SouthernDragon left us peacefully this morning at about 4:19
Rest well, Ten Spears
Shit. RIP my friend
Cherokee Morning Song
Oh no. So Sad. I am so sorry.
Peace, brother. You will be missed.
And for folks who remember him, commenter Raven mourns for our old friend as well. Again RIP to a peace loving man
I’m so sorry.
Thank you for telling us Om.
I want to extend my sympathies to all of his friends, two legged and four legged.
RIP, sweet, dear DragonMan. Your endearing grace and heart remains.
Never. Give. Up.
Thanks so much, Omi,
Echoing every RIP, SD.
Rest in peace, SouthernDragon.
Walk your next journey in beauty, SD, as you did in this one.
My heart goes out to you, OmAli; I know what dear friends you were. He did it right, didn’t he?
SD, you will be sorely missed. Good night, my brother.
We are a very spread out family here at the lake, but we feel every pup that leaves us.
Namaste SD !
There will be a donation at the local animal shelter in SD’s name. I suppose that’s the best way to honor his memory.
Love you SD. I always think of you when I see my cat, and how loving you were to your critters. What a stand-up strong voice you were.
Thanks for letting us know OmAli. We love him and will miss him dearly.
My heart truely aches. I am speechless. Too soon, much too soon.
So sad to hear this, SD was a bright light, and he will be sorely missed.
Peace to you SouthernDragon.
Ave atque vale, SD. You were and are a great teacher.
I can think of no better way to honor you right now than to reel off some of the links you gave to us:
Thank you for sharing your life with us, SD.
So very sad. Words are of little comfort. Namaste, SD, your spirit will be with us.
I am so sad.
I believe this is the website for St. Pete for Peace, a group he protested with.
A brother in arms. The world is poorer today. Rest, brother, and find true peace now.
Rest in peace friend. You will be remembered and missed. (((SD)))
SouthernDragon gave a great deal of himself to this community. We all benefited.
It would be nice if we could do something here that would honor what he has done for this community.
Thank you, Om Ali.
Thank you, Southern Dragon, for everything that you shared, for all that you cared about, for the example of conscious loving spirit, which you will always remain.
You live in our hearts.
I think a fundraising drive for St. Pete’s for Peace would be apropos. Or was there an animal shelter or rescue foundation in his area that he favored?
I agree oldgold.
SD taught me so much.
A loss to FDL & the world. :(
Godspeed, SD! Thanks for sharing your spirit and your music.
Thank you for your love, your heart, your spirit RIP
goodbye catman. thank you for all the caturdays.
Very sad moment, but his spirit lives on joyously in all of us lucky enough to have encountered his wisdom. Rest in peace, Southern Dragon.
I was so much hoping his absence was temporary but reality chimed in to remind us our presence is what is fleeting.
You will be sorely missed Southern Dragon.
I never met you SD but my heart is broken.
No war but class war
Be good to yourselves, and all other living things
Taken from SD’s last comment on October 5th.
No war but class war
Be good to yourselves, and all other living things
Never. Give. Up.
He was a wise dude.
Rest well, Southern Dragon.
How did we do that at the same time?
Did he touch our shoulders?
SD would serve you a beverage of your choice at the Diner for
your comments, demi and Kris.
OmAli, thank you for giving us the news and Dakine01, I saw your post on the thread that gave us OmAli’s information. Thank you both so very much.
Rest in Peace SouthernDragon, you were an inspiration to so many of us here at the lake. You will be missed.
Like Boxturtle, i have tears in my eyes as I write this.
Where to start? First, through our grief lets remember the throngs of loved pets that clamored to meet SD at the Rainbow Bridge this morning. We are grieving, but there is a very happy reunion for SD and his loved ones there at the Bridge.
SD touched my life profoundly. At Caturday, I felt welcomed into a community of gentleness and compassion, I am a better person for it. At the same time SD’s wisdom and guidance through Marxian theory created in me a compassionate revolutionary.
I already miss SouthernDragon. I grieve deeply for losing him. I will continue to study and learn and scritch my cats and work for change like he did. And I will Never. Give. Up.
Peace, Dragonman. Peace.
Was it Einstein that first proposed that energy is never lost, but transferred? SD lives in all of us here at the ‘lake.
Thanks SD for accepting me into your community I will miss your words of wisdom.
