all the time like Obama is, she could have shot up to 30% support right off the bat. Because of the mainstream media boycott, most people across the US do not even know who Jill Stein is or what she is about. So considering the Mainstream Media blackout, she did well.
Really you need to get past the delusional tripe phase if you want to accomplish anything. I’m not entirely convinced that you’re capable of that but one can always hope. By all means have a nice little post-election loser tantrum if it makes you feel better.
mfi
Several people I know who pride themselves on being politically aware were nonplussed when I told them that I was voting for Jill Stein and why. They hadn’t heard of her. What a surprise; their main source of information is the msm (nyt, 60 minutes, etc.). When I mentioned ndaa and the kill list they blew those off as not important. They didn’t know what the catfood commission was, so when I explained it, they thought that SS should be changed because of the debt. They didn’t seem to understand that it had no relation to the debt. I have not yet seen real value in the reelection of o.
Irony your name is markfromireland. Delusional is believing that your vote for the Democratic Party was going to change the Democratic Party.
Tripe is exactly what you are going to get for the next 4 years so you might as well get used to it since it is EXACTLY what you voted for. Four more years of sloganeering from a party that looks at you as a “f’in retard”(although I’d argue that YOU do make a compelling argument for ol’ Rahm)
Don’t forget to wave your pom poms when the President starts cutting Medicaid. Enjoy your great big pile of win while it lasts.
mfi, I’m surprised that you are being so nasty. What “delusional tripe phase” are you referring to. o has already that he is going to work on fixing SS, Medicare, and Medicaid because of the debt. We know that these could have pressure relieved without doing anything to the age standards. The whole point of this is to continue work to build the alternative to the uniparty that controls politics in our nation. It seems that you and Margaret @4 are mostly upset that people are willing to support an alternative.
Or you might realize that someone with the name “markfromireland” is in fact not a US citizen and not voting in the US elections but an observer of US politics because the US government’s actions have had a large effect on his life as a peacekeeper and worker with NGO’s in Iraq and elsewhere in the Middle East
Here’s a little hint for you. Do some fact checking before writing contrafactual crap. As is very well known here cwaltz I wouldn’t vote Democratic even if I could. But please, do carry on with your loser tantrum it’ll help lower your blood pressure and provide the rest of us with a mildly entertaining speactacle.
As to what happens to your country for the next four years, well to coin a phrase “a people gets the government it deserves”.
mfi
Politics BC as a very successful practitioner of the art once explained is “the art of the possible”. The “greens” as they currently are in the USA are nothing more nor less than exercise in dilettantism.
mfi
From where I’m sitting he’s a pom pom waving jackass. I guess I can take solace in the fact that he can’t vote though.
Sing another round of “We are the Champions” markfromireland. I’m pretty sure that the pragmatic and realistic solution to US foreign policy is singing louder, not actually working to create a party that offers an alternative to spending more money on guns and bombs then the next 10 countries underneath it.
Can’t and wouldn’t want to qualify for it either. Living and working in Irak as I do I already know what third world petro states are like to live in. You don’t, not yet, but you’re well on your way to finding out. Now having wasted enough time on you I’ll simply repeat that well known all-American proverb about how “a people gets the government it deserves”.
mfi
Why do you ask? Do you think that all my criticisms and suggestions are basically the fruits of negative emotional reactions?
Doing pretty good in the assuming part yourself? I spent over a decade in the US military. My spouse was attached to the Mobile Communications team that provided support for the SEALs for 5 years(where he got to go to swell places like Pakistan, Korea and Guam)
My first duty station was the Philippines. I lived there for a year and a half. While it isn’t a petro state, I feel pretty confident that it qualifies as third world thankyouverymuch.
Trying to pretend that your living conditions in the Philippines remotely approached the poverty of the majority of the population is not only a remarkably stupid lie but is also truly contemptible.