Namaste my friend
Son of a bitch! That sucks!
I have a picture of him standing stoically on the side of a street with a sign protesting the War on Iraq that reads, “How many more?”. I look at it periodically to gain a little resolve from the look on his face.
“Never. Give. Up.” In-fucking-deed.
Om, do we know what’s happening with the kittehs? If there is any way–can’t imagine how– I feel the need to adopt one, Nagi. I don’t know how I could do it, but…
Rest in peace, dear SouthernDragon, and t h a n k y o u. (((SD)))
Never. Give. Up
Fair weather and following seas, SD.
Good bye Richard. Rest peacefully. Namaste old friend and thak you for all you gave to me and our community.
Thank you Om, for bearing this extraordinary burden.
Dakine, please pass on our best wishes to Raven. Hope he is well!
oh no! Thank you for letting us know, OmAli. my work/family schedule didn’t often allow me to comment during Diner hours, but i always read his posts later. Wisdom, compassion, good links.
The belief of some of my friends comes to mind, that a great storm marks the passing of a great soul. my logical mind says, “coincidence!” but my heart says a great soul has passed beyond this mortal coil.
“… any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankinde; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee..”
— Donne, Meditation XVII
With the tragic passing of SD we have lost not just a man, a good friend, and a fellow seeker of truth through justice, but both our world and lives are a bit lonelier, a bit less complete, and each of us is not quite the person we were before.
A small part of us is missing and the pain and sadness of this loss will follow us all the days of our lives.
Goodbye SD, and peace be unto you.
He will be sorely missed by those who knew him.
Requiem aeternam dona ei, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat ei. Requiescat in pace. Amen.
what an imense loss for the planet……..just terrible
yes that im sure he will approve of
if you need help with the expenses getting him,let me know,shaggydogfarms inc,non profit corp.shaggydogfarms at g mail dot com
tough morning one of my 8 week rescue babies didnt wake up this morn,RIP Flossy
Maybe this Morton Lauredsen, Lux Aeterna, will help us process this sad news.
Thanks, sadly. If it comes to the point where it’s possible, I will contact you.
RIP, SD. I was thinking just yesterday that you probably were making the absolute most of these last moments, in your inimitable sacred way.
Namaste to all his kitties and friends.
SD, I will make a donation in your name to this Port Townsend, WA no kill shelter. The foster kittehs appreciate all you’ve done for their birthers and sisters.
What a loss. There are not enough sweet and gentle souls on the earth as it is, and we are now one less.
Travel well, SD. Thank you for setting a fine example of graciousness for the rest of us.
i just had to log in to say how many beautiful tributes this morning from all of the friends of SD.
I was moved especially by yours doremus35.
Not to diminish any of the others, yours just touched a special note for me.
I had logged out after commenting earlier, but found myself drawn back to this thread. It is such a sad day for the community.
So sad. RIP, dear SD.
So sorry to hear this.
Please accept our condolences.
Rest in Peace, SD.
Thank you OmAli for letting us know about the passing on of the mighty and much loved SouthernDragon.
From an affectionate lurker,
RIP, SD. :(
The worst news.
I want to just shout “No! No!” but instead, will say
Namaste, my friend.
I feel I knew him for years, though it was only four or five..lost count.
Opened the laptop with a terrible feeling, confirmed.
I add my tears to those already pouring forth.
His memory is now OUR legacy to carry forward, and keep his smiles in our hearts.
Bless ya, hoss, you were one of the special ones.
Tell Karl he was right all along, SD.
Yes, I love that Jane’s post has the photo of him from one of those demonstrations.
He did love the Big Cat Rescue, and one’s own local no-kill shelter would be a good place for a donation, too.
Or adopt an older cat who has lost her person, as he did so often, if you are able.
But first, before I do any of the above, I want to be sure that Richard’s cats are cared for. I have been worrying about them almost as much as about him, since the direction of his illness became more clear. I would be willing to go to his place and help with kitteh adoptions, if I can manage the time and money (but I would be very motivated to figure it out).
He helped me so much when my beloved cat(s) died suddenly, I feel I owe it to him to do whatever I can for his cats. Assuming he hasn’t already arranged something good, which he well may have.
Once I know they are taken care of, I’ll pick one of the above for a memorial donation. It’s the least I can do to repay the good advice and strong shoulder he offered me.
Hey teja. I’m worried about the kittehs too. Sadlyyes above offered to help with finances through her non profit when I expressed interest in adopting Nagi. Perhaps she could help? I too feel the need to be sure the kittehs are rehomed.
ready to help…..shaggydogfarms at g mail .com,makes me feel less helpless
Thank you for your kind thoughts.
I did not know SD; we never commented back and forth here; I really don’t know if we would have been friends and agreed on all topics; but, when I wrote my comment, then as now, there are tears in my eyes, and I realize that I did not have to personally know SD to feel the pain and loss of a very respected and beloved fellow human being.
May your days be filled with love and may the gift of life be a blessing to you and those you hold dear.
ysp, sadly; I suspect he will have made arrangements, but in case he wasn’t able to line up homes for all of them, let’s try to follow up if we can. I believe OmAli said Richard’s brother was on his way from his home farther north, but may not arrive until tomorrow due to the storm. Likely he will be heir and the one to contact if we can.
Yes, of course, Nagi. How often did Richard mention to you that “your buddy, Nagi” was up to this or that mischief. It’s Nagi who goes to sit on top of the kitchen cupboards, isn’t it?
I went to re-read some Caturdays yesterday, but didn’t find them. I’m sure they’re here, just didn’t have time to retry; read his last few posts instead. Made me cry then, last night.
We’ll find out about the kittehs. We will not.give.up. Right?
We will Never. Give. Up.
We used to frequent the same concert venues in Tampa Bay, but I don’t know if I ever met him, except here at FDL. I love the cat idea and the marxist teaching too. Peace.
Remember saying/linking this? from 10/8/12, first post about Richard’s illness: Nosy Caturfolk
rats…link didn’t go where I expected. Let me try a direct link (so we can smile a little)
There. but yellowsnapdragon posted it.
I’m so sorry to hear we have lost a good warrior and a good man. Rest in peace.
thank you omali for being our go-between with richard during these past difficult weeks. thank you for all you have done for him and for us. it had to have been so difficult for you to bear this burden and then come tell us the sad sad news. thank you.
i had hoped, as so many did, that richard would be rejoining us. rest in peace richard
Thanks for all the kind and comforting thoughts; Ive just come in and am sadly sick. SD one maybe the first person I really “knew” around here. And then among all his wisdom, he also gave me kind and helpful guidance when the lovely Angela was sick and comforted me with the Bridge that calls us into a future of love and the pleasure all that cat company among us. What to say….I have missed him terribly already. The Dragon is dead; Long live the Dragon. And he will. Peace, dear ones. He truly made the lake and our lives better.
Hi, Bev. Amazing how many of us he comforted, isn’t it? And taught, and persuaded, and changed merely by example. The sad we have is as enormous as he was himself.
Namaste my friend and inspiration. I know you’ll be greeted with joy at the rainbow bridge.
It is amazing…Do you know what the listing is on Facebook?
Comfort to you and Margaret as well; we’ve all been around for awhile.
Hi, Peggy. What a sad day, hmm?
Bev, not sure what you mean; there’s a long string of comments on Suzanne’s page that we started yesterday and continue today.
will miss you sd
Is Suzanne’s on Facebook? I didn’t know that, but had just seen a note about Facebook and was trying to locate.
here’s my f/b page revbev
Wow, Thanks. BL
yellowsnapdragon – paging yellowsnapdragon –
are you on FB? Trying to think of a way to exchange contact info, while suspecting this thread will be one read by a very large number of people. Per our stalwart OmAli, if we can get some contact info and some trustworthy people as potential adoptees, she can give our info to Richard’s best friend and we can try to coordinate a rescue, if need be.
It seems he wasn’t crazy about the long-distance transport problems of someone like you or me, so far away, taking some of the cats, but perhaps we can find people closer.
anyway, let’s see…well, if you’re on FB we can prolly meet up at Suze’s page (that ok with you, Suze?) and then message. If not, we’ll try something else.
TO Om, When you come by….Thanks for your help, and I hope your husband is mending well. I know Richard must have welcomed your help. Peace….
I don’t think the word sad is long enough or deep enough to encompass how I feel.
Thank you dear OmAli for taking the responsibility of keeping us informed. I know it costs a lot to be the bearer of such bad news. Peace sweet lady.