As to your “service” allow me to congratulate you and your spouse on spending ten years helping your ruling class drag your country and its people into the gutter. EOD.
mfi
Yeah I totally kept my eyes closed for the year and a half I was there and never spoke to the people who lived there. Thanks for your interpretation of the black and white world of markfromireland where you can live somewhere without having the remotest idea about the culture for extended lengths of time.
I joined the military because I didn’t have the luxury of being picky. My father was in jail and my family was reliant on a food pantry. My options were either work fast food or join the military. During my time in the US government trained me to be an ambulance attendant and trained me to be a pharmacy technician, who knew that “dragging people into the gutter was even remotely part of what I learned.”
If this is what you consider dialogue I’d just as soon be done with it too. Where I come from dialogue is considered an exchange of ideas and it’s pretty apparent that you think you have all the answers and that anyone who thinks differently from you is a moron, so let me offer you a great big whatever dude.
Plus, rather than using the dollars per vote number, we need to look at this simple fact: Jill Stein had $450,000, compared to Obama’s $1 billion.
Thank you for the post, normanb, and whoosh to the powerful video you created.
Rec’d.
Seems like the reactions are negative so I’m just asking.
Thank you for your encouraging words and song, juliana.
Nice to hear from you. I had lots of help on the video: I wrote the poem, and recorded them with my friend Rob Connelly. He then added all the music after he had my voice recorded.
That was around 2003 or 2004. Then my partner Rachel made the video, in 2009 or very early 2010: As soon as we knew about the drones and had time to react.
Added the music later; baffling to me, but cool. Save this for later, maybe.
Stay strong and healthy, normanb.
Thank you for sharing so much of your history, cwaltz, and hanging in there with mfi. I confess it’s a hard gig more often than not.
Great numbers, tomallen.
Here’s some more:
In Florida, the quintessential (if not this year) kingmaker
Number of votes separating Obummer and Rhmoney
51,938
Gary Johnson 44,010
If Johnson had not been on ballot and his votes went to Romney (as in polls was the case)
then O – R = 7,928
Jill Stein in Florida: 8,784
So, hypothetically, Stein could have cost Obummer Florida, if Rethugs had succeeded in keeping Johnson off the ballot.
Main point – percentages are misleading. As long as Electoral College prevails, the presence of third parties in swing states can affect outcomes. In fact, as the third party anti – uniparty movement takes fire the Electoral College may be it’s best friend.
Not necessary to have national impact which would be much more difficult. In fact, that was Obama’s winning strategy – for instance, O’s share of the youth vote nationally went down from 66% to 59%. Except in the swing states: Florida 67% 2012 vs. 61% 2008. Etc.
Interesting and ironic, how a peacekeeper can inhabit the same body as a scathing, corrosive, arrogant, and mean spirited human being.
X2
I like Jill Stein’s personality. I think she’s cute, actually, and I have no problem with a cute President.
I like a lot of the Green agenda, but not all. E.g., “global warming” (nowadays called “climate change”, a truly non-informative phrase, though it certainly works well as a propaganda meme), understood as an impending catastrophe due to anthropogenic CO2 emissions, doesn’t fit with the facts.
It’s my belief – and has been for, like, always – that the greatest clear and present danger to human dignity and independence are the plutocrats and their Mandarins. Not, e.g., Greens who have no comprehension of how corrupt and/or tribalistic science can be, nor how they sacrifice the truth by listening only to those that have a strong ideological or career stake in propagating exaggerations.
Stein and other Greens, if they’re true to their word, would challenge the plutocrats. That makes them worth paying attention to. However, I’m not seeing the sort of strategic thinking out of them that will allow them to challenge the plutocrats.
I’m not looking to join a tribe, or extended family, so I’m not really concerned about “liking” or not “liking” a tribe/party. What I want to see is success.