I don’t do FB, but shoot me an email at email@example.com
…and I’ll send you my personal email.
Oh I so didn’t want to read this.
You will be missed brother. Hoping your that right now you’re enjoying a land of peace and love with all living creatures.
Though I never met you, my tears are real dear friend.
I wouldn’t have wanted it to be any other way, but it hurts so bad. I know you are all sharing the pain.
Okay. Glad you saw that.
I’ll be back later, everyone. Gotta travel tomorrow evening and Thurs., get ready tonight.
Thank you, Bev, Abu is improving and appreciates all the kind words and thoughts the pups have sent.
I dreaded turning on my cell phone after today’s jury duty, afraid of just this news. I thought I had done all of my weeping when we learned of his diagnosis, but alas…
We will miss him so much, but I don’t think he would have wanted a long and painful dying. He is at peace now, and lives in our hearts. I will contribute to any memorial fund anyone wants to collect, or will give to my local Pet Refuge in his name.
No one could have wished for a finer community of friends.
I don’t comment much, but read the Diner every morning. And then, Caturday. And remember SD from before that. I just couldn’t type before now, because I would start to cry. Tears again. The world lost a wonderful man. It feels very personal.
I would like to help relocate his kitties. About all I can do from a distance is contribute some $$ for that. I know SD had a good relationship with his vet, and I wonder if any kitties need medical care. That’s one thought anyway.
I’m not on FB, but if a plan develops where a contribution would be useful, maybe you can winkle my email addy from Suz or Eliot, and let me know.
I know SD’s spirit would be more at peace with the kitties taken care of.
“We don’t do body counts,” -General Tommy Franks
4486 US soldiers dead in Iraq
109,587 – 119,724 Iraqi Civilians
OEF casualties: 2144 US dead, 3213 ISAF dead
140,000+ Afghani Civilians
Bring them all home, now…!
Namaste, old friend, I salute ya one last time…! *g*
(((Valley Girl))). So good to know that you were hanging out in the corner booth. There was room in the Diner for us all, wasn’t there? Damn, I smiled, now I’m crying again. Thank you for your your generosity. Let’s see what develops over the next few days, and I’m certain we can find a way to connect.
Thanks. Keep me posted. I know FDL protects email addys, but given the circumstances, those behind the curtain will know it’s okay to give you mine. SD loved his critters.
With all his great, big heart.
Need to say goodnight, pupses, dears. Joys are multiplied and sorrows lightened when they are shared. Thank you all.
Mahalo, OmAli, for all your efforts…! Namaste…! *g*
So glad to hear Abu is doing better!
I had to go to work this a.m., but I was ‘feeling’ the lake and the loss all day. SouthernDragon touched so many of us with his truth and his compassion… and then another dose of truth. He will be missed. It’s also good to see some old good friends who aren’t around so often….. Popeye, Rayne, news from Raven. What a place this is and how very, very much SD contributed to it.
Goodbye Richard. Man, you have influenced a lot of people, and so much to the good.
You are already so, so, sorely missed. RIP.
Om, you take care of yourself, you’ve put in a long day. Thanks forever.
Just turned the stools up onto the counter, mopped, pumiced the grill, steam cleaned the exhaust hood. I’ll get the lights and put the keys in the usual spot. Mugs are all washed and on the shelf.
For Richard and his friends. Small solace I know.
I don’t dare try to say anything, ’cause the waterworks will start again, but thank you, thank you, thank you.
Though I rarely, if ever, commented on the Diner, I did read it everyday, in the afternoon. As I also read SD’s various comments on other threads … and tuned into Caturday when time permitted.
He left a fine trail, didn’t he? A trail of knowledge, wisdom, patience, understanding and the generosity of his sharing these?
May he walk in harmony and balance upon the trail he now treads.
Thank you, OmAli, for your efforts here. It cannot have been easy this day.
Thank you, OmAli, you are a true friend.
Ah, SouthernDragon,…I’ll miss your voice, though I rarely shared mine. I regret I didn’t say Thank You as often as I should have. I just hit recommend. Or silently thanked you for redirecting the conversation back to reality in your comments.
Never. Give. Up.
Energy continues on.
I read through the recent comments and start to cry all over again. Richard! You’ve left a hole in my heart that a locomotive couldn’t fill!
What everyone has said. My eyes are moistening again.
I tried to explain to a friend tonight how I, and so many others, could feel this loss so strongly without having met this man in person. Someone said on this thread or Jane’s that Richard was a force of nature. It came through somehow. Don’t think I’ve ever known anyone like him.
He was the first person from whom I ever heard the wish, “namaste.” it’s only recently I felt worthy to respond “namaste” myself. And my yoga teacher opens and closes our class with namaste, and asks us to consider intentions, that everyone should have among other things, an easeful life. For the last three weeks, well, you know what my intentions have been. I am glad he had an easeful death.
I lost it a little tonight at the end of yoga. Luckily the room was darkened. what an extraordinary person to bring such an outpouring of love and tears and tributes.
Namaste, Richard. Namaste.
thank you for taking care of us and bringing just the right tribute to share on this day.
He touched us all. He gave me peace of mind when my pet crossed the rainbow bridge. Peace be with you, SD, RIP my friend.
I wish we could open Richard’s Diner at FDL, sorta in his memory. Could we just have an open thread with that title every morning, a bit like Suzanne’s LLN, with no fixed topic? Everyone could contribute what’s on their minds. I would love to be there every morning to gather with my friends. I could even host sometimes, but not every morning.
What about it? Could we make it work, in Richard’s memory? I would gladly take a day, just to reopen the Diner and provide a gathering spot…
oh no … What a loss to us all.
thank you for this suggestion, msmolly. I would be so happy to participate in the Southern Dragon Memorial Diner, or SD Memorial Weekly Marx in the Morning Seminar, or whatever.
I have been thinking and thinking all day about what a loss this is to us. To my mind, the main thing that SD did for/with/to us was that he *organized* us. Into Caturday, the Diner, Rick Wolff, Marx, the Wobblies. Protesting stalwartly for peace, all these years later, and reminding us daily of the casualties. Proud Wobblie, he told us daily, no war but class war. And his salutation, “I go to swim in the capitalist cesspool”? He was an organizer and a leader, although I never realized it until he stopped doing it. And it would be a sin an a sacrilege if itwhat he organized and lead stopped because he died. (so
thank you, greenwarrior,
you know that Richard would be telling us to not mope around one bit, there’s to much work to be done, the world is to hell in a hand-basket and “JFC on a crutch, don’t forget to have a wake.”
Thank you, HotFlash. I’m going to begin a list of folks who are interested. If FDL wants to see if this will fly, we could begin as a MyFDL diary and go from there.
I can’t offer to do it every single day, but I could take one day a week. That shouldn’t be a HUGE burden on anyone.
You can email me at msmollynd AT gmail and I will start compiling a list of people who might participate.
What did they say about Joe Hill? “Don’t mourn, organize.” Similar about Howard Zinn.
Southern Dragon was not as well-known as Joe and Howard, but he organized *me* (and they did not, not their fault, but still). I think one of the best memorials we can give the Dragon-man is to *stay organized*.
I agree. Richard would probably be touched for a bit — and then IMPATIENT — with the weeping and wailing going today. I can almost hear a comment. “Geez, pups, get over it and get on with it!”
If we could do something constructive it would help us all, and preserve his memory.
PS I am probably good for one day a week; Tues is bad for me, other days OK. So, the format same? Links and such? It was a lot of work, now that I think on it from the other side, and I am amazed at his energy. Warrior, indeed!
Thank you, OmAli, for being with SD and for being our connection with him. I am so happy that he had you at the end of his days and I hope we had your back a bit as well.
And as always, great thanks to Jane for making this space and
giving us houseroom. Geez, is it rude to mention tip-jar?
Finally, anybody need email or somesuch to connect up to coordinate? I have no clue how this gets done (magic?)
Farewell for now, Southern Dragon! I can see someone furry curled up in your lap and purring away right now…
nonq – true dat.
You have put up several lovely comments today, but gotta tell ya, that one where you tidied up the Diner, that started the waterworks again for me, too. The image was so clear. Thank you.
And now, must go to bed. Suzanne told me..today is for weeping. Tomorrow we pick ourselves up and go on.
I think Richard would forgive our weakness, but yes, he would expect us to carry on. Organize! Never.give.up.