Look, if you’re a NY Knicks fan, and you know your team is loaded with talent, but they consistently underperform, do you want them to hire a brilliant coach, or a really nice guy who just can’t general a team? Yes, charisma counts for something, but if you look at Lyndon Johnson, both Bushes, and Richard Nixon, “charisma” is not the first thought that pops into your mind. Neither is “liking”, though Bush Jr. was said to be a guy that you could have a beer with.
Seconded. Your very kind, wendydavis. Namaste.
And to you. peony. Nice comment reminding mfi about the need for civility, not relying on being a ‘peacekeeper’. Thank you. I cannae care for the two-tiered justice here.
Or alternatively how a peacekeeper cannot damn about the feelings of people who are a major part of the problem and are determined never to be part of the solution.
Tell me dearest peony, How to give just one example, do you feel about a so-called “peace activist” who shill’s out Eric Prince’s talking points about how his mercenary scum in Fallujah were just “guards” and then throws a major tantrum when I politely point out that that’s a load of lying rubbish?
It would be funny if weren’t so pathetic that the overwhelming majority of American so-called “progressives” and “left wingers” spend so much time in ever decreasingly effective activism.
I hope you enjoy being a modern day serf peony because that’s were you and the overwhelming majority of your fellow Americans are headed. But then as I’ve already remarked it’s a truism of American life that “a people gets the government it deserves”.
mfi
I’m not even remotely interested in dialogue with you or with any of your fellow enablers. As you yourself admit, you had a choice.
mfi
I also prefer “Global Warming” as a more accurate term than the non-specific “Climate Change.”
Jill Stein speaks the truth about climate science. President Obama, on the other hand, doesn’t. He has sometimes listed climate facts to trick people into voting for him, but in all the speeches of his that I’ve read (lots of them over six years), he lies about climate science, and says things that contradict the science, but help make profits for polluters.
If anyone does know of an example of President Obama telling the truth about climate science, I’m looking for it.
Yep, and you have a choice too.
I have no interest in dialoguing with someone who thinks he sits on a pedestal and feels its his job to spit on anyone who chooses to think differently then he does.
Feel free to choose between kissing my backside or ignoring me.
My life won’t be any less for losing the opportunity to dialogue with some narrow minded putz who thinks that he knows better. I’d hazard that you aren’t nearly as wonderful as you think you are.
In the big scheme of things mfromi doesn’t bother me. I basically responded to him because I believe that bullies should be confronted(another gift from my childhood I guess).
I’m not going to sit by and let him demean people because he feels their choice was a ridiculous one.
In the scale of horrible things that I’ve seen in my lifetime mfromi registers the importance of a fly. Barely worth the time.
Heh, yeah voting is so passe’. And I’m sure it took nothing at all to get Jill Stein on the ballot to begin with because unlike Barack Obama she couldn’t automatically qualify for each state. No activism at all involved there. But hey whatever, rah,rah you’re superior and know everything about everyone, you have all the answers, blah blah blah more blather so that mfromi can feel all warm and fuzzy about himself. Now feel free to go away and let us get back to celebrating our worthless contribution to American democracy(rolling eyes.)
dearest Mark, so you don’t care about the feelings of certain people. Okay. But it’s apparent that you care deeply about the problem and are frustrated and angry about our inability to deal with it effectively right now. I agree, it’s probably going to take things getting much worse in this country to get the kind of action you’re looking for. I know you mocked us for voting for Jill Stein. I voted for her as an act of repudiation of everything the two parties stand for. So what, you say? Okay, but change is going to come. We’re not in a predominantly non-violent zeitgeist like the 90s, but like the 1960s and the 1790s. I think there’s going to be a whole lot of pain in the process, but it will come. Something new is always weak at the beginning. The child or the new for the senex is just something to be eaten, and we’re seeing a lot of that on these threads.
If I were in your position, I would be angry too. I saw a film of small children wandering through the rubble of what used to be the streets of the city, their parents probably dead. I grew up without my parents so those images hit home.
Are you getting enough hours of electricity? What about clean water and food? What about jobs?