Gave you my email above. msmollynd AT gmail DOT com. This is just a germ of an idea, so it isn’t going live in the morning. I think we should collaborate on the format. Links like SD did, or just each begi with a topic — what’s on our mind that day — and see what develops. I just am beginning to feel strongly that we shouldn’t let the Diner close. Richard’s Diner or some other name that carries on the tradition of a morning gathering place.
Now I’m going to borrow a Dragon-ism and climb into my tree.
I don’t drink beer, but I discovered one I love. I’ll bring the Flying Monks beer when we’re ready for the wake.
Naming? Here’s my thought: The Southern Dragon Diner
Thanks for the lift, msmolly. Not to deter anyone’s ideas or enthusiasm, but, I have a sneaking hunch, those behind the scene here have been contemplating appropriate ideas for a morning feature. Myself, I certainly could not have failed to recognize a very dedicated and capable daily news summary happening, for some time, already.
sorry, I’m past my bedtime,… very capable person doing a daily news summary already… Maybe I’m needing that Flying Monk, gw. Niters pups.
Drinking some as we speak. Have a good night.
Agree! Fatster is da best!
Mme Jane runs this place, but I hope we can help out. SD and Scarecrow were John Henry’s, and could take the place of 12 steam hammers. We hope Scarecrow will come back but it would be very rude of us to expect him to take up his old load, at least right away.
In addition to running this here currently short-staffed lake, Mme Jane is targeting the pirates of the intertubes and may be a tad short on time these days.
Call it, firepups grow up. How can we help? Note: Money is always welcome, as it is fungible.
I haven’t read the rest of the thread yet, nonq, but I just have to say that this tribute just caught me at the core. Thank you so much for these kind words and thoughts….. I’m a left-coaster, and unlike demi I never could get up early enough to actively participate, but I read the diner thread every day….. lived and learned. Thank you for putting the diner in good shape. Gotta go cry now.
You never knew me, buddy, but you brightened my day many times. You will be missed.
May there be lots of cats wherever you are.
You’re a good friend Om.
Tj and ysd, oh my gosh, it was for sure that SD thought you were both amazing cat moms. I cannot imagine that he wouldn’t have been so happy for his kittehs to be adopted by loving, doting parents like you. He delighted in ysd’s long distance bond with Nagi :). I always loved reading the ‘your pal Nagi’ stories that he would tell ysd at Caturday.
I only brought up the idea of pups as potential adopters one time during a discussion with him, and he simply expressed his concern about them being transported over long distances. We didn’t talk about particular cats or people, just the transport concern. The bottom line though is getting them good homes, and I think that would have been the deciding factor for him, in the end.
It would be very helpful, I think, to give the caretakers as many good options as we can. They may know better Richard’s feelings about placement and will see the overall picture of options. I am so pleased to know that you and ysd are interested.
Thank you. He had so many, as we are seeing here. I’m so glad to count you as one. Good to see your fonts, nwbn.
Shoot an email to Jane or Scarecrow. I’m sure that would be their call, and neither is probably lurking in this thread any longer. I was thinking the same thing yesterday. We shouldn’t stop the Diner just because we’ve lost its proprietor.
Southern Dragon’s Caturday gave many moments of joy to my husband and me. May he rest in peace.
im happy to help in any way,the disposition,of the furry children.
let me know,shaggy dog farms at g mail dot com
“give the caretakers as many options as we can.”
Spot on. No question, good homes without traumatic transportation would be the best option, especially for the old’uns. Just let whoever has the task know that we’re available to help in any way we can, given that we are not on scene (I so wish I were).
And, now, a day of put-off tasks awaits. Work also distracts, right? BBL, or see you on another thread.
Oh no. I am so sorry to hear about this today.
My deepest sympathy and condolences to his family and friends.
Southern Dragon will be sincerely missed here at FDL.
om shanti om peace peace peace
I really would like to extend this note. It’s a good place for checking in and catching up. I hope Om will update us about her and her family. I feel the spirit of SD more when we are sharing our memories. I know we all grieve in our own way….I just like knowing most of us are still around. B
And it’s All Saints Day, which in some churches is a very special day of memory. When I lived in New Orleans, it was a city holiday when families took a picnic lunch and would go to the cemeteries. You could see them with lunch and flowers walking almost anywhere in the city. Affirming life and death.
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